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Insider News from Samsung Korea internal situation...

Source: Korea Samsung Headquarters clerk (from my country) sharing with his friend.
Reporting:
- Several High positioned personal resignations.
- The Firm stands strong and united, instead of despairing over the situation.
- Samsung's Engineers are working overtime over a new technology that will revolutionize the smartphone market. Priorly, this technology was supposed to be targeted for the following years. But after the Note 7 disaster, they decided to push it for the next Smartphone release.
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Opinion: Sounds legit. Just wanted to share the news. Nothing official of course.

I guess these "high positioned personnel" are the ones who pushed for batteries to be made by Samsung SDI. What makes it even more disappointing is, the replacement units are still SDI batteries. While we've heard nothing from the China region units with ATL batteries.
Samsung should shut their factory down and just stick with the winning formula.
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Bad idea to start pushing for quick new technology. Look at the disaster the Note 7 was because it was rushed.

B3501 said:
Bad idea to start pushing for quick new technology. Look at the disaster the Note 7 was because it was rushed.
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Agreed.
Instead they should solidify their present technology like avoiding explosions...

B3501 said:
Bad idea to start pushing for quick new technology. Look at the disaster the Note 7 was because it was rushed.
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How do you know this? You don't. We don't know the cause yet.

Well! Tell them to fu** ing explain to us what was it they messed up so bad to infringe our personal property, safety and make us a ton of expences we will never get back!! Tell them they should be convincingnus they are not incompetent to make electronisc anymore in the first place!!

Its not the batteries that are causing the exploding. Its the tweaking of the software that controls the processor to run fast charging. Samsung tried to get a faster charge than all previous devices and screwed the pooch on the software. They can probably issue a software/firmware update but people will not be happy and it may not be a permanent fix.
I have turned fast charging off via the cable and wireless. I have zero over heating problems, zero lag issues, phone is acting like a phone. the real catch is concealing it when traveling on a plane etc.... That is the hard part. I will probably turn my Note 3 into my travel device for music and games and such. Like a glorified Android iPod touch. Ill just turn disable to mobile data and phone stuff, hide the sim card removed icon.
A lot of work still. Damnit Samsung.....

My note 7's (both the original and the replacement) have worked basically perfectly. They don't overheat, don't lag, really not a single problem. The Note 7 is by far the best overall smartphone made to date. Best display, best display to overall size ratio, best camera, waterproof, etc. Only two issues I would say are the edge display which makes a tempered screen protector impossible and a so-so external speaker. And of course the kicker - the non-removable battery. Had they just made it with a removable battery this issue would have not been a phone-killer. It is sad that the best phone ever made to date is killed off like this. And we still have no definitive answer to what is the problem? Seems incomprehensible.

htusa said:
Its not the batteries that are causing the exploding. Its the tweaking of the software that controls the processor to run fast charging. Samsung tried to get a faster charge than all previous devices and screwed the pooch on the software. They can probably issue a software/firmware update but people will not be happy and it may not be a permanent fix.
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That sounds like speculation. These devices have been melting without being charged. We don't even know if Samsung knows what the actual problem is. Hopefully it all comes out so we get some reassurance about their next phones.

I read a lil bit ago that they didn't know what the actual problem was which is why they decided to kill it. They had over 100 people testing them round the clock and could not duplicate the issue of causing one to smoke/catch fire... of course though they were an anonymous
person close to the situation.
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"I think the phone, processor, get hot and bothered in its close quarters and makes the already temperamental battery mad and it throws a tantrum..."
* I heard this while hiding in a garbage pail in an undisclosed location.

Itchiee said:
"I think the phone, processor, get hot and bothered in its close quarters and makes the already temperamental battery mad and it throws a tantrum..."
* I heard this while hiding in a garbage pail in an undisclosed location.
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htusa said:
the real catch is concealing it when traveling on a plane etc
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Look, I get it, I want to keep my phone as well, and I am not sure what I will do. But to fly with it, while you base the rest on rumors, is plain irresponsible. What you do at home is your business, but getting on a plane with several hundred passengers and a possibly defective phone isn't (there's literally no way for you to tell whether your phone is safe or not). Samsung did after all improve the replacements as they are reportedly catching fire without being charged.

Burn Numbers Don't Stack Up

2.5 million devices with 100 burns or 1 per 25,000. Figures suggest 300,000 still being used and no burns. 1 per 25,000 would produce 12 burns. Why the sudden lack of a problem.?

I just figured that, once the harm was done, no more note 7 burning, I really thougjt of that since it started to pop out all over, as if someome was indeed pouring fuel to a minor incident all this clearly benefitted 2 or 3 companies

It is an obvious conspiracy its true. The phone was too good and a bunch of apple employees and the other competitors are probably behind it... I wouldn't doubt it. The whole thing is fishy as hell including the one dude charging his phone in his hot vehicle and leaving it there... NO WONDER IT EXPLODED any lithium ion would!
Honestly I think that samsung broke some rule that held back battery tech. They don't want a phone on the market you don't have to bump charge or a whole segment of the technology market would be dead. No need to bump charge? no cables or portable chargers needed any more!
This whole thing disgusts me. I have bought a dozen phones over a dozen years and finally figured I was done with it.... now im not... PURE BS!
What more I can't even believe all the sheep who turned theirs in for another lesser phone for the same price which means another 1+ year of installments. The phone companies are going to be really surprised once these people figure out that they can't get the note7 replacement (s8plus) when its released in a few months and they will come with pitchforks and torches!!!!
Meanwhile the execs at samsung and the telcos are thinking they got away with that scam!
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I just figured that, once the harm was done, no more note 7 burning, I really thougjt of that since it started to pop out all over, as if someome was indeed pouring fuel to a minor incident all this clearly benefitted 2 or 3 companies
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Rick GM said:
2.5 million devices with 100 burns or 1 per 25,000. Figures suggest 300,000 still being used and no burns. 1 per 25,000 would produce 12 burns. Why the sudden lack of a problem.?
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You're missing the point. Some burn. Samsung can't/hasn't identified the problem to figure out what makes certain Note7's burn. Samsung's ridiculed and rather than play whack-a-mole with the problem kills the Note7 completely. Government and consumer protection agencies don't like things that have unidentified problems that cause them to randomly burn so they banish the Note7 worldwide. It's not the ratio of Note7's that have/will burn it's the randomness of not knowing to who, when, or where it will happen. Samsung themselves put the ratio at .01% which is a pretty small incidence of occurrence. But obviously enough to cause them to lose $5+B by killing the Note7 as a precaution. Pretty much sums it up.

