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screen quality

Is there a reason the screen looks so bad in certain apps. I have used facebook, ebay, and other shopping apps and the images displayed look very bad, so bad that I want to get rid of the pro 8.4. I returned the 12.2 because I thought it was stretching the images and that was why the images were the way they were, but I have the same issue with the 8.4. I bought both at the same time. Why do the images not look crisp, it has plenty of resolution to output nice images. My ipad mini is far superior to this tablet so far in terms of image quality. I'm considering returning this one too and giving up on android tablets all together.

Anyone?
Open facebook on a ipad,, then open it on the pro...any difference, significant.
Open ebay on a ipad, then open it on the pro...any difference, significant.
Why?
Yet, on my phone, note 2, all looks great.

Not certain, and I don't have my 8.4 with me at the moment.
But my guess is that the Android Facebook, eBay apps you refer to are at a lower resolution than the iPad version. If the app is at a lower resolution, it doesn't matter what res the screen is. Like when you watch a standard definition TV program on an HD television, it looks like crap. On the Note 2, this will look fine as the pixel density is much lower. On the iPad, its easier for app developers to tailor the apps for the screen resolution, since there are only a few different iPad screen resolutions.
So if this is true, its not the fault of the device. Part of the issue may be the Android hardware "fragmentation" that is so often complained about. Or just the laziness on part of the app developers. The apps will probably be updated to a higher resolution, as resolution for Android devices increases across the board. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
There are lots of pros and cons to being on iPad versus Android. And some of those differenes are going to be more or less relevant to you as an individual. I'd weight the benefits in their entirety (as they apply to you), not just screen resolution on a few isolated apps. If iPad is better for you looking at the big picture, then by all means go that route. But otherwise, stick with Android.

Excellent point. Thank u.
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Another reason some images might look bad is because the tablet is such high resolution and has such a good quality display you can notice more JPEG compression on images and other minor defects in webpages ..etc since thats what high quality displays are supposed to do, reveal as much detail as possible, as other displays / might blur or distort the image because of the lower resolution / poor LCD density or add dithering, not to mention some displays aren't SRGB and might make the display more blue or over saturate while they might look better the colors are usually wrong.
I personally own the ipad mini retina model and I find the Samsung tab pro 8.4 has a better display, though the ipad is nice too from a visual standpoint, I don't use facebook but the ebay app, I don't see anything wrong with it they look the same on both the ipad and samsung except the samsung shows more content as it's a widescreen tablet (16:10) where the Ipad is 4:3 (square).
for example
Ipad mini retina (specs of my ipad)
2048 x 1536 = (4:3 QXGA)
Samsung tab pro 8.4
1600 x 2560 = (16:10 WQXGA )
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vector_Video_Standards2.svg
^ see here for more details of resolution, WQXGA has about 2 inches of more rendering space then QXGA
Use whatever brings you joy though, they are both great devices I think the apple web browser is much more responsive on certain HTML 5 elements and the Samsung is great for everything else videos, music, tweaking ...etc

Why 1080p? Why not 1440p?

Title. Thinking of buying the phone but I was wondering why run 1080p at normal usage when they can do 1440p? Don't they the same aspect ratio? Does any of you think it's possible to sort of change the normal screen resolution to 1440p?

LeParkour012 said:
Title. Thinking of buying the phone but I was wondering why run 1080p at normal usage when they can do 1440p? Don't they the same aspect ratio? Does any of you think it's possible to sort of change the normal screen resolution to 1440p?
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My guess would be performance and it may be easier for the upscaler if it's a 2:1 ratio

The Nexus 6p has no problems running 1440p on a s810 snap dragon, bench mark tests beats the Sony Z5P consistently.

