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I got this phone mostly because the hardware specs were top notch and my old Zenfone 2 (Z00A) had amazing CM support and even an official bootloader unlock. The ZS570KL still has yet to get so much as a root. Going from CM to the bloated, ugly stock ROM hasn't been fun and I can't wait to get something better. I've prodded ASUS for info on a bootloader unlock and they have basically just said that they can't comment on a release date, or if it's even coming at all.
Is there any active development for this phone or is it just dead?
it's active, but what you see here, is all answered questions that we ask already, so there isn't much we can do , until we get from asus. And then alert every develop out there to start making custom roms for this phone.
I think many people like myself are waiting on the bootloader unlock before buying. If they are going to release it, it better be soon. Else they risk newer phones coming out that trump the specs of this phone that ARE developer friendly. This ship had almost sailed to be honest. What are they waiting for?
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This ship had almost sailed to be honest.
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Yeah, I'm almost regretting buying it to be honest. I really expected it to be popular in the dev community especially given ASUS' history and that bootloader unlocks are already available for the non deluxe ZF3 and even the ZS550KL. The LG V20, the other phone I was heavily considering waiting for, came out almost a month after this phone already has some ROMs coming out.
This phone has amazing specs and design but is just let down so much by terrible firmware and a completely dead dev community. It's a shame.
Your absolutely correct. Such a shame that a beast of a phone goes quietly in the night. It would've been such an upgrade from my Nexus 6P.
My wild guess is that Asus will release our unlock around April-June when phones are starting to come out with the next snapdragon chipset and 6gig ram is all over the market. At that time, the qualities that make this special will be gone. I don't understand this logic at all.
I really like this phone but all the ways Asus tried to kill its success boggles my mind. The lack of an official bootloader when all their other models have one is just another nail in the coffin of an otherwise really good phone. I thought Asus had learned their lesson... guess not.
The 3 biggest reasons for failure in the dev community:
1. No Bootloader (yet)
2. Price
3. Availability
Its dumbfounding. Such a beautiful phone with amazing specs and Asus care absolutely zero about marketing this phone outside Asia. I had to buy it online because they decided not sell it in Canada. And even online the availability is limited to Taiwan only with every reseller getting it from there in short supply. I don't even think there is a north american model. Why not have faith in your brand? Asus said they didn't think the deluxe would do well in north america with all the competition so they abandoned it. They also thought the phone would not sell because its too expensive but then realized demand for it exceeded the supply and decided to increase production.
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Its dumbfounding. Such a beautiful phone with amazing specs and Asus care absolutely zero about marketing this phone outside Asia. I had to buy it online because they decided not sell it in Canada. And even online the availability is limited to Taiwan only with every reseller getting it from there in short supply. I don't even think there is a north american model. Why not have faith in your brand? Asus said they didn't think the deluxe would do well in north america with all the competition so they abandoned it. They also thought the phone would not sell because its too expensive but then realized demand for it exceeded the supply and decided to increase production.
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Seems like a surefire recipe for failure to me....
I have the SD821 versian, I had to pay through the teeth to get it then when it gets shown to others thet all want to know where to get it and how much it cost. Word of mouth is a great way to do business but the product MUST be available.
I had the subforum tab open to check up on this later, but I'm updating some software right now and noticed this post title... I still have the phone unopened in the box Amazon shipped it in. I guess this is Asus' loss releasing a phone during the only extended return period of the year. I've read a few negatives on the ZF3 Deluxe like low headphone volume and intermittent Bluetooth, but unlocking is what I want.
Since I have until the end of next month to return it to Amazon I figured I would pick up the OnePlus 3T and give it a try - free 15 day return period. I thought, what the heck - I paid more for the ZF3 so why not get the 128GB 3T? Added it to my cart and on the checkout page it gave an estimated date (was within 9 days). I wanted to see what I said the ETA would be on the 64GB model that was listed as shipping within 3 weeks and removed the 128GB model. Went to add the 128GB model back in less than a minute after checking the 64GB model...sold out and it's been like for the last 2 weeks. Talk about frustrating! I ended up ordering the 64GB model and figure I can just send it back to OnePlus when the 128GB's are back in but I'm afraid they still won't be available to order at the end of January. So here is this ZF3 D I don't think I really want. :/
jsheradin, you said the bootloader is unlocked for the other ZF3 models - any idea why not this version of the Deluxe?
If it made any sense, there would be no doubt Asus wanted the ZF3 to fail.
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jsheradin, you said the bootloader is unlocked for the other ZF3 models - any idea why not this version of the Deluxe?
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Yep, the unlock is available for everything but the 820 and 821 variants. I assume it's simply that these processors require a little more work to make an unlock utility for, but I'm just guessing at that point.
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Yep, the unlock is available for everything but the 820 and 821 variants. I assume it's simply that these processors require a little more work to make an unlock utility for, but I'm just guessing at that point.
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Actually, the Deluxe 5.5" (ZS550kl) screen has an SD820 and it has the bootloader unlock app. It's just the 5.7" ones that don't.
If I had the SD820 in the 5.7" variant I might try to unlock but I have the SD821...
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Actually, the Deluxe 5.5" (ZS550kl) screen has an SD820 and it has the bootloader unlock app. It's just the 5.7" ones that don't.
If I had the SD820 in the 5.7" variant I might try to unlock but I have the SD821...
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On Asus site it is said that the zs550kl as a Qualcomm s625 so be careful with what you write...
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Yep, the unlock is available for everything but the 820 and 821 variants. I assume it's simply that these processors require a little more work to make an unlock utility for, but I'm just guessing at that point.
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I love the phone only had it a week but so far i have had only 1 issue with the BT disconnecting from my gear S3. only reason i want to unlock is so i can use titanium backup, if there is a good back up without root please let me know.
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Actually, the Deluxe 5.5" (ZS550kl) screen has an SD820
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It does not. The ZS550KL has a single version and it is a snapdragon 625. It has the same processor as the non deluxe ZF3 (Z3520KL) which came out before the deluxes. They probably already made the unlock for the non deluxe and it required very little work to make it work for the 5.5 deluxe. The 820/821 versions did not have that luck and they likely have to make the unlock from scratch.