BarryH_GEG said:
You're missing the point. Some burn.... It's not the ratio of Note7's that have/will burn it's the randomness of not knowing to who, when, or where it will happen.
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300,000 is a vast sample for statistical analysis. I'm not missing the point I'm pointing out an undeniable anomaly.

Yet you all choose to ignore cases that have been reported after the recall. I don't quite get that but OK...you may still keep your phones even if it still happens as far as I am concerned.

BarryH_GEG said:
You're missing the point. Some burn. Samsung can't/hasn't identified the problem to figure out what makes certain Note7's burn. Samsung's ridiculed and rather than play whack-a-mole with the problem kills the Note7 completely. Government and consumer protection agencies don't like things that have unidentified problems that cause them to randomly burn so they banish the Note7 worldwide. It's not the ratio of Note7's that have/will burn it's the randomness of not knowing to who, when, or where it will happen. Samsung themselves put the ratio at .01% which is a pretty small incidence of occurrence. But obviously enough to cause them to lose $5+B by killing the Note7 as a precaution. Pretty much sums it up.
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No, it doesn't pretty much sum it up Barry. The rate of failures is critical to the argument. Many different phones suffer from random overheating events and occasionally catching fire and if you applied the same logic of "we don't know which ones, therefore we are cancelling and withdrawing the product", then you wouldn't have an iPhone7 on the market either! Nor an S7 Edge for that matter!
The Note7 has supposedly been withdrawn because there are too many overheating events (and let's not fall into the media's ploy of causing everything an "explosion"). If since the 2nd recall there have not been "too many", then the 2nd recall was unjustified from a consumer safety perspective. What it imho demonstrates is that this is no longer really about safety concerns at all, it's about Samsung putting their brand image and fear of law suits above any concerns for inconvenience and financial loss of their customers.
There have been I think zero overheating Note7's at all in the UK (maybe there might have been 1). That level of failure does not justify the huge inconvenience, financial loss and disappointment to thousands of customers.

notefreak said:
...you may still keep your phones even if it still happens as far as I am concerned.
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Thank you.

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Thank you.
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LOL hahaha what I meant was you don't need to defend your choice. Just my opinion of course .

mooncraterx said:
It is an obvious conspiracy its true. The phone was too good and a bunch of apple employees and the other competitors are probably behind it... I wouldn't doubt it. The whole thing is fishy as hell................
Meanwhile the execs at samsung and the telcos are thinking they got away with that scam!
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Can you elaborate on that please. Thanks.
Ryland
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Galaxy S7Image credit: Amarjit Mann
Samsung’s problems with exploding smartphones are showing no signs of abating despite the recall of the Galaxy Note 7 handset.
A man from Canada is currently recuperating from injuries after claiming his Galaxy S7 phone exploded in his hands last weekend.
Amarjit Mann, 34, was hospitalised after suffering second and third degree burns on his hands. He told reporters he was driving when he felt a ‘warmness’ from the handset in his pocket.
Related: Samsung Galaxy S7 review - Still the Android phone to beat?
He told the Winnipeg Sun (via Gizmodo): “I took it out and had it in my hands and it exploded right away.
“When you see smoke, I was shocked. You cannot expect this thing. It was like a nightmare. Imagine if the phone was (at my ear); my whole face would’ve burnt."
Mann said the device actually stuck to his hand and sparks hit him just below the eye.
He now has his still-functioning eyes on legal action saying he plans to sue for personal injury and lost wages.
“I never had such a bad (burn) in my life. People need to be aware of this. It’s like a bomb you can carry.”
Samsung is yet to comment.
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Samsung Galaxy Note 7
Samsung plans to sell refurbished Galaxy Note 7 handsets, according to a new report.
After two dramatic recalls, termination of manufacturing, and a plea for customers to turn off all Note 7 handsets forever, it was safe to assume Samsung had killed off its latest flagship for good. But a report from The Investor, the Korea Herald’s business blog, suggests that Samsung isn’t quite done with its most fiery phone.
Reporters at the publication, which is based on Samsung’s South Korean home turf, believe that Samsung may begin selling refurbished Galaxy Note 7 handsets as soon as 2017. One industry source is quoted as saying: “Samsung has not made a final decision yet, but it will likely sell the refurbished Note 7 units next year.”
According to the report, Samsung will likely target emerging markets like India and Vietnam, where low-end phones are typically popular. The Note 7 is a seriously expensive handset, but it’s likely Samsung will drop the price significantly considering the phone’s reputation, and the fact that they’re refurbished models. This would be an excellent chance for Samsung to rid itself of spare Note 7 stock, and recoup some cash in the process.
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samsung galaxy note 7
Samsung first recalled the Galaxy Note 7 on September 2 after an internal investigation uncovered a serious battery flaw that was causing some users’ handsets to explode. The phone maker then had to issue a second recall after it emerged that some replaced handsets were also exploding. The Galaxy Note 7 is now no longer available to purchase, with Samsung reportedly focusing all attention on next year’s Galaxy S8.
Samsung is expected to release its next flagship phone in February or March next year, with a Galaxy Note 8 model confirmed to be coming later in 2017.
Unfortunately, Samsung declined to comment on this article.
Read more at http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/...-note-7-phones-apparently#jssR2szXZLC9xU9K.99

