Anyone know how I might go about diagnosing why my phone has been running much warmer than usual? Just browsing Facebook (posts, not video) for about 5 minutes with brightness around 25% the temp was up to 41 degrees. It happened earlier today when I was just using Chrome, and it happens most days now. The issue began when I updated to 11.2.8.8 (the very next day), and the phone overheated several times the first few days, evidenced by the system warning about temperature, then recovering several minutes later. I haven't seen the system warning since then, but it's frequently above 40 degrees just doing everyday tasks. Oddly, I haven't noticed it overheating when playing games.
I usually run Omega kernel, which has always run cooler than stock during both normal use and heavy gaming, but this issue has occurred with both stock and Omega, so it's not kernel-related. The only magisk modules I have installed are debloater (for YouTube only), font manager, and systemless hosts, so that's not it either.
Maybe some app going haywire (how to find it? Nothing in battery usage) or some system behavior that changed in 11.2.8.8? Anyone else have this issue or find what's causing it?
That's just how this phone is. It was worse when the phone released before all of the updates. They've been slowly trying to fix it with each update. The 888 is a hot *****.
TheKnux said:
That's just how this phone is. It was worse when the phone released before all of the updates. They've been slowly trying to fix it with each update. The 888 is a hot *****.
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I remember having that complaint when I first got it, especially when gaming, but it's been fine for me since like April, until this last update. And with Omega several degrees cooler. So there has to be something new causing it....
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I remember having that complaint when I first got it, especially when gaming, but it's been fine for me since like April, until this last update. And with Omega several degrees cooler. So there has to be something new causing it....
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What version of Omega are you on? What build of OOS? AA, BA, DA? Are there any unusual rogue apps that you've noticed running more than usual?
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What version of Omega are you on? What build of OOS? AA, BA, DA? Are there any unusual rogue apps that you've noticed running more than usual?
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Latest version of Omega (8/7) since yesterday, but was having the same issue on the previous build (7/30). I'm on OOS 11.2.8.8 BA.
I haven't noticed any apps using more battery than expected, but I guess that might be part of my question... If there are any, what's the best way to find them? I'm not seeing any useful info in BBS or anything in GSam I wouldn't expect, except overall battery drain is a bit higher when it's been running hot. I do have a lot of apps installed and should probably clean up what I don't use, so I guess that's a place to start.
Find which apks are using the battery.
Google system apks are prime suspects.
Trash apps like FB, WhatsApp, LinkedIn... none of that junkware runs on my device, ever.
Examine all startup apks closely, take out the trash.
Power management can end up causing excessive battery usage, try turning it off.
Track down each battery hog and deal with it on a case by case basis rather than the flip a switch shotgun approach.
I use Karma Firewall's logging feature to help track down offenders.
Dependencies... sometimes the source of the high usage is hidden. What apks and services are running? What apks are using what services and why? What's apks are getting cached first when you clear them all? Any memory leaks?
Play with it... Androids wuv attention
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Find which apks are using the battery.
Google system apks are prime suspects.
Trash apps like FB, WhatsApp, LinkedIn... none of that junkware runs on my device, ever.
Examine all startup apks closely, take out the trash.
Power management can end up causing excessive battery usage, try turning it off.
Track down each battery hog and deal with it on a case by case basis rather than the flip a switch shotgun approach.
I use Karma Firewall's logging feature to help track down offenders.
Dependencies... sometimes the source of the high usage is hidden. What apks and services are running? What apks are using what services and why? What's apks are getting cached first when you clear them all? Any memory leaks?
Play with it... Androids wuv attention
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Good ideas. I just installed Karma Firewall and will see if it turns up anything.
How do you manage startup apps and running services? I used to use Servicely, but with Android 11 I find that even when I disable apps at startup they still start on their own, and it seems to use more battery than it saves. I've since disabled all apps of that kind and just let Android manage things itself. The only thing I do is go to individual apps and turn on battery optimization and disable background data if not needed, and I keep apps I don't use often in Icebox, including Facebook, which is the only social media type app I have. (Uninstalling FB isn't an option unfortunately.)
What do you mean by "which apps are getting cached first when you clear them all?" and how might I find it there are memory leaks?
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Good ideas. I just installed Karma Firewall and will see if it turns up anything.