Mostly because it makes no difference in the user experience, but makes the SoC constantly process a lot more pixels which would contribute to the heating issues and shorten battery life.
This 4K thing is purely for brag, and Sony knows it. Wait until mobile VR grows bigger and there will be all kinds of resolution mods then, when it matters.
For now, even if you got short hands and the phone screen is ~20cm from your eyes, you cant tell the difference with a 20/20 vision.( tested )

You Tasted GearVR... Don't you want that 4k Screen???

Alright guys, here's the deal. The Note 7 was an awesome phone, i had to give it back, not cool, etc...
But now that I've seen what GearVR is, and more importantly, what it COULD be with a 4k Resolution, (without the screen-door effect), a Non-4k Note is a deal breaker for me.
If Samsung doesn't deliver 4k, I will get the next phone with a 4k Screen, (not the old Sony one but a new one which supports Daydream).
What's your take on this?

It's also got to be able to do VR without going nuclear. It's hot enough in those goggles without the phone feeling like the surface of the sun.
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It's also got to be able to do VR without going nuclear. It's hot enough in those goggles without the phone feeling like the surface of the sun.
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Yeah I would agree. Actually made me sick.
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considering none of the VR headsets even matched the res of the Note I don't see 4k as being needed, the problem came from the low refresh rate of the screen as it is far more important.
if you want a better VR experience you should be asking for at least a 90hz screen (matching the dedicated headsets) or higher. also the higher the res the lower the frame rate and the lower the refresh rate will be to compensate for the lower frame rates leading to far more tearing and the same horrid lined effect the note had in the gearVR.
so yep had a taste of VR but on phones it is largely hampered by screens designed to save battery life, increasing screen res is just the go to assumption most people make, when the dedicated head sets run at a lower screen res but higher refresh rate giving better quality.

Belimawr said:
considering none of the VR headsets even matched the res of the Note I don't see 4k as being needed, the problem came from the low refresh rate of the screen as it is far more important.
if you want a better VR experience you should be asking for at least a 90hz screen (matching the dedicated headsets) or higher. also the higher the res the lower the frame rate and the lower the refresh rate will be to compensate for the lower frame rates leading to far more tearing and the same horrid lined effect the note had in the gearVR.
so yep had a taste of VR but on phones it is largely hampered by screens designed to save battery life, increasing screen res is just the go to assumption most people make, when the dedicated head sets run at a lower screen res but higher refresh rate giving better quality.
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What are you talking about? You know the lens on the gear VR is just a lens right? There is no "resolution" to speak of. A 4k screen on a smartphone would definitely improve viewing on the gear vr. 2x in fact.

Oyeve said:
What are you talking about? You know the lens on the gear VR is just a lens right? There is no "resolution" to speak of. A 4k screen on a smartphone would definitely improve viewing on the gear vr. 2x in fact.
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Completely agree. 2k is simply not enough. 4k is not enough either, but it would be a bit better. I think we are really going to need about 4k per eye in order for it to become truly fantastic. Maybe 8k per eye. So we are talking something like 7680x4320 or even 15360x4320. I doubt that smartphones are going to be the vehicle to deliver this in future.
But for now, 4k would be nice.

the dedicated and phone headsets are identical in principle, they both place OLED screens and the gubbings behind a lense, the only difference is in a dedicated headset you can't remove the screen and other bits.
however the Oculus Rift and Vive both have better picture quality than the phone alternatives, both are only running 2 screens that give a combined screen res similar to a 1080 screen, the difference comes in the refresh rate, the Rift and Vive both run at 90hz+ meaning they can push out smoother images and have less chance of having artifacting and interlacing problems, something the phones have by the bucket load, move fast with a phone and you will see lines miss match all over the image, going to 4K or above wouldn't fix this problem if anything it would be likely to make it worse as there is less chance you would even achieve 60fps leading to even more stutter and artifacting, the 90fps+ of the dedicated headsets still isn't perfect but it's a million times better on smoothness and artifacting, this is because if you want a better picture in VR frame rate and refresh rates are far more important than the screen res as even under a lense the PPI on the likes of the Pixel and Note 7 is still that high it is of little consequence, it's the reason the dedicated headsets went with a lower screen res in favour of refresh rates.

