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Unbiased recommendation for buy

Hi I had a Zuk Z2 and it was a good phone, in fact, the best phone value out there but unfortunately it has gone and im using a old Xiaomi Redmi 2.
I was looking to buy a new phone and found a interested sale promotion on Mi5S (3GB/64GB) Gearbest, it is 217.00EU which i consider cheaper for this model.
In other hand, i dont like MIUI ROM, its outdated take too much Ram and have bad battery life also i didnt see a lot of life on development tabs which brings to me a question.
Take all of this in consideration, would you recommend to buy it?

I personally love the device, so, yes for me.
Coming from Galaxy Note 4 and Redmi Note 3, this phone is a huge upgrade (aside the screen that is downgrade from Note 4).
And though many (bad things) has been said about the FP, I love the FP sensor as well as it can detect even when my fingers are wet / slightly moist (I live in tropical country) unlike Redmi Note 3 which will require me to wipe my fingers dry first.
MIUI is not bad, especially if you use Xiaomi EU rom for example. The features are massive and most of them offers quality of life improvement. To each their own of course however.

With something like the Nova Launcher, I like the Mi5S, though audio quality through the 3,5" isn't the best and multitasking is limited to a handful of apps. But speed and build quality are very good. Also the battery life is quite good with the latest firmware and you have an incredible quick fastcharge function on it. Or you can wait until the FP works good on LineageOS, but I can't really tell how long that will take.
You can also consider the likes of Motorola (good software, but average battery life) and maybe something from LeEco with LineageOS installed on it. You can also find midrange Sony phones for a reasonable price nowadays, for instance the Xperia X Compact (low res screen, but good phone nonetheless). Also Honor makes good phones. The UMI Z is also worth the look with recent prices, although I don't know about battery life.
If battery life is the most important thing, than buy the Xiaomi Redmi 4 Pro. You get a solid week of usage per charge and the build quality is superb in the price class. Also, the Snapdragon 625 is more than fast enough for everything but gaming. Plus it's just over a 100 dollars when discounted.
/EDIT: The LG G5 is heavily discounted in the US at the moment: http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/06/21/deal-alert-get-unlocked-lg-g5-259-newegg/

Coming from the redmi 2 wt88047, I find that the MI5s is much better but battery life is not that much better. Everything is an improvement compared to the redmi 2 but the battery life is pretty much the same.

8166uy said:
/EDIT: The LG G5 is heavily discounted in the US at the moment: http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/06/21/deal-alert-get-unlocked-lg-g5-259-newegg/
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LG G5 have random reboots, and it can appear after your purchase. Phones on SD625 are really useless today ( if you want a phone for 2-3 years ). Sony is very expensive for their quality and software support. Mediatek phones are very hot.

My mom has a Redmi 4 Pro and it's very fast, way more than the 617 my girlfriends phone has. So I really don't see a problem with this chipset.
But I don't know about the G5 though. Is it really still the case after all the patches? Would be idiotic, but I have seen worst in the phone industry.

I'm very happy with this phone. I'm a very casual user, no modding, nothing. All that I need works very nice, running latest official global rom.

Thanks to all, I made my choice, I choose OnePlus 5 ???.
But
How I don't have enough money I bought a Mi5s (3Gb/64gb) from gear best hope I'll be very happy with this phone ?
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Hello, I don't know if this is the right subforum to ask this but I'm not around here too often so I'm a bit lost. I had a Samsung Galaxy S8 (exynos) for almost two years, financed with a carrier and with a final pay of €170 or else return it (similar to a lease?). However the battery was showing some age already so I decided to put it on the market and sold it for €220 (so I'm gonna pay the €170 but at least I got some extra money for the new phone).
I'm looking for something different now. I didn't take advantage of the powerful soc in the S8 as I barely played any games, and I value battery life a lot more now. My usage is pretty simple; mostly twitter and web browsing, and a bit of twitch/youtube/netflix. Camera is also not a priority for me although it seems like these days most mid range phones come with pretty good cameras as well. My budget is about €250, but the less, the better.
My current options are Xiaomi Mi A3, Xiaomi Mi 9 Lite and Realme 5 Pro (but of course I gladly appreciate alternatives). I have a problem and it's that while I like 'almost' stock Android (like the one in the Mi A3), I also value the features that some modifications like MIUI bring; dual apps, higher brightness, etc... So I find myself unable to decide. My doubts:
For Mi A3: according to reviews the screen is lacking, in resolution and brightness (only 350 nits, and too high in night conditions). I went to a Xiaomi Store near my place a couple of days ago and I didn't notice much difference with the resolution, but I couldn't test the brightness. Felt pretty snappy on the store.
For Mi 9 Lite: the price is a bit higher but if it's worth it I'll pay it. Seems like it has everything I like; battery life, AMOLED 1080p screen, and a decent SoC. Also 6GB of RAM... (is 4GB going to be enough in the near future? Like 2-3 years from now?). This would be my choice but if the differences are not much perhaps I can save a bit of money with any other phone.
For Realme 5 Pro: I know it belongs to Oppo (well, and many more brands), but I really don't know how the support is going to be in the future, as in Android upgrades and stability. Also it seems like ColorOS has a lot of bloatware, I don't mind a heavy mod of Android but I already had Facebook and some Microsoft apps in my S8 and I disliked it a lot. I can probably disable them but... On a positive note, seems like the 4/128 version has a good price (€199) and should have a similar performance compared to the other two, specially the Mi 9 Lite. However, no AMOLED screen...
I hope you guys can help me decide because I'm currently frozen about which one to get, although I think I can't go wrong with any of them. I'm currently using a Jiayu F1 so I'm in a bit of pain... Regards!

