First off; I love Android. I think that Ice Cream Sandwich has led to a greater harmonisation of the Android operating system and adds a bit of polish to something functional. Google's apps are starting to feel like they belong together, rather than giving a sense that they're being produced by different teams who have little contact.
However, I'm no fanboy. I don't buy a product and deny that it has flaws just because a certain company produced it *ahem *. So here it is; one humble man's opinion on what's wrong with Ice cream Sandwich.
1. Blue theme.... really? There's a reason that designers avoid blue-on-black. It offers poor contrast, and looks cheap; much like the Geocities sites of the 90s. The blue taskbar and app icons used in ICS just don't go with... well... anything. It's all well and good being able to customise your home screen, but when anything except a blue background clashes it's all a little redundant.
2. The stock icons themselves are disgusting. We all knew this from the leaked screenshots, which forums were praying were fake. Mostly, they just don't look like they belong to the same set. There's no consistency. Half are blue, half are not. Some are three dimensional, and some are traditional, flat icons. Some are different sizes. They just don't work. They look cheap, childish and don't match the 'magazine' style of the UI overhaul. It's like someone realised at the last minute that they'd forgotten to redesign icons, so just did a Google Image search and used the first of each that they found.
3. Google Plus pages won't open in the Android Browser. This one is just plain embarrassing. Google's flagship device can't view Google's new hub outside of the restrictive app? The browser just panics and shuts down with no option to report it. Did no-one test this?
4. Google Talk isn't in the sharing options. That's right, click on the share icon within an app and it'll show you every way of sharing except Google Talk. Following the above, it seems like Google is boycotting their own services.
5. Speech to text for UK language setting is insane. After a few words, it seemingly switches to using your contacts directory as a dictionary, rather than real words. You end up with a full sentence made entirely of surnames and forenames. I cannot believe that no-one tested this.
6. Removing the search key doesn't just remove the ability to search from some apps; it means that you can no longer assign functions to long press, or use voice command from any app. You have to return to the home screen each time. This is a huge step backwards.
7. Similarly, this has led to a non-removable search box on the home screen. Not only does it take up space, but the white icon doesn't work on a light background. The customisability of Android has just been taken down another notch. Sure, you can use a 3rd party launcher, but with no search button, you need the box there for searches.
8. A minor point, but Android can't seem to decide if going for a futuristic hologram look, or the Windows Phone 7 style magazine layout. It's like Mathias Duarte turned up, and they said “Make our OS beautiful... but it still has to look like ugly old Honeycomb (TRON)." All in, it just feels a bit cheap and confused.
9. The soft keys which Google has opted for in ICS are not well positioned. The home key is far too close to the space bar, which is infuriating when typing.
10. The action bar is horrific to use. It means that the menu and search keys jump around the screen. So you're in the Facebook app and want to see the menu. Where is it? Well it's not where it used to be and there's no action bar. Oh wait, three dots have appeared in the soft-key bar. Ugly and inconsistent, but OK.
Switch to messaging. Where the heck is it? Ah it's in the top right now! The little scamp.
Now you're in Gmail. Where is the menace? I know you're here somewhere... Ah, there! In the action bar in the bottom right. Android Market: back up top! There is just no consistency and it makes everything feel disjointed and unpredictable.
The action bar essentially negates the large screen on the Galaxy Nexus. The row of soft keys, plus the action bar actually leads to a lower proportion of screen space for the app than on previous versions of Android.
11. Cut, Copy & Paste: What the hell were they thinking?! This doesn't just jump around based on app, but depending on which page of an app you're in. And even then, the buttons are different every time.
Take Gmail for example. Copying text from the body of an email: a menu appears in place of the action bar at the bottom. However, in the 'compose' screen this menu appears at the top, but with different icons. Another 'paste' button (but not using the paste icon) also appears above the selected text, but no cut or copy buttons. If you try and make a selection from a link, a long press summons a pop-up dialogue where paste is an option. That is four ways of pasting, just within the Gmail app.
Not to mention, that they've opted for icons with no words. Unless you're accustomed to using old Windows machines, this may as well be code. It's like it's intentionally trying to confuse you.
12. Relationships with app vendors must be non-existent. If I was releasing an update to a platform which relies upon people being able to install apps, I'd make sure that the most common apps work on the new platform before release. This could involve providing phones and assistance to the big names. As it stands, neither Facebook nor Whatsapp (two of the top 5 most downloaded apps) work. Both of these are communications related. I feel cut off from the world. I'm sure this could have been sorted before release. Swype is another big name that doesn't support the screen resolution.
Google launched the Galaxy Nexus weeks ago. Facebook was initially unusable due to the absence of a menu button. The app was updated today to a version akin to the iPhone. However, the drag-to- refresh animations don't work as they should, and the damn thing will alert you of 'new messages' every 30 minutes if you have any unread, regardless of whether or not they are new. Atop this, Facebook will still not sync with official Google devices as Facebook does not properly use Google's contact API. Rather than being stubborn, Google should be helping Facebook, or seconding engineers, as they know full well that the majority of their users will require his service.