nomailx said:
Alright guys, here's the deal. The Note 7 was an awesome phone, i had to give it back, not cool, etc...
But now that I've seen what GearVR is, and more importantly, what it COULD be with a 4k Resolution, (without the screen-door effect), a Non-4k Note is a deal breaker for me.
If Samsung doesn't deliver 4k, I will get the next phone with a 4k Screen, (not the old Sony one but a new one which supports Daydream).
What's your take on this?
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I honestly hope it is years before they even think about a 4K screen. Our processors can barely push 2K at this point and battery life is pretty terrible currently compared to 1080p phones such as the iPhone 7. It's not worth it for such a niche feature. I mean, the Rift and Vive are not even at that resolution because desktop PCs can barely push it.

Belimawr said:
the dedicated and phone headsets are identical in principle, they both place OLED screens and the gubbings behind a lense, the only difference is in a dedicated headset you can't remove the screen and other bits.
however the Oculus Rift and Vive both have better picture quality than the phone alternatives, both are only running 2 screens that give a combined screen res similar to a 1080 screen, the difference comes in the refresh rate, the Rift and Vive both run at 90hz+ meaning they can push out smoother images and have less chance of having artifacting and interlacing problems, something the phones have by the bucket load, move fast with a phone and you will see lines miss match all over the image, going to 4K or above wouldn't fix this problem if anything it would be likely to make it worse as there is less chance you would even achieve 60fps leading to even more stutter and artifacting, the 90fps+ of the dedicated headsets still isn't perfect but it's a million times better on smoothness and artifacting, this is because if you want a better picture in VR frame rate and refresh rates are far more important than the screen res as even under a lense the PPI on the likes of the Pixel and Note 7 is still that high it is of little consequence, it's the reason the dedicated headsets went with a lower screen res in favour of refresh rates.
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I'm sure that's all true, but in any event, with a phone with a 2k screen the pixel density is not high enough and it won't be at 4k either. With 2k each eye is getting an image something like 1,000 pixels across (the two VR windows don't use the full screen width, so less than half of 2560 each), which for a virtual image which is bigger than even the very biggest TV screens (100"+) this is not enough pixels and the image is visibly (very badly) pixellated.
I am sure refresh rate matters too, but we really need very high pixel density and fast refresh (and low latency and wide viewing angles) for what in the end will be "perfect" VR.

the HTC Vive has a better picture each eye has a screen at 1080x1200 giving a total resolution of 2160x1200.
the Note 7 has 2560x1440 meaning each eye is getting 1280x1440.
so the Note 7 is a noticeably higher screen res than the dedicated VR headsets, the dedicated headsets however give a better picture, both use OLED screens, the Note 7 has a higher screen res, but the Vive has a refresh rate of 90hz, most phones are lucky if they do 60hz quite often it is considerably lower to save on battery, so by your logic the Note 7 with it's higher screen res would be noticeably better quality than the Vive, however the Vive is noticeably better than the Note on picture quality and that is purely due to the refresh rate difference as it gives a smoother image and also stops nearly all the delacing issues the Note and other phones have despite being considerably higher screen res.

Yes. If Samsung doesn't announce Note8 soon, I might go with sony xperia new phone, whose name I still keep forgetting. To be anounced at MWC and with 4k screen.