Chippy_boy said:
...The Note7 has supposedly been withdrawn because there are too many overheating events (and let's not fall into the media's ploy of causing everything an "explosion")...
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Supposedly is a good word for all this BS. Because all the data which we have it is coming from the MEDIA! Samsung said they had less than 40 devices catching fire and the rest of them with OVERHEATING problem. But all this data is "REPORTEDLY" coming from MEDIA and very few of them directly from users. Media is not a technical testing laboratory. Most of the times is a BRAIN WASHING machine. I'm sorry to say that but is what I'm feeling when I see such amount of crap coming from them. Media is not my mother, not my father, not my family and for sure not my friend. Media is not INVESTIGATING anymore. Just REPORTING. For who... I don't know anymore. But it is a fact. I keep trying and trying to figure out how come that... man(I restraining myself...) he manage to took out the phone from his pocket and to have that amount of burns while was DRIVING?! He grab the phone in his hands and staring at him, contemplating the picture??? How can you keep the phone with both hands when you see is on fire? And driving in the same time? The flames are coming out just on one side not on both. Not to mention... the first instinct when you see something is on fire on you're hands, is to drop down that damn thing or to throw out of the window not to staring at him. I saw also that picture and... excuse my french... i can't see any f......g explosion on that phone. Just usual melted glass and battery. And shattered glass on top corners and in the middle. Wich is pretty damn unusual... is looking like that phone was first dropped and after that was catching fire. A phone is not a damn C4, is not a damn bomb, a phone is not exploding... is popping out and thats it. I saw a couple weeks ago another video with a women and his husband in the middle of the night with a phone on fire. Supposedly a Note 7. What was amazed me was... that women trying to figure out in the dark where is the bed and the pillows because she wanted to fall dramatically... This madness has to stop. It's way beyond any common sense. It's unbelievable how easy we fall in those stories "reported" by the media. Yes the Note 7 is done... yes Samsung took the bait and is them fault for that... yes everybody is entitled to have their opinion but I hope that indeed will be their opinion. Education does not come from THE media. From media we have just craziness in these cases. Often we no longer think with our brains unfortunately, we let others to do that. And it's a pretty shame. I'm a tech guy and I like competition on the market. But as we see... even Note 7 is dead... IT HAS NO COMPETITION! And... boy oh boy, I really feel good because of that. I wish everyone all the best and I hope we can cool down a little bit.[emoji106] [emoji4]
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To OP: There many flaws in your oversimplification of numbers and stats, but I'll point out two that nobody has commented on yet.
1. There are not only 2.5 million Note 7 devices. 2.5 million purchases, but not devices. Remember: 2.5 million Note 7's had to be REPLACED, and most Note 7 owners owned TWO Note 7's. Not one.
There are probably closer to 4-5 million Note 7's out there.
SO, it's probably even less likely that an individual Note 7 will burn than you suggest.
2. The media won't be reporting any more burns because it's old news at this point. Any new burns and the media would simply say, "so what, we've known for months that the Note 7 is a dangerous device." A story like that now wouldn't increase readership. And that's what it pretty much boils down to when it comes to the media nowadays: will this story increase our readership?
The answer is no for a burned Note 7 that was intentionally not returned after being recalled by the manufacturer for being dangerous.

Spike96... Not sure what your point is but your figures simply add to the mystery.

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Supposedly is a good word for all this BS. Because all the data which we have it is coming from the MEDIA! Samsung said they had less than 40 devices catching fire and the rest of them with OVERHEATING problem. But all this data is "REPORTEDLY" coming from MEDIA and very few of them directly from users. Media is not a technical testing laboratory. Most of the times is a BRAIN WASHING machine. I'm sorry to say that but is what I'm feeling when I see such amount of crap coming from them. Media is not my mother, not my father, not my family and for sure not my friend. Media is not INVESTIGATING anymore. Just REPORTING. For who... I don't know anymore. But it is a fact. I keep trying and trying to figure out how come that... man(I restraining myself...) he manage to took out the phone from his pocket and to have that amount of burns while was DRIVING?! He grab the phone in his hands and staring at him, contemplating the picture??? How can you keep the phone with both hands when you see is on fire? And driving in the same time? The flames are coming out just on one side not on both. Not to mention... the first instinct when you see something is on fire on you're hands, is to drop down that damn thing or to throw out of the window not to staring at him. I saw also that picture and... excuse my french... i can't see any f......g explosion on that phone. Just usual melted glass and battery. And shattered glass on top corners and in the middle. Wich is pretty damn unusual... is looking like that phone was first dropped and after that was catching fire. A phone is not a damn C4, is not a damn bomb, a phone is not exploding... is popping out and thats it. I saw a couple weeks ago another video with a women and his husband in the middle of the night with a phone on fire. Supposedly a Note 7. What was amazed me was... that women trying to figure out in the dark where is the bed and the pillows because she wanted to fall dramatically... This madness has to stop. It's way beyond any common sense. It's unbelievable how easy we fall in those stories "reported" by the media. Yes the Note 7 is done... yes Samsung took the bait and is them fault for that... yes everybody is entitled to have their opinion but I hope that indeed will be their opinion. Education does not come from THE media. From media we have just craziness in these cases. Often we no longer think with our brains unfortunately, we let others to do that. And it's a pretty shame. I'm a tech guy and I like competition on the market. But as we see... even Note 7 is dead... IT HAS NO COMPETITION! And... boy oh boy, I really feel good because of that. I wish everyone all the best and I hope we can cool down a little bit.[emoji106] [emoji4]
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Well said!