Hey, I agree with all on this thread. I have the Zen 2 deluxe SE with Cyangenmod and its a great phone. Purchased the Zen 3 but have yet to use it because I cannot root. I also read that Cyangenmod is no longer offering custom ROM or am I not understanding their changes? Does this mean the chances of a custom rom for Zen 3 is out? I also upgraded my wife's phone (S5) to the same Zen 3 deluxe (ZS570KL / 256gb hd / 6gb ram / 821 chip) and she hates it... calls keep dropping signal is low and it does not even say LTE. I did a speedtest comparison betwen her Zen 3 and my Zen 2 and it was faster. Hers is also disconnecting from cellular (AT&T) data and does not show 4G anymore along with no push notifications of emails.
Anyone else having these issues?
Joining in on the bandwagon to vent (really)... This was my # 1 phone to get in 2016, despite the lack of Quad HD screen (especially for the price), but Asus botched it BIG TIME! The price on the SD821 model, even more frustrating, the lack of availability, even during the holiday season, and of course, now announcing their new 2017 models, with no unlocked BLs or Root... what an opportunity missed! Would have been such a strong jab against the 3T, but they ruined it!
I bugged Asus again via email and received this response, again:
"Temporary we haven't got the accurate time the unlock tool would be released for this ZS570KL.
But we will transfer customers' wishes to the related department for further development.
Also please note that ASUS does not actually asssit with unlocking of the Android Bootloader. I must advise that you do so at your own risk, as once the boot loader is unloked it will void your warranty."
I'm just hoping there is an unofficial unlock at this point. The stock ROM seems to somehow get more buggy and slow day by day. Is anyone else having issues with the screen taking forever to turn on after using fingerprint/pressing the side button?
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I bugged Asus again via email and received this response, again:
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Hey do you mind posting your email so I can send a similar one (I'm not sure what to say ) The squeaky wheel gets the oil after all
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Hey do you mind posting your email so I can send a similar one (I'm not sure what to say ) The squeaky wheel gets the oil after all
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I used this form to submit it: https://vip.asus.com/VIP2/Services/QuestionForm/TechQuery?lang=en-us
I just said, "When can the bootloader unlock utility be expected to be released?"
They responded promptly yet disappointingly. Hopefully if enough of people ask they will finally get around to making/releasing it.
Does anybody know if there is unofficial unlock work being done?
If an unlock is ever made we just need to get someone who knows TWRP to build a recovery and ideally somebody from Lineage OS to start ROM support. I've built TWRP before for a different device and may be able to do the same for this phone but I wouldn't know where to begin to get a ROM working. I feel like no devs even know this device exists. :crying:
I just said, "When can the bootloader unlock utility be expected to be released?"
They responded promptly yet disappointingly. Hopefully if enough of people ask they will finally get around to making/releasing it.
Does anybody know if there is unofficial unlock work being done?
If an unlock is ever made we just need to get someone who knows TWRP to build a recovery and ideally somebody from Lineage OS to start ROM support. I've built TWRP before for a different device and may be able to do the same for this phone but I wouldn't know where to begin to get a ROM working. I feel like no devs even know this device exists. :crying:
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The biggest question we should all ask ourselves... "Why did ASUS build this phone in the first place if they didn't have a bootloader unlocker for it?"
So, the OP7 pro sucks a**. I am done with crap hardware just to have an open phone.
With that said, if @ChazzMatt wants to catch me up on the latest... That would be great.
If anyone wants to know how bad the OP7 pro sucks .. just ask. Luckily they are going for around 800 on eBay for the 12/256 model that I bought.
Just typing this on my US998 V30+ is soooo much nicer. Having the "all screen" on the OP7 pro is just an illusion.
-- Brian
runningnak3d said:
So, the OP7 pro sucks a**. I am done with crap hardware just to have an open phone.
With that said, if @ChazzMatt wants to catch me up on the latest... That would be great.
If anyone wants to know how bad the OP7 pro sucks .. just ask. Luckily they are going for around 800 on eBay for the 12/256 model that I bought.
Just typing this on my US998 V30+ is soooo much nicer. Having the "all screen" on the OP7 pro is just an illusion.
-- Brian
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Nice to have you back. Someone mentioned you a couple of days back and I was wondering if you'd ever come back. As soon I saw the title I hoped it'd be you. Nice to see you are here
But I am curious why OnePlus 7 pro sucks, I was considering my next phone as OnePlus phone as LG seems to be allowing unlocking only on EU variant devices(and you leaving made unlocking on other regions less likely ) and their updates are slow as ever.
So far h930eu got pie update and it was pulled back but reason was not given. It had issues like notification overlap and poor Ram management. We have rctd and disable verify working for pie.
Australian and some other 930ds as well as Korean v30 also got the update. Those weren't pulled back afaik.
Lineage OS 16 with pie blobs is work in progress. There's some RIL issue on it where sim sometimes works and sometimes doesn't but otherwise it seems a big improvement :laugh::fingers-crossed:
Edit: We also have Ceres kernel now for some time and it's amazing
Glad to have you back.
Edit 2: With pie coming A few of people bricked their phone with 9008
Good job inform him
Also I wonder what's wrong with OP7?
runningnak3d said:
So, the OP7 pro sucks a**. I am done with crap hardware just to have an open phone.
With that said, if @ChazzMatt wants to catch me up on the latest... That would be great.
If anyone wants to know how bad the OP7 pro sucks .. just ask. Luckily they are going for around 800 on eBay for the 12/256 model that I bought.
Just typing this on my US998 V30+ is soooo much nicer. Having the "all screen" on the OP7 pro is just an illusion.
-- Brian
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Nice! Would you consider the V50?