I appreciate that a lot of this is out of Google's hands, but this is just a warning to early-adopters – be prepared to lose the services you use most.
13. The browser is still useless with forms. Try entering text in a field. It'll type past the edge of your viewport and you can't scroll to the cursor. The viewport should follow the cursor. You can't zoom in and out because you can't get 'hold' of the web page due to the full-screen text entry field.
14. Horizontal lines everywhere. Did I mention that text fields are now horizontal lines? Text boxes are indistinguishable from divides and text doesn't sit on the lines so you never know where one ends and the other starts.
As I said, all in, it is an improvement. However, there is a heck of a lot of room for improvement. There is still a feeling that things aren't really designed, or connected; just a bit haphazard. I'm just hoping Cyanogen pulls something wonderful. For the standard consumer, the experience aspect is still playing catchup with Windows Phone and iOS.
I agree with most of what you are saying... nothing makes me angrier than trying to use google search on android's mobile browser, and not being able to add additional words onto the end of my search string because I can't Freaking scroll the text over to enter it in. (I do think this is a webpage issue possible though, because it happens on iphone as well)
I think they should have gotten rid of the flip button (task switcher button) and have that be the settings button, then just have the HOME button be a long press for task switching.... simple, effective, makes sense.. consistent. I guess having settings in the app allows developers to have more control, but I think consistency would be better.
mike freegan said:
First off; I love Android. I think that Ice Cream Sandwich has led to a greater harmonisation of the Android operating system and adds a bit of polish to something functional. Google's apps are starting to feel like they belong together, rather than giving a sense that they're being produced by different teams who have little contact.
However, I'm no fanboy. I don't buy a product and deny that it has flaws just because a certain company produced it *ahem *. So here it is; one humble man's opinion on what's wrong with Ice cream Sandwich.
1. Blue theme.... really? There's a reason that designers avoid blue-on-black. It offers poor contrast, and looks cheap; much like the Geocities sites of the 90s. The blue taskbar and app icons used in ICS just don't go with... well... anything. It's all well and good being able to customise your home screen, but when anything except a blue background clashes it's all a little redundant.
2. The stock icons themselves are disgusting. We all knew this from the leaked screenshots, which forums were praying were fake. Mostly, they just don't look like they belong to the same set. There's no consistency. Half are blue, half are not. Some are three dimensional, and some are traditional, flat icons. Some are different sizes. They just don't work. They look cheap, childish and don't match the 'magazine' style of the UI overhaul. It's like someone realised at the last minute that they'd forgotten to redesign icons, so just did a Google Image search and used the first of each that they found.
3. Google Plus pages won't open in the Android Browser. This one is just plain embarrassing. Google's flagship device can't view Google's new hub outside of the restrictive app? The browser just panics and shuts down with no option to report it. Did no-one test this?
4. Google Talk isn't in the sharing options. That's right, click on the share icon within an app and it'll show you every way of sharing except Google Talk. Following the above, it seems like Google is boycotting their own services.
5. Speech to text for UK language setting is insane. After a few words, it seemingly switches to using your contacts directory as a dictionary, rather than real words. You end up with a full sentence made entirely of surnames and forenames. I cannot believe that no-one tested this.
6. Removing the search key doesn't just remove the ability to search from some apps; it means that you can no longer assign functions to long press, or use voice command from any app. You have to return to the home screen each time. This is a huge step backwards.
7. Similarly, this has led to a non-removable search box on the home screen. Not only does it take up space, but the white icon doesn't work on a light background. The customisability of Android has just been taken down another notch. Sure, you can use a 3rd party launcher, but with no search button, you need the box there for searches.
8. A minor point, but Android can't seem to decide if going for a futuristic hologram look, or the Windows Phone 7 style magazine layout. It's like Mathias Duarte turned up, and they said “Make our OS beautiful... but it still has to look like ugly old Honeycomb (TRON)." All in, it just feels a bit cheap and confused.
9. The soft keys which Google has opted for in ICS are not well positioned. The home key is far too close to the space bar, which is infuriating when typing.
10. The action bar is horrific to use. It means that the menu and search keys jump around the screen. So you're in the Facebook app and want to see the menu. Where is it? Well it's not where it used to be and there's no action bar. Oh wait, three dots have appeared in the soft-key bar. Ugly and inconsistent, but OK.
Switch to messaging. Where the heck is it? Ah it's in the top right now! The little scamp.
Now you're in Gmail. Where is the menace? I know you're here somewhere... Ah, there! In the action bar in the bottom right. Android Market: back up top! There is just no consistency and it makes everything feel disjointed and unpredictable.
The action bar essentially negates the large screen on the Galaxy Nexus. The row of soft keys, plus the action bar actually leads to a lower proportion of screen space for the app than on previous versions of Android.
