I have seen a lot of people say that they would not get the V30 or any LG phone because they suck at updates. I knew this was not entirely true from when I owned a G3 the updates were actually pretty good. I remember specifically the G3 being the first non-Google phone to get Lollipop update.
So I thought maybe their updates have gotten worse and decided to do some research. The best way to tell how good updates will be in the V30 is to see how the updates were on the V phone which has been out for a good while. Of course that's the V10. So here are my findings of the update history for the V10 which will likely indicate how the V30 updates will be.
Unlocked models:
Released November 2015
Upgraded from 5.1.1 to 6.0 March 2016
Upgraded from 6.0 to 7.0 on July 2017
Latest Security Patch September 2017 or possibly newer
T-Mobile model
Released October 2015
Upgraded from 5.1.1 to 6.0 on April 2016
Upgraded from 6.0 to 7.0 on July 2017
Latest Security Patch September 2017
AT&T model
Released October 2015
Upgraded from 5.1.1 to 6.0 on April 2016
NEVER upgraded to 7.0 still today
Verizon
Released October 2015
Upgraded from 5.1.1 to 6.0 on March 2016
NEVER upgraded to 7.0 still today
CONCLUSION: past updates for the V10 released 2 years ago shows if you buy a V30 on T-Mobile or unlocked version then you will receive updates and security patches for up to 2 years. If you purchase on Verizon or AT&T then updates will only be for about 1 year.
So from this actually LG is very good with updates!! People just think they are not because it is Verizon and AT&T who are the ones holding back updates.
Also 1 additional note, the V10 was never released on Sprint, but the V30+ was, and Sprint has a very good update history. So the V30+ will likely receive 2 years of updates on Sprint too. Unfortunately their network is the worst.
Hopefully this clears up the myth that LG doesn't update their phones. The only thing they are bad at is taking a few months to release the update after Google has released the update (which most companies do), but they do still push out the updates for 2 years. It's the 2 biggest carriers Verizon and AT&T that do not, or at least did not with the V10. Therefore giving the perception LG is bad at updates when theyre not.
You forgot the H870 which is still on July patch, same happened with G5 H850 last year.
LG is good with major updates for speed, for patches and minor updates is one of the worst.
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Just realized that all those data are about the V10... Why? Use more recent phones for right comparison at least, anyway you can sum up the LG updates year like this:
- Release-November: One update for two months
- November-December: Major update
- January-end of the updates: random
Just curious, what's so important about not getting security updates? What would happen if we don't receive it?
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melihcarter said:
Just curious, what's so important about not getting security updates? What would happen if we don't receive it?
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Nothing, your device will be vulnerable to some vulnerabilities, which 99% of times are nothing urgent, but krack is something dangerous
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Nothing, your device will be vulnerable to some vulnerabilities, which 99% of times are nothing urgent, but krack is something dangerous
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Thank you for clarifying, now I'm on htc m9, don't remember the last time I got one
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Thank you for clarifying, now I'm on htc m9, don't remember the last time I got one
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Probably because you're out of the 2 years support xD
my sister LG G5 last android security update is on Apr 2017.
suck at update? you bet.
As we said, horrible. Especially the Nougat (7.0) updates.
Nougat 7.0 was released by Google in August 2016.
Oreo 8.0 was released by Google in August 2017.
So, those LG V10 phones below that got Nougat in July 2017 had to wait 11 months (July 2017) after Google released Nougat in August 2016, to get it on their phones -- just one month before Oreo 8.0 was released by Google. Some of the LG V10 phones still have never received it -- over 14 months now? Even for those who got Nougat, it shouldn't take 11 months after OS release for an LG flagship phone to get that version. And those that never got it?
When Nougat 7.0 was released in August 2016, the V10 was LESS than 1 year old, having been released in October 2015. When Nougat was released in August 2016, the V20 had not yet been released. It was STILL the newest, most current "V" by LG. See what I mean?