How do you manage startup apps and running services? I used to use Servicely, but with Android 11 I find that even when I disable apps at startup they still start on their own, and it seems to use more battery than it saves. I've since disabled all apps of that kind and just let Android manage things itself. The only thing I do is go to individual apps and turn on battery optimization and disable background data if not needed, and I keep apps I don't use often in Icebox, including Facebook, which is the only social media type app I have. (Uninstalling FB isn't an option unfortunately.)
What do you mean by "which apps are getting cached first when you clear them all?" and how might I find it there are memory leaks?
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Karma's logging feature doesn't work in 10 and above I believe, I run Pie. See what you got though. It will still block apk internet access though and uses almost no battery.
The battery optimization option can cause erratic behavior and I never use it. Close apps when done with them. Brave browser for instance will run in the background until closed.
Developer options>running services memory leaks show up as an apk who's memory usage just keeps increasing with time. It can get quit large. These are rare and poorly coded programs. More common on Windows.
Keep an eye though for memory hungry apps as they may be using excessive power but not always. Small memory users can be worse. Dependencies, sometimes a apk or service keeps making repeated requests because of a disabled apk or service.
Killing Goggle play Services and Playstore when not needed will help battery life.
Google backup Transport, Framework and Firebase are always disabled on my device.
All carrier, manufacturer, and Google feedback are disabled.
I have a Samsung device and I use its Device Care app to clear the cached apks. Then watch as they repopulate. You'll need an app that does this. In running services you can disable a suspect apk and see how long it takes to come back. I find that Device Care is more effective though and that ability has let me track down some misbehaving system apks saving me a reload.
FB is weaponized and a proven liability. Known data miner. Purveyor of disinformation and dissent. It has ruined countless lives and careers. It deliberately makes you have load the app to be able to send messages. If this last year hasn't taught you what you need to know...
I used it for one month 15 years ago and knew what it was back then. It's far worse today.
Don't feed the beast.
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Karma's logging feature doesn't work in 10 and above I believe, I run Pie. See what you got though. It will still block apk internet access though and uses almost no battery.
The battery optimization option can cause erratic behavior and I never use it. Close apps when done with them. Brave browser for instance will run in the background until closed.
Developer options>running services memory leaks show up as an apk who's memory usage just keeps increasing with time. It can get quit large. These are rare and poorly coded programs. More common on Windows.
Keep an eye though for memory hungry apps as they may be using excessive power but not always. Small memory users can be worse. Dependencies, sometimes a apk or service keeps making repeated requests because of a disabled apk or service.
Killing Goggle play Services and Playstore when not needed will help battery life.
Google backup Transport, Framework and Firebase are always disabled on my device.
All carrier, manufacturer, and Google feedback are disabled.
I have a Samsung device and I use its Device Care app to clear the cached apks. Then watch as they repopulate. You'll need an app that does this. In running services you can disable a suspect apk and see how long it takes to come back. I find that Device Care is more effective though and that ability has let me track down some misbehaving system apks saving me a reload.
FB is weaponized and a proven liability. Known data miner. Purveyor of disinformation and dissent. It has ruined countless lives and careers. It deliberately makes you have load the app to be able to send messages. If this last year hasn't taught you what you need to know...
I used it for one month 15 years ago and knew what it was back then. It's far worse today.
Don't feed the beast.
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Thanks for the info, it's interesting. However, if you're running Pie & not even using a OnePlus device, none of this is going to be applicable to my issue which is specific to OOS 11.2.8.8 on this particular device, only present since last month's update.
Re: FB - I'm required to use it for my job (well, second job), and I need it on my mobile device in order to do that job, so it's not going away. Freezing it when not in use is the best I can do.
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Thanks for the info, it's interesting. However, if you're running Pie & not even using a OnePlus device, none of this is going to be applicable to my issue which is specific to OOS 11.2.8.8 on this particular device, only present since last month's update.
Re: FB - I'm required to use it for my job (well, second job), and I need it on my mobile device in order to do that job, so it's not going away. Freezing it when not in use is the best I can do.
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You cross platform OS version and manufacturer to find solutions. I have a lot of posts here but few asking for help because I do the above or just keeps at it until I work it out as it's my issue.
*shakes head*
You've painted yourself into a corner.
@terlynn4 I use BatteryGuru because it uses root to find rogue apps that are draining battery unnecessarily. Give it a go and see if that helps pinpoint the problem at all.
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Since I noticed this behaviour last night, I've been obsessively watching various apps start and stop on their own. On the App Manager's "Running" tab, I keep seeing several apps start and stop on their own, despite the fact that I've turned off any network-related syncing or listening options in their individual settings.
Also, there seem to be far too many apps in the Cached Processes screen, most of them I haven't run at all for a long time.
Is this behaviour normal? (Android's, not my obsessing...)
I'm worried that something else is going on in the background and killing my battery. Or worse, scanning my system. (Though I did run an antivirus without any problems being detected.)
Thx.
I recently asked a similar question regarding lowering background processes allowed. Whether background and cached apps affect battery. I learned it is a trade off between using more battery to restart or pull from cache. I opted to do a heavy debloat and freeze certain apps or processes I don't need. I also use cool tools to watch my memory and CPU info and battery monitor widget pro to monitor mA and CPU temp. I enjoy trying to max out efficiency. I didn't see my post anymore in the last few pages but if its further back the guys linked me to some great info about processes. Sorry for not linking thread. I will when I get a chance. Hope it helps you too.
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I recently asked a similar question regarding lowering background processes allowed. Whether background and cached apps affect battery. I learned it is a trade off between using more battery to restart or pull from cache. I opted to do a heavy debloat and freeze certain apps or processes I don't need. I also use cool tools to watch my memory and CPU info and battery monitor widget pro to monitor mA and CPU temp. I enjoy trying to max out efficiency. I didn't see my post anymore in the last few pages but if its further back the guys linked me to some great info about processes. Sorry for not linking thread. I will when I get a chance. Hope it helps you too.
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Thanks! I'll take a look in your post history to see if I can find it.
I'm less concerned with whether or not the apps are actually running or cached, what worries me is that they all seem to be constantly starting and stopping for a few seconds. Watching the Running apps screen I can see many different apps cycling over and over. The process starts, goes on a few seconds, then stops. Then another one pops up. Then another, etc etc.
I looked back about a dozen pages and couldn't find it anymore but I think it was diablo009 that gave me links to some really helpful stuff he had written. I'm not super proficient in maneuvering the forums but maybe you can find his posts with that info another way. Good luck.
Not sure if it loads my signature when posting from phone. But if it does, check Android Memory Management link in my signature.
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I looked back about a dozen pages and couldn't find it anymore but I think it was diablo009 that gave me links to some really helpful stuff he had written. I'm not super proficient in maneuvering the forums but maybe you can find his posts with that info another way. Good luck.
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(This is the one I found.)
I'm aware of that RAM usage with Android from similar articles I read last year, but it was really the automatic starting and stopping of processes/services that bugged me. I think it might just be a situation where if the app's on your phone there's nothing you can do about it if you've granted network access permissions. I probably naively assumed that if you granted those permissions where would be settings to disable network access within the apps.
Some of my observations:
An app prefetched into memory does not use CPU.
A prefetched app could be wiped from memory if more RAM is needed. After the memory intensive app quits, this could be loaded back.
If an app is used frequently, it would be one of the prime candidates to be considered for prefetching.
An app loaded (not prefetched) uses CPU based on its work, like it could be a daemon looking for updates.
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Some of my observations:
An app prefetched into memory does not use CPU.
A prefetched app could be wiped from memory if more RAM is needed. After the memory intensive app quits, this could be loaded back.
If an app is used frequently, it would be one of the prime candidates to be considered for prefetching.
An app loaded (not prefetched) uses CPU based on its work, like it could be a daemon looking for updates.
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The last one is what I am worried about. There are apps that are starting processes and then stopping repeatedly. A couple dozen different ones, including ones I have barely ever used. I've looked at some of those apps' settings and disabled any notifications or update checking, basically anything network related, but they keep showing up in my running apps/processes list throughout the day.
Not sure how Google market checks for app updates. It could be querying installed apps at regular intervals to check for their versions to compare to versions in market.
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Not sure how Google market checks for app updates. It could be querying installed apps at regular intervals to check for their versions to compare to versions in market.