11. Cut, Copy & Paste: What the hell were they thinking?! This doesn't just jump around based on app, but depending on which page of an app you're in. And even then, the buttons are different every time.
Take Gmail for example. Copying text from the body of an email: a menu appears in place of the action bar at the bottom. However, in the 'compose' screen this menu appears at the top, but with different icons. Another 'paste' button (but not using the paste icon) also appears above the selected text, but no cut or copy buttons. If you try and make a selection from a link, a long press summons a pop-up dialogue where paste is an option. That is four ways of pasting, just within the Gmail app.
Not to mention, that they've opted for icons with no words. Unless you're accustomed to using old Windows machines, this may as well be code. It's like it's intentionally trying to confuse you.
12. Relationships with app vendors must be non-existent. If I was releasing an update to a platform which relies upon people being able to install apps, I'd make sure that the most common apps work on the new platform before release. This could involve providing phones and assistance to the big names. As it stands, neither Facebook nor Whatsapp (two of the top 5 most downloaded apps) work. Both of these are communications related. I feel cut off from the world. I'm sure this could have been sorted before release. Swype is another big name that doesn't support the screen resolution.
Google launched the Galaxy Nexus weeks ago. Facebook was initially unusable due to the absence of a menu button. The app was updated today to a version akin to the iPhone. However, the drag-to- refresh animations don't work as they should, and the damn thing will alert you of 'new messages' every 30 minutes if you have any unread, regardless of whether or not they are new. Atop this, Facebook will still not sync with official Google devices as Facebook does not properly use Google's contact API. Rather than being stubborn, Google should be helping Facebook, or seconding engineers, as they know full well that the majority of their users will require his service.
I appreciate that a lot of this is out of Google's hands, but this is just a warning to early-adopters – be prepared to lose the services you use most.
13. The browser is still useless with forms. Try entering text in a field. It'll type past the edge of your viewport and you can't scroll to the cursor. The viewport should follow the cursor. You can't zoom in and out because you can't get 'hold' of the web page due to the full-screen text entry field.
14. Horizontal lines everywhere. Did I mention that text fields are now horizontal lines? Text boxes are indistinguishable from divides and text doesn't sit on the lines so you never know where one ends and the other starts.
As I said, all in, it is an improvement. However, there is a heck of a lot of room for improvement. There is still a feeling that things aren't really designed, or connected; just a bit haphazard. I'm just hoping Cyanogen pulls something wonderful. For the standard consumer, the experience aspect is still playing catchup with Windows Phone and iOS.
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yawns, i respect your opinion. But i can list 15 things wrong with IOS5 as well. Overall ICS and android has matured over the few years android has existed. No product software/hardware is perfect. Most of the issues can be corrected with customization. Like i said i respect your complaints and opinions, but i just feel they are picky...Comparing the OS from my G1 to what android is now, i LOVE IT
Thanks for typing this up. While I still plan on buying it, I like to get a well-rounded opinion about the device and software. I have to agree with #12. Launching this device exclusively on one carrier and then delaying it is very embarrasing. I know, the better developers will have a Verizon account or buy the phone unlocked from an international dealer, but still not good. It makes it more difficult for app developers to work their apps for ICS.
I had to laugh at Eric Schmidt's thought that ICS will be #1 for development in 6 months. ICS wont be off exclusivity or on any other devices for at least 3 months.
First of all, the theme Android has used for Honeycomb and ICS - holographic, blue themes, etc. - is awesome. Everybody has their own opinion but for me it's no turn off.
As far as action button placement, Google's central idea on that is leave it to the developer to say where it goes - in the top bar? Bottom ribbon action bar? Wherever is more appropriate for the app design. Matias himself said he's pushing Android to a more unified UI style without straight-jacketing it (ala iOS).
As for apps being compatible with new releases, it's up to the developers to keep that up. Google is not responsible for if Swype or Facebook doesn't update their app before a new release.
And for saying Google should help Facebook, why should they? You realize Google has their own social network, don't you? It sounds like you do know that in the past Google has let Facebook basically hack their way into your contacts list separate from the Contacts API, but later blacklisted that because it didn't conform to their data exportability policy and API. "the majority of their users will require his [sic] service." Since the 2.3 update that cut out Facebook's hackish ways, customers who want Facebook integration in their Android phones should get something non-Nexus. That's why Google is advertising the deep integration with G+, not social media in general.
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First off; I love Android.
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Couldn't agree more. This could easily become the best Android phone I've bought (and I had them all), but at the same time it's the first one (and only one) I cannot stand because of the too many hiccups and bugs it has. Can you believe that I haven't put my main SIMcard in it yet? I keep playing with it at home, trying new roms and kernels, but when it comes to using it as my main phone... we're a long way from it!
- The Stock browser is not that good (have you tried to write something in a forum and then move the cursor back in the text to change a word? Good luck with that!!) and Dolphin Browser is not yet supported.
