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Having heard about the screen cracking problems and just generally wanting to protect my new excalibur I searched the Net for a good case.
I found several online stores and ebay sellers carrying a Black Aluminum Case, i even found it on amazon and the reviews looked pretty good.
The case is pretty much identical to this one, maybe some of you have tried it.
I really like the way Case protects the screen and the phone in general while allowing access to all the keys, and it doesn't look half bad if a little bulky.
Unfortunately the belt clip fell apart after just 2 days use though thats not such a deal breaker but I have also just realized that the case decreases my signal strength, in some situations by 3 bars. That i cannot live with, it sort of ruins the point of having a hard accessible case if you have to keep on taking your phone out of it every time you want to make a call.
This is the most active Excalibur forum i have found (and stuff you guys develop is awesome) and i was just wondering if you guys could recommend a good affordable case. I have found a black plastic case and a lot of leather/cloth ones but after this bad experience i would like to see what you guys have to say first.
Thanks
Just use a rubber case, seems to do the job for me and they are fairly cheap on ebay.
For Fathers Day, I got a black/silver carbon fiber case... looks damn sexy with the black wallpaper on Kavanas ROM. No signal probs at all.
There are other options
Dude, I am dead serious about my phone looking sweet. I can tell you do too, hence the aluminum case. So, here's what you do, go back to ebay and get one of those antenna boosters. It's a freakin strip you put on your battery or something, it's toilet paper thin. It takes up no space. Try it. It might help, and then you wouldn't have to sacrifice the cool case. It's worth a shot.
Plus, unless you have extensively tested this theory. I doubt that your case is making your signal quality go down. Since the signal is transmitted so far away and makes it through so many metallic and non-metallic obstacles, yet your phone picks it up. Now, it does all of that, and you think that a 20th of an inch of aliminum is going to stop the signal. Maybe, but I would try something else before trashing the case. Just an opinion. Hope this helps.
RoachX said:
Having heard about the screen cracking problems and just generally wanting to protect my new excalibur I searched the Net for a good case.
I found several online stores and ebay sellers carrying a Black Aluminum Case, i even found it on amazon and the reviews looked pretty good.
The case is pretty much identical to this one, maybe some of you have tried it.
I really like the way Case protects the screen and the phone in general while allowing access to all the keys, and it doesn't look half bad if a little bulky.
Unfortunately the belt clip fell apart after just 2 days use though thats not such a deal breaker but I have also just realized that the case decreases my signal strength, in some situations by 3 bars. That i cannot live with, it sort of ruins the point of having a hard accessible case if you have to keep on taking your phone out of it every time you want to make a call.
This is the most active Excalibur forum i have found (and stuff you guys develop is awesome) and i was just wondering if you guys could recommend a good affordable case. I have found a black plastic case and a lot of leather/cloth ones but after this bad experience i would like to see what you guys have to say first.
Thanks
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Since the signal is transmitted so far away and makes it through so many metallic and non-metallic obstacles, yet your phone picks it up. Now, it does all of that, and you think that a 20th of an inch of aliminum is going to stop the signal.
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Exceptional point!
I have a black aluminum case as well... my signal is just fine...
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Plus, unless you have extensively tested this theory. I doubt that your case is making your signal quality go down. Since the signal is transmitted so far away and makes it through so many metallic and non-metallic obstacles, yet your phone picks it up. Now, it does all of that, and you think that a 20th of an inch of aliminum is going to stop the signal. Maybe, but I would try something else before trashing the case. Just an opinion. Hope this helps.
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I have tried it out in numerous situations, there are of course some situations where i get full bars with the case or with out but there are many (including my home) where with the case i will get 1 -2 bars and seconds after taking it out of the case the signal will go up by 2 or 3 bars. Put in the case, wait a couple of seconds and again the down to 1 - 2 bars. I didn't think a thin sheet of aluminium would effect the signal either, maybe its the lining or even the finish on the case.
Don't those signal boosters eat up the battery?
jacknmary said:
For Fathers Day, I got a black/silver carbon fiber case... looks damn sexy with the black wallpaper on Kavanas ROM. No signal probs at all.
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You wouldn't happen to have any links to that product?
Im sorry...I bought it at the local mall. A phone accessory vendor had it. cost me 20, and I'd be happy to pick one up for you if you wanted to paypal the cash.
Ill post a pic soon...
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Exceptional point!
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Yes.. it sounds good! But, not a very educated point that's for sure... hehe
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Dude, I am dead serious about my phone looking sweet. I can tell you do too, hence the aluminum case. So, here's what you do, go back to ebay and get one of those antenna boosters. It's a freakin strip you put on your battery or something, it's toilet paper thin. It takes up no space. Try it. It might help, and then you wouldn't have to sacrifice the cool case. It's worth a shot.
Plus, unless you have extensively tested this theory. I doubt that your case is making your signal quality go down. Since the signal is transmitted so far away and makes it through so many metallic and non-metallic obstacles, yet your phone picks it up. Now, it does all of that, and you think that a 20th of an inch of aliminum is going to stop the signal. Maybe, but I would try something else before trashing the case. Just an opinion. Hope this helps.
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The battery booster idea... yeah. Not happening. Unless you engineer a way to actually improve the phone's internal "antenna" with that sticker (because that's all it is), it's not going to improve anything, but maybe make your battery door wobble less.