Chippy_boy said:
No, it doesn't pretty much sum it up Barry. The rate of failures is critical to the argument. Many different phones suffer from random overheating events and occasionally catching fire and if you applied the same logic of "we don't know which ones, therefore we are cancelling and withdrawing the product", then you wouldn't have an iPhone7 on the market either! Nor an S7 Edge for that matter!
The Note7 has supposedly been withdrawn because there are too many overheating events (and let's not fall into the media's ploy of causing everything an "explosion"). If since the 2nd recall there have not been "too many", then the 2nd recall was unjustified from a consumer safety perspective. What it imho demonstrates is that this is no longer really about safety concerns at all, it's about Samsung putting their brand image and fear of law suits above any concerns for inconvenience and financial loss of their customers.
There have been I think zero overheating Note7's at all in the UK (maybe there might have been 1). That level of failure does not justify the huge inconvenience, financial loss and disappointment to thousands of customers.
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Exactly what you mentioned above
but to CLARIFY there is ZERO overheating Note7's at all in the UK!!!!
Come on people use your mind to guess who is behind it and who wants keep profit on their side!!!
You do not know?
Psst. It is one company with some fruit in logo
My IP will get probably flagged for this comment.
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Rick GM said:
Spike96... Not sure what your point is but your figures simply add to the mystery.
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My point is that it's very difficult to estimate these "burn numbers that don't stack up".
I just came from my stats class. We learned today that extrapolation (what you're doing here) is very dangerous. Interpolation is OK, but when you extrapolate, you can be extremely off in your estimates.
Really, the only reliable source of information for Note 7 burn numbers is Samsung. Nobody can possibly have any idea of what's going on except them (least of all the media). Considering Samsung still hasn't pinpointed the problem, I'm not even sure they know themselves what's going on.
Don't extrapolate based on media estimates. There is so much wrong with that.

Spike96 said:
My point is that it's very difficult to estimate these "burn numbers that don't stack up".
I just came from my stats class. We learned today that extrapolation (what you're doing here) is very dangerous. Interpolation is OK, but when you extrapolate, you can be extremely off in your estimates.
Really, the only reliable source of information for Note 7 burn numbers is Samsung. Nobody can possibly have any idea of what's going on except them (least of all the media). Considering Samsung they still hasn't pinpointed the problem, I'm not even sure they know themselves what's going on.
Don't extrapolate based on media estimates. There is so much wrong with that.
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Cut to the chase. There is so much wrong with buying into ANYTHING media related.
There, fixed it for you. And for all you 'Coincidence Theorists' out there the media IS a "brainwashing machine", NOT your mother or your father.

Thanks Spike96 for letting me know about what you learnt in your Stats class. Sorry about my dangerous extrapolation rather than interpolation but hey let's stick with common sense - the figures don't stack up.

Spike96 said:
My point is that it's very difficult to estimate these "burn numbers that don't stack up".
I just came from my stats class. We learned today that extrapolation (what you're doing here) is very dangerous. Interpolation is OK, but when you extrapolate, you can be extremely off in your estimates.
Really, the only reliable source of information for Note 7 burn numbers is Samsung. Nobody can possibly have any idea of what's going on except them (least of all the media). Considering Samsung still hasn't pinpointed the problem, I'm not even sure they know themselves what's going on.
Don't extrapolate based on media estimates. There is so much wrong with that.
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Thanks Spike96 for letting me know about what you learnt in your Stats class. Sorry about my dangerous extrapolation rather than interpolation but hey let's stick with common sense - the figures don't stack up.
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Intelligence and Intuition > Intellect

Clearly user error, explained.
No hardware problem found, nothing to blame, yet it still happened. The only viable reason, the consumers. The stupid, not tech savy consumer I should say.
Imagine a person with little to no experiencd with computer building or a siglr forethought on how hardware operates. Pretty typical.
Now create a super phone and give it to them. (Equivilent to giving a movie star a lambo)
The poor phone works so hard with never closed back ground apps, wifi on, ram maxed out, sync on, gps on, demanding games played, screen full brightness, streaming video and charging all at once.
Clearly this couldn't be the issue. Everyones too smart to let this happen. -_-

razer or op5t?

Usually, I don't really like topics like this.... But now I need your opinions, guys!
Accidentally smashed my op3 and now I need a new toy.
Already watched a massive amount of videos on YouTube about the razer phone. Love the style, the shape.
However, I'm still can't decide.
Razer or OP5T?
I'm waiting for your thoughts, opinions, etc.
Thanks in advance.

i had the razer phone i sent it back less than a week, dont get me wrong love the retro metallic build and speakers. but the software seems unfinished and non optimised. the screen as fluid as it is @ 120hz just cannot compare to the OP5T in vibrancy and the screen on the RP is just shockingly too dim (even the Nokia phones have brighter LCD Screens). the op5t just feels more polished and its software more snappy. I really REALLY REALLYYYYYYY wanted to like the Razer Phone, but OP5T just seems to me a much better overall package having used both. This is totes subjective of course ...

Gave away my s8 plus and got the Razer. Love it exept for the camera. Se what they will to when oreo hits. But If I where you i would go with 5T.

QV1sten there was another Camera update this morning

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QV1sten there was another Camera update this morning
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Yepp and still isn't any good in my opinion, sadly.