- As we know, Flash doesn't work yet (this is just hilarious).
- The stock Keyboard in the browser doesn't correct your mispelled words, and Smart Keyboard Pro doesn't work all the times.
- speakers are too quite, I have found a workaround using Volume + (but beware! The version available in the market is not working).
- if you try any animated wallpaper, UI will slow down painfully.
In the end as much as I love its gorgeous screen and huge potential, as things are now, I find it one of the most detestable phones out there.
Great job, Samsung/Google!
Nice write up....but so many of your complaints are just because you don't like them. Really your complaining about the color.... I'm sorry so much bothers you because honestly ICS makes Android and the Galaxy Nexus a great phone! Windows phone is a far cry from being compared to Android and IOS.
I'm all for putting out there the faults of devices but if you say I like Android -cut- I hate everything about it bla bla bla....um... how can you like it if you think another brand or device works better?? Wouldn't that mean you like _____ << insert favorite OS here??
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Windows phone is a far cry from being compared to Android and IOS.
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But on my Lumia 800 I can write effortlessly on this and every other forum, and things just work well!
I agree, colour is generally subjective. But what they've gone for is almost universally accepted as a poor choice by designers.
And to the dude above: I know very well that I can patch around a lot of these issues. I mentioned that in the article. However, most users buy this phone, don't root and don't change much.
ICS is good. IT could have been great.
And saying Google shouldn't be concerned that third party apps don't work is incredibly ignorant.
I was just using Whatapp two days ago and it was working fine. Is there something specific you were having problems with?
Three words. Point Zero one.
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I was just using Whatapp two days ago and it was working fine. Is there something specific you were having problems with?
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Mine FCs on startup. I think having group chats may kill it. I've read this in a few places.
All I see is waaah waah wahhh
I have to respectfully disagree with most of your observations.
I love almost everything about the redesign. I don't miss the search button at all. I love the color scheme, and don't really care about app incompatibilities because well, it's a Nexus device. It's a brand new OS version and really made for early adopters. Developers will work out the kinks and you'll see more ICS support for common apps in the next week or two, I'd guess.
I do agree with you about the inconsistent action bar. Google should put it in one place for all their core apps. 3rd party apps, you can't dictate, though. I don't mind the slight difference in look in some apps, though. I love the new People app and the way it's set up. But I don't think it fits in everywhere, so I'm glad they didn't force it in all over the place and try to look like WP7.
I can't comment on the UK speech settings, as I'm in the US and not using it. Really lame if it doesn't work, though. I also don't really mind the new text box look. It was a little confusing when I first saw it, but they're not that hard to recognize after you get used to it. I have mixed feelings about the permanent search box. I like it because it doesn't take a ton of space - especially with the 720p display. But I wish there was more customization.
All that said, I think the positives hugely outweigh the negatives. Most of what you posted is a little nitpicking. I don't blame you complaining about things not working as they should, but beyond that, I think the OS has come a very long way and looks amazing all around. Google has already said this is just the beginning of Android's design changes to make it more accessible and fun to use.
I can't wait to see Cyanogenmod's finished launcher. I know they made the search box removable, but we'll see. I do still love the stock launcher, too.
The ultimate question is:
Would you use another OS? I sure as hell would not! ICS is the best thing out there right now by far.
The ultimate question is:
Would you use another OS? I sure as hell would not! ICS is the best thing out there right now by far.
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agreed. i can't go back to either iOS or GB after using ics for the last 2
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To add the injuries, here are some things that are bad in ICS:
1. Contact photo is still low resolution after synced with GMAIL Contacts. This issue has not yet been solved for years already! Why? Do you run out of storage space to hold high resolution images?
2. The app drawer icon position in the button bar cannot be changed. I hate that thing, because I can't put Phone app there.
Why? If the argument is to never loose the app drawer, at least give ability to change the position.
3. Request Desktop version on the web browser doesn't stick!
Grrrt...!
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gogol said:
To add the injuries, here are some things that are bad in ICS:
1. Contact photo is still low resolution after synced with GMAIL Contacts. This issue has not yet been solved for years already! Why? Do you run out of storage space to hold high resolution images?
2. The app drawer icon position in the button bar cannot be changed. I hate that thing, because I can't put Phone app there.
Why? If the argument is to never loose the app drawer, at least give ability to change the position.
3. Request Desktop version on the web browser doesn't stick!
Grrrt...!
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lol. Grrrtt.
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To sum up your entire post: Nothing's perfect.
We know. But Google has done a superb job fixing many things, and hey will continue to improve in new updates to 4.0.
mike freegan said:
First off; I love Android. I think that Ice Cream Sandwich has led to a greater harmonisation of the Android operating system and adds a bit of polish to something functional. Google's apps are starting to feel like they belong together, rather than giving a sense that they're being produced by different teams who have little contact.