The 2016 LG V20 was LAUNCHED with Nougat on board. But for some reason the LG V10 didn't get Nougat until almost a year after that -- July 2017.
I'm buying a carrier unlocked model, so there's no excuses about ROM OS updates. Those updates will come straight from LG. I hope they do better with the LG V30. I'll be rooted, running a custom ROM -- but to keep DAC and full camera features it may have to be stock-based custom ROM. That worries me...
AndroidPurity said:
I have seen a lot of people say that they would not get the V30 or any LG phone because they suck at updates. I knew this was not entirely true from when I owned a G3 the updates were actually pretty good. I remember specifically the G3 being the first non-Google phone to get Lollipop update.
So I thought maybe their updates have gotten worse and decided to do some research. The best way to tell how good updates will be in the V30 is to see how the updates were on the V phone which has been out for a good while. Of course that's the V10. So here are my findings of the update history for the V10 which will likely indicate how the V30 updates will be.
Unlocked US model:
Released November 2015
Upgraded from 5.1.1 to 6.0 March 2016 (6.0 Marshmallow was released by Google in October 2015)
Upgraded from 6.0 to 7.0 on July 2017 (7.0 Nougat was released by Google in August 2016. Why 11 months for a phone less than 2 years old?)
Latest Security Patch September 2017 or possibly newer
T-Mobile model
Released October 2015
Upgraded from 5.1.1 to 6.0 on April 2016 (6.0 Marshmallow was released by Google in October 2015)
Upgraded from 6.0 to 7.0 on July 2017 (7.0 Nougat was released by Google in August 2016. Why 11 months for a phone less than 2 years old?)
Latest Security Patch September 2017
AT&T model
Released October 2015
Upgraded from 5.1.1 to 6.0 on April 2016 (6.0 Marshmallow was released by Google in October 2015)
NEVER upgraded to 7.0 still today (7.0 Nougat was released by Google in August 2016. Where's Nougat for the past year?)
Verizon
Released October 2015
Upgraded from 5.1.1 to 6.0 on March 2016 (6.0 Marshmallow was released by Google in October 2015)
NEVER upgraded to 7.0 still today (7.0 Nougat was released by Google in August 2016. Where's Nougat for the past year?)
CONCLUSION: past updates for the V10 released 2 years ago shows if you buy a V30 on T-Mobile or unlocked version then you will receive updates and security patches for up to 2 years. If you purchase on Verizon or AT&T then updates will only be for about 1 year.
So from this actually LG is very good with updates!! People just think they are not because it is Verizon and AT&T who are the ones holding back updates.
Also 1 additional note, the V10 was never released on Sprint, but the V30+ was, and Sprint has a very good update history. So the V30+ will likely receive 2 years of updates on Sprint too. Unfortunately their network is the worst.
Hopefully this clears up the myth that LG doesn't update their phones. The only thing they are bad at is taking a few months to release the update after Google has released the update (which most companies do), but they do still push out the updates for 2 years. It's the 2 biggest carriers Verizon and AT&T that do not, or at least did not with the V10. Therefore giving the perception LG is bad at updates when theyre not.
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Killua96 said:
You forgot the H870 which is still on July patch, same happened with G5 H850 last year.
LG is good with major updates for speed, for patches and minor updates is one of the worst.
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Just realized that all those data are about the V10... Why? Use more recent phones for right comparison at least, anyway you can sum up the LG updates year like this:
- Release-November: One update for two months
- November-December: Major update
- January-end of the updates: random
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I used the V10 instead of V20 because it's been out for 2 years. Therefore it is the only V phone released that can give us an update what updates will be like for 2 years. The V20 can only give us 1 year of update history to look at for comparison.
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my sister LG G5 last android security update is on Apr 2017.
suck at update? you bet.
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Yeah but which carrier? If it is At&t or Verizon, then that's why. That's not LG's fault because LG has released other updates since then.