Belimawr said:
the HTC Vive has a better picture each eye has a screen at 1080x1200 giving a total resolution of 2160x1200.
the Note 7 has 2560x1440 meaning each eye is getting 1280x1440.
so the Note 7 is a noticeably higher screen res than the dedicated VR headsets, the dedicated headsets however give a better picture, both use OLED screens, the Note 7 has a higher screen res, but the Vive has a refresh rate of 90hz, most phones are lucky if they do 60hz quite often it is considerably lower to save on battery, so by your logic the Note 7 with it's higher screen res would be noticeably better quality than the Vive, however the Vive is noticeably better than the Note on picture quality and that is purely due to the refresh rate difference as it gives a smoother image and also stops nearly all the delacing issues the Note and other phones have despite being considerably higher screen res.
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For gaming, I agree that the Note 8 with a 4k Screen won't be much Help. But I never really enjoyed VR for gaming, it's more like a "side fun activity". But to watch video content, a 4K Display Note with an 10nm processor would be more than enough to remove the screen door effect, and give the ability to watch awesome 180/360 content, and 3D movies on a huge VR theatre.
May I remind you that VR for gaming is failing generally right now. But for some shady reason VR for videos is not... (go figure... xD )
notefreak said:
Yes. If Samsung doesn't announce Note8 soon, I might go with sony xperia new phone, whose name I still keep forgetting. To be anounced at MWC and with 4k screen.
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It's the Sony Xperia Yoshino!

Clarity/resolution

The Sony Xperia XZ Premium has a crazy crisp display. Just kidding, this is automated text so who knows if this screen is any good. So, you be the judge! A higher rating indicates that it's extremely sharp and clear, and that you cannot see pixels with your naked eye.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

I do see pixels
We all do cuz of the pixel pattern...
Screen isnt as crisp as i expected in a 4k display, id say its as good as standard 1080 screen... Not even a good 1080 xD
When virtually emulated to 4k its better, its still on a 1080p level though thats how my eye sees it at least
Im only talking in terms of sharpness, i expected more details on a 4k display.
In terms of colors, brightness, id give it a superb level as it is very natural and realistic! Not like fake amoled crap, but super natural and its like looking out a window, yet i expected a sharper display concidering the 4k display

The screen is really crisp, at least through vr. When I use VR, I can see the pixels but they don't look huge like on 2k phones.

madshark2009 said:
I do see pixels
We all do cuz of the pixel pattern...
Screen isnt as crisp as i expected in a 4k display, id say its as good as standard 1080 screen... Not even a good 1080 xD
When virtually emulated to 4k its better, its still on a 1080p level though thats how my eye sees it at least
Im only talking in terms of sharpness, i expected more details on a 4k display.
In terms of colors, brightness, id give it a superb level as it is very natural and realistic! Not like fake amoled crap, but super natural and its like looking out a window, yet i expected a sharper display concidering the 4k display
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Have you ever try to change it's default resolution to 4k with 720-821 ppi density via adb command?
If you looking for "crisp", already try it and still say "isn't crisp as I expected", then i can't say anything anymore.
For my eyes, when try to change it's default res to 4k, in terms of crisp and sharp it's the top of the top of crazy display i've ever see. I've never see for real 8k display monitor yet, but I can say panel on this phone is really insane. You can directly compared with any phones in the world right now with that configuration (4k default res), and it's a champ! Yes, there 'unpleasant' bug layout for some apps because they aren't reach yet to develop on 4k native resolution. And the most important, the black recent apps fault lol. So I am not use that config for daily usage.
But if you just curious to see how the real performance of this phone screen, then that config is worth to try.
I've not said about 4k HDR content, there some example files you can download to see 'beyond the limit performance' of this phone. It's super crazy sharp and crisp with insane range of colour!
Instead, in terms of detail, i can't barely say it will fulfil your expectation, because for me it's hard to expect level of detail on small size display.