However, I'm no fanboy. I don't buy a product and deny that it has flaws just because a certain company produced it *ahem *. So here it is; one humble man's opinion on what's wrong with Ice cream Sandwich.
1. Blue theme.... really? There's a reason that designers avoid blue-on-black. It offers poor contrast, and looks cheap; much like the Geocities sites of the 90s. The blue taskbar and app icons used in ICS just don't go with... well... anything. It's all well and good being able to customise your home screen, but when anything except a blue background clashes it's all a little redundant.
2. The stock icons themselves are disgusting. We all knew this from the leaked screenshots, which forums were praying were fake. Mostly, they just don't look like they belong to the same set. There's no consistency. Half are blue, half are not. Some are three dimensional, and some are traditional, flat icons. Some are different sizes. They just don't work. They look cheap, childish and don't match the 'magazine' style of the UI overhaul. It's like someone realised at the last minute that they'd forgotten to redesign icons, so just did a Google Image search and used the first of each that they found.
3. Google Plus pages won't open in the Android Browser. This one is just plain embarrassing. Google's flagship device can't view Google's new hub outside of the restrictive app? The browser just panics and shuts down with no option to report it. Did no-one test this?
4. Google Talk isn't in the sharing options. That's right, click on the share icon within an app and it'll show you every way of sharing except Google Talk. Following the above, it seems like Google is boycotting their own services.
5. Speech to text for UK language setting is insane. After a few words, it seemingly switches to using your contacts directory as a dictionary, rather than real words. You end up with a full sentence made entirely of surnames and forenames. I cannot believe that no-one tested this.
6. Removing the search key doesn't just remove the ability to search from some apps; it means that you can no longer assign functions to long press, or use voice command from any app. You have to return to the home screen each time. This is a huge step backwards.
7. Similarly, this has led to a non-removable search box on the home screen. Not only does it take up space, but the white icon doesn't work on a light background. The customisability of Android has just been taken down another notch. Sure, you can use a 3rd party launcher, but with no search button, you need the box there for searches.
8. A minor point, but Android can't seem to decide if going for a futuristic hologram look, or the Windows Phone 7 style magazine layout. It's like Mathias Duarte turned up, and they said “Make our OS beautiful... but it still has to look like ugly old Honeycomb (TRON)." All in, it just feels a bit cheap and confused.
9. The soft keys which Google has opted for in ICS are not well positioned. The home key is far too close to the space bar, which is infuriating when typing.
10. The action bar is horrific to use. It means that the menu and search keys jump around the screen. So you're in the Facebook app and want to see the menu. Where is it? Well it's not where it used to be and there's no action bar. Oh wait, three dots have appeared in the soft-key bar. Ugly and inconsistent, but OK.
Switch to messaging. Where the heck is it? Ah it's in the top right now! The little scamp.
Now you're in Gmail. Where is the menace? I know you're here somewhere... Ah, there! In the action bar in the bottom right. Android Market: back up top! There is just no consistency and it makes everything feel disjointed and unpredictable.
The action bar essentially negates the large screen on the Galaxy Nexus. The row of soft keys, plus the action bar actually leads to a lower proportion of screen space for the app than on previous versions of Android.
11. Cut, Copy & Paste: What the hell were they thinking?! This doesn't just jump around based on app, but depending on which page of an app you're in. And even then, the buttons are different every time.
Take Gmail for example. Copying text from the body of an email: a menu appears in place of the action bar at the bottom. However, in the 'compose' screen this menu appears at the top, but with different icons. Another 'paste' button (but not using the paste icon) also appears above the selected text, but no cut or copy buttons. If you try and make a selection from a link, a long press summons a pop-up dialogue where paste is an option. That is four ways of pasting, just within the Gmail app.
Not to mention, that they've opted for icons with no words. Unless you're accustomed to using old Windows machines, this may as well be code. It's like it's intentionally trying to confuse you.
12. Relationships with app vendors must be non-existent. If I was releasing an update to a platform which relies upon people being able to install apps, I'd make sure that the most common apps work on the new platform before release. This could involve providing phones and assistance to the big names. As it stands, neither Facebook nor Whatsapp (two of the top 5 most downloaded apps) work. Both of these are communications related. I feel cut off from the world. I'm sure this could have been sorted before release. Swype is another big name that doesn't support the screen resolution.
Google launched the Galaxy Nexus weeks ago. Facebook was initially unusable due to the absence of a menu button. The app was updated today to a version akin to the iPhone. However, the drag-to- refresh animations don't work as they should, and the damn thing will alert you of 'new messages' every 30 minutes if you have any unread, regardless of whether or not they are new. Atop this, Facebook will still not sync with official Google devices as Facebook does not properly use Google's contact API. Rather than being stubborn, Google should be helping Facebook, or seconding engineers, as they know full well that the majority of their users will require his service.
I appreciate that a lot of this is out of Google's hands, but this is just a warning to early-adopters – be prepared to lose the services you use most.