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As we said, horrible. Especially the Nougat (7.0) updates.
Nougat 7.0 was released by Google in August 2016.
Oreo 8.0 was released by Google in August 2017.
So, those LG V10 phones below that got Nougat in July 2017 had to wait 11 months (July 2017) after Google released Nougat in August 2016, to get it on their phones -- just one month before Oreo 8.0 was released by Google. Some of the LG V10 phones still have never received it -- over 14 months now? Even for those who got Nougat, it shouldn't take 11 months after OS release for an LG flagship phone to get that version. And those that never got it?
When Nougat 7.0 was released in August 2016, the V10 was LESS than 1 year old, having been released in October 2015. When Nougat was released in August 2016, the V20 had not yet been released. It was STILL the newest, most current "V" by LG. See what I mean?
The 2016 LG V20 was LAUNCHED with Nougat on board. But for some reason the LG V10 didn't get Nougat until almost a year after that -- July 2017.
I'm buying a carrier unlocked model, so there's no excuses about ROM OS updates. Those updates will come straight from LG. I hope they do better with the LG V30. I'll be rooted, running a custom ROM -- but to keep DAC and full camera features it may have to be stock-based custom ROM. That worries me...
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Technically LG released 7.0 in May 2017 for unlocked in Korea. But then it took T-Mobile another 3 months. So only 8 months can technically be blamed on LG, which yes is still way too long. Also you can't use "some of the V10s" not getting the update, as a excuse why LG is bad with updates. Any day passed the day LG updates the unlocked model, then those days or months can only be blamed on the carrier the phone came from.
Also keep in mind the unlocked V20 and the t-mobile V20 are on the 2nd newest security update right now, September 2017. Something I didn't mention in my original post. So that's a really good sign too.
Although yes, I totally do not blame you from buying unlocked. It is the fastest with updates. However surprisingly T-Mobile is able to usually be right behind with in a month of LG.
So in summary LG updates their flagships with updates for 2 years! Except they can lag months behind in pushing out the updates. Hopefully with V30 being the most popular V phone yet this will make them more eager to push out the updates faster.
AndroidPurity said:
Also you can't use "some of the V10s" not getting the update, as a excuse why LG is bad with updates. Any day passed the day LG updates the unlocked model, then those days or months can only be blamed on the carrier the phone came from.
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I used exactly the same examples you gave, and your examples are 11 months and "never" for Nougat.
There's no excuse for "11 months" (from LG for carrier unlocked version) to "never" (even if carriers may be partly to blame) for a flagship phone, when it was still the only "V" phone when Nougat was released, and the V20 launched with Nougat.
If you don't want to use carrier examples, why do you cite them yourself?
But when LG's behavior to the carrier unlocked version for the Nougat update is very bad.
If following the same timeline as the V10, we'll get Oreo when March 2018?
Peach Pie in July 2019?
AndroidPurity said:
Yeah but which carrier? If it is At&t or Verizon, then that's why. That's not LG's fault because LG has released other updates since then.
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international version.
ChazzMatt said:
I used exactly the same examples you gave, and your examples are 11 months and "never" for Nougat.
There's no excuse for "11 months" (from LG for carrier unlocked version) to "never" (even if carriers may be partly to blame) for a flagship phone, when it was still the only "V" phone when Nougat was released, and the V20 launched with Nougat.
If you don't want to use carrier examples, why do you cite them yourself?
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Multiple reasons! It was for comparison purposes. To demonstrate in the case of V10 not getting the 7.0, then it was carrier faults. Also for comparison to demonstrate LG pushed out updates a little faster than carriers. Also to compare each carrier to show which carrier was the fastest with updates. But not used to put blame on LG, because LG has no control over when the carrier updates once they give out the update of the unlocked version.
Lastly it wasn't 11 months, it was technically 8 months for unlocked version. My original post it was a mistake, i changed it from July to May. Articles announce the unlocked update May 2017. Although yes 8 months is still way too long. I never seen LG take that long for a major update though. So maybe it was a fluke.
