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I originally bought a Nexus 4 when they were first released and I also have a Note 2 provided by work. I don't get on with Touchwiz on the Note 2 but the black and colors overall seem superior on the Note 2 verses the Nexus 4. My device is mainly used for web browsing, Sky News, Pulse News, Tapatalk, YouTube, XBMC, Facebook, Twitter, and Banking.
Whilst the Nexus 4 still performs well, and has been looked after, it's starting to show it's age a little in terms of performance and the recent Google updates seem to have ruined the battery. And I like the screen size of the Note 2. Taking that into consideration I came across the G3 and now it's 'upgrade' time, I've just got a One M8 which I'm selling to fund my G3.
I like the idea of the 2k display which I appreciate isn't fully supported at the moment but hopefully will be in the future. I've only just moved onto a 4G tariff with EE and whilst 4G iasn't massively important to me, having a device that's futureproof 'is'. I know that the 855 will work fine across the RR 4G spectrum, and whilst the LTE-A trial is only in London at the moment, I'm semi tempted by the LTE-A support that the F460 has so that I don't need to change handsets again once this is rolled out in the UK.
However, in the last few days I've come across the F460 / Cat 6 and taking onboard the upgrade to the Snapdragon 805, Adreno 440 and LTE-A, I'm starting to wonder if I should be buying of these devices instead.
I've read plenty about both devices and whilst the hardware differences between the two are only slight, I'm getting the impression that the F460 spec is what the G3 should have been released with originally so that it handles the display better, and provides better FPS when gaming.
I'm sure the FPS and overall performance could be improved by removing the rooting and removing the bloatware, but unfortunately I can't root as my Barclays banking app won't run on a rooted device - and currently there isn't a way around this. I'd love to have rooted my Nexus 4 as all my Android devices going back to the G1 were rooted, but when I started banking with Barclays I couldn't root any longer.
I appreciate that it's early days yet for both the 855 and the 460, and there will be tons of software improvements and enhancements to both in the future, I'm just interested to hear from people that have had both and whether they would recommend spending the extra ££. Particularly as I'm going to be into my next handset for the longhaul, gone are the days when I buy a new handset every 6 months.
Any thoughts / comments would be appreciated
I have a D850, F460S and I had a F400S. The F460S is faster than the other two but during normal use you don't really see it as much. I notice the better performance when I play games on my F460S over the SD801/Adreno 330. You made a mistake the SD805 has the Adreno 420 GPU not the 440. My benchmarks are lower on antutu than my other two G3's. I think this is because antutu isn't optimized for the SD805.
For your banking app did you ever try Root Cloaker which can hide root status from any app. It work for ISIS wallet on my ATT D850. I really enjoy my F460 once I removed all of the SKT installed apps and put Nova launcher on it the phone seemed better. I don't like bloatware so I always uninstall all of it upfront.
This from a novice but the search will help. Will Xposed RootCloak solve your banking issue? Regardless interested in any experience on the F460 and best to jump from D850 or wait for the G4 (hopefully bootloader unlocked) next year.
Pilz said:
I have a D850, F460S and I had a F400S. The F460S is faster than the other two but during normal use you don't really see it as much. I notice the better performance when I play games on my F460S over the SD801/Adreno 330. You made a mistake the SD805 has the Adreno 420 GPU not the 440. My benchmarks are lower on antutu than my other two G3's. I think this is because antutu isn't optimized for the SD805.
For your banking app did you ever try Root Cloaker which can hide root status from any app. It work for ISIS wallet on my ATT D850. I really enjoy my F460 once I removed all of the SKT installed apps and put Nova launcher on it the phone seemed better. I don't like bloatware so I always uninstall all of it upfront.
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Thanks for your feedback and sorry for my mistake regarding the GPU, I've been reading about this rather a lot the last few days and I think I got my numbers muddled up!
Did you notice your FPS go up on the D850 once you'd removed the bloatware? My reason for asking is that if you have a look at this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyIeupge_w4 - the G3 [presumably 850 / 855] doesn't seem to do as well as the others and has issues with lag. One of the reasons that makes me think going for the F460 might be better.
I've never tried Root Cloaker but I did see it mentioned somewhere today and I did some reading. The dev does comment on the Barclays banking app but it sounds like the app can still detect that the device is rooted, therefore the dev has marked it as 'TBD'. Thanks for the suggestion though :good:
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Thanks for your feedback and sorry for my mistake regarding the GPU, I've been reading about this rather a lot the last few days and I think I got my numbers muddled up!