Welcome back I remember how you said goodbye to us before changing to OP7 Pro Honestly I didn't expect such a quick return but this only proves that the V30 is a great and underrated phone. In a free moment describe your problems with OP7 Pro. This will be great advice for others
I used a Pixel 3 XL for 2 weeks. I went insane. It's heavy, ugly, even darker screen than V30, half the battery life and the sound quality was abysmal. Oh and no wide angle camera was driving me insane. Also the GPS in other phones is horrible. You have to shout at Google Assistant for it to hear you lol! It's shocking how much LG nailed the hardware to this day. I returned the Pixel. It made me realize how great my V30 is and that I can go with it for at least two more years.
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So, the OP7 pro sucks a**. I am done with crap hardware just to have an open phone.
With that said, if @ChazzMatt wants to catch me up on the latest... That would be great.
If anyone wants to know how bad the OP7 pro sucks .. just ask. Luckily they are going for around 800 on eBay for the 12/256 model that I bought.
Just typing this on my US998 V30+ is soooo much nicer. Having the "all screen" on the OP7 pro is just an illusion.
-- Brian
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Well...I tried the same with Oneplus 6T...
Brought around 4 months ago.... Used it for a week... And Sold it within the same week...
Camera was pathetic....Inface totally artificial and overprocessed.
Though Oxygen OS was amazing, I would go with better cameras anytime.
Was happy after I was back to V30.
I have used a S10+ for work and daily for a week. I couldnt stand it after that. The ultra sonic reader was absolutely horrible. Beyond me why any manufacturer doesnt have both rear and display FPR. The ultra sonic is not even a good verision of the display FPR in the first place....
Software, Idk if its because Pie is truly trash or Samsung is utterly incapable of optimizing their OS and making any feature at all work just as good as other flagships or even the old V30 i.e proximity sensor/AoD, wide angle, portrait/night mode (V30 Gcam/night sight), manual focus etc. The battery life was a joke, although performance was good the phone was no where near smooth like an iphone.
In terms of design, it was a big phone, in a light compact form factor with one of the best displays. Basically similar feel to a V30. For S10+ price range and samsung being the industry lead, you would think we would see an innovative implementation of the infinity O display. But nope, no front wide angle, no ToF/infared/depth sensor, no shoulder buttons, nothing worth changing usage at all. If we look at the note 10, no new front optics/iris, right hand power button, headphone jack, SD card expansion, and rear sensor all gone. Its sad LG is losing against these imbeciles.
Anyway my ending point, it will be a tricky one upgrading from the V30 i think. OP 7 pro imo, is good but the phone is gigantic and heavy. No rear sensor, jack or SD slot. The V50 has it all but its $1k and is bootloader locked.....
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I have used a S10+ for work and daily for a week. I couldnt stand it after that. The ultra sonic reader was absolutely horrible. Beyond me why any manufacturer doesnt have both rear and display FPR. The ultra sonic is not even a good verision of the display FPR in the first place....
Software, Idk if its because Pie is truly trash or Samsung is utterly incapable of optimizing their OS and making any feature at all work just as good as other flagships or even the old V30 i.e proximity sensor/AoD, wide angle, portrait/night mode (V30 Gcam/night sight), manual focus etc. The battery life was a joke, although performance was good the phone was no where near smooth like an iphone.
In terms of design, it was a big phone, in a light compact form factor with one of the best displays. Basically similar feel to a V30. For S10+ price range and samsung being the industry lead, you would think we would see an innovative implementation of the infinity O display. But nope, no front wide angle, no ToF/infared/depth sensor, no shoulder buttons, nothing worth changing usage at all. If we look at the note 10, no new front optics/iris, right hand power button, headphone jack, SD card expansion, and rear sensor all gone. Its sad LG is losing against these imbeciles.
Anyway my ending point, it will be a tricky one upgrading from the V30 i think. OP 7 pro imo, is good but the phone is gigantic and heavy. No rear sensor, jack or SD slot. The V50 has it all but its $1k and is bootloader locked.....
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V50 is good. And it price will drop fast. And for the future, who know if it can be unlocked, like the v30 is not supposed to be unlocked for all model
runningnak3d said:
So, the OP7 pro sucks a**. I am done with crap hardware just to have an open phone.
With that said, if @ChazzMatt wants to catch me up on the latest... That would be great.
If anyone wants to know how bad the OP7 pro sucks .. just ask. Luckily they are going for around 800 on eBay for the 12/256 model that I bought.
Just typing this on my US998 V30+ is soooo much nicer. Having the "all screen" on the OP7 pro is just an illusion.
-- Brian
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Nice to have you back. Someone mentioned you a couple of days back and I was wondering if you'd ever come back. As soon I saw the title I hoped it'd be you. Nice to see you are here
So far h930eu got pie update and it was pulled back but reason was not given. It had issues like notification overlap and poor Ram management. We have rctd and disable verify working for pie.
Australian and some other 930ds as well as Korean v30 also got the update. Those weren't pulled back afaik.
Lineage OS 16 with pie blobs is work in progress. There's some RIL issue on it where sim sometimes works and sometimes doesn't but otherwise it seems a big improvement :laugh::fingers-crossed:
Edit: We also have Ceres kernel now for some time and it's amazing
Glad to have you back.
Edit 2: With pie coming A few of people bricked their phone with 9008
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@tech_infinity just about covered it all.
We have newer:
Dev Patched LGUP (by @tecknight),
rctd (by @JohnFawkes) and
disable verify (by @Zackptg5)
files which are compatible with Pie, as well as backwards compatible with Oreo. I've put the newer LGUP in relevant threads like Frankenstein, WTF Instructions and EU H930 Pie KDZ (for several people who want to DOWNGRADE from buggy Pie back to stable Oreo).
I had to re-write the Section 6 (TWRP stuff) of the WTF instructions slightly for the different order for the newer disable encryption and disable root checker files. Basically you have to flash Magisk twice. You can read a copy here, which is a standalone post in the EU H930 Pie KDZ thread.
Stable TWRP 3.2.3.7 is still recommended by our TWRP dev -- yes, even on Pie.
I have new Pie KDZ threads locked and loaded for North American variants, whenever they are released. That link is for US998, but I have all the others ready too.