knightazura said:
Have you ever try to change it's default resolution to 4k with 720-821 ppi density via adb command?
If you looking for "crisp", already try it and still say "isn't crisp as I expected", then i can't say anything anymore.
For my eyes, when try to change it's default res to 4k, in terms of crisp and sharp it's the top of the top of crazy display i've ever see. I've never see for real 8k display monitor yet, but I can say panel on this phone is really insane. You can directly compared with any phones in the world right now with that configuration (4k default res), and it's a champ! Yes, there 'unpleasant' bug layout for some apps because they aren't reach yet to develop on 4k native resolution. And the most important, the black recent apps fault lol. So I am not use that config for daily usage.
But if you just curious to see how the real performance of this phone screen, then that config is worth to try.
I've not said about 4k HDR content, there some example files you can download to see 'beyond the limit performance' of this phone. It's super crazy sharp and crisp with insane range of colour!
Instead, in terms of detail, i can't barely say it will fulfil your expectation, because for me it's hard to expect level of detail on small size display.
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OMG finally someone on the internet sharing a same frustration as me. I wonder if there's any workaround for the black recent apps view glitch when running higher than physical resolution? It almost feels like a internal scaling issue where if I put the phone into landscape I can see partial app snapshot being visible in recent view. This is so far the only issue holding me off from using QHD or even UHD on a daily basis.

knightazura said:
Have you ever try to change it's default resolution to 4k with 720-821 ppi density via adb command?
If you looking for "crisp", already try it and still say "isn't crisp as I expected", then i can't say anything anymore.
For my eyes, when try to change it's default res to 4k, in terms of crisp and sharp it's the top of the top of crazy display i've ever see. I've never see for real 8k display monitor yet, but I can say panel on this phone is really insane. You can directly compared with any phones in the world right now with that configuration (4k default res), and it's a champ! Yes, there 'unpleasant' bug layout for some apps because they aren't reach yet to develop on 4k native resolution. And the most important, the black recent apps fault lol. So I am not use that config for daily usage.
But if you just curious to see how the real performance of this phone screen, then that config is worth to try.
I've not said about 4k HDR content, there some example files you can download to see 'beyond the limit performance' of this phone. It's super crazy sharp and crisp with insane range of colour!
Instead, in terms of detail, i can't barely say it will fulfil your expectation, because for me it's hard to expect level of detail on small size display.
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yes I can see now on 4k mod its insane but I can still see pixels, the phone sharpness look insane! but seeing pixels is kind of a draw back i mean the phone's crispness is on another level with 4k mod but why see pixels?

madshark2009 said:
yes I can see now on 4k mod its insane but I can still see pixels, the phone sharpness look insane! but seeing pixels is kind of a draw back i mean the phone's crispness is on another level with 4k mod but why see pixels?
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Hangon, keep in mind there are high density dots on the screen, these are not pixels. I'm sure these dots are from the manufacturing process of the phone.
I bet you actually can't see the pixels but are mistaking them for these dots scattered on the screen. The display, which is 3840×2160, is bellow the screen which has dots at a dpi (dots per inch) of around 200.
After a while these dots disappear

busawahk said:
Hangon, keep in mind there are high density dots on the screen, these are not pixels. I'm sure these dots are from the manufacturing process of the phone.
I bet you actually can't see the pixels but are mistaking them for these dots scattered on the screen. The display, which is 3840×2160, is bellow the screen which has dots at a dpi (dots per inch) of around 200.
After a while these dots disappear
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why would there be scattered dots on the screen in the manufacturing process?
and how do you know this?

Question 4k video worth it over 1080p?

I have been doing some video recordings today and noticed how large the 4k 60fps videos are (about twice as larger as 1080p 60fps recordings).
So I went ahead and did some 1080p recording to compare 4k and 1080p on my 4k LG CX TV.
Tbh, I didn't notice much of a difference.
So I am really wondering if 4k is even worth it considering its file size?

It mostly just depends on the camera used. I guess you used your phone to record. right? Most phones can't do 4K properly, it's just a feature they advertise. If to you 1080p looks fine, I don't see why you would bother with 4K60. Or maybe just try 4K30, in some cases it does end up looking better than 4K60.

i mean twice the size for 4X the resolution is worth it
you need to take into account the finer details and edging in 4K which will show better results.
also most smart tvs including the CX have resolution scaling and other filters to make lower res content look better on 4K panels
also dont forget thats an Oled tv thats gonna look great with whatever you pump into it

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It mostly just depends on the camera used. I guess you used your phone to record. right? Most phones can't do 4K properly, it's just a feature they advertise. If to you 1080p looks fine, I don't see why you would bother with 4K60. Or maybe just try 4K30, in some cases it does end up looking better than 4K60.
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Yes ofcourse I used the phones camera The google pixel 6 pro camera.