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But when LG's behavior to the carrier unlocked version for the Nougat update is very bad.
If following the same timeline as the V10, we'll get Oreo when March 2018?
Peach Pie in July 2019?
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Haha! Yeah that's pretty accurate if you go based off the V10. However when the V20 gets Oreo will be a sign as to how fast we will get Android P. So keep an eye out for that.
Overall LG is far from the worst manufacturer with updates, but also far from the best. They are about middle of the pack. However when a device sells well (such as the V30 seems to be) it encourages companies to be faster with updates and support because theres way more people to disappoint.
For example my girlfriend's Sony Z3 from T-Mobile back in the day stopped updates after 5.0 when Sony went to at least 6.0. T-Mobile explained to me it was because they didn't sell much of the devices, so its not worth their time and money to invest research and development for updates of a phone that sold much less than other phones. That makes sense from a business perspective and that is the way these phone companies think.
So with that in mind I think its safe to say the V30 is going to be the best selling V phone so far. Possibly even sell close to as much as the G6. Especially if they drop the price about $200 in early 2018. So that increases the chances of LG wanting to develop more time and resources into the device because it's selling so well!
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Lastly it wasn't 11 months, it was technically 8 months for unlocked version. My original post it was a mistake, i changed it from July to May. Articles announce the unlocked update May 2017. Although yes 8 months is still way too long. I never seen LG take that long for a major update though. So maybe it was a fluke.
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Your original post shows U.S. unlocked got Nougat in July 2017. I live in U.S.and will be buying U.S.carrier unlocked version.
Do you have a link showing the corrected date?
And yes, Motorola is very bad with updates too. I'm only on Nougat because of custom ROM.
ChazzMatt said:
Your original post shows U.S. unlocked got Nougat in July 2017. I live in U.S.and will be buying U.S.carrier unlocked version.
Do you have a link showing the corrected date?
And yes, Motorola is very bad with updates too. I'm only on Nougat because of custom ROM.
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Yep! 3 unlocked v10 models received the nougat update may 2017. I corrected my original post to may.
Here is the link ans it list the 3 model numbers that got it in may. Again still a long time, but 3 months earlier than the only carrier that updated it.
https://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-V10-starts-receiving-the-Android-7.0-Nougat-update_id94415
CHAZZ, the speaker of truths!
this honestly was my hesitation in picking up the V30. my previous phone was the Nexus 6P and I LOVED being able to install the newest latest and greatest as soon as it dropped.
Phone manufactures really are doing themselves a disservice by not just dropping a vanilla ROM update asap and a branded OS as they see fit. They could simply omit those fancy features they bake into their ROMs.
Phone manufactures, want consumers to buy their phones for the experience...why?...why not attract consumers for the phone itself as well as the "experience". At that point you'll have 2 lines of consumers ready to buy your product. It's like when HTC? initially released some phones, they had their carrier branded phones that were spiffied up, and you could register that phone for for a developer account allowing you to install vanilla Android.
AndroidPurity said:
Yep! 3 unlocked v10 models received the nougat update may 2017. I corrected my original post to may.
Here is the link ans it list the 3 model numbers that got it in may. Again still a long time, but 3 months earlier than the only carrier that updated it.
https://www.phonearena.com/news/LG-V10-starts-receiving-the-Android-7.0-Nougat-update_id94415
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Hmmm.. As you said, only South Korea models got it in May. Those are carrier models, sold in South Korea. Everyone else got it later.
The only caveat is the update is now being deployed in South Korea only.
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The official carrier unlocked version -- which is eligible for bootloader unlock code -- is not the same as those three South Korea carrier models.
I'm curious when the official carrier unlocked version got it. This model, which is listed on the LG Developer Bootloader Unlock list.