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On the non-dev side, we still have people who refuse to read. This guy posted IN the WTF thread he couldn't find the instructions even though the first post of the WTF thread is a HUGE hyperlink to go to the Instructions... Several people set him straight.
Couple days later, another guy claimed the WTF Instructions were a complete mess ("rabbit holes") and said the Frankenstein Instructions not only didn't have KDZ download links, that there was "no mention" anywhere in the thread where to download needed KDZ. I called him a liar to his face and posted screenshot of Frankenstein Instructions showing KDZ download links.
He basically wanted a dedicated thread for US998 -- instead of instructions where you follow what's right for your variant. (And he didn't even need Frankenstein, as he was already on US998 with fastboot flash commands.) He also didn't quite comprehend he needed to downgrade to pre-July 2018 Oreo, even though that's said several times throughout the WTF instructions -- especially at the beginning, and also listed first in the Troubleshooting Tips. That's the WHOLE POINT of WTF bootloader unlock exploit! Plus, I had reiterated that prerequisite at least TWICE in my replies to him.
Then, a few hours later he bricked his phone trying to flash T-mobile H932 firmware onto his US998. I asked him why he did that, and posted screenshots from both WTF and Frankenstein threads showing bolded red letter warnings T-mobile H932 has different RSA encryption. He said he thought warning was only one way, not the other.
I'm not picking on the 2nd guy specifically (I'm sorry he bricked his phone) -- but both are examples of people rushing to do something and not reading. Skimming so fast they miss very important information. (How can you miss the post #1 link to the WTF instructions?)
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Anyway, WELCOME BACK!
And yes, LG nailed the hardware for the LG V30. It really was the best phone of all 2017, and with the early Oreo WTF bootloader unlock exploit it's PURE GOLD. (I still suspect someone in LG did that on purpose. So thank you to them also!)
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V50 is good. And it price will drop fast. And for the future, who know if it can be unlocked, like the v30 is not supposed to be unlocked for all model
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Yeah. But those who want to buy a phone soon and definitely want to be able to root and install custom ROMs, they can't really take that gamble.
Also LG seems be messing up a lot. India (world's 2nd largest smartphone market), they launched neither the V50 nor the G8. Even V40 costs about 600$ right now.
I was almost about to post that the important message of this thread is that Brian IS BACK, not the inferiorities of various other phones. But I see now that ChazzMatt got us back on track.
Anyways welcome back, buddy. In sorry the OP7 didn't work for you, but you've been missed! We've held the fort in your absence, with Chazz and the Devs doing the heavy lifting as usual.
H932 lafsploit is still going strong. As always a few people have problems or "misread" ( ) the instructions, and we try to get them back on track the best we can. But sometimes we just don't know the exact answer and missed your insight.
As you've seen, Pie is finally on its way, hit the Korean V300 and the European H930. LG pulled it temporarily and are now in the process of re-releasing it.
My current obsession is the fact that all Pie KDZs we've seen so far are still ARB0, which means V30 is still rootable, since we can still roll back, either for WTF or for lafsploit. We have yet to see US releases, but fingers crossed that the barn door stays open
Once again welcome back. The offer to meet and help with Windows on your PCs stands, as I'm only 10mins away.
runningnak3d said:
So, the OP7 pro sucks a**. I am done with crap hardware just to have an open phone.
With that said, if @ChazzMatt wants to catch me up on the latest... That would be great.
If anyone wants to know how bad the OP7 pro sucks .. just ask. Luckily they are going for around 800 on eBay for the 12/256 model that I bought.
Just typing this on my US998 V30+ is soooo much nicer. Having the "all screen" on the OP7 pro is just an illusion.
-- Brian
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Man, I just got the Note 9 a few weeks ago and I keep my cracked screen V30+ on hand to listen to music. The Note just can't crack it plus root is nice.
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On the non-dev side, we still have people who refuse to read. This guy posted IN the WTF thread he couldn't find the instructions even though the first post of the WTF thread is a HUGE hyperlink for the instructions. Several people set him straight.
Couple days later, another guy claimed the WTF Instructions were a complete mess ("rabbit holes") and said the Frankenstein Instructions didn't have KDZ download links. I called him a liar to his face and posted screenshot showing Frankenstein KDZ download links. He basically wanted a dedicated thread for US998, instead of instructions where you follow what's right for your variant. He also didn't quite comprehend he needed to downgrade to early Oreo, even though that's said several times throughout the WTF instructions -- especially at the beginning, and listed first in the Troubleshooting Tips... Plus, I had reiterated that prerequisite at least TWICE in my replies to him.
Then, a few hours later he bricked his phone trying to flash T-mobile H932 firmware onto his US998. I asked him why he did that, and posted screenshots from both WTF and Frankenstein threads showing bolded red letter warnings T-mobile H932 has different RSA encryption. He said he thought warning was only one way, not the other.
I'm not picking on the 2nd guy specifically (I'm sorry he bricked his phone) -- but both are examples of people rushing to do something and not reading. Skimming so fast they miss very important information. (How can you miss the post #1 link to the WTF instructions?)
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Lol what's wrong with this guy, didn't know he ended up bricking his phone :laugh:
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Lol what's wrong with this guy, didn't know he ended up bricking his phone :laugh:
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Yeah, you tried to help him too. You also told him he needed to downgrade to pre-July 2018 Oreo.
I'm sorry he bricked his phone. But everything he NEEDED to do or should NOT do, was clearly written.
Don't forget LG and Samsung have easy firehose rescues using Octoplus box to fix Qualcomm USB QLD 9008 hard bricks
Dang guys; you're really making me not want to upgrade ?
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I used a Pixel 3 XL for 2 weeks. I went insane. It's heavy, ugly, even darker screen than V30, half the battery life and the sound quality was abysmal. Oh and no wide angle camera was driving me insane. Also the GPS in other phones is horrible. You have to shout at Google Assistant for it to hear you lol! It's shocking how much LG nailed the hardware to this day. I returned the Pixel. It made me realize how great my V30 is and that I can go with it for at least two more years.