13. The browser is still useless with forms. Try entering text in a field. It'll type past the edge of your viewport and you can't scroll to the cursor. The viewport should follow the cursor. You can't zoom in and out because you can't get 'hold' of the web page due to the full-screen text entry field.
14. Horizontal lines everywhere. Did I mention that text fields are now horizontal lines? Text boxes are indistinguishable from divides and text doesn't sit on the lines so you never know where one ends and the other starts.
As I said, all in, it is an improvement. However, there is a heck of a lot of room for improvement. There is still a feeling that things aren't really designed, or connected; just a bit haphazard. I'm just hoping Cyanogen pulls something wonderful. For the standard consumer, the experience aspect is still playing catchup with Windows Phone and iOS.
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1. Don't care .the only thing that is weird is white background in people app. I'd prefer it to be black like in missed call section.
2. Really? Icons brother you that much when you can change them?
3. The whole google isn't working properly in Android browser. Try searching for images in desktop view and tell my chow do you change to larger images ... this is issue that needs to be addressed directly to Google its not a browser issue
4. I presume you're an American. Here on the old continent we don't use gtalk. Well at least none of my friends is using this. We have things like Skype which is far more popular in EU
5. I'm guessing you're from Texas then . Well my accent isn't really British and everything I date 9 out of 10 times is spelt correctly. Ha I can even say that I use dictation more than actual keyboard. Its easier for me to say the text message then type it especially with my second language which Android keyboard does not have dictionary. So I can speak in either one of the two of my languages and its veeeeeeery accurate
6. Blame the developers not Google. They should be ready for new os
7. I love the search box its easy and accessible.
8. I love tron design. However I have to agree its a bit of hit and miss when it comes to design but colours can be changed in custom roms I bet that CM team will do it .
9. Wtf are you taking about. I'm typing this msg and didn't press home bar even once. Anyway try taping between space bar and home button .... it won't even work. Have you got arthritis?
10. Don't see problem here either.
11. Anything with action bar that you don't know what it does just press and hold on the icon there will be pop up window.
12. Again blame developers. Look at rovio. They could update their games at the same time for all devices and os but they choose not to. If the developer can be bothered to update his app in timely manner than who's fault is that?
13. agree with that.
14. Huh?
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The G4 has a copy/paste manager named Clip Tray. Apparently, this is a long-standing 'feature' of LG phones and tablets and has been baked into a number of previous LG devices.
When you select and copy some text or invoke the copy command in one of your apps, it presents you with a slide-out menu containing thumbnails of both the current and all previous text snippets it has stored in memory.
There's a lock button that seems to allow you to make selected clippings persist across reboots (really? why?) and a trash button that you can use to manually delete any or all clippings in the tray.
As useful as this might be, it could also lead to all sorts of problems - the whole thing seems designed to solve a problem nobody has (and to create all sorts of security issues), namely to make clippings persist in the clipboard for a long as possible. Why on earth would anybody want to keep potentially sensitive information in the clipboard 'forever'...?
Questions:
How do I manage the Clip Tray behaviour? I want to be able to set it so that it only remembers the last operation (like a 'traditional' clipboard), and a clipboard time-out.
What's the max number of clippings is it capable of holding? It would be rather worrisome if there was no limit on the number of copy/paste operations (other than your 3GB of RAM) it can store (and no way to manage it).
Is there a way to disable Clip Tray altogether? - I assume a clipboard manager such as Clipper would take over from Clip Tray when installed on your device, but I would like to explicitly disable it if possible.
Some have suggested that clearing the Clip Tray can fix input lag. I'm testing this theory now.
I cleared it and now the horrible almost one second lag on the QSlide Calculator is gone. I filled the clip tray with big URLs from the browser and left them there for a few days and the calculator was slightly laggy, but not as bad as before.
I too would like this gone, but for now I just hit the small arrow button that appears on the lower right of the screen after a Clip Tray operation and clear it manually each time. I wonder if the carrier and LG spyware index the Clip Tray too?
caffeinated.pants said:
The G4 has a copy/paste manager named Clip Tray. Apparently, this is a long-standing 'feature' of LG phones and tablets and has been baked into a number of previous LG devices.
When you select and copy some text or invoke the copy command in one of your apps, it presents you with a slide-out menu containing thumbnails of both the current and all previous text snippets it has stored in memory.
There's a lock button that seems to allow you to make selected clippings persist across reboots (really? why?) and a trash button that you can use to manually delete any or all clippings in the tray.
As useful as this might be, it could also lead to all sorts of problems - the whole thing seems designed to solve a problem nobody has (and to create all sorts of security issues), namely to make clippings persist in the clipboard for a long as possible. Why on earth would anybody want to keep potentially sensitive information in the clipboard 'forever'...?
Questions:
How do I manage the Clip Tray behaviour? I want to be able to set it so that it only remembers the last operation (like a 'traditional' clipboard), and a clipboard time-out.