LG V10 H960A
http://developer.lge.com/resource/mobile/RetrieveBootloader.dev?categoryId=CTULRS0703
And the answer is July 14, 2017:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v10/general/official-software-h960a-v30b-nougat-t3636552/page1
So, your original email was correct, it was 11 months after Nougat was released before the official carrier unlocked version got the update.
I think since LG is including that two year warranty with most of our purchases on T-Mobile (thanks to the promo), I'd think we will see updates during that period.
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I was on the fence about keeping my pixel xl 2 or going with v30, this thread helped me make up my mind thanks
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I was on the fence about keeping my pixel xl 2 or going with v30, this thread helped me make up my mind thanks
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Well, with root (on the bootloader unlocked models) you can have custom ROMs. There will be plenty of dev work. The LG V30 will probably get Oreo ROMs before LG officially releases Oreo. This discussion is just if you want LG updates.
I'm just concerned about DAC and camera features. So, I may have to stay on stock-based ROM (debloated, tweaked, rooted), instead of LOS-based ROM. I don't know enough information yet.
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Well, with root (on the bootloader unlocked models) you can have custom ROMs. There will be plenty of dev work. The LG V30 will probably get Oreo ROMs before LG officially releases Oreo. This discussion is just if you want LG updates.
I'm just concerned about DAC and camera features. So, I may have to stay on stock-based ROM, instead of LOS-based ROM. I don't know enough information yet.
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I'm not familiar with rooting and roms with lg. I've only done that with Nexus and pixel devices. Are they similar processes? Pixels and Nexus was very easy
Please can someone tell me if the A70 will get android 12 update? S10 is officially getting android 12 and the A70 was released after the S10, also it was a quiet expensive device so I don't see why it won't get the update.
Samsung promised 3 OS updates for the S series, starting from S10. It also promised 4 years of security updates (only 2 OS) for every phone launched in 2019 and beyond.
No OEM loves long-term supports. It's bad for business. So there's no official One UI 4.x for the A70.
But that's why we're here. Of course there'll be some unofficial ports. And it'll be exciting.
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Samsung promised 3 OS updates for the S series, starting from S10. It also promised 4 years of security updates (only 2 OS) for every phone launched in 2019 and beyond.
No OEM loves long-term supports. It's bad for business. So there's no official One UI 4.x for the A70.
But that's why we're here. Of course there'll be some unofficial ports. And it'll be exciting.
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S10 series was released in early 2019 even before A70 was released and will still get android 12 so why not the A70? They said they will give A series 3 major OS updates like S series and then they just decide not to do that! This is unacceptable.
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Maybe that is to force you to buy new phones, I am not sure.
camalger said:
S10 series was released in early 2019 even before A70 was released and will still get android 12 so why not the A70? They said they will give A series 3 major OS updates like S series and then they just decide not to do that! This is unacceptable.
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The official word from Samsung was to give their flagship Galaxy S-series five years of support, like Apple, that is 3 major OS updates, and two years of support.
The official word for phones released in 2019 and beyond is to give them 4 years of support, 2 major OS updates, and 2 years of security updates.
Understand this. The 3 major updates are only for the S-series (possible the Note, too) as of Samsung's official essay. That means neither the A-series nor the M-series are included.
That doesn't mean there's no chance we might not get Android 12, officially. But, even if that happened, it'll not be soon. That's how business works. Push people to buy the next phone.
In my country, I can trade my phone with an S10 for less than 50$. Maybe you should buy an S10 if you really want 12.
There was 3 major updates, mine has come with android 9, then 10 and now 11...
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There was 3 major updates, mine has come with android 9, then 10 and now 11...
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we are talking about 3 android version changes i.e.
9 ->10
10 ->11
11->12
[List] Galaxy devices that will be eligible for One UI 4.0 (Android 12) update
One UI 4.0 will be Samsung's ninth One UI upgrade. As expected, some Galaxy phones and tablets will be eligible ...
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It's not on the list. There is custom rom though.