The way cell phones transmit their signals is a little different... Our phones don't emit radiowaves with a lot of power. The receiving towers have very high gain amplifiers that amplify these incoming signal VERY much in order to make them usable, and send them out to our phones at a very high power. If our phones emitted with the same wattage, we'd probably have brain cancer in a month. That's why it's important to look at SAR values when shopping for a phone. Our Excaliburs aren't too bad in that category...
You'll notice that ALL mettalic phones have a plastic panel SOMEWHERE on the case. The Iphone for example... black plastic at the bottom. The LG Shine which is all stainless steel, has a plastic cap at the top. These areas is where the antenna "array" is mounted. Why ? Because a mettalic case around it will effectively BLOCK the signal. Our Excalibur's antenna is at the top of phone, so make that area is clear of metallic obstructions in order to get a good signal
Oh and a piece of 1/20 inch aluminum will definitely STOP the signal IF it covers the phone all the way around. It acts like a cage for it. This is why when you open up a phone, you'll see these metal panels over the various radio chips on the phone's motherboard. They're put there to block radio interferance. Now if his case has holes in it, that's where the signal gets in , to the antenna. If those "holes" arent strategically placed, it will make radio waves not reach the antenna at full power, thus making his signal bars drop...
hmmmm.... i use a metal case that completely covers my phone (top included) and i have absolutely no loss in signal strength.... There are currently two types of metal cases for the HTC Excalibur (excluding colors) with minor diffferences between the two:
this one: http://www.pdair.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=10100000_900000_11000048&products_id=5295#thumb , which the top is left open and the edging around the keys are weird (i've owned this one and it sucks cuz your phone has a tendency to slide around)
and this one: http://www.ids.hk/item_detail.asp?C...e&itemID=40D714A9-0AFE-473B-A1D7-6346E7A8AF39 , this is the one i own ( albeit not from that site ) the entire top is covered. and the edging around the keys is a lot better.
Specifically all these cases sell with tag names: Monaco Aluminum Case, Metal Case, Metal Deluxe Case. and Innopocket Metal Case.
The one titled Innopocket Metal Case is the one you're going to want to get. It fits the phone better. and is better constructed.
I have the exact case posted in the opening thread (Monaco with open top). The Dash can move around a little but I am comfortable with this because it helps with screen adjustment depending on your angle of use. I never use the belt clip. I just orient it a certain way and use the original Dash belt holder (extra protection). I like the cool feel of the aluminum vs. the rubbery feel of the Dash. Also unlike the Dash, the aluminum case has little feet to better release sound and help with cooling when lying flat.
In any case I get great signals with or without the case in my area. But I have a friend that has like two levels of screens and mesh on the windows and doors. Kind of like the stuff high tech companies put on the windows to prevent signal theft of computer processors and such. If I open the case inside my signal strength does increase. But I don't complain because many cant even get a signal inside. So I guess it's true that under some circumstances, even the open top aluminum case impedes signal strength.
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... and you think that a 20th of an inch of aliminum is going to stop the signal. Maybe, but I would try something else before trashing the case. Just an opinion. Hope this helps.
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Guess you've never thought of how a coaxial cable works (Cable TV). The shield on that cable is much smaller than 1/20th in. and it seems to do a pretty good job of keeping foreign signals out.
jacknmary said:
For Fathers Day, I got a black/silver carbon fiber case... looks damn sexy with the black wallpaper on Kavanas ROM. No signal probs at all.
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oh wow i had an exact case for my dash when i had it
pudgedaddy said:
hmmmm.... i use a metal case that completely covers my phone (top included) and i have absolutely no loss in signal strength.... There are currently two types of metal cases for the HTC Excalibur (excluding colors) with minor diffferences between the two:
this one: http://www.pdair.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=10100000_900000_11000048&products_id=5295#thumb , which the top is left open and the edging around the keys are weird (i've owned this one and it sucks cuz your phone has a tendency to slide around)
and this one: http://www.ids.hk/item_detail.asp?C...e&itemID=40D714A9-0AFE-473B-A1D7-6346E7A8AF39 , this is the one i own ( albeit not from that site ) the entire top is covered. and the edging around the keys is a lot better.
Specifically all these cases sell with tag names: Monaco Aluminum Case, Metal Case, Metal Deluxe Case. and Innopocket Metal Case.
The one titled Innopocket Metal Case is the one you're going to want to get. It fits the phone better. and is better constructed.
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The case i have is identical to your first link except the back of my case has less holes (top right of the back). I wonder if making some holes in the same area would help.
How do you find the belt clip for the case you bought? Is it hardy enough for regular use?
Thanks
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The case i have is identical to your first link except the back of my case has less holes (top right of the back). I wonder if making some holes in the same area would help.
How do you find the belt clip for the case you bought? Is it hardy enough for regular use?
Thanks
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Did your case not come with a belt clip? Heck i'd give you 2 two i have if you were down the street from me. I don't use them. Not that i hate the reliability, but i'm very skiddish having "my baby" left out in the open to get lost. But if you're didnt come with one, chances are it would work with any variation. The back of both cases i posted have a screw hole in the miggle of the back of it that a metal nub screws into. Thats what lock onto the clip when its on your belt. Without that screw hole or metal nub, you're dead in the water
Oh it came with a clip, and said clip fell apart after a days use :-(. I'm looking at the version of the case you have the clip mechanism looks different.
I was just trying to help, so sorry if anyone feels mislead.
Well, it would seem that if I want to get a response out of someone, all I should do is say something slightly objectionable, MAN.
A simple no, I don't think that's how it works could have done the job. It's cool I have thick skin. LOL!