I've got both infront of me currently, struggling to decide.
Unfortunately the 5T is giving me a bit of trouble recently.
The others are right, the RP screen is absolutely darker than others, roughly 60% of the 5T brightness and colours can seem a little washed out due to AMOLED vs LCD.
Battery life isn't anything to shout about either really and don't get me started on the camera! jeez.
Lastly, and this might come as a shock, the 5T puts out more decibels than the razer phone, the last update really undermined the volume and now my 5T has about 15% more volume, not clearer of course, but yeh.
All that being said, the Razer phone is built well, and the 120hz screen is nice! I'm trying to justify the brightness by the fact that Razer are wanting to reduce burn in and prolong the life expectancy of the phone, I guess it's not too bad really.
I'm gonna keep using the razer and sell the one I like the least after a week. Don't get me started on the camera or should I say "potato".

The one thing I don't like about the display is that it is "sunken". Nowadays most displays the glass and the picture are together, like you're literally touching the pictures. But on the Razer, you can tell that the picture is below the glass, which is weird as I haven't seen that in phones in the past 3 to 4 years at least. Not sure if I explained that correctly, but that's a con to me. I think mkhbd mentioned this in the preview video

I'm thinking about buy the phone to replace my LG V10 battery life pretty much bad on it and LG pressing trying me to buy a battery for it but they not selling it them from the website

Jonnyn93 said:
All that being said, the Razer phone is built well, and the 120hz screen is nice! I'm trying to justify the brightness by the fact that Razer are wanting to reduce burn in and prolong the life expectancy of the phone, I guess it's not too bad really.
I'm gonna keep using the razer and sell the one I like the least after a week. Don't get me started on the camera or should I say "potato".
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LCD screens don't burn in. That's pretty much an AMOLED trait. The low brightness is a consequence of the 120hz technology.

after all the issues i've had with the Razer from the moment it went live to buy and now loosing a SE for a standard edition (currently using a wileyfox while the RMA process is happening) I considering selling mine on to get a different phone too.
The OP5T was on my radar as a replacement but if i'm honest I don't trust the company anymore, after the OP5 (which I had before the Razer) and it's hardware issues and OP halting the manufacturing of it so quickly so no one could buy anymore screamed of a new one with the hardware issues fixed and on top of that then there's the personal info they were taking it was the final straw and I sold the OP, of course I cuold have flashed a custom ROM onto it but i'm kinda done with that whole thing these days myself.
if you're set on the two devices it's a hard call. if you don't mind the OP personal info thing and never got burnt from them before (grant that little bit there is completely personal to me) then go for the OP5T, it'll have fantastic custom ROM support too if that's something you want.
my personal other option was the Essential Phone which tbh I think i'll get instead.

Roxas598 said:
after all the issues i've had with the Razer from the moment it went live to buy and now loosing a SE for a standard edition (currently using a wileyfox while the RMA process is happening) I considering selling mine on to get a different phone too.
The OP5T was on my radar as a replacement but if i'm honest I don't trust the company anymore, after the OP5 (which I had before the Razer) and it's hardware issues and OP halting the manufacturing of it so quickly so no one could buy anymore screamed of a new one with the hardware issues fixed and on top of that then there's the personal info they were taking it was the final straw and I sold the OP, of course I cuold have flashed a custom ROM onto it but i'm kinda done with that whole thing these days myself.
if you're set on the two devices it's a hard call. if you don't mind the OP personal info thing and never got burnt from them before (grant that little bit there is completely personal to me) then go for the OP5T, it'll have fantastic custom ROM support too if that's something you want.
my personal other option was the Essential Phone which tbh I think i'll get instead.
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Thanks for sharing your opinion. I was thinking about the Essential phone, too.... But impossible to buy it in the EU(legally)
It is now 99%, that I go for the op5t.

hunhool said:
Thanks for sharing your opinion. I was thinking about the Essential phone, too.... But impossible to buy it in the EU(legally)
It is now 99%, that I go for the op5t.
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you can get amazon US to ship you one which is what my plans are when I get the Razer phone back and sell it on, but yeah overall as of right now the OP5T has the better experience (other than sound quality of course)

Roxas598 said:
you can get amazon US to ship you one which is what my plans are when I get the Razer phone back and sell it on, but yeah overall as of right now the OP5T has the better experience (other than sound quality of course)
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Wow, just checked it and realised, I could order it from the US.
To be honest the phone looks amazing, however there is no community (especially here at xda) at all.

hunhool said:
Wow, just checked it and realised, I could order it from the US.
To be honest the phone looks amazing, however there is no community (especially here at xda) at all.
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You're right the development portion of the device is lacking on here but the company do bi weekly ask me anything on the subreddit so they're very vocal. If I'm honest the lack of support imo is because of the A/B partition (something the razer has) and the lack of sales due to it costing so much on release. Now it's went down and essential are implementing project treble it might get better via custom ROMs
But again that's not very important to me anymore.

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LCD screens don't burn in. That's pretty much an AMOLED trait. The low brightness is a consequence of the 120hz technology.
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Actually, LCD can burn in. It's just far more rare.

xocomaox said:
Actually, LCD can burn in. It's just far more rare.
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Actually, I never claimed it COULDN'T. I said it's more of an AMOLED issue. I have yet to see an LCD burn in.
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greyhulk said:
Actually, I never claimed it COULDN'T. I said it's more of an AMOLED issue. I have yet to see an LCD burn in.
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Sorry, I misunderstood what you said. I figured "don't" meant they never do.

xocomaox said:
Sorry, I misunderstood what you said. I figured "don't" meant they never do.
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I could have stated it better. Sorry if I came off as snarky.
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greyhulk said:
I could have stated it better. Sorry if I came off as snarky.
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No problem. I think we can all agree that the Razer's screen is inferior to the 5T's screen in every way except the refresh rate.