It will get it android 13 version or not?
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[List] Galaxy devices that will be eligible for One UI 4.0 (Android 12) update
One UI 4.0 will be Samsung's ninth One UI upgrade. As expected, some Galaxy phones and tablets will be eligible ...
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It's not on the list. There is custom rom though.
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No, not even a proper rom, just a GSI.
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It will get it android 13 version or not?
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nope, if you ask official update
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LG전자 서비스 SW 알리미로 '[SW 개선] 2022년 2분기 SW업데이트 계획 (‘22. 3월)' 대해 확인해 보세요. 최신 소프트웨어 업데이트와 사용방법을 제공합니다.
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These LG phones are still getting Android 12 this quarter
LG may have exited the smartphone industry, but it's continuing to deliver updates. These phones will receive Android 12 in Q2.
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LG’s Android 12 rollout finally begins with the mid-range Velvet
It may take at least a few weeks for the update to become available globally.
www.androidcentral.com
Even though it is the biggest pile of crap phone I've ever owned - still good news.
Matt
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These LG phones are still getting Android 12 this quarter
LG may have exited the smartphone industry, but it's continuing to deliver updates. These phones will receive Android 12 in Q2.
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LG’s Android 12 rollout finally begins with the mid-range Velvet
It may take at least a few weeks for the update to become available globally.
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Even though it is the biggest pile of crap phone I've ever owned - still good news.
Matt
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It wouldn't be a bad phone if there was an iota of development for it. The V30 was God. This phone....ugh
Funny u should mention the c39....I'm bidding on pone now..lol
I LOVED the v30
It's may 23rd, and no A12 while prev/next weeks)))
what is A12?
trust me.....im on beta android 12 now
A12 - is Android 12.
But nothing special. My wife is beta tester too, and I already know what's inside LG A12 to make new stock-based rom at A12 for v50.
As for you words, you tell that it takes few weeks, but it's month gone, when my data is end of may.for stable release at V50.
Android 12 update have arrived LG v50 south Korean variant
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Android 12 update have arrived LG v50 south Korean variant
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Means LG G8 is next...
How many Major OS update will receive this Phone? Is there a clear plan for Update ZTE phones?
Asked them this Question and got this:
Dear Valued RedMagic Customer,
Thank you for your patience,
Sorry, we have no definite information on this, please pay attention to the update on the official website.
Generally, lately, they tend to release security updates/fixes for a bit and 1 platform update (red magic 6 pro got update from 11 to 12) idk if 6 pro will get update to 13 or if 7 pro will get it but generally if i had to make predictions i predict 7 pro will get updated to 13 6 pro might get lucky and get 13 but might not and as far as 8 pro at the very least i imagine it will get 14 and we shall see afterwards
Red generally usually was about explosive specs/latest android and good price at the moment of release and not much after
Only thing that's a shame is lack of rom development on these phones but I'm guessing red just didn't release necessary stuff for that to happen
Hi, I would like to buy used Poco F3 but I wonder how long will it be supported by security patches. Is 2023 the last year of updates for this phone?
2 major Android updates and 3 years of security updates.
It was delivered with Android 11.
Actually Android 12 so calculate for urself.
Should be upcoming Miui 14/Android 13 be last major update while security update will have for another year I think. But you never know. I mean Poco F2 Pro released 2020 was not eligible for Miui 14 but Miui 14 is now going to be release. Only its Miui 14 with Android 12.
Yeah, just got MIUI14 / Android 13, last major update. Also security update are not always every month but sparse.
Dude. This device will unofficially last for so many years with its rich and vast community. Such a capable device is so worth it. Believe me.
I've bought it just for the sake of the hardware. The moment I received it. I instantly unblocked bootloader. A week later, I started my beautiful experience with AOSPs.
Definitely a device you can feel so good about, for having such an amazing performance.
For the MIUI 14 with Android 13 on my Xiaomi phone, the Android security update is 2022-12.