Did you notice your FPS go up on the D850 once you'd removed the bloatware? My reason for asking is that if you have a look at this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyIeupge_w4 - the G3 [presumably 850 / 855] doesn't seem to do as well as the others and has issues with lag. One of the reasons that makes me think going for the F460 might be better.
I've never tried Root Cloaker but I did see it mentioned somewhere today and I did some reading. The dev does comment on the Barclays banking app but it sounds like the app can still detect that the device is rooted, therefore the dev has marked it as 'TBD'. Thanks for the suggestion though :good:
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Go for the F460, s805 is quite better than s801, with both FWs optimized it will be noticeable, and if you are not going to change it soon, it will worth the extra money.
Pedrules81 said:
Go for the F460, s805 is quite better than s801, with both FWs optimized it will be noticeable, and if you are not going to change it soon, it will worth the extra money.
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Awesome! Many thanks for your suggestion
AP0ll0UK said:
Thanks for your feedback and sorry for my mistake regarding the GPU, I've been reading about this rather a lot the last few days and I think I got my numbers muddled up!
Did you notice your FPS go up on the D850 once you'd removed the bloatware? My reason for asking is that if you have a look at this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyIeupge_w4 - the G3 [presumably 850 / 855] doesn't seem to do as well as the others and has issues with lag. One of the reasons that makes me think going for the F460 might be better.
I've never tried Root Cloaker but I did see it mentioned somewhere today and I did some reading. The dev does comment on the Barclays banking app but it sounds like the app can still detect that the device is rooted, therefore the dev has marked it as 'TBD'. Thanks for the suggestion though :good:
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The FPS can go up slightly if you go into the hidden menu and you enable dynamic refresh at 60FPS. The CPU still gets hotter on my D850 than it does on my F460. The SD801 does a good job at handling the 2K screen, but the SD805 just does it better with the Adreno 420 GPU.
I'm thinking of buying a Mi Max, and I was wondering, how big is the difference between the models with 3 and 4 GB RAM (in terms of speed, reliability, power consumption etc.)? Meaning, is it worth paying more for the 128GB/4GB model (if you don't really need that much storage space), or should the 64GB/3GB model do just fine (since everything else is, as I understand, the same)?
And how stable is the unofficial CM13 for it? Are there any critical components that are not working at this time?
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I'm thinking of buying a Mi Max, and I was wondering, how big is the difference between the models with 3 and 4 GB RAM (in terms of speed, reliability, power consumption etc.)? Meaning, is it worth paying more for the 128GB/4GB model (if you don't really need that much storage space), or should the 64GB/3GB model do just fine (since everything else is, as I understand, the same)?
And how stable is the unofficial CM13 for it? Are there any critical components that are not working at this time?
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I doubt you can feel any performance difference between any of the Mi Maxes available, only in benchmarks... Go with whatever you feel comfortable.
CM is good enough as a daily driver for many of us here, no major issues and as a matter of fact I run it from day one which was 1 week after phone came out, never ran anything else on it and my job depends on my phone... Never had problems.
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I doubt you can feel any performance difference between any of the Mi Maxes available, only in benchmarks... Go with whatever you feel comfortable.
CM is good enough as a daily driver for many of us here, no major issues and as a matter of fact I run it from day one which was 1 week after phone came out, never ran anything else on it and my job depends on my phone... Never had problems.
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So you prefer cm to RR?
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So you prefer cm to RR?
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CM... RR is a little too much for me. I like it simple and add what I need. Also some xposed modules made for AOSP don't work on it because code is too much altered. Never had xposed module for AOSP not working on CM. CM is the closest you can get to AOSP with enough advanced features and settings.
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CM... RR is a little too much for me. I like it simple and add what I need. Also some xposed modules made for AOSP don't work on it because code is too much altered. Never had xposed module for AOSP not working on CM. CM is the closest you can get to AOSP with enough advanced features and settings.
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Yes, I like AOSP(slim would be better) + gravitybox more. Will you port slim to max please?
How's the connectivity doing on this device running CM? With Redmi Note 3, I've had were seemingly random issues such as only seeing 2G network (and not 3G/LTE), or being unable to connect to home wifi after one week.
Is it similar here?
Did you really want 64/128 gb version? I think, if phone has 32 gb internal storage, you don't need to pay more, because it's better to get MicroSD up to 256 GB (tested). If you want 2 sim cards, there is a mod, you can insert 2 sim's and MicroSD. Bought mine Snap 650 3/32 version from Xiaomi Authorized Store and tested it side by side with friends 4/128 gigs version ("best" version). And... I didn't believed my eyes, there was no difference. Snap 652 is just marketing thing, app/game performance is same as 650. Of course, more ram - more apps launched in the background, but 3 gigs is optimal (for the price). This phone is not "high end", so if price matters, get 3/32, it's the best price/performance version.