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That's one thing I wondered about, but I have Google Play updates off. I guess it's possible that it still checks, though.
Thx for the reminder! I'm going to double-check my Play settings just in case something was reset during an update.
You could try something like Rom toolbox pro to stop startup programs if you use them infrequently. I have had a few issue stopping certain apps but a little tweaking and it works well. Juice Defender also has the option for disabling apps from accessing data/wifi or neither. I don't know about the process though. Thanks for spotting your name Diablo and helping out. Great info on the topics.
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Since I noticed this behaviour last night, I've been obsessively watching various apps start and stop on their own. On the App Manager's "Running" tab, I keep seeing several apps start and stop on their own, despite the fact that I've turned off any network-related syncing or listening options in their individual settings.
Also, there seem to be far too many apps in the Cached Processes screen, most of them I haven't run at all for a long time.
Is this behaviour normal? (Android's, not my obsessing...)
I'm worried that something else is going on in the background and killing my battery. Or worse, scanning my system. (Though I did run an antivirus without any problems being detected.)
Thx.
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I agree that if you don't use it, uninstall if you are able. Otherwise just disable it. This is unusual though. I randomly go into cached processes and only the things I use or that the system needs are there. On a rare basis something additional might pop up.
Hi all,
I'm running several apps that should run all the time (AdGuard, Network Speed Meter) or for a long time (speed trap warner,...) but OxygenOS kills them after a certain period. Some of them restart automatically, some don't. Of course all of these apps are 'not battery optimized'. Is there any chance to prevent OxygenOS from killing them?
Are there custom ROMs that can overcome this problen?
I'm on the latest OxygenOS Pie Beta, but the behavior was similar on Android O...
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Did you try locking the app via recents menu?
Thank for the info, didn't know that.
Unfortunately it doesn't help, Adguard and the network monitor don't appear in recents. The speed trap warner automatically starts and stops when I'm in the car, i don't want to open recents manually every time.
Battery - Battery optimisation - Don't optimise
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Battery - Battery optimisation - Don't optimise
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This is not changing anything,e ven with disable battery disabled, even with adaptative battery disabled.
I have the same problem. I have not found any solution whatsoever. This is really frustrating. I've made sure apps aren't optimized. Advanced optimization is disabled. Developer options background limit is at standard. I've pinned the apps in recent apps and it still happens. Apps get killed all the time.
For example,
1. I use Google Fit to start tracking a run. Within 10 minutes of tracking, the app is closed and workout not tracked. Its not even like i touched the phone and opened other apps during this.
2. I have VoIP account setup in the default dialer. Calls come through only 50% of the time cause the dialer is closed.
3. YouTube Music, constantly gets closed if i simply pause the music. Within 2 minutes, the app is closed.
4. Trying to transfer 15GB of files through Explorer app from phone to file server, never succeeds if i don't watch the app and keep the screen on.
5. Plex gets closed and therefore my photos don't auto backup with the phone is plugged in.
This is absolutely ridiculous! Why the hell a phone with 8GB of RAM is killing apps is beyond me!
Custom ROM on the same phone, like Lineage OS, no issues. Can have optimization on, battery manager on and all. In fact, battery life is better on custom when its not killing the apps! Seems to be the only solution until OOS can stop killing apps so aggressively.
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I have the same problem. I have not found any solution whatsoever. This is really frustrating. I've made sure apps aren't optimized. Advanced optimization is disabled. Developer options background limit is at standard. I've pinned the apps in recent apps and it still happens. Apps get killed all the time.
For example,
1. I use Google Fit to start tracking a run. Within 10 minutes of tracking, the app is closed and workout not tracked. Its not even like i touched the phone and opened other apps during this.
2. I have VoIP account setup in the default dialer. Calls come through only 50% of the time cause the dialer is closed.
3. YouTube Music, constantly gets closed if i simply pause the music. Within 2 minutes, the app is closed.
4. Trying to transfer 15GB of files through Explorer app from phone to file server, never succeeds if i don't watch the app and keep the screen on.
5. Plex gets closed and therefore my photos don't auto backup with the phone is plugged in.
This is absolutely ridiculous! Why the hell a phone with 8GB of RAM is killing apps is beyond me!