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I find this hard to believe. The pixel 3xl is basically v30 with some changes as you mentioned like have a wide angle camera and the DAC which I don't use.
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Don't forget LG and Samsung have easy firehose rescues using Octoplus box to fix Qualcomm USB QLD 9008 hard bricks
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This is reassuring, tbh. Thanks for tha info.
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I find this hard to believe. The pixel 3xl is basically v30 with some changes as you mentioned like have a wide angle camera and the DAC which I don't use.
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Different preferences for different folks. Personally, i dislike the Pixel (at least compared to the v30). I'm probably biased, but where I'm from Pixels are expensive. Moreso than LG phones after a few months (their price drops insanely fast, at least in my opinion).
Also, i was never an audiophile (I'm not one even after the v30), but i have to say my tase in audio has shifted significantly after this getting this phone (and some chifi equipment). I'm going with v30 on this, but I'm sure many people would disagree.
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I find this hard to believe. The pixel 3xl is basically v30 with some changes as you mentioned like have a wide angle camera and the DAC which I don't use.
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Yeah. If someone told me they'd give me their pixel 3xl in exchange for my v30+150$ I'd probably do it.
Seems like pixel 3xl didn't match up with what he personally wanted
Though pixel devices have been notorious for having some or the other issue soon after soon.
I'm looking into buying this phone but I like a device with a lot of rom support. Is there something I'm not aware of or is the device too new to have much development? Thanks!
No TWRP. Some ROMs supports this, and most of the Kernels does.
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I'm new to this device but from everything I gathered, the lack of ROMs doesn't really have anything to do with the 7T. It's more of a problem with Android 10. Google changed a lot of system stuff with Android 10 which makes it harder for the TWRP developers to get a custom recovery working. As far as I know, even the new Pixels don't have TWRP yet. Once devs get a working recovery going, I'm sure the ROMs will be flowing through here.
Some of the Magisk roms like xXx have worked on it. If you're looking for a full blown rom, they'll be few and far between.
I don't think we'll see much happening in TWRP until more 10 phones come out. These were among the first, and most people already had plunked down on the 7 Pro.
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I'm looking into buying this phone but I like a device with a lot of rom support. Is there something I'm not aware of or is the device too new to have much development? Thanks!
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I was really excited about this devices since i heard so much about the oneplus brand, coming from Nokias (900,920,1020), HTC (one m8), Huawei (p10),Samsungs (Note 8), Huawei (mate 10 pro) i heard so much about it and how fast the devices are etc. Ill give you my honest opinion about it, as far as development goes its starting to pick up like some other members have said there are a couple of roms out there, rooting is possible and super easy to do and there are a couple of custom kernel like blu spark and elemental X that work perfectly and gives you a great battery. Before rooting this devices i decided to give it a go without messing with it i have read and watched several reviewers that the battery wasnt that great that it would give you only five hour of SOT etc, my last device was a Mate 10 pro and that devices even tho i cant root anymore since there are no bootloader unlocking for huawei anymore was a great phone super fast an never stutter battery was perfect between 7 or 6 and a half hours. Knowing that the oneplus was "only" five i didnt really care, once I got my device and it settle it really impressed me, i was getting around 8 to 7 hours of sot with a smaller battery, that was awesome speed was great everything was going perfect till i found out that the screens on the OP7T are very faulty, more so then other screens of other phones i have owned. The OP7T greatest defect is the damn mura of greenish tint on grey backgrounds when nightmode is active on around 20-30% brightness in a dark environment. I am one of those with the issue, for me its fine i know ill get use to it but it is something that reviewers wont say or talk about, now keep in mind we are not talking about a small percentage of devices this is a big batch and it doesnt matter if you have the chine model EU model IN Model etc the are all affected, oneplus representatives know about the issues and the only thing you can do its get a replacement hoping for the best cause it might be that the replacement phone will be worse. i advice you to look into the issues read the forums and decide after that. i hoped i knew before i bought since my warranty wont cover where i live now all i can do is just make the best get use to it and just make sure next time its the first thing ill check, beside that the devices is great overall but keep that in mind. sorry for the long post.
I have a Samsung Galaxy A71, it's great and I love it but OnePlus Nord is coming out next month and it costs less than A71. Should I sell my device and get OnePlus Nord? I'll be getting more RAM, storage, 90Hz display and 5G.
Dinepada said:
I live in Peru, Oneplus nord won't come officially, but you can get it for arround 630 Usd, the A71 is arround 480 usd, also, people is almost ignoring samsung devices here, most people love xiaomi like they never before, you can get a mi note 10 lite for arround 400, with almost the same features as the samsung a71
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I'd pick the A71 over the mi note 10 lite or the nord. Samsung has been very good for the last 4 to 5 years updating their flagship phones and their A series phones.
Less than A71?? Which country do you live in?
Galaxy A71 costs 360€ hier in Holland.
One Plus Nord around 500€
I think One Nord is wayyyy beter than A71 (personal preference)
Yepi69 said:
I have a Samsung Galaxy A71, it's great and I love it but OnePlus Nord is coming out next month and it costs less than A71. Should I sell my device and get OnePlus Nord? I'll be getting more RAM, storage, 90Hz display and 5G.
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Why buying an other phone if you "love it" as you say,?
I mean, what features will the other have more (and are you going to use them! ) other than A71?
I came from a 2014 SM-G901F (galaxy S5+) and used Lineage OS on it since 2017 till last month the old microphone gave up, so now i have the A71, i think its great. Also i see developers working on Lineage for this phone already, soon it will be Official downloadable, than tou get ris of all samsung crap too.
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Why buying an other phone if you "love it" as you say,?
I mean, what features will the other have more (and are you going to use them! ) other than A71?
I came from a 2014 SM-G901F (galaxy S5+) and used Lineage OS on it since 2017 till last month the old microphone gave up, so now i have the A71, i think its great. Also i see developers working on Lineage for this phone already, soon it will be Official downloadable, than tou get ris of all samsung crap too.