Izy said:
i mean twice the size for 4X the resolution is worth it
you need to take into account the finer details and edging in 4K which will show better results.
also most smart tvs including the CX have resolution scaling and other filters to make lower res content look better on 4K panels
also dont forget thats an Oled tv thats gonna look great with whatever you pump into it
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Ye but if most TV's (or small screens like our smartphones, or any 1080p screen) won't really show a difference in quality, why even bother with the bigger file size. No one will realistically notice? :S

Utini said:
Ye but if most TV's (or small screens like our smartphones, or any 1080p screen) won't really show a difference in quality, why even bother with the bigger file size. No one will realistically notice? :S
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One advantage would be that you could theoretically crop or zoom the video and still retain acceptable quality on most resolutions on screens. Just like you said, it won't make a big difference on standard FHD displays however it would be noticeable when the video is cropped or zoomed.

Utini said:
Ye but if most TV's (or small screens like our smartphones, or any 1080p screen) won't really show a difference in quality, why even bother with the bigger file size. No one will realistically notice? :S
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i mean by that logic why watch 4k and get 4k tvs in first place. why have a higher res screen.
I mean why get the pro should have got the 1080p panel 6
Theres a lot of content 4K video will shine
even 4k video downsampled to 1080p retains better details than 1080p does.
Sure on a phone screen you wont see the difference but on a tv thats 55inch or higher the gap is noticeably wider its a major difference.
There will be parts you notice also more so. take into the account if you want to focus on specific parts of a video or edit / crop edit
also your content is future proofed
open all the images in seperate tabs to see full resolution.
the latter 2 are 50% res of the original screencaps you can easily see the details are maintained scaled down
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scale down the content even more say 50% of the cropped image and its still noticeable difference

Izy said:
i mean by that logic why watch 4k and get 4k tvs in first place. why have a higher res screen.
I mean why get the pro should have got the 1080p panel 6
Theres a lot of content 4K video will shine
even 4k video downsampled to 1080p retains better details than 1080p does.
Sure on a phone screen you wont see the difference but on a tv thats 55inch or higher the gap is noticeably wider its a major difference.
There will be parts you notice also more so. take into the account if you want to focus on specific parts of a video or edit / crop edit
also your content is future proofed
open all the images in seperate tabs to see full resolution.
the latter 2 are 50% res of the original screencaps you can easily see the details are maintained scaled down
scale down the content even more say 50% of the cropped image and its still noticeable difference
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Real 4k movie content does look surely better on my 4k TV compared to a 1080p TV / content.
But that is real 4k movie material and not google pixel 6 pro 4k video content.
Are your screencaps from recordings done with the google pixel 6 pro?
Because I am talking only about the P6P recordings, not about anything recorder with smth else.

Utini said:
Real 4k movie content does look surely better on my 4k TV compared to a 1080p TV / content.
But that is real 4k movie material and not google pixel 6 pro 4k video content.
Are your screencaps from recordings done with the google pixel 6 pro?
Because I am talking only about the P6P recordings, not about anything recorder with smth else.
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no they were not but the point still stands it was just a prime example
regardless i literally did test videos of still objects in my spare room with text from a distance.
in poor lighting conditions its literally dark and the bulbs ****
literally even look at the portrait still in gallery before you even play the video you could see the text on objects was actually legible and also sharper
if you fail to even notice the difference between 1080 and 4k on your tv you may need your eyes checked.
dont forget theres literally rated seating distances for screen sizes, distant seated and also resolurion of display
the closer you are the better the fine details you see
did you stand up and look or did you sit down and look so you basically looking at like a 20inch display
Sounds like you putting the LG CX to waste
it was the exaxt same situation with people when hd 720p and 1080p came out they coudnt tell difference from sd
also people who think FHD and 4K dont make a difference are the type of people who think you can see above 60fps.
One of these is 4k downscaled the other is 1080p downscaled both also limited to poor lighting conditions