Custom ROM on the same phone, like Lineage OS, no issues. Can have optimization on, battery manager on and all. In fact, battery life is better on custom when its not killing the apps! Seems to be the only solution until OOS can stop killing apps so aggressively.
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My app is not killed when i lock it in the switch app menu
There's a whole website regarding that issue on several devices, maybe it helps: dontkillmyapp(dot)com/general#user-solution
Hi all,
I seem to get this issue with pretty much every single Android Device I've owned in the last 8 years, particularly Samsung ones, and that's the good old "Android System" battery drain.
I have tried everything over the years, except rooting the device, but nothing has ever worked as a permanent fix.
I have tried:
- resetting device
- clearing cache
- restarting phone
- Shutting down background tasks
- Low battery usage location settings
- Deleting apps
- a million other things
But one way or another, Android System will eventually make its way back to the top of my battery usage stats.
I've come to the conclusion that it's the OS itself that's badly coded which causes this.
Has anyone, anyone, ever figured out a way to get on top of Android System battery drain?
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Hi all,
I seem to get this issue with pretty much every single Android Device I've owned in the last 8 years, particularly Samsung ones, and that's the good old "Android System" battery drain.
I have tried everything over the years, except rooting the device, but nothing has ever worked as a permanent fix.
I have tried:
- resetting device
- clearing cache
- restarting phone
- Shutting down background tasks
- Low battery usage location settings
- Deleting apps
- a million other things
But one way or another, Android System will eventually make its way back to the top of my battery usage stats.
I've come to the conclusion that it's the OS itself that's badly coded which causes this.
Has anyone, anyone, ever figured out a way to get on top of Android System battery drain?
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I'm not sure this effects that, but while setting up phone from a factory reset etc, do you Uncheck the fields that pop up such as analytics, wifi scanning (even while off) and all the other ones ?
I uncheck all the crap i can. It's possible if you leave those checked that could be the culprit a bunch of services running in bckgrd....
Just a guess....but if you say this has happened on all your androids....maybe this is why.
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I'm not sure this effects that, but while setting up phone from a factory reset etc, do you Uncheck the fields that pop up such as analytics, wifi scanning (even while off) and all the other ones ?
I uncheck all the crap i can. It's possible if you leave those checked that could be the culprit a bunch of services running in bckgrd....
Just a guess....but if you say this has happened on all your androids....maybe this is why.
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Yep I un-ckeck all of those fields. Makes zero difference overall (I have tried both ways).
lbreak said:
Yep I un-ckeck all of those fields. Makes zero difference overall (I have tried both ways).
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That sucks, could it be due to social media apps syncing constantly? Sorry I'm out of ideas....
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Ibreak, maybe the problem is caused by apps sending reports and analytics via google services, samsung related stuff always sends analytics, even if you do not facebook, the damned thing is always lurking and consuming resources, google app and chrome also are resources-hoarders, I use ccswe to disable all useless firebase, crash, analytics, ad listeners, campaign trackers, components and some boot listeners within many apps
lbreak said:
Hi all,
I seem to get this issue with pretty much every single Android Device I've owned in the last 8 years, particularly Samsung ones, and that's the good old "Android System" battery drain.
I have tried everything over the years, except rooting the device, but nothing has ever worked as a permanent fix.
I have tried:
- resetting device
- clearing cache
- restarting phone
- Shutting down background tasks
- Low battery usage location settings
- Deleting apps
- a million other things
But one way or another, Android System will eventually make its way back to the top of my battery usage stats.
I've come to the conclusion that it's the OS itself that's badly coded which causes this.
Has anyone, anyone, ever figured out a way to get on top of Android System battery drain?
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Enable Developer option
then go Settings» Developer options» running services
Here you should see a bunch of services running. A number of them should fall under Android System, close all related to Android System (it is ok to do so)
Then under Google Play services close all (well two of those services are persistent so they will auto start back in a couple seconds, lockscreeen service and Google location service), nothing you can do about this other than to disable Google play services which would then cause a lot of apps to cry like pandora, samsung internet browser, play store, YouTube etc.
Then go settings» apps» 3 dots at upper-right hand corner» show system apps» android system» battery» disable background activity
On each restart Android system background activity will be automatically enabled so just disable it on each restart.