What's the max number of clippings is it capable of holding? It would be rather worrisome if there was no limit on the number of copy/paste operations (other than your 3GB of RAM) it can store (and no way to manage it).
Is there a way to disable Clip Tray altogether? - I assume a clipboard manager such as Clipper would take over from Clip Tray when installed on your device, but I would like to explicitly disable it if possible.
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Been looking into this myself, the Clip Tray seems to be part of the LG Keyboard app, with no viable way to disable it without disabling the native keyboard completely. I'm still looking into it atm.
I tried freezing the official LG keyboard but the clip tray still appears when text is copied. Surely there is a way to disable this with root access by renaming certain system files?
l_p_4_7 said:
I tried freezing the official LG keyboard but the clip tray still appears when text is copied. Surely there is a way to disable this with root access by renaming certain system files?
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You know what thinking about it, it's probably incorporated into the SystemUI apk as it's built into the copy/paste function. So it's unlikely it can be hacked out easily. Really wish LG provided user control for it. It's so dam insecure.
IIIIkoolaidIIII said:
You know what thinking about it, it's probably incorporated into the SystemUI apk as it's built into the copy/paste function. So it's unlikely it can be hacked out easily. Really wish LG provided user control for it. It's so dam insecure.
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Yeah, it's not only annoying but a security risk. We can only hope that LG will provide an option to disable in a future update, or maybe there will be an Xposed module that removes it (when Xposed finally works with G4).
l_p_4_7 said:
Yeah, it's not only annoying but a security risk. We can only hope that LG will provide an option to disable in a future update, or maybe there will be an Xposed module that removes it (when Xposed finally works with G4).
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Won't be using Xposed, I only plan to. unlock once/if Cyanogenmod or a decent AOSP variant becomes available.
you can disable cliptray.
1. go into cliptray, and delete everything in there
2. go to /system/etc/permissions/com.lge.software.cliptray.xml and comment out the following line:
Code:
<feature name="com.lge.software.cliptray"/>
just add <!-- to the front, and --> to the end so it looks like:
Code:
<!-- <feature name="com.lge.software.cliptray"/> -->
reboot. and enjoy. unfortunately when you go to paste something, you'll still see "Paste, Cliptray", but cliptray wont work, nor will you see any dialogs
ExTREmE99 said:
you can disable cliptray.
1. go into cliptray, and delete everything in there
2. go to /system/etc/permissions/com.lge.software.cliptray.xml and comment out the following line:
Code:
<feature name="com.lge.software.cliptray"/>
just add <!-- to the front, and --> to the end so it looks like:
Code:
<!-- <feature name="com.lge.software.cliptray"/> -->
reboot. and enjoy. unfortunately when you go to paste something, you'll still see "Paste, Cliptray", but cliptray wont work, nor will you see any dialogs
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Or just disable the LG Keyboard (as long as you have another installed) this disables clip tray and removes all trace of it from copy and paste.
IIIIkoolaidIIII said:
Or just disable the LG Keyboard (as long as you have another installed) this disables clip tray and removes all trace of it from copy and paste.
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that never worked for me. i disabled the LG keyboard as soon as i installed debloater
ExTREmE99 said:
that never worked for me. i disabled the LG keyboard as soon as i installed debloater
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Works grat for me, have you got root? I just rooted my device using the new method and used titanium backup to freeze the LG keyboard and all gone.
IIIIkoolaidIIII said:
Works grat for me, have you got root? I just rooted my device using the new method and used titanium backup to freeze the LG keyboard and all gone.
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obviously i have root, otherwise i wouldnt be able to disable cliptray with the method i posted above.
Yep, disabling the LG keyboard should do the trick. Unfortunately that only works on rooted devices - you cannot fully disable the LG keyboard on a non-rooted phone right now. I agree with everyone else saying LG really should make that available with an update. It's a security issue, and as such disabling Clip tray, or even simply adjusting its behaviour, should be available to everyone.
They could simply add settings to Clip Tray that allow you to put a time limit (say 60s, 3 minutes) on stuff being stored there, and more importantly to create a blacklist of apps like password managers that should never use Clip Tray.
caffeinated.pants said:
Yep, disabling the LG keyboard should do the trick.
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Not for me. The above mentioned xml edit works though.
0rigin said:
Not for me. The above mentioned xml edit works though.
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unfortunately, i learned recently that disabling cliptray, also screws up screenshots. if you take a screenshot, the systemui tries to write the screenshot to the cliptray, and cant, since it's disabled, so the "Saving Screenshot.." notification gets stuck. the only way to remove the notification is to force close systemui or reboot. you can still take screenshots with 3rd party apps, or quickmemo, but the built in android screenshot function (volume down + power key) breaks until someone can remove the offending cliptray code from systemui
ExTREmE99 said:
unfortunately, i learned recently that disabling cliptray, also screws up screenshots. if you take a screenshot, the systemui tries to write the screenshot to the cliptray, and cant, since it's disabled, so the "Saving Screenshot.." notification gets stuck. the only way to remove the notification is to force close systemui or reboot. you can still take screenshots with 3rd party apps, or quickmemo, but the built in android screenshot function (volume down + power key) breaks until someone can remove the offending cliptray code from systemui
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With the "notify clean" module you can disable some notifications while not disabling others from the same app. Might help you.