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And you'll void your Knox for it, so you can kiss good bye to any insurance/warranty you might have, it's not reversible either.
I'm after performance, and I personally think OnePlus Nord will be able to give out performance more than the A71, specially with the upgraded processor.
Gregor250385 said:
Less than A71?? Which country do you live in?
Galaxy A71 costs 360€ hier in Holland.
One Plus Nord around 500€
I think One Nord is wayyyy beter than A71 (personal preference)
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A71 is 500€ in Portugal, where I live. Nord is around 420€ for the 128/8GB one and 500€ for the 256/12GB one.
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And you'll void your Knox for it, so you can kiss good bye to any insurance/warranty you might have, it's not reversible either.
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Not true. Tripping knox in europe does not kiss goodbye warranty in EU.
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Not true. Tripping knox in europe does not kiss goodbye warranty in EU.
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Elaborate. My A71 is also covered by insurance so pretty sure tripping Knox will invalidate that. Plus you'll never be able to get on full "virgin" stock because the system will know Knox has been tripped.
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Elaborate. My A71 is also covered by insurance so pretty sure tripping Knox will invalidate that. Plus you'll never be able to get on full "virgin" stock because the system will know Knox has been tripped.
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Also not true, you can download latest firmware from samsung and flash that in Odin.
And i would check the insurance if i were you.
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Also not true, you can download latest firmware from samsung and flash that in Odin.
And i would check the insurance if i were you.
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Not for what I've been reading. Certain Samsung services will no longer work once Knox is tripped, even with a full flash.
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Not for what I've been reading. Certain Samsung services will no longer work once Knox is tripped, even with a full flash.
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Thats the biggest b.s.i ever heard.
Tripping knox is just tripping it, all things still work except OTA and SAFE MAP and other Samsung pre-installed crap wich you should not use anyway...
If there is a new firmware you flash it in Odin an life goes on as normal.
Don't tell me anything else, im flashing an tripping and knox and root for myself and many other people for years on different Samsung models, never had any problem.
You must have read something of somebody not following the right steps or screwed up other way, and left with a bricked phone.
And even bricked phones don't really exist. In the right hands of somebody knowing what he is doing, all magic comes alive and you have your phone back working.
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Thats the biggest b.s.i ever heard.
Tripping knox is just tripping it, all things still work except OTA and maybe SAFE MAP and other Samsung pre-installed crap.
If there is a new firmware you flash it in Odin an life goes on as normal.
Don't tell me anything else, im flashing an tripping and knox and root for myself and many other people for years on different Samsung models, never had any problem.
You must have read something of somebody not following the right steps or screwed up other way, and left with a bricked phone.
And even bricked phones don't really exist. In the right hands of somebody knowing what he is doing, all magic comes alive and you have your phone back working.
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I'm very experienced when it comes to flashing, rooting and modding in general. I've been doing this for over 10 years so bricking isn't with me. The only thing I'm afraid is for the phone to be marked as "not legit" in the eyes of Samsung or my insurance company this denying me all kinds of warranty/replacement.
Not to mention if I DO decide to sell my device later on, the person who'll buy it will most likely use the Samsung services which won't work after Knox being tripped.
Since you already tripped yours, maybe you can give me a list of what works and what doesn't.
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I'm very experienced when it comes to flashing, rooting and modding in general. I've been doing this for over 10 years so bricking isn't with me. The only thing I'm afraid is for the phone to be marked as "not legit" in the eyes of Samsung or my insurance company this denying me all kinds of warranty/replacement.
Not to mention if I DO decide to sell my device later on, the person who'll buy it will most likely use the Samsung services which won't work after Knox being tripped.
Since you already tripped yours, maybe you can give me a list of what works and what doesn't.
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I am also very experienced when it comes to the row of things you mention, that makes it even more hilarious what you wrote before, the thing knox_thing.
Since you are very experienced in the row of things you just mentioned, im not going to put any effort in the list you want me to make, you already know that, dont you? If not, you look in the thread A71 rooting or installing Lineage, there you'll learn.
But you are going to sell it anyway, so why bother.
I leave this thread now, wishing you happy selling.
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I am also very experienced when it comes to the row of things you mention, that makes it even more hilarious what you wrote before, the thing knox_thing.
Since you are very experienced in the row of things you just mentioned, im not going to put any effort in the list you want me to make, you already know that, dont you? If not, you look in the thread A71 rooting or installing Lineage, there you'll learn.
But you are going to sell it anyway, so why bother.
I leave this thread now, wishing you happy selling.
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I'm considering it, doesn't mean I will. No need to have that kind of attitude towards me, why so defensive?
I've been modifying Samsung phones before Knox, the old flash counter thing which was easily reset. I *want" to install Lineage and then move on to a better ROM but I don't want to get back to stock and find out half the system's services don't work. So I kinda want a word from someone who already did it and can explain how it all went but don't worry, hopefully you're not the only one who has modified the A71, I can ask someone else.
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I'm considering it, doesn't mean I will. No need to have that kind of attitude towards me, why so defensive?
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you're not the only one who has modified the A71, I can ask someone else.
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Well well well everybody is bad and only Yepi is good? [emoji28]
Dude seek help.
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Well well well everybody is bad and only Yepi is good? [emoji28]
Dude seek help.
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Yup, you guessed it.
Edit: Mods, do you think you can take a look at this?
I'm noticing that the posting in this thread is becoming more and more aggressive. Everyone please calm down and only post if you've got something productive to add to the topic at hand.
No cleaning of the thread has been done this time, but that doesn't mean I won't come back and take actions if things keep escalating (suddenly I feel like a parent of small bickering children, shouting from the other room: "don't make me come in there").
Have a good day everyone.
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Yepi69 said:
I'm considering it, doesn't mean I will. No need to have that kind of attitude towards me, why so defensive?
I've been modifying Samsung phones before Knox, the old flash counter thing which was easily reset. I *want" to install Lineage and then move on to a better ROM but I don't want to get back to stock and find out half the system's services don't work. So I kinda want a word from someone who already did it and can explain how it all went but don't worry, hopefully you're not the only one who has modified the A71, I can ask someone else.