The thing is it could be a number of apps or services that is causing the issue through Android system but a good indicator of which app might be causing your issue is to check Android system memory which is right below background activity, there it should show which app is accessing the memory through it the most. Disable that app or clean its cache/data.
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The thing is it could be a number of apps or services that is causing the issue through Android system but a good indicator of which app might be causing your issue is to check Android system memory which is right below background activity, a.
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Thanks lennie,
How do I check this?
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Thanks lennie,
How do I check this?
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It's in the same place you'd find background activity, but instead of going to battery, go to memory.
settings» apps» 3 dots at upper-right hand corner» show system apps» android system» memory
At the top above average memory usage you should see the app.
I would recommend using a package disabler (ccswe from the play store or package disabler pro from their website)
You can disable a lot of things but DO NOT disable
boot agent (could lock your phone in bootloop)
Android system (could hand your phone on boot up)
One UI (unless you have a different launcher installed and enabled)
IMS is important too
There's one more I can't remember right now, but you get the idea.
If you're not too sure if something can get disabled with no harsh side effects then just post the question
settings» apps» 3 dots at upper-right hand corner» show system apps» android system» mobile data
Shows a list of all the apps that have access to the network through Android system, disable the the ones you're sure you're not using or will use. That should shorten the list of potential battery drainer.
Thanks again.
It just shows an app called "face" under Android System memory. I assume that's for face unlock.
Be careful with disabling OneUI, because it will also disable the task manager and you'll got a really ugly one instead.
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Thanks again.
It just shows an app called "face" under Android System memory. I assume that's for face unlock.
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Yeah that's for face unlock. I used to use it but since the fingerprint scanner update it has been working really well with my screen protector so I don't really need it anymore so I have it disabled.
If you don't use face.
How i use my phone to maximize my battery is simple. Things I don't use or need I keep them disabled, some I simply disable until I need them like the play store or galaxy store etc. Every other day or so I would check those apps to see if there is an update I might want to install.
lennie said:
Yeah that's for face unlock. I used to use it but since the fingerprint scanner update it has been working really well with my screen protector so I don't really need it anymore so I have it disabled.
If you don't use face.
How i use my phone to maximize my battery is simple. Things I don't use or need I keep them disabled, some I simply disable until I need them like the play store or galaxy store etc. Every other day or so I would check those apps to see if there is an update I might want to install.
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I only use the fingerprint sensor, but it's still shows (only) Face there. Any idea?
There's really no fix to Android System drain, it's especially worse when you're on mobile data.
Hello everyone, im going to choose a phone for my cousin and i was looking to s20+ exynos. Its a great phone but when i bought it in 2020 summer, it was heating up a lot even when doing normal tasks like using chrome or watching youtube. For comparison, when using zoom s20+ got up to 42-43 Degree battery and was really hot, same conditions s10+ was something like 31battery. After 2 days i returned the phone. Now i suspect this was due to software problems and wanna know if phone still heats up like this during normal use.
My Note 10+ Snapdragon was a hot running battery hog when I first used it. Today it's a fast, stable, cool running platform. Same firmware but I optimized it over time.
If you expect an Android to run perfectly out of the box you're having Apple delusions
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My Note 10+ Snapdragon was a hot running battery hog when I first used it. Today it's a fast, stable, cool running platform. Same firmware but I optimized it over time.
If you expect an Android to run perfectly out of the box you're having Apple delusions
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I suppose its okay for it to not be perfect but it shouldnt be that bad either. I wouldnt return it otherwise. That was definitely not a case where it would fix itself with user optimizations and a week of 'phone getting used to your patterns' bs. You clearly had a different problem if you achieved it without updates.
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I suppose its okay for it to not be perfect but it shouldnt be that bad either. I wouldnt return it otherwise. That was definitely not a case where it would fix itself with user optimizations and a week of 'phone getting used to your patterns' bs. You clearly had a different problem if you achieved it without updates.
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Doesn't matter what the problem is most times because with Android there's always a work around even on stock Androids.
Each device and user are different... we're not all the same lame Apple
It's time consuming... until you work it out.
If you're waiting an update solution you're going to wait... and maybe still not get what you want.
That's why Gookill can jam Q and especially 11 up someone else's auxiliary port.