xocomaox said:
No problem. I think we can all agree that the Razer's screen is inferior to the 5T's screen in every way except the refresh rate.
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I couldn't agree more. Yet every time I go into a store and play with one of the new iPads, I nearly pull the trigger for that 120hz display. I think if it was at least brighter, there would be no hesitation.
No way I can view 400 nits outside in a Texas summer, though.
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General Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 3 faulty

I got my Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 3 on 20th August and less than 2 weeks later the phone is faulty and I have to sent it back. The problem is when I open the big screen as far as it goes it switches the phone off completely and I have to go to the small screen and press the power on button to swich it on. If I half open the big screen it still works.

neilfer said:
I got my Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 3 on 20th August and less than 2 weeks later the phone is faulty and I have to sent it back. The problem is when I open the big screen as far as it goes it switches the phone off completely and I have to go to the small screen and press the power on button to swich it on. If I half open the big screen it still works.
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You didn't turn the sensor off in developer options did you? This will make the big screen unresponsive and stay off when you open it

neilfer said:
I got my Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 3 on 20th August and less than 2 weeks later the phone is faulty and I have to sent it back. The problem is when I open the big screen as far as it goes it switches the phone off completely and I have to go to the small screen and press the power on button to swich it on. If I half open the big screen it still works.
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Did you try a factory data reset?

​lawtq​
I have never been in the developer options so it cant be that.
Mr. Orange 645​
A factory data reset didnt fix the problem.

neilfer said:
​lawtq​
I have never been in the developer options so it cant be that.
Mr. Orange 645​
A factory data reset didnt fix the problem.
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Damn. Sounds like a real hardware problem. Hope the new one is flawless

A mates fold was shipped without download mode - really odd fault

Meh, the fail is strong with Samsung this year.
At least hold off a bit if you want this phone; let others take the ride before you decide.
Latter production runs might also have issues fixed by then.
Issues with the S21U are also cropping up.

lawtq said:
Damn. Sounds like a real hardware problem. Hope the new one is flawless
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I won’t be getting another Fold 3. if the display fails in under 2 weeks there’s a good chance it could happen again.

neilfer said:
I won’t be getting another Fold 3. if the display fails in under 2 weeks there’s a good chance it could happen again.
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LMFAO. You act like every phone has this issue. Sounds like you just don't really want it.

bs3pro said:
LMFAO. You act like every phone has this issue. Sounds like you just don't really want it.
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That’s a strange thing to say. I did want it as I paid a lot of money for the phone and expect it to last longer than 2 weeks.

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That’s a strange thing to say. I did want it as I paid a lot of money for the phone and expect it to last longer than 2 weeks.
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I think the probability of getting two Folds in a row with defective screens is very low. You'll be fine.

bryanhayn said:
I think the probability of getting two Folds in a row with defective screens is very low. You'll be fine.
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Maybe not. Samsung's been imploding across the board this year. With their apps and multiple device hardware failures. No joke. Multiple threads on XDA of issues and phone returns.
Just had a Wearables update puke all over me last night. It has defied a solution so far and the Buds+ only work right on phone calls.
Never saw that before.
Samsung's Good Lock app homepage graphics look horrible now too with little critters jumping around.
The Fail is strong with Samsung... now.

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That’s a strange thing to say. I did want it as I paid a lot of money for the phone and expect it to last longer than 2 weeks.
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If you really want it, then do the warranty exchange and get a new one. No product line is 100% perfect. There will always be defective units. But that doesn't mean every single device will fail within two weeks. That's the most asinine thing I've heard all day.

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If you really want it, then do the warranty exchange and get a new one. No product line is 100% perfect. There will always be defective units. But that doesn't mean every single device will fail within two weeks. That's the most asinine thing I've heard all day.
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The best possible failure scenario is that a device does it within its return window.
So the OP was lucky in that respect.
I be pi$$ed too for all that trouble.
Meh... once bitten, twice shy.

If you preordered, Samsung included Care+ for 1 year for free. Not sure if this is offered outside of the US. It's really a great device kind of a game changer for me.

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Maybe not. Samsung's been imploding across the board this year. With their apps and multiple device hardware failures. No joke. Multiple threads on XDA of issues and phone returns.
Just had a Wearables update puke all over me last night. It has defied a solution so far and the Buds+ only work right on phone calls.
Never saw that before.
Samsung's Good Lock app homepage graphics look horrible now too with little critters jumping around.
The Fail is strong with Samsung... now.
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Samsung isn't imploding. Realize that they sell tens of millions of devices and a small minority of people who purchase their products are here complaining about things on XDA. There is no widespread news coverage of Samsung making faulty devices, well, not since the Note 7. Your post is an exaggeration.

neilfer said:
That’s a strange thing to say. I did want it as I paid a lot of money for the phone and expect it to last longer than 2 weeks.
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What he is trying to say is everyone phone ever released had failures in the 1st few weeks. Its not abnormal and why they have a warranty.

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Samsung isn't imploding. Realize that they sell tens of millions of devices and a small minority of people who purchase their products are here complaining about things on XDA. There is no widespread news coverage of Samsung making faulty devices, well, not since the Note 7. Your post is an exaggeration.
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Time will tell
Just order my second new 10+.
I don't share your optimism or wuv of storage deficient devices.
My first 10+ still looks, runs like it's new, fast, stable and fulfilling it's mission with 1tb of storage, soon to be expanded to 1.5tb.
I rejected the Note 20U because of poorer run time, Adroid 10, poorer color rendering and unreasonable price. Not enough bang for the buck.
So imagine what I think about every release from Samsung since then... and I'm not near as kind as you.
2021 is already a dead year for Sammy