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Adttitude? Me? Defensive? lol
Im just posting on things you write. If you can't stand comment, don't post.
Once you are on lineage, you will never get the Samsung **** working again, since you tripped knox.
Stick to your plan, sell it and forget all about it or ask / search in the other threads i mentioned before.
For me, this conversation finish here today, i disable subscription so i give you my best wishes. Bye
Without a doubt Oneplus Nord is the champ
A71's cameras are better than the Nord, and it has a bigger battery. So if you're after camera quality and phone battery life the A71 wins. If you want 90 Hz and faster charging (25W vs 30W) the Nord wins. If you want a pill-shaped hole on your screen, go for the Nord, if not go Samsung. If you don't want to support China go Samsung (ended phone production in 2019), if you don't care for that go for the Nord.
The 765G and 730G chips differences are meh (My unit comes with the 730G variant with 8 GB ram) so not really an upgrade in real life and even gaming.
In the end, it's up to what your priorities are. Choose what makes you happy.
I live in Peru, Oneplus nord won't come officially, but you can get it for arround 630 Usd, the A71 is arround 480 usd, also, people is almost ignoring samsung devices here, most people love xiaomi like they never before, you can get a mi note 10 lite for arround 400, with almost the same features as the samsung a71
Nord doesn't have a dedicated MicroSD slot. To me, that alone makes the A71 the winner. There is also the atrocious OnePlus (lack of) warranty, the OxygenOS bugs and whatnot. You need to root for call record on OnePlus too. It's just all kinda meh. If it'd be at least on par with the A71 (microSD slot), I'd say go for it. But this way? I don't know.
Also, not every 1+ devices are well supported in terms of XDA development. For example, the 7T barely received any development.
Ps.: I'm not trying to hate on OnePlus. But honestly, the current range is pretty meh. There is the 7T. No development. The 8. Has curved edge, costs almost as much as the 8 Pro. So you might as well just buy the 8 Pro. But it has black crush issue, burn in problems and so many other problems. And it costs 1000$ - and some more. I don't know man.
When can we have a perfect Oxygen for the Chinese version Oneplus 11?
I've heard about those bugs caused by transferring to Oxygen 2447/2449/2541. Looking forward to a perfect Oxygen Rom to flash SOOOOOOOOOOOO BADLY!!
Raistlin.dai said:
When can we have a perfect Oxygen for the Chinese version Oneplus 11?
I've heard about those bugs caused by transferring to Oxygen 2447/2449/2541. Looking forward to a perfect Oxygen Rom to flash SOOOOOOOOOOOO BADLY!!
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I think oneplus / oppo doesn't want to be operated on the china op 11 oos and will therefore not ensure that it runs clean on the op11
I'm currently on OOS A08 2449 -
1. Brightness bug
2. Battery performance noticeably worse than COS A10
3. Phone randomly shuts off
4. Refresh rate appears to be stuck and adaptive refresh rate not working
5. Fingerprint reader malfunctions occasionally
And more that I can't think of at the moment.
If this continues I'll likely go back to stock COS...
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I'm currently on OOS A08 2449 -
1. Brightness bug
2. Battery performance noticeably worse than COS A10
3. Phone randomly shuts off
4. Refresh rate appears to be stuck and adaptive refresh rate not working
5. Fingerprint reader malfunctions occasionally
And more that I can't think of at the moment.
If this continues I'll likely go back to stock COS...
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On china op 11is it better to stay on cos
leming0628 said:
I'm currently on OOS A08 2449 -
1. Brightness bug
2. Battery performance noticeably worse than COS A10
3. Phone randomly shuts off
4. Refresh rate appears to be stuck and adaptive refresh rate not working
5. Fingerprint reader malfunctions occasionally
And more that I can't think of at the moment.
If this continues I'll likely go back to stock COS...
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I also ran into the same problem on Oxygen.A08 - 2449.
1. Auto Brightness bug
2. Fingerprint reader malfunctions occasionally
How to fix it?
these issues appeared to be "by design".
i think it's probably better to stick with cos, and find ways to get app's to run in cos similar to in oos.
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I'm currently on OOS A08 2449 -
1. Brightness bug
2. Battery performance noticeably worse than COS A10
3. Phone randomly shuts off
4. Refresh rate appears to be stuck and adaptive refresh rate not working
5. Fingerprint reader malfunctions occasionally
And more that I can't think of at the moment.
If this continues I'll likely go back to stock COS...
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EU phone 2449 OOS A08:
1. no
2. no
3. no
4. no
5. no
Hildanew said:
EU phone 2449 OOS A08:
1. no
2. no
3. no
4. no
5. no
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Maybe your phone was not Chinese version
jarodlau said:
Maybe your phone was not Chinese version
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EU phone 2449 OOS A08. Chinese version phone is designed for COS, no OOS. they are diffence phones. isnt recommeded flash OOS over COS. if i live in Chine, i buy Chine phone. if i live out of Chine, i buy original OOS. idk what this people doing..
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EU phone 2449 OOS A08. Chinese version phone is designed for COS, no OOS. they are diffence phones. isnt recommeded flash OOS over COS. if i live in Chine, i buy Chine phone. if i live out of Chine, i buy original OOS. idk what this people doing..
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You must be missing the point of coming to XDA.
1. A lot of people bought the Chinese version because it was launched much earlier in China.
2. It's generally much cheaper to buy a China version
3. There's no local market where I'm from in Australia
lol this is a good one, "missing the point of coming to XDA"
I think Oneplus 11 is just more troublesome with ROM this time due to the fact this is the first phone after OPPO official took over,
Previously with Oneplus, there would not not have much issue flashing to OxygenOS from the china HydrogenOS then ColorOS and is a easier process
It is also quite a norm practice for people to purchase Oneplus from China and just flash OxygenOS to use or those that purchase from aliexpress is also flashed by the seller using China set.