Question Is it worth it to move from a Oneplus 7 Pro to Poco F3?

If anyone out there was using oneplus and then moved to the Poco F3
I ask mainly because i believe this phone will have really good dev support for a long time while OP7Pro is fine but not as active as before.
I don't usually like to run the stock version of the OS.
But im so used to this really good loking screen on the OP7Pro so i wanna know your opinions.

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Judging from your post in the green tint thread, I believe you have already bought the phone. Why are you asking for other people's opinions when you already have the phone? You should test it yourself and form your own opinion.

ApexPrime said:
View attachment 5315097Judging from your post in the green tint thread, I believe you have already bought the phone. Why are you asking for other people's opinions when you already have the phone? You should test it yourself and form your own opinion.
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yea saw this coming , but i ask because i still dont use the phone much , im wating for the 7 days to unlock otherwise theres no point for me to use it without my apps and the usual enviroment im used to.
I dont see whats worng with that or why you feel the need to point that out.

Its just that people usually ask these sort of questions before buying a phone, not after it. What if a lot of previous op7 pro owners appeared on this post and told you not to switch? Will you sell the phone? Wouldnt it be a waste of time and money? These few questions made me write the above post. My apologies if you found it offensive. Have a good day.

ApexPrime said:
Its just that people usually ask these sort of questions before buying a phone, not after it. What if a lot of previous op7 pro owners appeared on this post and told you not to switch? Will you sell the phone? Wouldnt it be a waste of time and money? These few questions made me write the above post. My apologies if you found it offensive. Have a good day.
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yea nop its ok im not mad.I forgot to mention i got some time to test the phone and send it back if i want to.
So well i can get my full money back if i do that.To be honest i wouldnt have asked if it werent because of those days i need to wait to unclock the bootloader.

Seems like a waste of money.
I only replace phones if the screen is damaged. or my phone is not working anymore.

No compare no despair.
"Worth" is subjective.
If you ask this kind of question, you are feeling hesitated.
Write your expectation in "priority order". Price, performance, battery backup, developmen, customer service, warrant, social surrounding, etc.
Don't put your expectation in parallel, you can't judge what you need in parallel.
It all depend on what you want the phone for.
Since you said you can refund, then refund it. You can buy it back later.
If you say you bought it on a limited discount price and aren't willing to refund it, then move "Price" to higher priority.
If you say more dev activity is better, then move "Custom development" to higher priority, but don't put it parallel with "Price". You have to decide which is your priority.
Other's opinion is not your opinion. You can't blame them if you follow their opinion and hate the phone later. You are the one "decide" to follow. No one force you.
My opinion is : smash your OP7Pro, then you'll find your Poco F3 worthwhile.