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That's a good choice... Look for golden reviewer on YouTube and you'll see that this phone while it has Snapdragon 888 performs even worse than 855/865 phones lmao.
It throttles so hard that on games that other phones run at 90fps+ it scores 30 FPS sustained with dips below 10 FPS lmao ( pubg and genshin )
It's a shet performer, buy yourself a better device

Rstment ^m^ said:
That's a good choice... Look for golden reviewer on YouTube and you'll see that this phone while it has Snapdragon 888 performs even worse than 855/865 phones lmao.
It throttles so hard that on games that other phones run at 90fps+ it scores 30 FPS sustained with dips below 10 FPS lmao ( pubg and genshin )
It's a shet performer, buy yourself a better device
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There's literally a setting to make it run at max capability. From factory it doesn't run at max. You just flip the setting and it will run at max. They did it to preserve battery. Because realistically only games will utilize the entire power of an 888.
Phone cpus are progressing faster than use case. Oneplus just got in a debacle about this, mainly because they did it without giving you the ability to stop the throttling.

General Even MKBHD Says He’s Done With the Pixel 6 Pro

I've been a huge fan of the Pixel since the original XL. Dealing with this phone from day one has been a struggle. The voice dictation is terrible. The worst I've ever had on a pixel. Also the phone is my daily driver and sometimes I can't even work with this phone. Really holding out for an update to fix the phone so that I can love it, but I think I'm more patient than most. I feel like replying with a real world experience to every made by Google tweet, but I'm not out to jeopardize their business and I understand new tech takes a little while to achieve its full potential. But there needs to be some heads rolling at Google. There's been issues with every Google Pixel launch and this I think is the worst from my experience. I'm glad some others aren't experiencing what I'm going through. Lucky dogs
MKBHD Slams Google Pixel 6 Pro's "Bad Experience"
YouTuber MKBHD tweets that he's done with the Pixel 6 Pro and will no longer recommend it to his viewers. That's not great for Google.
www.droid-life.com

Mine hasn't been buggy but it's good his statement made headlines. Maybe Google will get off their azz and fix these problems.

MArtyChubbs said:
I've been a huge fan of the Pixel since the original XL. Dealing with this phone from day one has been a struggle. The voice dictation is terrible. The worst I've ever had on a pixel. Also the phone is my daily driver and sometimes I can't even work with this phone. Really holding out for an update to fix the phone so that I can love it, but I think I'm more patient than most. I feel like replying with a real world experience to every made by Google tweet, but I'm not out to jeopardize their business and I understand new tech takes a little while to achieve its full potential. But there needs to be some heads rolling at Google. There's been issues with every Google Pixel launch and this I think is the worst from my experience. I'm glad some others aren't experiencing what I'm going through. Lucky dogs
MKBHD Slams Google Pixel 6 Pro's "Bad Experience"
YouTuber MKBHD tweets that he's done with the Pixel 6 Pro and will no longer recommend it to his viewers. That's not great for Google.
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I'm one of those lucky dogs, I guess
Side note: I don't pay much mind to reviewers such as MKBHD...I like to judge things for myself

I'll say the same thing I said in another thread...
The Pixel 6 is a new platform on new hardware. There are going to be teething issues. Expecting perfection isn't realistic. Google has been using Snapdragon SoC's since the Nexus 4, and this is their first foray using their own hardware. When Apple introduced the A7 in the iPhone 5S, they had the same problem - a lot of stability and feature issues.
Remember that OEMs have to make compromises in order to get everything they want into a reasonable package. Bigger battery means less space for the electronics, and heat becomes a bigger problem. Bigger display and more powerful processor means more battery drain. With handheld devices, weight and size are significant issues as well.
If you want stability, there are other OEMs to choose from that are sticking to established hardware - such as Samsung, using both Qualcomm and their own Exynos systems. The Pixel series has been pretty solid up to this point, so while the 6 and 6 Pro have certainly had a lot of issues, the next generation will be improved, as will the next after that, and so on.
When you buy a Pixel, it's for vanilla Android with the Google experience. Don't expect much more than that.

why do people care what he thinks
i not had that many issues and I am on the December firmware.
battery life is main issue for me but as its a new SOC and needs time to tune it along with new A12 I expected this

Nekromantik said:
why do people care what he thinks
i not had that many issues and I am on the December firmware.
battery life is main issue for me but as its a new SOC and needs time to tune it along with new A12 I expected this
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Probably the same reason stupid challenges trend on social media?

jayr04 said:
Mine hasn't been buggy but it's good his statement made headlines. Maybe Google will get off their azz and fix these problems.
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man, i really wish my experience was like yours. i bought into Google's P6 hype for sure... i purchased the phone for dual-sim connectivity so i could use one device for my personal and biz numbers. i started with an AT&T version, returned it due to connectivity issues, and purchased an unlocked version that "seemed" to work a little better. however, inconsistent connectivity (no cellular signal, dropped calls, dropped wifi) forced me to put the phone away for now, and switch to a dual-sim S21 Ultra. i'm willing to give Google a chance to address the connectivity issues, but my confidence in their ability to do so is pretty low right now.

bouchigo said:
I'm one of those lucky dogs, I guess
Side note: I don't pay much mind to reviewers such as MKBHD...I like to judge things for myself
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Who? Twitter? I never go there, same as FB, Instagram etc.
Purveyors of disinformation and censorship, at the best.
Really this is Google's doing and not singularly the P6 Pro itself; Android 12 is a huge part of the problem. Android 11 was no gem either.
Following Apple's lead like a lost puppy was one of their biggest mistakes. Google Android degrades their market edge by doing so and ultimately fails their customers.
A large part of Google's problem is that they are also control freaks. They want to push their cloud services at all costs even if it conflicts with the customer's best interests. They learned that from MS.
Who needs another bloody iPhone knock off?