No real improvements and lots of useless cpu cycle robbing big sister bs. 12 will likely be worse... so I'm not throwing my money or time at it. I have that luxury.
Dead cats, dead rats
Can't you see what they were at?
blackhawk said:
Doesn't matter what the problem is most times because with Android there's always a work around even on stock Androids.
Each device and user are different... we're not all the same lame Apple
It's time consuming... until you work it out.
If you're waiting an update solution you're going to wait... and maybe still not get what you want.
That's why Gookill can jam Q and especially 11 up someone else's auxiliary port.
No real improvements and lots of useless cpu cycle robbing big sister bs. 12 will likely be worse... so I'm not throwing my money or time at it. I have that luxury.
Dead cats, dead rats
Can't you see what they were at?
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just out of curiosity, what did you do to stop your phone from overheating?
theblitz707 said:
just out of curiosity, what did you do to stop your phone from overheating?
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A whole lot.
First step was to disable all power management.
Then go after each offender on a case by case basis. Rogue 3rd party apps either get firewall blocked or deleted especially if they're are startup apps that don't need that privilege.
I use Package Disabler and Karma Firewall a lot.
I clear the system cache and use as needed the old Device Care powered by 360° (firewall blocked) to clear system caches and logs.
Disable all cloud junk, and other Google trashware.
Simply disabling Google play Services and Playstore when not needed gives you another 1-2%@ hr of battery life. They are hogs that tend to run needlessly.
Disable all feedback... it's data mining at your expense.
Sometimes I turn off battery background usage to certain apks like Android Services.
It all adds up... play with it.
Each device, OS and user are different, so what works well for me might puke on you.
Don't make too many changes at once and be aware of possible dependencies for the apps you alter. It's a learning curve... and sort of fun.
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It's almost impossible to crash and burn* a stock Android. So get after it!
*always be ready for a crash. Backup all critical data redundantly and be ready to reload at any time. While very rare Android crashes give little or no warning. Slight system instability and lag are many times the only warnings you will get on a fast platform... then bam, boot loop.
blackhawk said:
A whole lot.
First step was to disable all power management.
Then go after each offender on a case by case basis. Rogue 3rd party apps either get firewall blocked or deleted especially if they're are startup apps that don't need that privilege.
I use Package Disabler and Karma Firewall a lot.
I clear the system cache and use as needed the old Device Care powered by 360° (firewall blocked) to clear system caches and logs.
Disable all cloud junk, and other Google trashware.
Simply disabling Google play Services and Playstore when not needed gives you another 1-2%@ hr of battery life. They are hogs that tend to run needlessly.
Disable all feedback... it's data mining at your expense.
Sometimes I turn off battery background usage to certain apks like Android Services.
It all adds up... play with it.
Each device, OS and user are different, so what works well for me might puke on you.
Don't make too many changes at once and be aware of possible dependencies for the apps you alter. It's a learning curve... and sort of fun.
&
It's almost impossible to crash and burn* a stock Android. So get after it!
*always be ready for a crash. Backup all critical data redundantly and be ready to reload at any time. While very rare Android crashes give little or no warning. Slight system instability and lag are many times the only warnings you will get on a fast platform... then bam, boot loop.
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Im pretty sure your note 10 would be completely fine without any of those. If you updated a few times. But if you have to stay at initial firmware for some specific reason then fair enough. (Btw, I also used to disable google play and google services but at the time my phone had 834MB ram so it was really important, i dont think saving %1 battery is worth it at all)
When i had my S20+, phone didnt heat at all when idling so some bloatware/feedback/google services/rogue app etc. wasnt the issue. I learned from someone else it was fixed after november update. Anyways have a good day
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Im pretty sure your note 10 would be completely fine without any of those. If you updated a few times. But if you have to stay at initial firmware for some specific reason then fair enough. (Btw, I also used to disable google play and google services but at the time my phone had 834MB ram so it was really important, i dont think saving %1 battery is worth it at all)
When i had my S20+, phone didnt heat at all when idling so some bloatware/feedback/google services/rogue app etc. wasnt the issue. I learned from someone else it was fixed after november update. Anyways have a good day
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That's a minimum. When Gookill is misbehaving it's battery usage far exceeds that and extends into when the screen is off.
My battery usage when sleeping with AOD on touch demand is 2-3% for 6 hours.
That 1 or 2% is also after much of the Gookill junkware was disabled.
Google and Samsung apps are the prime suspects... as usual.
My stock 10+ is heavily reconfigured, I have no quick fixes for you because none of mine were quick
As for updates, they ain't got nothing for me. Last thing I want is Q loading on this device.
It would gut Karma Firewall's functionality and destroy trusted overlay apks... for what?
I've already archieved all my favorite apks so I'm not longer dependent on Playstore. Playstore will eventually alter or delete them.
Hello guys,
i've reinstalled from scratch my s22 to try to boost my battery performance. Installed the last update and all the apps that i need. First battery cycle 6 hours and half of SOT yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
But than comes the crappy part :/ after a full charge from zero with phone in shut down mode i've turned on it and.... almost 4 hours of sot.
WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!
Anyone have found the same problem?!?
How can it be possible to go from 6.30 to 4 with the same type of use?!?
DAMN S22!!!
All Samsung's need to be optimized for best performance. 4 hr SOT means you're burning up that battery too!
Turn off all global power management ie adaptive battery. Find the power hogs and deal with each on a case by case basis.
Cloud apps including Google backup.
Keep display brightness on manual and below 50% when possible.
Disable Google, Samsung, app and carrier feedback. Turn off Google Firebase.
Get rid of all installed social media trashware.
Try temporarily disabling Google play Services and see if this helps much; Google backup, Gmail and Playstore are dependencies.
Manually close out apps like Brave browser that insist on running in the background.
Use tap on AOD.
Kill wifi if you don't need it.
Turn off locations when not needed.
blackhawk said:
All Samsung's need to be optimized for best performance. 4 hr SOT means you're burning up that battery too!
Turn off all global power management ie adaptive battery. Find the power hogs and deal with each on a case by case basis.
Cloud apps including Google backup.
Keep display brightness on manual and below 50% when possible.
Disable Google, Samsung, app and carrier feedback. Turn off Google Firebase.
Get rid of all installed social media trashware.
Try temporarily disabling Google play Services and see if this helps much; Google backup, Gmail and Playstore are dependencies.
Manually close out apps like Brave browser that insist on running in the background.
Use tap on AOD.
Kill wifi if you don't need it.
Turn off locations when not needed.
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I just turned off Adaptive Battery and now the phone is just flying through the apps. Yes, Twitter and co. can still have the occasional hick-up, but it is now significantly improved. I was about to sell the Ultra and already got an iPhone 13 Pro Max, but this is quite literally a game changer. Thank you, my man. Time to get the iPhone back to the store.
I haven't heard of the Brave issue. It doesn't seem to run in the background on my phone. And I don't know why it would if Chrome doesn't. Can you point me to a thread or something about Brave? I use it on all my PCs everyday and quite like it. And on my Kindle Fire, where running background apps are usually very apparent. Have I just not noticed on my phone for some reason?
blackhawk said:
All Samsung's need to be optimized for best performance. 4 hr SOT means you're burning up that battery too!
Turn off all global power management ie adaptive battery. Find the power hogs and deal with each on a case by case basis.
Cloud apps including Google backup.
Keep display brightness on manual and below 50% when possible.
Disable Google, Samsung, app and carrier feedback. Turn off Google Firebase.
Get rid of all installed social media trashware.
Try temporarily disabling Google play Services and see if this helps much; Google backup, Gmail and Playstore are dependencies.
Manually close out apps like Brave browser that insist on running in the background.
Use tap on AOD.
Kill wifi if you don't need it.
Turn off locations when not needed.
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cuvtixo said:
I haven't heard of the Brave issue. It doesn't seem to run in the background on my phone. And I don't know why it would if Chrome doesn't. Can you point me to a thread or something about Brave? I use it on all my PCs everyday and quite like it. And on my Kindle Fire, where running background apps are usually very apparent. Have I just not noticed on my phone for some reason?
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It does on my Note 10+/Pie. I can see it doing it on the firewall. So I close it out when not using it. May be just my configuration. Lol it doesn't need run at startup permissions.
Otherwise it's bulletproof, which is why I use it.
No malware ever slipped through it as it and the the N10+ are configured. It's been well tested...