Now after OPPO took over, some backend stuff may have change and we dont know yet what is OPPO takes on flashing domestic Oneplus meant for China to be use in other country.
Dont think anyone should come in here and just say "if i live in china, i buy china phone, if i live out of china, i buy original OOS", to be honest this kind of comment is not helping at all when a lot of people is stuck with their phone not being able to call or they bought the phone with the intention of flashing over to OOS but is held with issue now over OTA update.
Cheers
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On china op 11is it better to stay on cos
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Does cos have an international version with Google apps preinstalled?
Roongx said:
Dont think anyone should come in here and just say "if i live in china, i buy china phone, if i live out of china, i buy original OOS", to be honest this kind of comment is not helping at all when a lot of people is stuck with their phone not being able to call or they bought the phone with the intention of flashing over to OOS but is held with issue now over OTA update.
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It is users fault that they blindly buy a phone not meant for the market, especially when it is theirs only daily device and start doing some random stuff expecting everything will work as intended.
Half of the messages here on XDA OP11 is "omg I bricked my device or did something bad, plz help I have no clue what to do, I was just pressing randomly on the keyboard to make rainbows happen".
Rather than wait and see what can be done with the device by the developers, everybody want to jump on a strange COS/OOS train expecting I really don't know what? Then it turns out some of the stuff doesn't work as it should anyway.
I have a feeling many average people just have this strange and weird urge to do sth with their new phone, even if it does not make any practical sense.
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It is users fault that they blindly buy a phone not meant for the market, especially when it is theirs only daily device and start doing some random stuff expecting everything will work as intended.
Half of the messages here on XDA OP11 is "omg I bricked my device or did something bad, plz help I have no clue what to do, I was just pressing randomly on the keyboard to make rainbows happen".
Rather than wait and see what can be done with the device by the developers, everybody want to jump on a strange COS/OOS train expecting I really don't know what? Then it turns out some of the stuff doesn't work as it should anyway.
I have a feeling many average people just have this strange and weird urge to do sth with their new phone, even if it does not make any practical sense.
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Lets say for example your friend who is not verse with xda or phone custom rom, he went ahead and purchased a china imported oneplus 11 because he previously heard oneplus 10 was one of the better device and is cheaper to import from china.
Hearing that the previous gen oneplus can be flashed to oxygenos, do you think it is his fault that he blindly buy a phone?
To be honest, even if you imported the phone from china and use it as it is, it does work as everything it is supposed to be as intended.
i think the big red flag is the region call locked people is facing, without the region call locked, the phone is working exactly as how a android phone should work. no?
If one year ago you imported oneplus 10 from china when it launch, there was no problem with calling except maybe the phone come with coloros.
No one knew that oneplus 11 will get region call locked when it is brought in from china to other country use.
cavist said:
It is users fault that they blindly buy a phone not meant for the market, especially when it is theirs only daily device and start doing some random stuff expecting everything will work as intended.
Half of the messages here on XDA OP11 is "omg I bricked my device or did something bad, plz help I have no clue what to do, I was just pressing randomly on the keyboard to make rainbows happen".
Rather than wait and see what can be done with the device by the developers, everybody want to jump on a strange COS/OOS train expecting I really don't know what? Then it turns out some of the stuff doesn't work as it should anyway.
I have a feeling many average people just have this strange and weird urge to do sth with their new phone, even if it does not make any practical sense.
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The whole point to buy an op is because of its "flashability".
People have problems and then they ask on XDA. That's why XDA was created.
Oneplus 11 is my first Oneplus phone, and by doing all that stuff with locking and software updates, it is my last Oneplus, I will never buy Oneplus again.
Before I bought Oneplus 10pro, Ace Pro, the Chinese version. was able convert rom to Oxygen os without any problem, no SIM lock, Then who would have thought that Oneplus 11 would have this problem?
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Lets say for example your friend who is not verse with xda or phone custom rom, he went ahead and purchased a china imported oneplus 11 because he previously heard oneplus 10 was one of the better device and is cheaper to import from china.
Hearing that the previous gen oneplus can be flashed to oxygenos, do you think it is his fault that he blindly buy a phone?
To be honest, even if you imported the phone from china and use it as it is, it does work as everything it is supposed to be as intended.
i think the big red flag is the region call locked people is facing, without the region call locked, the phone is working exactly as how a android phone should work. no?
If one year ago you imported oneplus 10 from china when it launch, there was no problem with calling except maybe the phone come with coloros.
No one knew that oneplus 11 will get region call locked when it is brought in from china to other country use.
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The whole point to buy an op is because of its "flashability".
People have problems and then they ask on XDA. That's why XDA was created.
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I stand by what I wrote earlier and still think it is a user's fault to buy something in the blind. Nobody promised OP11 will be the same experience so I personally would and will wait for stable tools/guides/ways and software to optionaly change my phone's system in any way. So yes, buying sth and expecting it will be the same, especially having in mind how OP10 development support was and by taking only into consideration what is going on with Oneplus brand under Oppo, then I will repeat that is somebodys fault, inexperience, blind faith etc.
Also not a fan of importing devices from various regions just because they can be speced differently which it turned out its true with the chinese version and call blocking without local activation in cn market.
In my own opinion people are often creating problems themselves and they ask about sth that could have been avoided but of course it's a tik-tok era and everybody are impatient and they would rather start "dont-know-what-Iam-doing" with their phones rather than wait patiently for more feedback from the smart people who can thinker with their phones and release a guide what could or not be done with it.
Hildanew said:
EU phone 2449 OOS A08. Chinese version phone is designed for COS, no OOS. they are diffence phones. isnt recommeded flash OOS over COS. if i live in Chine, i buy Chine phone. if i live out of Chine, i buy original OOS. idk what this people doing..
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Would you able to buy oneplus 11 512GB/12GB in North America? Nobody want to get headaches, there’s always some reason.
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The whole point to buy an op is because of its "flashability".
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It was so up until the OP 8T/9. Then the flashability of OnePlus devices instantly dropped to -1.000.