Well, yes. Here's how the current total price (including "gifts" and DHL delivery) stands between models:
128 GB - 298 EUR
64 GB - 246 EUR
32 GB - 220 EUR
So there really isn't much to think between 32 and 64.
All in all, before I decide (or change my mind), I'm also waiting for eventual comments regarding connectivity with this device running CM13 (it was bad on Redmi Note 3, and it is a game-killer).
It's your way to decide, which capacity will be enough for your needs. I didn't tested CM13 so much, but connectivities worked as good as with MIUI. Anyway, CM is not stable, you know it.
Like the others have said, from what I've heard there's no real-world difference between the 650/652 chipsets. Also note, there is a 16GB/2GB RAM version available for around £140/€155 shipped, which if you ask me is a ridiculous bargain!
I've noticed that both 32 and 64 GB models are now selling at about 209 EUR (plus delivery costs). LineageOS effect?
On the other hand, if You plan to take a load of photos / videos, or use Your phone as a music player with extra connectivity features, there's nothing wrong with hunting for a nice deal for the 128gb. It really is down to what You plan to use it for - if You're not media hungry it defeats the purpose. I got a nice deal on gearbest on the 128 - look out for flash sales - the amount of storage means I'll probably never need an sd card, but that option is there too should I be proven wrong at some point (I'm loading it up with FLAC music as soon as MIUI is out of the way).
The main difference is the 128gb has more fast internal storage, unlikely an sdcard you get will be as fast as internal.
I have the 2GB model and its fine with lineageOS. Less fine with stock rom, but still OK. 3 or 4 you will not notice the diff in daily use I personally guarantee you.
Me thinks that 3 GB would be enough. Running RR583 (hydrogen), have 1.2 const used, max 2.1 gb. With disabled big cores, the phone lives 4 days per charge.
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Me thinks that 3 GB would be enough. Running RR583 (hydrogen), have 1.2 const used, max 2.1 gb. With disabled big cores, the phone lives 4 days per charge.
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And here I was thinking I should pay extra for the 650 to 652 jump for 2 extra big cores. :laugh:
I know this topic has been discussed a few times already but i can't find the answers I'm looking for.
I don't know if i should go with the 128gb/4gb ram (helium) version or 32/gb ram (hydrogen) version.
My questions are:
1. Is there such a big difference in performance between the 4gb ram + snapdragon 652 and 3 gb ram + snapdragon 650? (~100$ price difference)
2 .Can you install hydrogen roms on helium? (miui for me doesn't seem very interesting)
The hydrogen community is a lot bigger than the helium one. (Probably because hydrogen has the same specs as the redmi note 3 pro)
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I know this topic has been discussed a few times already but i can't find the answers I'm looking for.
I don't know if i should go with the 128gb/4gb ram (helium) version or 32/gb ram (hydrogen) version.
My questions are:
1. Is there such a big difference in performance between the 4gb ram + snapdragon 652 and 3 gb ram + snapdragon 650? (~100$ price difference)
2 .Can you install hydrogen roms on helium? (miui for me doesn't seem very interesting)
The hydrogen community is a lot bigger than the helium one. (Probably because hydrogen has the same specs as the redmi note 3 pro)
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Not really if you ask me. They are negligable if you won't do CPU intensive tasks. 3GB of RAM is sufficient if you ask me.
No, you certainly cannot. There are reports of folks who did this. They ended up with a hardbrick and they had to open the device up physically to flash it. MIUI is okay-ish. I would still prefer stock Android over it though.
1. I haven't used a Helium but I've read that there's no real difference in terms of real-world performance. Obviously there is a spec difference, but like I said I've read that the upgrade is so minor it's not really worth it unless you're dying for that extra internal storage. I've got the 32GB/3GB version with a 200GB Sandisk working just fine. Way more than enough storage for me!
2. I have read that you can flash Hydrogen ROMs on Helium with a few minor changes to the files (there's evidence of this in the official CM 14 thread), but like the previous poster said, I would not recommend this. Personally (and this is just my opinion...) every ROM available seems a little too buggy even for Hydrogen at the moment. The kernel source hasn't been out all that long and the source ROMs haven't had that much time to develop, so if you're looking to flash for a daily driver I'd wait a few weeks/months. (Seriously, just an opinion. I like my ROMs to be bulletproof!)
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Not really if you ask me. They are negligable if you won't do CPU intensive tasks. 3GB of RAM is sufficient if you ask me.
No, you certainly cannot. There are reports of folks who did this. They ended up with a hardbrick and they had to open the device up physically to flash it. MIUI is okay-ish. I would still prefer stock Android over it though.