I do wanna add, though, that metals do not possess the exact same properties across the board. What I mean is, iron and aluminum are both metals, but aluminum is not magnetic because it is not a ferrous metal such as iron or one of its alloys, steel. I do want to add also, that I understand the radio chip concept and the metal cage placed around it to keep interference out. This does not mean that the chip cage is made of aluminum. I am not saying that it is, but I doubt it. Isn't aluminum used as an antenna for radios? Just saying, you think if it makes a good radio antenna or tv antenna, that it would make a good cellular radio antenna.
OrganicM said:
The battery booster idea... yeah. Not happening. Unless you engineer a way to actually improve the phone's internal "antenna" with that sticker (because that's all it is), it's not going to improve anything, but maybe make your battery door wobble less.
The way cell phones transmit their signals is a little different... Our phones don't emit radiowaves with a lot of power. The receiving towers have very high gain amplifiers that amplify these incoming signal VERY much in order to make them usable, and send them out to our phones at a very high power. If our phones emitted with the same wattage, we'd probably have brain cancer in a month. That's why it's important to look at SAR values when shopping for a phone. Our Excaliburs aren't too bad in that category...
You'll notice that ALL mettalic phones have a plastic panel SOMEWHERE on the case. The Iphone for example... black plastic at the bottom. The LG Shine which is all stainless steel, has a plastic cap at the top. These areas is where the antenna "array" is mounted. Why ? Because a mettalic case around it will effectively BLOCK the signal. Our Excalibur's antenna is at the top of phone, so make that area is clear of metallic obstructions in order to get a good signal
Oh and a piece of 1/20 inch aluminum will definitely STOP the signal IF it covers the phone all the way around. It acts like a cage for it. This is why when you open up a phone, you'll see these metal panels over the various radio chips on the phone's motherboard. They're put there to block radio interferance. Now if his case has holes in it, that's where the signal gets in , to the antenna. If those "holes" arent strategically placed, it will make radio waves not reach the antenna at full power, thus making his signal bars drop...
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Also, I wasn't expecting this kind of a reponse out of you, xticon, oops, xciton. Wow, very insightful. Could you please explain to me the purpose of this "shield" as far as the coaxial cable is concerned. I always thought it was there as a ground or to create a potential difference for the signal. Guess, I am wrong. Could and would you please clarify, since I appear to be retarded. Thanks, buddy!
xciton said:
Guess you've never thought of how a coaxial cable works (Cable TV). The shield on that cable is much smaller than 1/20th in. and it seems to do a pretty good job of keeping foreign signals out.
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Belt clips attached to the phone always break or come apart somehow. I'm with Pudgedaddy, I would never leave my baby dangling over the edge like that. LOL
I recently received my black Devilcase aluminium bumper case today in the mail off Amazon and took some pictures. I haven't had it nearly long enough to comment on its performance, but I'd say so far that it's pretty damn good. I've taken pictures of the bumper on my black HTC One and my friend's silver One as well.
Below is the packaging. Came with the bumpers screwed together with two screws, a small screwdriver and a spare screw. The spare screw was a nice thought as I almost immediately lost one of the screws on my carpeted floor. The bumpers are definitely not going to fall apart, though since it covers the SIM slot, if you're ever out and you need to get the SIM out, you're out of luck unless you plan on carrying very small screwdrivers and a paperclip to eject the SIM slot.
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Bumpers: Both bumpers are lined with a soft rubbery material. The volume rocker cover is actually quite nice and I think it makes it easier to adjust the volume with the bumpers than when the phone was naked since the rocker is raised. There is a gap between the power button and headphone jack since the back is rounded, which I've included below.
After installation: The bumpers are slightly higher on the corners, which I feel improves your grip on the One. My black One also has a fullbody Skinomi protector, though I cut off the sides on the back protector
Volume rocker:
On the silver One:
Gap: There is a gap on the power button and headphone jack since the One has a curved back. Not a big deal at all since the bumpers have to be straight. Is also a good indicator of how much space is placed between the phone and the edge of the bumper if you were to place it flat against a surface.
As for the back of the phone... I would recommend a protector on the back. The bumper raises the phone slightly off a table surface, but if you were to slide the phone around or if there was any dirt or grit on the table, I'm not the bumper would keep the phone away from that... I suppose it's a personal choice, but I like the extra peace of mind. In regards to the front of the phone, you can clearly see the bumper around it, but again, I would recommend a screen protector. I found Skinomi's full body protector to be affordable ($15 on amazon) and easy to install (would also recommend cutting off the edges on the back that are supposed to fold over onto the sides with scissors or x-acto knife and ruler before installing... the edges really don't stick very well and you won't need them if you're using the Devilcase).
The gaps on the power button and headphone jack don't bother me and I think it even helps me find the power button since it's so flat. I forgot to include a picture, but there is a hole for the microphone, so the bumper does not cover it.
In conclusion, I'm so far very satisfied with the Devilcase. I think it's a great case and would go very well with a back and front screen protector. To be fair, I have no idea how well it'd hold up compared to a beast of a case like an OtterBox, but I believe the OtterBox is probably considerably larger (and not as good-looking) as the Devilcase and I think that's just comparing apples and oranges... both are different types of cases and fulfill different needs. For myself, I'm just looking for a case that won't substantially increase the size of the One and can still over some to good protection against minor drops and scratches and slim cases like the Nillkin are what I usually gravitate to, but the Nillkin does not cover ALL sides of the One, such as the top, bottom and volume rocker, and dirt can get in-between the case and phone. Personally, I think the Devilcase is sturdy, great looking, improves my grip on the phone as well as the buttons, so I'd call this a keeper
Did you have a chance to test the signal? Can you let us know where you live? Big city or small town?
Thanks for the great detail review. It's very useful. I'm gonna get one :good:
pacion said:
Did you have a chance to test the signal? Can you let us know where you live? Big city or small town?
Thanks for the great detail review. It's very useful. I'm gonna get one :good:
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I haven't done a signal test like checking the signal strength before and after the bumper, but I'm honestly not worried about it. A bumper like this would not affect the signal given how HTC designed the One. I have used the phone while out and can say that I did not experience any signal loss where I should have had service.
cassull said:
I haven't done a signal test like checking the signal strength before and after the bumper, but I'm honestly not worried about it. A bumper like this would not affect the signal given how HTC designed the One. I have used the phone while out and can say that I did not experience any signal loss where I should have had service.
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I just got the case in silver and the case is effecting my signal for LTE. I'm on AT&T and in my house i get 2-3 bars of LTE, the second I put on the case I lose LTE completely. When i take off the case the LTE comes back on. I still do get 3-4 bars of HSPA with the case on so it looks like its just effecting the LTE for AT&T though
cassull said:
I haven't done a signal test like checking the signal strength before and after the bumper, but I'm honestly not worried about it. A bumper like this would not affect the signal given how HTC designed the One. I have used the phone while out and can say that I did not experience any signal loss where I should have had service.
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Any/all aluminum case/bumper will affect signal unless it is designed like ElementCase's with plastic inserts to disrupt it. It creates almost a mini field, which disrupts signal.
From a screenshot I saw before, the devilcase doesn't seem like it's the worst, although like above, it can become very noticeable if signal isn't the strongest already. 2-3 bars LTE going to 0 LTE is a pretty big deal
pewpewbangbang said:
Any/all aluminum case/bumper will affect signal unless it is designed like ElementCase's with plastic inserts to disrupt it. It creates almost a mini field, which disrupts signal.
From a screenshot I saw before, the devilcase doesn't seem like it's the worst, although like above, it can become very noticeable if signal isn't the strongest already. 2-3 bars LTE going to 0 LTE is a pretty big deal
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I suppose, but the antenna is also on the back of the phone as well. If it does affect signal, I doubt it would affect it very dramatically. I can't comment on personal anecdotes of other members, though, unless you checked the signal in the same exact spot and put the bumper on and off several times... it should be repeatable. But again, these are just my views.
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I suppose, but the antenna is also on the back of the phone as well. If it does affect signal, I doubt it would affect it very dramatically. I can't comment on personal anecdotes of other members, though, unless you checked the signal in the same exact spot and put the bumper on and off several times... it should be repeatable. But again, these are just my views.
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Yea, but the aluminum bumper will create basically a force field and if you know about force fields, it's essentially how should I say like in the shape of a sphere around the device.
The One design works in general because all the injected plastic keeps the aluminum body from touching each other and creating this field. The antennas are housed in it so there's no issues. Just like how the iPhone's since the 4 have had the antenna bands completely disconnecting the aluminum band around the phone. But if you connect these bands creating the antennagate problem you get the signal problems, which is like putting an all aluminum bumper around your phone (It just might not be as bad in this case)
All in all though, everyones experience will differ since no one will have the same scenario. Signal degradation will be far more noticeable to certain people, while barely noticeable to others. It's a toss up, but in general if signal in your area already isn't that great like around 3 bars. An aluminum bumper like this will make a bigger difference.
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I suppose, but the antenna is also on the back of the phone as well. If it does affect signal, I doubt it would affect it very dramatically. I can't comment on personal anecdotes of other members, though, unless you checked the signal in the same exact spot and put the bumper on and off several times... it should be repeatable. But again, these are just my views.
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It seems like with the bumper on it is only effecting the LTE. I really wanted to keep the case so I tested it over 10 times in my home office. I basically sat in the same spot, had the phone naked and I would have 2 bars of LTE, once I put the case on, within 30 sec to a minute, the LTE would disappear and I would have 3 bars of HSPA. The signal works fine and I have no problem making phone calls and stuff but since I do a lot of web browsing and use the tethering option, the loss of LTE with the case is a big deal for me. For someone that doesn't need the LTE, i wouldn't imagine this would be a problem. once again, this is only for AT&T.
If anyone else has AT&T and has the case, can they tell me if they have the problem also?
Thanks.
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It seems like with the bumper on it is only effecting the LTE. I really wanted to keep the case so I tested it over 10 times in my home office. I basically sat in the same spot, had the phone naked and I would have 2 bars of LTE, once I put the case on, within 30 sec to a minute, the LTE would disappear and I would have 3 bars of HSPA. The signal works fine and I have no problem making phone calls and stuff but since I do a lot of web browsing and use the tethering option, the loss of LTE with the case is a big deal for me. For someone that doesn't need the LTE, i wouldn't imagine this would be a problem. once again, this is only for AT&T.
If anyone else has AT&T and has the case, can they tell me if they have the problem also?
Thanks.
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It's just because signal isn't the strongest in your area. It's affecting all signal, not just LTE. LTE just isn't as strong of a signal compared to HSPA etc...It's like going from HSPA to EDGE when your signal gets weak. Anyone else with a similar situation will experience the same problem. This is not a new issue, aluminum bumpers started with the iPhone 4 (I assume since that's the first I played around with them and saw them more widespread on the internet). The kinks have been ironed out though with ElementCase at least though. I'm surprised no other brand has really followed in it's design choice to really fix the signal degradation problem.