Izy said:
no they were not but the point still stands it was just a prime example
regardless i literally did test videos of still objects in my spare room with text from a distance.
in poor lighting conditions its literally dark and the bulbs ****
literally even look at the portrait still in gallery before you even play the video you could see the text on objects was actually legible and also sharper
if you fail to even notice the difference between 1080 and 4k on your tv you may need your eyes checked.
dont forget theres literally rated seating distances for screen sizes, distant seated and also resolurion of display
the closer you are the better the fine details you see
did you stand up and look or did you sit down and look so you basically looking at like a 20inch display
Sounds like you putting the LG CX to waste
it was the exaxt same situation with people when hd 720p and 1080p came out they coudnt tell difference from sd
also people who think FHD and 4K dont make a difference are the type of people who think you can see above 60fps.
One of these is 4k downscaled the other is 1080p downscaled both also limited to poor lighting conditions
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Okay, then again: This is specific to the google pixel 6 pro.
Yes there is a difference between 4k and 1080p.
Yes there is a difference between 30hz,60hz,120hz.
But it also depends on the source equipment and how it is recorded.
I can use a **** camera to record a video in 4k but it won't look any better than 1080p due the camera being so bad. And this is exactly why I am asking this in regards to the google pixel 6 pro.
How good is the camera in videos really and how big is the difference with it in 4k vs 1080p.
Thanks, I know how to setup my TV. And due to my job I have to test my eyes every year.. still getting highest results :>
But if you can see a difference in the thumbnail of your image gallery, then the placebo is really strong with you.
And again:
There is a difference between 720p,1080p, and 4k.. but:

Utini said:
Okay, then again: This is specific to the google pixel 6 pro.
Yes there is a difference between 4k and 1080p.
Yes there is a difference between 30hz,60hz,120hz.
But it also depends on the source equipment and how it is recorded.
I can use a **** camera to record a video in 4k but it won't look any better than 1080p due the camera being so bad. And this is exactly why I am asking this in regards to the google pixel 6 pro.
How good is the camera in videos really and how big is the difference with it in 4k vs 1080p.
Thanks, I know how to setup my TV. And due to my job I have to test my eyes every year.. still getting highest results :>
But if you can see a difference in the thumbnail of your image gallery, then the placebo is really strong with you.
And again:
There is a difference between 720p,1080p, and 4k.. but:
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Most people who cannot notice a difference either have reduced vision or use a small monitor. I dare everyone that can't make out a difference between 1080p and 4k source material to use a Monitor 40" or bigger. On my LG CX (48") that I use as a monitor the difference is night and day.
It should be noted, though, that the difference is rather minor when video footage has been shot by phones - their sensors are just too small to make out the minute differences, plus they can't take in enough light. If you compare professional video material shot by expensive dedicated gear in 1080p vs 2160p, the difference is HUGE, whilst smartphone camera footage isn't that "obvious".

At the end of the day it's what works for a given person. If 1080p video works then that's a great option, if 4k works then that's a great option.
If the 4k video is really only twice the size then it's because they're being more aggressive in compression. There's no magic bullet to squeeze 4x the data into 2x the space other than throwing data out.
Tangentially related - GoPro's 8/9 and probably 10 set (i.e. limit) the recorded video to 100mbs for higher resolutions. Ergo you get higher quality (less compression) with 4k24 versus 4k30 versus 4k60 because they're all recorded at the same bit rate.
The P6P may have throughput issues that limits just how fast they can write data that results in higher compression in order to reduce the file size at higher resolutions. Or it could be design choice to reduce file use since the most common ones are likely the 128gb versions.
In this case, specifically with the P6P's, the actual end result is that 1080P might be nearly as good as 4K if they're cranking the compression up and loosing the details that are the point of recording in 4k. So bottom line the OP could have a pretty solid case.
I should get mine tomorrow and the holiday coming up should make for some interesting testing.