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I didn't meant to flash firmwares on it. I meant use hydrogen custom roms that you install in recovery.
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1. I haven't used a Helium but I've read that there's no real difference in terms of real-world performance. Obviously there is a spec difference, but like I said I've read that the upgrade is so minor it's not really worth it unless you're dying for that extra internal storage. I've got the 32GB/3GB version with a 200GB Sandisk working just fine. Way more than enough storage for me!
2. I have read that you can flash Hydrogen ROMs on Helium with a few minor changes to the files (there's evidence of this in the official CM 14 thread), but like the previous poster said, I would not recommend this. Personally (and this is just my opinion...) every ROM available seems a little too buggy even for Hydrogen at the moment. The kernel source hasn't been out all that long and the source ROMs haven't had that much time to develop, so if you're looking to flash for a daily driver I'd wait a few weeks/months. (Seriously, just an opinion. I like my ROMs to be bulletproof!)
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Hydrogen already has official cyanogenmod: https://download.cyanogenmod.org/?device=hydrogen
timandrei12 said:
Hydrogen already has official cyanogenmod: https://download.cyanogenmod.org/?device=hydrogen
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Yeah, I linked to it in my comment. lol.
Although it's Official CM, it's not bug free. Personally I think it's worth waiting a while, but each to their own!
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Yeah, I linked to it in my comment. lol.
Although it's Official CM, it's not bug free. Personally I think it's worth waiting a while, but each to their own!
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Soo... No kernel source for helium means no development, right?
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Soo... No kernel source for helium means no development, right?
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Well, according to a few people in this thread, Hydrogen and Helium share the same Kernel Source. So, I guess the only hold up would be optimisation for the hardware differences. i.e. getting the extra two cores online for the Helium's 652, etc.
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Well, according to a few people in this thread, Hydrogen and Helium share the same Kernel Source. So, I guess the only hold up would be optimisation for the hardware differences. i.e. getting the extra two cores online for the Helium's 652, etc.
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Oh.. So there's not that much of a difference between the 650 and 652.
Get the Helium, it has more internal storage, more cores and when you go to sell it you'll get a little bit more for it.
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Oh.. So there's not that much of a difference between the 650 and 652.
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There definitely isn't a huge difference between them, and it's debatable whether you'll see any real difference in daily use.
As ajsmsg78, you'll be able to resell the handset for a higher price later on, but you'll also be spending more to buy the 652 in the first place.
I already had a 200GB Sandisk that is only a few months old and I'm pretty used to 32GB internal storage. As I don't install many games 32GB is fine for me (I've still got 12GB internal free, and that probably won't change all that much). I use the 200GB for my entire music collection plus all photos and video I shoot.
It really is down to your particular circumstances. If you've got the dough, definitely go for the 652! 128GB internal would be great, especially when combined with a 200GB external!
If you're looking to grab a bargain, you'll be more than happy with the 650.
(When I purchased my handset the 128GB 652 was an extra $90-$100 more, which for me is a pretty big difference!)
I got the nougat update on my moto z play... its kinda good and ok. But on antutu i found it says nougat "32 bit" , why 32 bit on a 64 bit processor smartphone ? I am not that techy but just felt as a miss match which could hamper performance maybe... please someone let me know... will highly appreciate it!.. its kinda good and ok. But on antutu i found it says nougat "32 bit" , why 32 bit on a 64 bit processor smartphone ? I am not that techy but just felt as a miss match which could hamper performance maybe... please someone let me know... will highly appreciate it!
** And I did the antutu test, it came lesser(59k) than what came on marshmallow(62k) sadly
Before someone jumps down your throat, I'll let you know this has been covered in multiple threads. The chip is capable of 64. However, 64 is for hardware running larger RAM than we are. So we are at 32. It doesn't affect performance.
shantusingh said:
I got the nougat update on my moto z play... its kinda good and ok. But on antutu i found it says nougat "32 bit" , why 32 bit on a 64 bit processor smartphone ? I am not that techy but just felt as a miss match which could hamper performance maybe... please someone let me know... will highly appreciate it!.. its kinda good and ok. But on antutu i found it says nougat "32 bit" , why 32 bit on a 64 bit processor smartphone ? I am not that techy but just felt as a miss match which could hamper performance maybe... please someone let me know... will highly appreciate it!
** And I did the antutu test, it came lesser(59k) than what came on marshmallow(62k) sadly
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rile1564 said:
Before someone jumps down your throat, I'll let you know this has been covered in multiple threads. The chip is capable of 64. However, 64 is for hardware running larger RAM than we are. So we are at 32. It doesn't affect performance.