Nekromantik said:
why do people care what he thinks
i not had that many issues and I am on the December firmware.
battery life is main issue for me but as its a new SOC and needs time to tune it along with new A12 I expected this
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I don't even know who that is, nor do I really care. However, and this is a big but, if he has a following of thousands of users who buy phones for multiple family members and go on social media platforms then it becomes a problem. Not here because it seems no one is on social media round these parts, but this is the extreme minority. So call it where it belongs, the phone is buggy.. big time. I'm not talking about battery life either, I'm talking about not being able to make a phone call or receive a text. That is major. If I want stability I go with one of the big guns, Apple or Google. Pure iPhone experience and pure Android experience. There is nothing pure about this Pixel 6 series. OEMs compromising and releasing a device that is obviously flawed is not a great model for success. I don't want a Samsung or an iPhone. I want a Pixel. There is absolutely no reason I should put up with a test device when they touted this as the phone of the year. Next generation doesn't interest me right about now. I want a phone with security updates that are current and a device that always can receive a phone call and text. It is not the Pixel 6 no matter how many excuses you can come up with.
If this was a test device at least tell me that. If they are working out problems fitting stuff in then let me know. I easily could have kept my pristine P5 but I was led to believe this was a finished product and, I repeat, the phone of the year. the iPhone killer the every other phone killer. Well the P6 just got killed by their own hands and if you can't admit it then nothing I can say will change your mind.

I got a P6 Pro at launch and I haven't had any major issues or bugs. I'm on Dec update and I think I experienced the network drop thing only twice. I restarted my phone and everything was back to normal.
No other issues though..

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man, i really wish my experience was like yours. i bought into Google's P6 hype for sure... i purchased the phone for dual-sim connectivity so i could use one device for my personal and biz numbers. i started with an AT&T version, returned it due to connectivity issues, and purchased an unlocked version that "seemed" to work a little better. however, inconsistent connectivity (no cellular signal, dropped calls, dropped wifi) forced me to put the phone away for now, and switch to a dual-sim S21 Ultra. i'm willing to give Google a chance to address the connectivity issues, but my confidence in their ability to do so is pretty low right now.
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i was on s21 ultra and switch to pixel6 pro if iam kinda sad? yes definetly and iam not big fan of samsung but compare to p6 pro samsung was way better

I bought the unlocked version, and I've had no problems to speak of. My former daily driver was an iPhone 12 Pro Max. Been switching my VZ SIM back and forth to see which one I'll stick with.

blackhawk said:
Who? Twitter? I never go there, same as FB, Instagram etc.
Purveyors of disinformation and censorship, at the best.
Really this is Google's doing and not singularly the P6 Pro itself; Android 12 is a huge part of the problem. Android 11 was no gem either.
Following Apple's lead like a lost puppy was one of their biggest mistakes. Google Android degrades their market edge by doing so and ultimately fails their customers.
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Who needs another bloody iPhone knock off?
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My concern is that Google may not find a solution for the P6P reception problems and will have a Nexus 6P issue on its hands. Lawsuits caused many Nexus 6P to be replaced with Pixels so in theory it could happen again but 10 months is a long way from now.

Somebody other has problem with photo quality and strange artifacts? Here look in bright part ....pls dont be a stupid and dont say its becouse saturation or something photo is normal standard photo with no setup right from camera

I'm on Dec build in UK (not sure if that makes a difference but O2 network), I have had small teething issues but nothing like some of the major bugs that have been mentioned. Are we using different variants or something?

Guyinlaca said:
My concern is that Google may not find a solution for the P6P reception problems and will have a Nexus 6P issue on its hands. Lawsuits caused many Nexus 6P to be replaced with Pixels so in theory it could happen again but 10 months is a long way from now.
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Please no!

bobby janow said:
I don't even know who that is, nor do I really care. However, and this is a big but, if he has a following of thousands of users who buy phones for multiple family members and go on social media platforms then it becomes a problem. Not here because it seems no one is on social media round these parts, but this is the extreme minority. So call it where it belongs, the phone is buggy.. big time. I'm not talking about battery life either, I'm talking about not being able to make a phone call or receive a text. That is major. If I want stability I go with one of the big guns, Apple or Google. Pure iPhone experience and pure Android experience. There is nothing pure about this Pixel 6 series. OEMs compromising and releasing a device that is obviously flawed is not a great model for success. I don't want a Samsung or an iPhone. I want a Pixel. There is absolutely no reason I should put up with a test device when they touted this as the phone of the year. Next generation doesn't interest me right about now. I want a phone with security updates that are current and a device that always can receive a phone call and text. It is not the Pixel 6 no matter how many excuses you can come up with.
If this was a test device at least tell me that. If they are working out problems fitting stuff in then let me know. I easily could have kept my pristine P5 but I was led to believe this was a finished product and, I repeat, the phone of the year. the iPhone killer the every other phone killer. Well the P6 just got killed by their own hands and if you can't admit it then nothing I can say will change your mind.
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He's got 15.2 million subscribers on YouTube. But I agree with you. You would think Google put a little more resources behind it, especially with their big marketing push.
I have a typo and almost every single sentence when doing voice dictation. Maybe I have a stroke happening and my speech is the issue but I'm heavily dependent on it and have been relying on it for years without a problem.
It's just one of the many bugs I'm dealing with, but by no means the end of the world... I ran the A12 betas on my 4XL and it was a rather good experience. Basically all the new features I use specific to the 6pro are broken. I'm hoping that January will be our lucky month

The only issue I have is a bluetooth audio streaming. I need to reconnect it one or two times to make it work.

yeah my second Pixel 6 pro went back to google yesterday, I have had issues with both 6 pro`s I have had, so I`m back to my 9 pro for now. guess wait and see what happens with the S22 ultra or the 10 pro.