I recently moved from a OnePlus 7 Pro to a Poco F3. Reason being my OnePlus was full of scratches and battery life had degraded. The thing I miss about the OnePlus is its premium aluminium build and the display without any interruptions like a punch hole and notch. That being said, I really enjoyed the display on the Poco....the 120 hz panel is brighter, smoother and has better colors in my eyes compared to the OnePlus. Despite the punch hole which is the smallest I have used I am enjoying watching movies a lot for on this phone thanks to the smart tv Memc chip feature (which OnePlus 8 pro and 9 pro also has). It smoothens videos (though its a personal preference) but I love it. I also like the flat display, it's easier to apply a screen protector on it compared to the curved screen of the OnePlus 7 pro. Poco F3 is more comfortable to hold being flat, slimmer and lighter with the same screen size without a case. I had the OnePlus 7 pro in mirror grey so both my black Poco F3 and OnePlus were equal fingerprint magnets without a case but like I said OnePlus did feel more premium to hold because of its aluminium. I found the upgraded ram and processor to provide a superior experience compared to my OnePlus in various tasks (which was already pretty snappy). Back camera experience: Superior for me on the Poco when there is ample daylight though OnePlus 7 pro worked better in low light. I found selfie results to be superior on the Poco compared to OnePlus. It struggles though in low light situations but I hope this can be improved with updates and Gcams in future. I didn't like MIUI 12 with the Poco launcher much though the one ui like Oxygen OS 11 was buggy too on the OnePlus 7 pro and it took many months to arrive (had zero hopes to get Oxygen OS 12 whenever it comes seeing the fate of the OnePlus 6 series.... though custom ROM support is decent on the OnePlus 7 Pro). When I unlocked the bootloader and installed the custom MIUI 12.5 ROM on Poco F3 I loved it as it also solved a lot of bugs and animations became prettier and snappier. XDA development has been really impressive on the Poco F3 in recent times so I expect many good custom ROMs in the future. Overall I have been pretty satisfied with moving to the Poco F3 from OnePlus 7 Pro. I also moved to the 256 GB version from my 128 GB One Plus so that was another upgrade for me personally. Music experience was identical on both devices. The Poco is giving decent SOT with the battery being new.
P.S. I also noticed it charges at a uniform speed right up to 100 percent. OnePlus used to slow down when it was above 70 percent I think.

I suggest you switch to a better model.

pl1992aw said:
No compare no despair.
"Worth" is subjective.
If you ask this kind of question, you are feeling hesitated.
Write your expectation in "priority order". Price, performance, battery backup, developmen, customer service, warrant, social surrounding, etc.
Don't put your expectation in parallel, you can't judge what you need in parallel.
It all depend on what you want the phone for.
Since you said you can refund, then refund it. You can buy it back later.
If you say you bought it on a limited discount price and aren't willing to refund it, then move "Price" to higher priority.
If you say more dev activity is better, then move "Custom development" to higher priority, but don't put it parallel with "Price". You have to decide which is your priority.
Other's opinion is not your opinion. You can't blame them if you follow their opinion and hate the phone later. You are the one "decide" to follow. No one force you.
My opinion is : smash your OP7Pro, then you'll find your Poco F3 worthwhile.
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The reason i havent send it back is because i too wanna try the phone with a different system other than stock which i do in all phones i get ( gotta wait until tuesday).
From the little time i have been using the phone i can say i like it and the only thing i dislike so far is the screen at night which is not uniform at all.
I even stated that my main concern is having a phone with good dev support so yea im not looking for opinions to change of mind , i just wanna know what they felt going from one phone to another, im not gonna decide just becuase someone had issues or didn't like the phone; i know my priorities , in fact another reason i wanna keep the Poco is due to having Wifi 6 support which my router does and i can telll the difference.
Also the ability to just switch on VoLTE in my country rather than having to use ADB commands like with my oneplus is really refreshing and i like it.
And so on there are many thing i like about the phone and i will decide in a few days once i try it with the bootloader unlocked.
Maybe it was amy bad to use the word "worth" since everyone has different needs on what is worth it for them.
oh and lol at the last sentence, i aint gonna smash it xd hmm i could potentially sell it almost for the same price i bought the Poco!
Roxenrocker88 said:
I recently moved from a OnePlus 7 Pro to a Poco F3. Reason being my OnePlus was full of scratches and battery life had degraded. The thing I miss about the OnePlus is its premium aluminium build and the display without any interruptions like a punch hole and notch. That being said, I really enjoyed the display on the Poco....the 120 hz panel is brighter, smoother and has better colors in my eyes compared to the OnePlus. Despite the punch hole which is the smallest I have used I am enjoying watching movies a lot for on this phone thanks to the smart tv Memc chip feature (which OnePlus 8 pro and 9 pro also has). It smoothens videos (though its a personal preference) but I love it. I also like the flat display, it's easier to apply a screen protector on it compared to the curved screen of the OnePlus 7 pro. Poco F3 is more comfortable to hold being flat, slimmer and lighter with the same screen size without a case. I had the OnePlus 7 pro in mirror grey so both my black Poco F3 and OnePlus were equal fingerprint magnets without a case but like I said OnePlus did feel more premium to hold because of its aluminium. I found the upgraded ram and processor to provide a superior experience compared to my OnePlus in various tasks (which was already pretty snappy). Back camera experience: Superior for me on the Poco when there is ample daylight though OnePlus 7 pro worked better in low light. I found selfie results to be superior on the Poco compared to OnePlus. It struggles though in low light situations but I hope this can be improved with updates and Gcams in future. I didn't like MIUI 12 with the Poco launcher much though the one ui like Oxygen OS 11 was buggy too on the OnePlus 7 pro and it took many months to arrive (had zero hopes to get Oxygen OS 12 whenever it comes seeing the fate of the OnePlus 6 series.... though custom ROM support is decent on the OnePlus 7 Pro). When I unlocked the bootloader and installed the custom MIUI 12.5 ROM on Poco F3 I loved it as it also solved a lot of bugs and animations became prettier and snappier. XDA development has been really impressive on the Poco F3 in recent times so I expect many good custom ROMs in the future. Overall I have been pretty satisfied with moving to the Poco F3 from OnePlus 7 Pro. I also moved to the 256 GB version from my 128 GB One Plus so that was another upgrade for me personally. Music experience was identical on both devices. The Poco is giving decent SOT with the battery being new.
P.S. I also noticed it charges at a uniform speed right up to 100 percent. OnePlus used to slow down when it was above 70 percent I think.
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Nice , thank you for the comparision this is what i was looking for when i asked.
Now do you think charging at same speed from 0 to 100 is good? i believe Oneplus does reduce speed for a reason i guess.

PriPhaze said:
The reason i havent send it back is because i too wanna try the phone with a different system other than stock which i do in all phones i get ( gotta wait until tuesday).
From the little time i have been using the phone i can say i like it and the only thing i dislike so far is the screen at night which is not uniform at all.
I even stated that my main concern is having a phone with good dev support so yea im not looking for opinions to change of mind , i just wanna know what they felt going from one phone to another, im not gonna decide just becuase someone had issues or didn't like the phone; i know my priorities , in fact another reason i wanna keep the Poco is due to having Wifi 6 support which my router does and i can telll the difference.
Also the ability to just switch on VoLTE in my country rather than having to use ADB commands like with my oneplus is really refreshing and i like it.
And so on there are many thing i like about the phone and i will decide in a few days once i try it with the bootloader unlocked.
Maybe it was amy bad to use the word "worth" since everyone has different needs on what is worth it for them.
oh and lol at the last sentence, i aint gonna smash it xd hmm i could potentially sell it almost for the same price i bought the Poco!
Nice , thank you for the comparision this is what i was looking for when i asked.
Now do you think charging at same speed from 0 to 100 is good? i believe Oneplus does reduce speed for a reason i guess.
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Not sure about the impact this uniform charging has on the longevity of the battery but I do find it convenient for my personal needs. From what I know this is achieved by two batteries joined together, I may be wrong as I don't grasp the science behind this.

I sold my 7T Pro and bought the F3 for less. more than happy w my decision. Screen on time was horrible on the op7 series. never turning backkkkk

Abaddon said:
I sold my 7T Pro and bought the F3 for less. more than happy w my decision. Screen on time was horrible on the op7 series. never turning backkkkk
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It is a bit dumb to ask since we all use different apps and signal coverage but..
What was your SOT with the 7T Pro and now with the F3?

I'm also thinking of moving from the OP7 non-pro to a new phone, have not made my mind yet whether it will be the Poco F3 for performance or the Redmi note 10 pro for camera. Reason to move away from OP7 is poor battery life and the 120hz display with the new phones.
Poco F3 has IMX582 camera sensor which quality wise is similar to IMX586 in the OP7 so at best case I'll get same quality photos and that is by biggest concern with the Poco.

PriPhaze said:
It is a bit dumb to ask since we all use different apps and signal coverage but..
What was your SOT with the 7T Pro and now with the F3?
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I had the 7 Pro, 7T Pro and 7T.
almost all these three had similar SoT's
for the 7 Pro and 7T Pro my Sot maxes to 4.5-5hrs
with the 7T it lasts for 6hrs
with the 8. 8T and 8 Pro I get 7-10hrs of SoT
I dont game just some emails, voip calls and some facebook and with forced doze on apps I dont need to be awake all the time. I just hate how power hungry the panels are with the 7 series

Abaddon said:
I had the 7 Pro, 7T Pro and 7T.
almost all these three had similar SoT's
for the 7 Pro and 7T Pro my Sot maxes to 4.5-5hrs
with the 7T it lasts for 6hrs
with the 8. 8T and 8 Pro I get 7-10hrs of SoT
I dont game just some emails, voip calls and some facebook and with forced doze on apps I dont need to be awake all the time. I just hate how power hungry the panels are with the 7 series
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you meant.. you had all oneplus phones from 7 pro to 8T?
And then went with the Poco F3?

PriPhaze said:
you meant.. you had all oneplus phones from 7 pro to 8T?
And then went with the Poco F3?
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Yup I had every oneplus up to oneplus 8 pro. ditched em on the 9 series for the s21 ultra and the f3

PriPhaze said:
If anyone out there was using oneplus and then moved to the Poco F3
I ask mainly because i believe this phone will have really good dev support for a long time while OP7Pro is fine but not as active as before.
I don't usually like to run the stock version of the OS.
But im so used to this really good loking screen on the OP7Pro so i wanna know your opinions.
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I have both phones.
Ill say thatthe op7pros screen is 2k , but it just isnt as bright andlets not forget the battery life on the poco f3 which is better even while running an always on display . More importantly, the There are waaaay more roms and wil be for longer on the poco f3. If you really have the cash to spare, the poco f3 is worth it and a definite upgrade

Question OnePlus 9 Pro or Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra?

Hey guys, I am going to buy a new phone and finally upgrade from my OnePlus 5t. I did a lot of research and I am between the phones of the title. It seems like the 9 Pro has muuuch more support and recognition in here so it will probably be easier to do this like custom roms, recoveris, kernels etc. But I also saw that the screen Is not top tier but more something like the 8 Pro(brightness wise) while other flagships are on another level. Also, DXOMark(not the best site, I know) testing showed that the OP 9 Pro has the worst HDR in movies. It seems almost as if it doesn't have HDR. Can you please tell me your opinions and help me decide?

MIUI sucks, too many bugs and very unstable

Orwennes said:
MIUI sucks, too many bugs and very unstable
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I don't think the original firmware is going to be "unstable" is it? And if yes, I still feel uneasy about the fact that OP 9 Pro HDR looks ****... Of course I love OxygenOS (even if OnePlus does some stupid things from time to time) but at the same time I want a full Flagship and not another "just the latest CPU" smartphone..

I think is a matter of opinion you will get a lot of love/ hate relationship from users with the op9pro. I had the mi9 for about 2 years ( I know is not mi 11 ultra) until I upgraded to 9pro. Miui was fine didn't have many problems with it until they start pushing ads in system apps and that was a no no for me. Is the op9 perfect? Not really. Is oos perfect? Again not really. If your an enthusiast and wanna mess with ROMs, kernels etc go for the 9pro, is a good phone ,decent cameras, good battery life.... for me anyway..the HDR thing don't know about it not something I'd be interested in. As for the mi11 ultra can't comment on it never used one & reviews online are hit and miss as with every phone. So if you want HDR go with mi11 if you want to customise go with the 9pro . There both good phones with similar specs just the OS & support makes the difference

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I think is a matter of opinion you will get a lot of love/ hate relationship from users with the op9pro. I had the mi9 for about 2 years ( I know is not mi 11 ultra) until I upgraded to 9pro. Miui was fine didn't have many problems with it until they start pushing ads in system apps and that was a no no for me. Is the op9 perfect? Not really. Is oos perfect? Again not really. If your an enthusiast and wanna mess with ROMs, kernels etc go for the 9pro, is a good phone ,decent cameras, good battery life.... for me anyway..the HDR thing don't know about it not something I'd be interested in. As for the mi11 ultra can't comment on it never used one & reviews online are hit and miss as with every phone. So if you want HDR go with mi11 if you want to customise go with the 9pro . There both good phones with similar specs just the OS & support makes the difference
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Thank you for the nice reply. I am thinking it a lot because I am the type who keeps a phone for a long time(or I try to) so I can't mess it up. After a lot of searching, I may also go with the OP 8t because 2 friends have it and it is pretty good. I also think that if I go to the 8t I won't miss a lot of things so yeah, I'll have to decide based on what I want to do more

The screen (1 billion colors) is one of the best in the world on OP9 pro & s21 Ultra (on release date).
11 ultra is heavyer. Much heavyer. You will feel the extra weight in youre pocket. And bigger.
11 ultra is Much expenssive.
Fast charging is Great on OnePlus. Wired and wireless. On 11 ultra real charging is not as they claim.
Oxygen is not as clean & awesome as it was. Google mess it up. But from what i know better than miui.

null0seven said:
The screen (1 billion colors) is one of the best in the world on OP9 pro & s21 Ultra (on release date).
11 ultra is heavyer. Much heavyer. You will feel the extra weight in youre pocket. And bigger.
11 ultra is Much expenssive.
Fast charging is Great on OnePlus. Wired and wireless. On 11 ultra real charging is not as they claim.
Oxygen is not as clean & awesome as it was. Google mess it up. But from what i know better than miui.
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I am a OP fan and been using OP for years, just for a change and experience, this time I went with Xiaomi.
Allow me to comment on your comment (sorry for the caps, was doing it before finding colour change):
null0seven said:
The screen (1 billion colors) is one of the best in the world on OP9 pro & s21 Ultra (on release date). ( SOMEWHAT AGREE)
11 ultra is heavyer. Much heavyer. You will feel the extra weight in youre pocket. And bigger. (TOTALLY DISAGREE, UNLES YOU TEST IT FOR ONLY 1 HOUR).
11 ultra is Much expenssive. (COMPLETELY DISAGREE, I GOT MY MI11U FOR CHEAPER THAN 9PRO, BUT MONEY WAS NOT THE CASE FOR ME).
Fast charging is Great on OnePlus. Wired and wireless. On 11 ultra real charging is not as they claim. (COMPLETELY DISAGREE, I TEST IT EVERYDAY FOR THE PAST 4 MONTHS!!!)
Oxygen is not as clean & awesome as it was. Google mess it up. But from what i know better than miui. (OXYGEN IS BEST OS EVER USED, BUT WITH LOTS AND LOTS AND LOOOOTS OF MINOR BUGS THAT NEVER GETS RESOLVED. MIUI A BIT ANNOYING UNLESS YOU REMOVE BLOATWARE WITH ADB) in addition to all that, MIUI software update is not perfect. and with the last update, i am having a really good battery management and really good smoothness. bug are minimum which really shocks me. after 3 or 4 months of use, i started to like MIUI, but still prefer Oxygen.
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MIUI sucks, too many bugs and very unstable
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after 3 months of experience with MI 11 ultra, I totally disagree with your comments, especially after 12.5 update. I find it less bugs than Oxygen, and I like what they make in it, but I still miss OXYGEN for its cleanliness, (not sure if still clean on OP9Pro as I heard it is not). and with MIUI I can easily debloat with ADB without affecting anything at all. and I still can reinstall debloats at anytime as well.
One more time, for more than 4 years on Oneplus, and before that I was on pixel and nexus, Xiaomi just for the past 3 months.

I have both and use both sometimes one sometimes the other. MIUI I think is really cool because completely different than what you would normally expect from the Android interface. Since it is a Chinese company that is geared more towards China and Europe. Your going to get a funky but really fun phone.
Make sure you get the right one if you care about bands. You can change ROMs but the bands will be different from China and Europe.
That said I just love using my 9 Pro there is a lot you can do with it.

Question OnePlus 9 PRO or Samsung S21 Plus

Trying to decide which device to get to replace my current OnePlus 5T(4 years old) which is getting a little too old for day2day usage.
After some intensive research I've ended up with 2 models: OnePlus 9 PRO 12GB|256GB and Samsung S21 Plus 8GB|256GB.
They all have their Pro's & Con's but in the end they score the same for me and I'm having a little hard time to decide between them.
Main things that I would like from a new smartphone in this price area (high-end):
Very good CPU (to be able to keep up with software in the next few years)
Storage bigger than 128 (it is OK, but I need to clean up and backup in cloud all the time)
Slim device - Do not like very thick devices ( ~8mm is ok)
Display size 6.7" - I want to try a bigger display this time (will return if I cannot get used to it and look for something more compact in that case Samsung S21 standard or Asus Zenfone 8.
Good display quality & 120Hz, preferably auto-adjustable
At least 8GB of RAM, current device has 8GB and didn't had any issues so far with memory
Connectivity to be top of 2021: Wifi 6, BT 5, 5GB, etc.
Good battery life - I would expect something similar to current device and not to have battery anxiety
Fast Charge if possible - but depends on battery (if battery is good this is not a must)
Camera/Video - moderate expectations, but to still be relevant to the price range
Good software support - for at least 3 years
Good OS without bloatware or things that cannot be removed/cleaned
Prefer unlocked, although I've always used Orange.
Could be more, but these are most important I think.
I plan to keep the device for at least 3 years.
Both are priced the same in my country, ~800 Euro.
Which one do you recommend? If possible why?

Oneplus is not the same anymore. I bought my 9 pro on sale recently, and I am extremely disappointed. Build and hardware are solid, but software is absolute crap, full of obvious bugs, that are not being fixed for a long time already. Battery life is bad, I'm getting like 6 hours SOT.
Also, Samsung has released Android 12 for S21 already.

9 Pro 100%.
Almost none Bloatware. Samsung is FUll of it.
9 Pro Anndroid 12 Open Beta 1 & 2 works Fine.
On 9 Pro you can install Global Color Os Android 12 stable. Also works very well & have more option that Oxygen OS.
On 9 Pro you can unlock botloader, you can root.
I've owned 2 Samsung, Nothing on XDA for Global-Snapdragon, but full for Korea-Exynos.
xPan mode for camera on 9 Pro is absolut Great.
I use european 9 Pro.

The 9 Pro still has a lot to offer... try it out and take it for a spin!

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and recommending a device.
Not sure that I want to manually install the Color OS 12 (Not that much of a fan).
If we are talking about software, from what I saw in the reviews One UI 4 seems a lot better and has more support from Samsung than ever.
This cannot be said for the OnePlus with their Oxygen OS 12. One of the main reasons I liked OnePlus devices was for their simplicity and their resemblance with Android Vanilla. I know I don't get this with Samsung also, but their directions seems a lot more clearer than what OnePlus is doing. Very unsure what Oppo impact will be on OnePlus in the future.
I'm more inclined for Samsung at this moment. I've even had the chance to go to a store and test an S21+ device directly. Seems really nice & I like that the overall size of the device is similar to my OnePlus 5T, although the display is bigger. From Specs OnePlus is a little bigger & thicker.

Better hold your money a little and buy Note 22 Ultra.
Oxygen Os is getting worse because google creap!
Is very simple to flash Color OS. You just do an upgrade from stable 11.2.8.8 or Open beta 1 or 2.
I've own Samsung note 10+ 5g, with SnapDragon cip.. Best looking phone ever! But slow software. Too Much Bloatware. OnePlus 8 Pro flies compared to 10+ 5g.
Samsung 20+ 5g , with SnapDragon cip. Phone was fast, but battery drain Super Mega Fast. I sold it after a week...
I Never buy a Samsuung with Exynos cip !!!
Also, some phones with SnapDragon 888 may or not have heating problem .

null0seven said:
Better hold your money a little and buy Note 22 Ultra.
Oxygen Os is getting worse because google creap!
Is very simple to flash Color OS. You just do an upgrade from stable 11.2.8.8 or Open beta 1 or 2.
I've own Samsung note 10+ 5g, with SnapDragon cip.. Best looking phone ever! But slow software. Too Much Bloatware. OnePlus 8 Pro flies compared to 10+ 5g.
Samsung 20+ 5g , with SnapDragon cip. Phone was fast, but battery drain Super Mega Fast. I sold it after a week...
I Never buy a Samsuung with Exynos cip !!!
Also, some phones with SnapDragon 888 may or not have heating problem .
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I think the S21+ with OneUi should be a lot better than what Samsung had for software in the past.
I was a little worried about the new Exynos chipset, but from the reviews & synthetic tests it seems to be much better than previous generations and almost the same as SS (not sure in daily usage would see a difference). In my local market I cannot get an S21+ with SS and have legal warranty and for a phone this expensive I do not want to risk it and end up with a device with defects.
At this price point honestly I do not want to pay solely for hardware as if this was the case I would have gotten a cheaper Android device (Realme GT for example) and flash a custom rom on it.
I think I will give S21+ a try and get it from a local vendor (having it even lower than the OP 9 Pro) where I can return it in 14 days. In those days I can clearly see if the device has any issues and maybe even try out the new OneUI 4.

I think that's a wise decision. The OnePlus 9 PRO is my first OnePlus device, and I think it will be my last. Apparently I'm too late to the game and missed the golden era.

A lot of mixed reviews. I used to own Samsung a long time ago, but HATED the fact that they had sooo much bloatware on the phone and if you'll be spending that kind of money they also made it very difficult to root and be able to do what you want on it. The perks of Oneplus is you basically get a vanilla Android OS with little to no bloatware, it's solid hardware, and they actually support modding it. Rooting it is pretty straight forward. I purchased my OP9 Pro for a really good deal ($650) and I have the Global version LE2125. I honestly have no problems with it. I'm running the stock Oxygen OS 11.2.8.8.LE15AA and I use the Omega Kernel 5.4.6.1. I don't play any games on it, but I do use it regularly for texting, internet, social media, phone calls, pictures (typical stuff) and I get over a day of use on it.

Don't forget charging !
Oneplus - 65w wired - 50w wireless. I use only wireless charging.
Samsung - hahaha...

In case anyone is interested, here's a review of oneplus 9 pro by gsmarena that i found today. Looks thorough enough. The battery life part is interesting.
OnePlus 9 Pro review
The OnePlus 9 Pro has a 6.7-inch, 3216 x 1440 resolution, 10-bit LTPO AMOLED display. The display has a variable refresh rate that maxes out at 120Hz. It...
m.gsmarena.com

Thank you for all the pro's & con's for each device.
Indeed, current software is still good, although Oxygen OS 11 is not what it used to be and it doesn't feel as smooth as Oxygen 10 does. The change in Oxygen 12 will be basically a change to ColorOS which I don't think will ever be the same for OP. And I'm afraid OnePlus will be worse with each iteration as it will get closer & closer to Oppo & ColorOS (which is not bad, but for entry/mid-range phones, I think).
Samsung does not have that much bloatware on their latest devices and OneUI 4 seems to be much smoother & with better support.
Honestly, if OP didn't had this software change and if it didn't get that bad with their software support I would have went for the OP without any hesitation.
Regarding rooting, I would prefer not to be forced to do this for high-end phones. It would be nice to be able to do it, but that is a different approach. From what I saw S21 can have it's bootloader unlocked and the process is not difficult.
I usually root my phones only after the warranty expires & if the software gets outdate (no more support or it slows down too much).

Received the S21+ today and will see how it feels the following days.
OnePlus 9 Pro increased the price and it is now above 1000 Euro. At that price it is not a good option, it should be around 800 Euro for a good value in my opinion.
If I'm not 100% happy and the price for OP gets lower again I will buy it and return Samsung device.
But will see how things go these days, I have 14 days to return it if I'm not happy with it.

Samsung -> KNOX <- Thats the killer if you want root
I would never buy a Samsung. I never bought a Samsung since they use KNOX.
I have no Problem with my OP9 Pro. So many write about "bugs" but I never had one. All my messengers (WA, Telegram, Signal and Threema) work fine. Calls over VoLTE work fine, WiFi Speed is good. System with Bluspark Kernel work very well - ~8-9h SOT.

RheinPirat said:
Samsung -> KNOX <- Thats the killer if you want root
I would never buy a Samsung. I never bought a Samsung since they use KNOX.
I have no Problem with my OP9 Pro. So many write about "bugs" but I never had one. All my messengers (WA, Telegram, Signal and Threema) work fine. Calls over VoLTE work fine, WiFi Speed is good. System with Bluspark Kernel work very well - ~8-9h SOT.
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Thank you for your thoughts on this device. I'm glad that it works good and you don't have issues with it.
Sadly, the fact that others have, only suggests there is some core issues with how the devices are assembled/configured and there is a high change it would have issues.
You get very good SOT, might I ask what apps you have and what is your usual usage of the phone(browsing, social, video, gaming)?
Did you try the new Oxygen OS 12 ? This is one of the biggest concerns I have as even OP fans have complaint about this.

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You get very good SOT, might I ask what apps you have and what is your usual usage of the phone(browsing, social, video, gaming)?
Did you try the new Oxygen OS 12 ? This is one of the biggest concerns I have as even OP fans have complaint about this.
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First, I dont play any games. I have a PC for gaming I dont use any social media BS like Facebook aka "Meta" (what a joke) or insta or twitter. I watch some YT videos and use a lot FireFox for browsing, but no heavy stuff which afford a lot of CPU power.
OOS is ATM not a option. Its still in a beta state, and I don't really need A12 - like I dont need Windows 11 in this state. The Phone is not bad or unusable with A11.

Also,
Now I have to consider the price difference: 770 Euro for Samsung S21+ vs 870 Euro for OnePlus 9 Pro, as the prices seem to have went up after Black Friday sales.

RheinPirat said:
First, I dont play any games. I have a PC for gaming I dont use any social media BS like Facebook aka "Meta" (what a joke) or insta or twitter. I watch some YT videos and use a lot FireFox for browsing, but no heavy stuff which afford a lot of CPU power.
OOS is ATM not a option. Its still in a beta state, and I don't really need A12 - like I dont need Windows 11 in this state. The Phone is not bad or unusable with A11.
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I see, thank you for your detailed answer.

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I see, thank you for your detailed answer.
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This is from my last full charge

inegru87 said:
Thank you for your thoughts on this device. I'm glad that it works good and you don't have issues with it.
Sadly, the fact that others have, only suggests there is some core issues with how the devices are assembled/configured and there is a high change it would have issues.
You get very good SOT, might I ask what apps you have and what is your usual usage of the phone(browsing, social, video, gaming)?
Did you try the new Oxygen OS 12 ? This is one of the biggest concerns I have as even OP fans have complaint about this.
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This is true sadly. I've had problems with warp charge not working and others have had different problems too. And others no problem at all.
Also OOS is really an average OS overall. Nothing to write home about. But custom roms are available (A11) which make it a decent device. Just not the flagship it was suppose to be...