ExTREmE99 said:
you can disable cliptray.
1. go into cliptray, and delete everything in there
2. go to /system/etc/permissions/com.lge.software.cliptray.xml and comment out the following line:
Code:
<feature name="com.lge.software.cliptray"/>
just add <!-- to the front, and --> to the end so it looks like:
Code:
<!-- <feature name="com.lge.software.cliptray"/> -->
reboot. and enjoy. unfortunately when you go to paste something, you'll still see "Paste, Cliptray", but cliptray wont work, nor will you see any dialogs
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IIIIkoolaidIIII said:
Or just disable the LG Keyboard (as long as you have another installed) this disables clip tray and removes all trace of it from copy and paste.
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Thx a lot. That worked with lg g4 and 10e software.
I'll think that is a great security hole from lg.
I am using keepass and all my passwords was visible in the clip tray.
Now they are gone
Thx
popy2006 said:
Thx a lot. That worked with lg g4 and 10e software.
I'll think that is a great security hole from lg.
I am using keepass and all my passwords was visible in the clip tray.
Now they are gone
Thx
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Btw, keepass has an option where you can tell it to never use the Android clipboard - if enabled, which I strongly recommend, your passwords won't show up in LG's Clip Tray either.
If only the suggestions here were remotely helpful. I have root also, disabling the lg keyboard does absolutely nothing to stop the annoyance of clip tray. i cannot even paste properly with this fking thing, when i hold to paste, clit tray stupidly selects the surrounding letters/word next to the cursor, i cannot simply paste something in without replacing something else (not at all what i want) like how i need to on occasion. Is lg really this shortsighted?
There's a thread on reddit about disabling ClipTray and preserving the screenshot functionality:
reddit.com/r/lgg4/comments/3ywx84/psa_how_to_disable_clip_tray_requires_root_or_twrp/cyig5lt
For me this works beautifully
Hello.
I dont know if it is an android issue or a google chrome issue. Then i don't know if i am in the right place.
When i read something on chrome mobile on my Samsung galaxy note.
And i want to make a copy of several lines or several words, i put my finger on a word. It highlights one word and the copy past floating menu appears. Then i want to make the highlight zone bigger. When i start to do that with my finger, the floating menu disappear and never come back.
And then i cannot copy anything.
You can see on these videos :
https://youtu.be/xJbruDeG4T8
https://youtu.be/lC_NsRNUCzE
https://youtu.be/CTtBB0yLVFM
Then how can i copy past several lines of words on google chrome on my galaxy note 10 ?
Thank you
The copy and paste worked ok for me I just tried it. I long pressed on the beginning and slid my finger across and down everything I wanted to copy.
I don't know why
In somes sites like xda it when ok
On other sites it work like on the videos...
parisien99 said:
Hello.
I dont know if it is an android issue or a google chrome issue. Then i don't know if i am in the right place.
When i read something on chrome mobile on my Samsung galaxy note.
And i want to make a copy of several lines or several words, i put my finger on a word. It highlights one word and the copy past floating menu appears. Then i want to make the highlight zone bigger. When i start to do that with my finger, the floating menu disappear and never come back.
And then i cannot copy anything.
You can see on these videos :
Then how can i copy past several lines of words on google chrome on my galaxy note 10 ?
Thank you
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Yes i know exactly what you're talking about. That has happened to me plenty. I'm not sure if it's a bug with google or Samsung. How I'm able to work around it sometime, when the bug occurs, I would tap and hold while dragging slightly left or right, then release.This usually causes the floating menu to reappear. Hope that helps.
Hello and thank you for your answer.
I tried what you said with no success.
For example i don't have this issue on xda..
I do not have this problem either, probably a spammy bug, all his new releases have so many problems!
I do have a copy paste problem that is for sure a spammy issue though, because I can't get a new flat screen note 10 anymore because spammy must have his broken screens for job security lol, so with the "fake" tempered plastic curved screen protectors out now, they have a chemical coating that makes them super slippery and so when you try ti copy and paste it's way more difficult to do because you have to be a robot to keep your finger still as a stone now, all because of crazy spammy!!
I've gotten around this problem by using the FooView app. It's a floating button app that allows you to highlight pretty much anything on your screen, then let's you crop, search, edit, save, and select images, text and text in images. It's really customizable, and I use it everyday.
I'm not able to post links, just search FooView in the Google play store and you'll find it.
Cut and Paste on a Note is best done using your S-pen, not your finger... Tap, hold & drag, or use Smart Select.