Ultimoose said:
At the end of the day it's what works for a given person. If 1080p video works then that's a great option, if 4k works then that's a great option.
If the 4k video is really only twice the size then it's because they're being more aggressive in compression. There's no magic bullet to squeeze 4x the data into 2x the space other than throwing data out.
Tangentially related - GoPro's 8/9 and probably 10 set (i.e. limit) the recorded video to 100mbs for higher resolutions. Ergo you get higher quality (less compression) with 4k24 versus 4k30 versus 4k60 because they're all recorded at the same bit rate.
The P6P may have throughput issues that limits just how fast they can write data that results in higher compression in order to reduce the file size at higher resolutions. Or it could be design choice to reduce file use since the most common ones are likely the 128gb versions.
In this case, specifically with the P6P's, the actual end result is that 1080P might be nearly as good as 4K if they're cranking the compression up and loosing the details that are the point of recording in 4k. So bottom line the OP could have a pretty solid case.
I should get mine tomorrow and the holiday coming up should make for some interesting testing.
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1080p30 is 19.8mb/s at 1080p
4k30 is 42.8mbps
1080p60 is 24mb/s
4k60 is 62mb/s
this was at h265
4k30 h264 is only 48mb/s
4k60 h264 is only 72mb/s
h265 uses a main profile @ 6.1
h264 used a high profile
4k60h265 is only 45.2mbs on my galaxy note 9

For me, the question is do you need 60 FPS over 30 FPS? I do 4K because I want the highest resolution I can get but I do 30 FPS because I don't need that smooth look.

Izy said:
1080p30 is 19.8mb/s at 1080p
4k30 is 42.8mbps
1080p60 is 24mb/s
4k60 is 62mb/s
this was at h265
4k30 h264 is only 48mb/s
4k60 h264 is only 72mb/s
h265 uses a main profile @ 6.1
h264 used a high profile
4k60h265 is only 45.2mbs on my galaxy note 9
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That's interesting that the bitrates are on the lower, half the bitrate for 4K30 for example compared to any GP in the last few years. Is this user adjustable is a question.
I'm getting the P6P 512 with the hope that I can ditch the GP's I usually carry. I record VLOG footage during my ultra runs and I carry a phone with me regardless. One less device and its accessories to deal with would be great.
I have a selection of video recorded with my GP 8 and 9's, I can run the same run/route in the same resolution and do an apples to apples comparison of quality. It'll be interesting if nothing else to compare the stabilization quality of each. Hmm, I think I can probably mount both the phone and a GP to the same stick and get direct side by side as well. The wheels are spinning now on how best to compare the final product of each for my needs.

Ultimoose said:
That's interesting that the bitrates are on the lower, half the bitrate for 4K30 for example compared to any GP in the last few years. Is this user adjustable is a question.
I'm getting the P6P 512 with the hope that I can ditch the GP's I usually carry. I record VLOG footage during my ultra runs and I carry a phone with me regardless. One less device and its accessories to deal with would be great.
I have a selection of video recorded with my GP 8 and 9's, I can run the same run/route in the same resolution and do an apples to apples comparison of quality. It'll be interesting if nothing else to compare the stabilization quality of each. Hmm, I think I can probably mount both the phone and a GP to the same stick and get direct side by side as well. The wheels are spinning now on how best to compare the final product of each for my needs.
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could be a heavier encoding profile than standard go pros that and action cams in general usually have a large amount of motion so bitrate is needed to compensate and gopros are generally used professionally so editing etc needs that kind of headroom
my akaso v50x uses the same bitrate roughly at 4k30 as the pixel but is perfectly fine in daytime except its cheapness shows in low light performance