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It seems like with the bumper on it is only effecting the LTE. I really wanted to keep the case so I tested it over 10 times in my home office. I basically sat in the same spot, had the phone naked and I would have 2 bars of LTE, once I put the case on, within 30 sec to a minute, the LTE would disappear and I would have 3 bars of HSPA. The signal works fine and I have no problem making phone calls and stuff but since I do a lot of web browsing and use the tethering option, the loss of LTE with the case is a big deal for me. For someone that doesn't need the LTE, i wouldn't imagine this would be a problem. once again, this is only for AT&T.
If anyone else has AT&T and has the case, can they tell me if they have the problem also?
Thanks.
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I'm on AT&T, but through Straight Talk, so I don't get 4G or LTE. I did check signal strength before and after the bumper install, but there was virtually little to not change, so I'm afraid I couldn't say why you're losing LTE signal.
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I took a video so you guys can see what I am talking about but I wasn't able to upload it since i don't have 10 posts I can't post the link to youtube. If anyone wants to help me out upload the video or tell me how I can attach a link or do the youtube on here I can show you guys what i'm talking about.
On the video you can see it go from 2 bars on 4G LTE then when I put on the case it completely drops LTE and goes to 1 bar on HSPA. I'm not knocking the case in anyway. I would love to keep the case but there is definitely a interference for me on this case. Everyone though will be different but I thought I would share my experience (once again this is ONLY on AT&T).
Thanks
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I took a video so you guys can see what I am talking about but I wasn't able to upload it since i don't have 10 posts I can't post the link to youtube. If anyone wants to help me out upload the video or tell me how I can attach a link or do the youtube on here I can show you guys what i'm talking about.
On the video you can see it go from 2 bars on 4G LTE then when I put on the case it completely drops LTE and goes to 1 bar on HSPA. I'm not knocking the case in anyway. I would love to keep the case but there is definitely a interference for me on this case. Everyone though will be different but I thought I would share my experience (once again this is ONLY on AT&T).
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You can PM me the link if you really want, but yea....doesn't matter that your on AT&T. It will happen to anyone on any network. The severity just depends on each persons location etc...
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You can PM me the link if you really want, but yea....doesn't matter that your on AT&T. It will happen to anyone on any network. The severity just depends on each persons location etc...
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I never heard of this force field theory...
If you mean electromagnetic fields that DO disrupt radio signals because they interfere... I dont see how a piece of aluminum surrounding the phone can have an EM field?
Like someone else said, the antennas on this phone are on the back (those white lines). I remember seeing it described that way in a design video as well...
Not sure how much affect there would be from blocking the side plastic.
I really doubt that should make a big difference though, cause guess what, if blocking the sides causes an issue, then thats the whole iPhone death grip fiasco again..
Anyway, I'll wait for more reviews before I buy this bumper as well. It looks great, thanks OP for the pics.
I want the silver, but it seems like only Blue is left in stock, ohw ell.
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I asked a friend about the signal issue and he suggested placing insulation in between the phone and bumpers. There's already that soft rubbery material I had mentioned in my original post (which is probably exactly for this issue) that should have been enough to compensate for the signal, but perhaps yours does not have enough? The material is pretty thin, but all it needs to do is keep both antennas from maintaining contact from each other with the bumper. I'd suggest checking to see if maybe your bumpers don't have them.
Nippero said:
I never heard of this force field theory...
If you mean electromagnetic fields that DO disrupt radio signals because they interfere... I dont see how a piece of aluminum surrounding the phone can have an EM field?
Like someone else said, the antennas on this phone are on the back (those white lines). I remember seeing it described that way in a design video as well...
Not sure how much affect there would be from blocking the side plastic.
I really doubt that should make a big difference though, cause guess what, if blocking the sides causes an issue, then thats the whole iPhone death grip fiasco again..
Anyway, I'll wait for more reviews before I buy this bumper as well. It looks great, thanks OP for the pics.
I want the silver, but it seems like only Blue is left in stock, ohw ell.
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It's not a force field theory... It's a Faraday box or cage... interesting stuff. If you want to understand how it works, link below!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage
And, if you don't feel like reading... Wal-Mart is pretty much a big Faraday Box!
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I asked a friend about the signal issue and he suggested placing insulation in between the phone and bumpers. There's already that soft rubbery material I had mentioned in my original post (which is probably exactly for this issue) that should have been enough to compensate for the signal, but perhaps yours does not have enough? The material is pretty thin, but all it needs to do is keep both antennas from maintaining contact from each other with the bumper. I'd suggest checking to see if maybe your bumpers don't have them.
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miamibest, take cassull's advice and check your padding, eliminate any and all metal to metal contact (even speaker grills) and see if that helps.
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It's not a force field theory... It's a Faraday box or cage... interesting stuff. If you want to understand how it works, link below!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage
And, if you don't feel like reading... Wal-Mart is pretty much a big Faraday Box!
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My mistake.
Took a quick read, interesting.
But from what I get, the conductive material used as a shield/cage has to either be charged or grounded? And this case would be neither.
Again, correct me if I'm wrong. Because if its that easy to create a Faraday cage, then doesnt the aluminum of the phone itself already create the cage, as that is much more aluminum than the bumper itself.
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My mistake.
Took a quick read, interesting.
But from what I get, the conductive material used as a shield/cage has to either be charged or grounded? And this case would be neither.
Again, correct me if I'm wrong. Because if its that easy to create a Faraday cage, then doesnt the aluminum of the phone itself already create the cage, as that is much more aluminum than the bumper itself.
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The aluminum already has charged particles on it before any external source touches it. And when the conductive material gets charged from an external object, the positive and negative charged particles in the material disperse to opposite sides of the surface, particles with the opposite charge of the source being attracted. Since they are on opposite sides, this creates opposing electric fields, negating the charge on the inside of the shell.
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So when the EM waves (radio waves) get to the phone this phenomena happens.
Depends on the cage's construction. Mesh holes, and conductivity of the material affect the cage's effectiveness, and can be tweaked depending on what frequency/wavelength you want to penetrate. to In the One's case, it's designed for signals to get in via those white strips on the back.
EDIT: Boo my little diagram didn't come out exactly as I wanted, but basically that.
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EDIT: Boo my little diagram didn't come out exactly as I wanted, but basically that.
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Lmao, I think I get what you're trying to say though. Interesting stuff. Would have to do more reading to understand it.
But anyway, so far from reading the reviews on iPhone version as well, results seem hit and miss? Hm.
I can confirm the signal gets weaker w/ the case on. It's fine at places with strong signal, but at my house with only 1 bar on LTE (ATT), the phone drops LTE n go to HSPA with the case. I have kinda a workaround where i put a tiny spacer (rolled up scotch tape) on the bottom of the phone to create a tiny gap, and the LTE stopped dropping.
Gadgetwhore has a post on 3rd party metal bands. I see the warning from Moto about possible interference with radios, but I'm still very tempted... especially when one is only $12 from Amazon. What do you guys think?
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Gadgetwhore has a post on 3rd party metal bands. I see the warning from Moto about possible interference with radios, but I'm still very tempted... especially when one is only $12 from Amazon. What do you guys think?
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Meh. I say just get a band that you like and put it on. Maybe we should get people to post pictures of their M360 with their aftermarket metal band along with a purchase link and any special information so people could get one if they like it? But only bands that are actually confirmed as compatible and being used by the poster. Not to hijack or anything.
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Meh. I say just get a band that you like and put it on. Maybe we should get people to post pictures of their M360 with their aftermarket metal band along with a purchase link and any special information so people could get one if they like it? But only bands that are actually confirmed as compatible and being used by the poster. Not to hijack or anything.
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Already thread in general forum.
Ian B
Stopped by the store and picked up the pebble steel band but didn't like how it tapered down. Had this new band installed at a jewelers yesterday..
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Stopped by the store and picked up the pebble steel band but didn't like how it tapered down. Had this new band installed at a jewelers yesterday..
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That looks sweet! So I take it that band was purchased at the jewelry store, do you mind if I ask how much it was for the band and installation?
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That looks sweet! So I take it that band was purchased at the jewelry store, do you mind if I ask how much it was for the band and installation?
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Yes, it was around $80 installed.
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Yes, it was around $80 installed.
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You're joking, right . Your band looks great, but that's a lot, especially considering the finish of your band. It looks like it will scratch up like crazy.
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You're joking, right . Your band looks great, but that's a lot, especially considering the finish of your band. It looks like it will scratch up like crazy.
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Well actually he paid the exact cost of what Moto will charge people to buy the metal bands separately later this year...
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Well actually he paid the exact cost of what Moto will charge people to buy the metal bands separately later this year...
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Yes, of that I am quite aware. Anyone who buys that ugly band...I deeply pity them - it looks like trash compared to their original (beautiful) render. They didn't even get the right dimensions when they created the connecting point. Have you seen the Engadget pics of it? It sticks out so far from the watch as if it's some cheap attachment. Paying $80 for that garbage?
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Yes, of that I am quite aware. Anyone who buys that ugly band...I deeply pity them - it looks like trash compared to their original (beautiful) render. They didn't even get the right dimensions when they created the connecting point. Have you seen the Engadget pics of it? It sticks out so far from the watch as if it's some cheap attachment. Paying $80 for that garbage?
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The really interesting thing about that photo is it shows the official band doesn't just clip in, it has some sort of plastic adapter. The iFixit review thought that the outer steel casing was grounded to the internals. Motorola claimed metal bands can cause interference. If that's the case, maybe this plastic adapter is to ensure the metal band never touches the metal case, since the case may be the antenna?
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Stopped by the store and picked up the pebble steel band but didn't like how it tapered down. Had this new band installed at a jewelers yesterday..
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Have you experienced any interference with the bluetooth?
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The really interesting thing about that photo is it shows the official band doesn't just clip in, it has some sort of plastic adapter. The iFixit review thought that the outer steel casing was grounded to the internals. Motorola claimed metal bands can cause interference. If that's the case, maybe this plastic adapter is to ensure the metal band never touches the metal case, since the case may be the antenna?
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This could very well be true or just a fabrication so that people only buy their metal band. Just look at all the bands everyone is trying/discussing and successfully using. Moto knew this might happen, but probably didn't expect it to this degree. So I guess, the only story for them to get any sales at all would be to say something like this plastic adapter only comes with and fits our metal band. So if you don't want interference, you can only buy our band, until some company makes a plastic piece themselves and charges 3-5 dollars for it. Then, their argument is completely shot, lol.
If you are interested here are some of the best looking watch strap for Moto360 smartwatch I think
http://www.smartwatchappcenter.com/best-motobest-moto360-watch-strap-replacement-steel-watch-band-for-black-moto360.html
senseijuan said:
If you are interested here are some of the best looking watch strap for Moto360 smartwatch I think
http://www.smartwatchappcenter.com/...ement-steel-watch-band-for-black-moto360.html
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Although they are all black only.
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opasha said:
Yes, of that I am quite aware. Anyone who buys that ugly band...I deeply pity them - it looks like trash compared to their original (beautiful) render. They didn't even get the right dimensions when they created the connecting point. Have you seen the Engadget pics of it? It sticks out so far from the watch as if it's some cheap attachment. Paying $80 for that garbage?
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I like that stock metal band, it looks very nice. I think the reason it looks nicer than any aftermarket one is that it's oversized, you can see that the band is wider than the slot it fits into. I'd guess it's at least 24mm and also it doesn't taper.. It's such a huge watch it needs a very wide strap otherwise it looks cheesy.
I can see the attachment point looking odd if you have thin wrists, as the person in your pictures does. Then when it exits out it makes a sharp 90 degree turn down and looks like it doesn't belong, a curved adapter like many watchband have would have solved this. I'll bet it looks good with a thicker wrist though.
Here is a pic of the moto band unattached, I don't think its a plastic adapter at all. It looks like the attachment points are simply tapered down arms.
I got a relic band, it's stainless steel and I have had it on for about a day and no issues with any signal or anything
So the are not offering the band they originally showed with the watch? That was a huge buying decision for me
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So the are not offering the band they originally showed with the watch? That was a huge buying decision for me
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they are, but at a later date. For early adopters they will offer the band for a special price.
Hey guys,
we in Germany must wait till 10/09 to buy the moto360.
I am searching right now for a metal band. Before I buy one should i know how the surface is. Is it glossy or mat?
I am deciding between these two:
Glossy:
http://www.uhrenarmband-versand.de/Uhrenbandversand-p18413h572s2721-Uhrenarmband-Edelsta.html
Mat:
http://www.uhrenarmband-versand.de/Uhrenbandversand-p18417h572s2721-Uhrenarmband-Edelsta.html
Thanks
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WingnutStrikesBack said:
Hey guys,
we in Germany must wait till 10/09 to buy the moto360.
I am searching right now for a metal band. Before I buy one should i know how the surface is. Is it glossy or mat?
I am deciding between these two:
Glossy:
http://www.uhrenarmband-versand.de/Uhrenbandversand-p18413h572s2721-Uhrenarmband-Edelsta.html
Mat:
http://www.uhrenarmband-versand.de/Uhrenbandversand-p18417h572s2721-Uhrenarmband-Edelsta.html
Thanks
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The finish of the Moto360 is pretty reflective/glossy but not too glossy. Here are two completely different watch bands with the black.
1) Pebble Steel Black Metal Band: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55450516&postcount=10
2) Glossy Black Metal Band: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=55338761&postcount=105
Here's the full thread for watch bands: http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-360/general/thread-to-discuss-22mm-watch-bands-t2868429
www.engadget.com/2014/11/06/moto360-metal-bands/?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000602
http://www.engadget.com/2014/09/05/...vity&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
And they are expanding the leather options with some from DODO case, PLUS they are finally adding the winning watch face from the face-off contest!
What happened to the good looking one in all the promo shots?
Is it me or are there still no links to actually purchase the band's separately?
Takin Notes..
Yup.. Seems like they ain't releasing the bands separately
So they're here, but not here. Thanks Motorola.
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What happened to the good looking one in all the promo shots?
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Indeed, that one looks much better. This new one looks crap.
Apparently ATT has the bands available individually now...
http://www.droid-life.com/2014/11/0...al-individual-watch-bands-right-now-from-att/
I can't tell if the "Gray Lether" is the initial Gray, or the Stone Gray (Based on Moto's Blog it should be STONE Gray)
Amazon has a listing for the "Dark Metal" band -> http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Mobi...sbs_cps_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=0B9DJ4AVD63GXN0XAJB7 but its not available yet.
$80 for the metal bands?????????????????????????????????????????????
Thats crazy.
Are these bands even available for pickup anywhere? Or is this online order only
Went into an AT&T store today and the people there said that it's online order only.
More coming...
I missed that there are pictures of the future bands are available at -> https://drive.google.com/?tab=mo&authuser=0&pli=1#folders/0B8Kpi4PsQvSQVFBDRk1LOHA4ZGs
(link is found at the bottom of http://motorola-blog.blogspot.com/2014/11/moto-360-choose-watch-that-fits-your.html )
The pictures there show the Cognac_Leather, DoDo_Pumpkin_Tan, Dodo_Red, Dodo_Slate_Blue, Dodo_Teal, Tylt_Black, Tylt_Navy, Tylt_Olive, Tylt_Purple
Kind of interesting.
I wonder when they will the rest will be available, and from where?
It's probably a little over priced, but I just ordered one of the silver steel bands. If it saves my plastic from cracking it's worth it. I tried a Pebble band and it's ok I'm just really nervous the back will crank, I even Dremeled it a bit but it doesn't seem to take much stress off the edge of the plastic bottom. I will post back with pictures and more details of how it turns out if you guys want. And I'm not willing to void my warranty installing the super engineer 2 band, or whatever it's called, which also costs 80$ for the band.
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It's probably a little over priced, but I just ordered one of the silver steel bands. If it saves my plastic from cracking it's worth it. I tried a Pebble band and it's ok I'm just really nervous the back will crank, I even Dremeled it a bit but it doesn't seem to take much stress off the edge of the plastic bottom. I will post back with pictures and more details of how it turns out if you guys want. And I'm not willing to void my warranty installing the super engineer 2 band, or whatever it's called, which also costs 80$ for the band.
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Do post pictures of how the band fits into the watch, when you have it installed. [emoji4]
DrPopper said:
It's probably a little over priced, but I just ordered one of the silver steel bands. If it saves my plastic from cracking it's worth it. I tried a Pebble band and it's ok I'm just really nervous the back will crank, I even Dremeled it a bit but it doesn't seem to take much stress off the edge of the plastic bottom. I will post back with pictures and more details of how it turns out if you guys want. And I'm not willing to void my warranty installing the super engineer 2 band, or whatever it's called, which also costs 80$ for the band.
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do you have a link for the silver band?
Im concerned about the size of the bands. Im at rep at AT&T, and when we got in the moto 360 with the dark metal band i tried it on. It was really tight! Im a big guy, but not big enough were my wrists would be above average girth, so for an average male those bands are small. Are they sold in sizes? Can you add links to the band? I looked inside the box and there were no extra links. Am I going to have to buy the watch that comes with the metal band AND buy an additional metal band just to get links out of it to add to the main? Anyone know?
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Im concerned about the size of the bands. Im at rep at AT&T, and when we got in the moto 360 with the dark metal band i tried it on. It was really tight! Im a big guy, but not big enough were my wrists would be above average girth, so for an average male those bands are small. Are they sold in sizes? Can you add links to the band? I looked inside the box and there were no extra links. Am I going to have to buy the watch that comes with the metal band AND buy an additional metal band just to get links out of it to add to the main? Anyone know?
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Everywhere I've read has said it comes with 4 extra links. One guy said he couldn't find them like you, but upon further inspection of the packaging, they were in a little paper envelope. Maybe you just missed it?
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Everywhere I've read has said it comes with 4 extra links. One guy said he couldn't find them like you, but upon further inspection of the packaging, they were in a little paper envelope. Maybe you just missed it?
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Its possible! I inspected the box very quickly because I was on the clock, lol. I will check again first thing tomorrow! Just to be sure, you are referring to the watch that already comes with the band, not the band by itself, correct?
darkleafar said:
Its possible! I inspected the box very quickly because I was on the clock, lol. I will check again first thing tomorrow! Just to be sure, you are referring to the watch that already comes with the band, not the band by itself, correct?
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Correct. The one that costs $299 and comes with the metal band instead of the leather band. I've been holding out this entire time for the metal band version to finally be released, and I ordered it from Best Buy today. Getting it shipped to store, so should be here in a few days. Can't wait.
Has anyone actually found the metal band in the wild yet, or is AT&T the only place you can get them? For anyone who has ordered from AT&T, how long did it take to get the band?
Hi all,
I am in the UK and gave received my pixel 6 pro in the sorta sunny variant and it has the plastic cut out at the top. My understanding was the only US carrier variants would have this, can anyone confirm their UK version also has the cut out at the top.
Thanks
mmWave requires the cutout to work
UK Stormy pro, no cutout on mine
What does it say on the back of the box, mine says not compatible with 5G mmWave.
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UK Stormy pro, no cutout on mine
What does it say on the back of the box, mine says not compatible with 5G mmWave.
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Mine also says non compatible with mmWave, I feel as though I've had a US variant packed in a UK box. Has the cut out at the top which I've heard shouldn't be the case for the UK variant.
I wasn't aware of an external difference. Pics?
The standard Pixel 6 does not have the antenna header due to lack of mmWave, even on most North American models. Given that the Pixel 6 Pro supports mmWave in North America, It's unclear whether Google redesigned the top of it for Europe or just left that antenna header there. It probably helps improve reception regardless. Probably the best thing about the black model is that the header blends into the frame better than the white or sunny models.
Black has the same header but, as stated above, the colour makes it barely noticeable (edit: UK)
My mistake is that the matt bit along the top, I thought it was a physical cutout. Yes mine is the same.
One thing I have noticed is that where my 3XL got a 4G signal in my house no problems, the 6P is showing H+ until I go outside.
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My mistake is that the matt bit along the top, I thought it was a physical cutout. Yes mine is the same.
One thing I have noticed is that where my 3XL got a 4G signal in my house no problems, the 6P is showing H+ until I go outside.
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What? That's bad
got my sunny yellow this morning. The bit at the top is there although its pretty much the same colour as the bit above the camera so is barely noticable
mikemod said:
My mistake is that the matt bit along the top, I thought it was a physical cutout. Yes mine is the same.
One thing I have noticed is that where my 3XL got a 4G signal in my house no problems, the 6P is showing H+ until I go outside.
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Have you tried putting your phone into flight mode for a few mins then turning it off again?
This sometimes helps with this kind of issue.
Hope this is of some help
Keith W said:
Have you tried putting your phone into flight mode for a few mins then turning it off again?
This sometimes helps with this kind of issue.
Hope this is of some help
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Thanks Keith, There was an update came through this morning and now the phone seems to be getting 4G inside as well.
I had tried rebooting yesterday but it didn't help but looks like its ok now.
Thanks everyone, I just guess there is some misinformation out there at the moment then as I've seen a few places saying that the cut out is only for US variants with mmWave, assume it's one design for all and some have mmWave and some don't.