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A very interesting answer ... here I come to mind a stupid idea. Could you ram up the RAM like PCs?
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Im on retin ( india ) but sitll not received Nougat update
Im on retin ( india ) but sitll not received Nougat update... tired manually check for update but it says "software is up to date"
Note:- My bootloader is unlocked
whats wrong ?
joshua764 said:
A very interesting answer ... here I come to mind a stupid idea. Could you ram up the RAM like PCs?
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:laugh:. Ha ha not possible ..
rile1564 said:
Before someone jumps down your throat, I'll let you know this has been covered in multiple threads. The chip is capable of 64. However, 64 is for hardware running larger RAM than we are. So we are at 32. It doesn't affect performance.
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sorry i havn't checked other threads, though thank you. I feel a micro second unresponsiveness/late opening when i click on apps(nothing on the touch), for example play store, etc.... i feel with more usage of nougat now that marshmallow smoothness was better and fast charging also feels has slowed down, and i feel it was little faster on marshmallow. But doze looks great and much better on nougat
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However, 64 is for hardware running larger RAM than we are. So we are at 32. It doesn't affect performance.
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The CPU has a different instruction set when it is running 64 bit. If the app is optimized for 64 bit, it may profit. Optimized Chess engines in average run about 15-20% faster on arm64 than on arm. Not optimized apps may run a bit faster on 32 bit, because the overhead is smaller. In average you probably will not notice the difference. Memory consumption per app is higher using 64 bit, this may be a bigger disadvantage than a few percentage performance gain for special use cases.
Hi all, I do not really care about 4G.
This might be my next phone so I'd like what is intersting to know when you use the phone.
I already know about the not so good camera, the noise when recording and the youtube sound bug. Have the owners on reddit something else to prevent me about?
I am also considering Huawei Nova (not plus) and Redmi Note 4x. If someone have tested many of those 3 devices and can give me advice.
Thanks in advance
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Hi all, I do not really care about 4G.
This might be my next phone so I'd like what is intersting to know when you use the phone.
I already know about the not so good camera, the noise when recording and the youtube sound bug. Have the owners on reddit something else to prevent me about?
I am also considering Huawei Nova (not plus) and Redmi Note 4x. If someone have tested many of those 3 devices and can give me advice.
Thanks in advance
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Hi, the sound sync bug is barely noticeable on my unit, the delay is minimal, I have the UK version with S056 stock rom out of the box. The 4/64 version of Redmi Note 4X is still not available and the Nova is only 5" with significantly smaller battery and also only 3gb ram. I have the 4/32 version of P2a42 and I can't be more happy with the device. The build quality is superb, the display is gorgeous, the rom is 99% stock Android 6.0.1, the cpu is super snappy, only the high end games like NFS No Limits, Modern Combat 5 and GTA are not running smooth on full details. And here comes the battery, the battery life is amazing. Right now I'm on 54%, this is my 3rd day on a single charge and I already have 6h25m screen on time with 2h of heavy online gaming with games like NFS No limits, 5v5 moba games like Mobile Legends, Heroes Evolved and so on. The math shows that I'll end up with more than 12h SOT and using the phone without charging for a full 4 days, if no gaming and only 2-3 usage 14-15h SOT are not a problem for this phone.
I highly recommend it and currently for me Lenovo P2 is the best balanced phone between performance, battery, build quality and reliability under $300.
Kicroy said:
Hi all, I do not really care about 4G.
This might be my next phone so I'd like what is intersting to know when you use the phone.
I already know about the not so good camera, the noise when recording and the youtube sound bug. Have the owners on reddit something else to prevent me about?
I am also considering Huawei Nova (not plus) and Redmi Note 4x. If someone have tested many of those 3 devices and can give me advice.
Thanks in advance
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You must Change ROM
thats the thing you must know about this device , other than that..hardware is very Good
Why should he? Stock ROM is really good...
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You must Change ROM
thats the thing you must know about this device , other than that..hardware is very Good
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I like the stock rom.
Yeah I'd also like to get Resurrection Remix but I know that might never happen, neither a Nougat rom...
I'll just cross my fingers
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Yeah I'd also like to get Resurrection Remix but I know that might never happen, neither a Nougat rom...
I'll just cross my fingers
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I read on lenovo forums that the Nougat ROM is almost ready.
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/forums/v3_1/forumtopicpage/board-id/lp05_en/thread-id/48/page/9
Does a custom ROM help with the lip sync issue?
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Does a custom ROM help with the lip sync issue?
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i dont know as of now, but i will reply to this after 14 days
i am going to Install TWRP , on road to unlocking Bootloader :silly: