Can malware be installed in a vehicle (2014 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid) via USB port from iPhone?
I ask this question because I am a rideshare driver and I have let passengers connect iphones via USB to play their music. An unsettling thought came to me regarding someone potentially installing malware from their iphone in my cars system. Can this be done? I am not asking for any probability or likeliness of this happening. I just want to know if it can be done. If malware is installed via USB, can it then gain access beyond the media controls, can it then track me and/or maliciously attack any operating aspect of my car? I am concerned that this has been done, how can I solve the problem? Can the dealership/service center scan my vehicle to see if it has malware? Can they "factory reset" the cars computer and process the most current updates? Is it expensive to do so?
I suppose the best preventive measures is to always have the cars bluetooth off. Only provide AUX to listen to music. Only provide 12V usb plugin charger. However, I only put this thought into the bluetooth aspect of it. The other day I slipped up and was cought off guard. Passenger asked me if I had an iphone cable. I assumed they were just going to charge their phone. But then they asked me if they could play their music and not giving any thought I just unplugged from 12V and plugged it into cars USB port. It wasnt till after I dropped off passenger, that I realised I compromised my security measure of not allowing anyone to connect their device to my car (aside from AUX).
I think we take these sorts of things for granted just by letting strangers we dont know connect devices to our cars. This can compromise our safety, privacy and cars mechanical function if someone wants to be malicious.
Side Note: I do not use the cars BlueLink and never have. With that being said, can BlueLink then be compromised by the malware or be accessed even though I have never used it?
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I'm thinking out loud here - I don't know if this is possible, I'm certainly not smart enough to do it, but... I was at an IT trade show last week and one of the venders handed me a branded USB car adapter. I said cool, thanks. Then I started thinking - what would it take and is it even possible - to put a tiny circuit board in the adapter with a pre-packaged exploit that loads some malware on a phone. I know, there's hundreds of phones and operating systems - but, if you have the full power of the (country) government and a specific target device, what would it take to exploit such a device by simply plugging it into an evil usb connection...
I have a motorcycle with a car stereo amplifier and I want to use a Windows 8 tablet (lenovo miix2 8) as my head unit/navigation.
◘My goal for this thread is to come up with a solution that uses the fewest amount of wires connected to the tablet.
◘I need to be able to charge the tablet and stream audio to my amp at the same time.
◘Ideas of products that might work:
1. Is having one USB cord going to the tablet, which it would send audio to like a sound card or something similar, and also charge it at the same time.
2. USB used just for charging, and use a bluetooth audio receiver for the amp.
3. I doubt there are compact products that could do this, but a wireless charge pad + a bluetooth audio reciveier to the amp(no wires at all).
(optional product, some kind of remote with a few basic buttons that would let change tracks or volume)
I honestly don't know anything about how usb ports work on tablets in general, but I think my tablet does allow for a device to be attached to it and charged at the same time, but I dont know for sure.
Any suggestions for products I may be able to make one of my three options work?
I have had awful experience with Bluetooth for this situation. I can get it to connect to one BT device after a reboot, but if I want to swap to another BT device I have to reboot again. Sometimes I can get it to reconnect to a different device without a reboot but it requires so much fiddling and just waiting for the bloody thing to stop trying to connect to a device that isn't there, that a reboot is always the fastest and most assured option.
I love the concept of Bluetooth, but its usability renders it almost useless IMHO.
usb seem best
I think usb is gonna give you better sound. Not much, but will do the job
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G'day guys,
I've done a heap of google searching in an attempt to find out whether anyone has attempted what I'm trying to achieve. Ofcourse there appears to be zero information so I'm turning to XDA in hope of being pointed in the right direction. I drive a Ford Falcon so wanting to put a double din android head unit in is essentially out of the question without irreversibly modifying anything. Which I'm not going to do.
I've installed a Parrot Asteroid Tablet into my car. The whole system works quite well, it does exactly what the box describes. I have done the obligatory root and install the Playstore to get some real usability out of it. My problem is the tablet is woefully outdated in terms of internal storage, processing power and its running Android 2.3 (it's severely limited on available apps these days). Basically once i rooted and installed the Playstore plus a couple of other small apps, it has run out of internal storage and I've discovered its quite difficult to move any apps over to the SD card.
Now to my crazy and I think difficult plan.
Basically i would like to upgrade the tablet to something far more modern, either a small tablet or phablet. Why I think this plan may work, not that i think i will be easy. The Parrot tablet communicates with a box that sits under the dashboard in my car which contains all the bits that are plugged in to get all the functionality (bluetooth mic, usb hub, aux in etc.) The tablet communicates with the box via mini USB (this is where i think my plan may have some merit).
The first thing I have tried is getting a micro USB OTG cable and a mini USB cable and plugged my Galaxy Note Edge straight in to see if i could get any communication or atleast sound output from my phone. Of course that didn't work. The only thing that happened was the screen illuminated, no sound output, no charging, no recognition of the usb stick which was plugged into the box full of music.
I'm not really sure what the next step would be making this plan work, that's where I'm hopeful you guys can help.
Any help or guidance to point me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
Best regards,
Stefan
Install a Nexus 7 2013 and go from there.
mikereidis said:
Install a Nexus 7 2013 and go from there.
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I did think about doing that, if i could get it to work with Parrots Ebox that sits under the dash. Unfortunately in Ford Australia's infinite wisdom, they thought it would be a great idea to design a car where it is extremely difficult and time consuming to do anything to the stereo (it was an absolute nightmare just to install an amplifier). Being a car that was sold only in Australia and New Zealand means there is also next to no aftermarket support for doing things like this.
Basically my one and only real option was to install the Parrot Asteroid Tablet because there is a plug and play loom for it which makes it communicate with the factory stereo. In reality I'm not really sure its feasible to install a Nexus 7 in the same way.
Hi everyone. This will partly be a documentation of what I'm doing but also a development thread. I'm sure that this won't be as straightforward as I expect it to be, that's for sure.
So anyway, the basic install will be a custom-modified dash in our 2001 PT Cruiser and the install based around a Tab S2 8.0....so far. The problem I'm likely facing is OTG whilst charging. I've not looked into this specifically for a few weeks so I'm unsure as to how problematic it will or won't be. Anyway.
The Tab will be semi-permanently installed behind the fascia (requiring it to be removed to access the device) and locked into landscape mode. A 12VDC to 5V 3A regulator with an OTG Y-cable (again, up for discussion) wakes the tablet up (an AutoMate feature to "open when charging") whilst providing simultaneous connection to a small USB hub. The hub will be connected to SD/uSD card reader slots fitted to the console, plus an auxiliary USB port or two for charging, Flash drives, etc. A USB audio DAC directs audio from the tablet via the hub to an external amplifier out to the car speakers. Simple.
I'm waiting for components to come in first of all, however I'll do my best to document the work done to the centre console including plastics welding/forming, paint and prep. The electronics side of things should be great as long as we've no big OTG/charging conflict. The other potential issue is....can the tablet run using less power than it is being charged by? It'd be a bummer if the battery slowly drained during use instead of replenishing....
I look forward to your comments, experience and input guys. This should be fun times.
Did you have any luck with this? I'm wanting to do similar with my Galaxy Tab S2 9.7.
I am running something similar but simpler.
A Lenovo Yoga Tab3 tablet running Headunit Reloaded. This turns the tablet into an Android Auto headend.
Connection between phone and tablet via WiFi.
Kept the car's BT and radio.
I use tablet audio only for GPS voice directions. Calls and music go through BT to car's amp.
I own a SEAT IBIZA car with Android Auto and Mirror-Link features.
I'm curious to know if there is a possible way to read some information Via CANBUS protocol like RPM, Speed, Oil temperature etc.
through the original USB plug and not from the OBD II.
Thanks in advance!
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I own a SEAT IBIZA car with Android Auto and Mirror-Link features.
I'm curious to know if there is a possible way to read some information Via CANBUS protocol like RPM, Speed, Oil temperature etc.
through the original USB plug and not from the OBD II.
Thanks in advance!
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Of course there is! Not everyone uses those damned rigged* Autel DS708 scantools anymore (even though they have been the gold standard for years, the UI has always been such a......tool.) VAG makes a scanner (not a code reader) that has a USB adapter for some foreign and domestic higher end vehicles.
Just do a Web search for a diagnostic auto scanner with USB adapters, or for the cars with USB diagnostic ports (sometimes they hide diag ports under the hood, too) - I threw it into a Google search and the Seat Ibiza was just the first car I came up with, followed by several scanners with matching port adapters.
Not to sound like a heifer, but finding a tech who is savvy enough to be able to tell the difference between a 16-pin OBD2 port and a USB port is a boon in and of itself. You'd do well to find a well rounded tech with a some history in electronics (wave forms are a marvelous thing when applied to the dynamics of an internal combustion engine and it's components!)
Automotive technicians are a rapidly changing group of people, with those who can't make the cut quickly fall by the wayside, so just be politely persistent about your needs, and [eventually] you may run across someone who specializes [which can be costly] or someone who has enough general knowledge to put a scanner to good use.
Just don't pay a ton of money for the "service" of plugging a scanner in and reading codes or resetting your sun roof - dealerships escalate the costs tremendously, but with intelligent scanners running anywhere from several hundred to several thousand dollars, I'd look for a smaller shop or individual. For what some of the dealers/specialists charge to plug in a scanner you could buy your own scantool!!
All that said, check with your favorite garage and inquire about the make/model of their scanner. The techs who stay up to date may charge a bit more for diagnostics, but it makes the repair a LOT less expensive when they can pinpoint the issues right away, and most are quick to offer up their services to show off that shiny new gadget that can read the cars' minds.
Depending on where you are, I may be able to offer a connect through a tech in your area. They may or may not have a scanner or a friend who does, but I don't mind asking if you'd like.
Good luck!
CC~
EDITED TO ADD: *The Autel Maxidas DS708 is, and has been planned as a terminal application, neatly coinciding with the termination date of Wince 6.x. Want more info? Drop me a line.