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I've had my phone overclocked 15% for months now...I pre-ordered and picked it up on June 4th (the day they were released to the public) and it's never been replaced. I rooted it right away using the engineering hboot method, and I immediately went to a rooted stock rom with a kernel that'd allow overclocking the very first time I saw one posted on this forum. I've never been able to run it at anything higher than 1152 mhz, but I've also never had any stability issues at 1152 mhz. I also allow it to go as low as 128 mhz all the time.
Since then I've played with various roms, and various kernels, but the first thing I've done when changing any rom or kernel, is always set the min and max CPU speeds again, and decide which governor to use. I've also always played with the undervolting strategies, from static to HAVS, and I've always been able to get away with the most agressive stuff posted without any stability issues.
Your mileage may vary, but thats been my experience with an overclocked Evo. I will admit I can barely notice the performance difference from 998 mhz to 1152 mhz, but I actually notice a battery life improvement...get it done faster so the CPU can go back to idling at a low frequency as soon as possible mentality I guess.
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@MikeOD, which governor and what governor parameters have you found to work best for you?
I think the whole overclock boils down to what you do with your phone. If nothing overly cpu intensive, then there's likely to be little gain in the amount of saved time.
I actually have mine under clocked at 921 Mhz (came that way in the rom initially). UI was fluid enough and everything still seemed to work well/responsive. I get slightly better battery life too. Noticeable in the rate the batt % declines during active tasks (web browsing).
could anyone suggest a safe clock speed for the play? i want to get a bit more power from the stock 1ghz processor but i don't really want to overdo it
Honestly, clock speeds are phone specific. For example, my phone might do just fine at 1.5, but your phone may not be able to go past 1.3, so you need to find your safe zone yourself.
Get an app that handles overclocking, SetCPU, AnTuTu CPU Master, etc. I use Rom Toolbox Pro. Move your CPU one step up, then play around for a while. If your phone doesn't bug out, go ahead and try the next one, until it won't go any higher without bugging out.
Make sure you don't lock your speeds at boot until you're sure it's safe.
I wouldn't recommend going above 1.6ghz even if your phone supports higher frequencies. It tends to get hot quite quickly at such high frequencies, and could be detrimental to the battery
thank you for the advice... ill try to see how my phone reacts to different clock speeds... and not go over 1.6
seagheart89 said:
could anyone suggest a safe clock speed for the play? i want to get a bit more power from the stock 1ghz processor but i don't really want to overdo it
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i usually use 1.6 or 1.8 i feel that you should never oc it to the max it is allowed.
Depends entirely on the 'yield' of each individual processor, most can run over 1ghz but some can't, so to be safe all processors are set to the lowest safe speed.
My XP is stable at 1.8ghz. 1.9ghz causes occasional reboots, 2.0ghz is an instant crash.
Remember your unit will only get warm if the CPU is being worked hard, if it's idle then it will stay cool even at higher clock speeds. Using a more active CPU governer such as 'smartass' or 'interactive' will keep clock speed down when not required.
Also remember you can't overclock on the stock kernel.
Same here, I accidently overclocked to 2Ghz, instant crash. But 1.6Ghz is fine, yet eats battery like it's the cookie monster on crack.
I heard there was a problem with stability issues before. Has it been fixed?
Also, do any of you guys feel the need to OC in the first place?
iArtisan said:
I heard there was a problem with stability issues before. Has it been fixed?
Also, do any of you guys feel the need to OC in the first place?
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I tried OC'ing to 1,4 for a short time, didnt get any instabilities.
Which leads me to question two. No I don't feel the need to OC this phone, it is still good enough to cope with everything i throw at it.
The worst that will happen is that it will run a little hotter than normal. I was running Trinity Kernel on RasCream ROM clocked at 1.5GHz and it was fine, nothing crashed, no reboots, all was well.
Besides; It's a Nexus, it was built for this!
This varies for everyone
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Meh. It all varies. No 2 chipsets are the same. What may work for someone else may not work for you. Trial and error is the only surefire way to find out.
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I agree with what has been said above, all the CPU's are not equal but actually the progress made by the kernel devs allows all (or almost) phones to run at 1.3* Ghz (1.34/1.35 Ghz, it depends of the kernel) without any issues.I think it's for all, actually I don't remember a user with issues at 1.3* Ghz...
And for most phones 1.5 Ghz is fine.For some others, above 1.5 Ghz is problematic but it depends also of too many factors.
Now it's not like it when the Genx came out, where 1.3 Ghz was the limit of CPU overclock for all the phones.
And many people can run stable at 1.65 Ghz, also it depends of the kernel.
For me for example my max CPU freq usable each day, so stable is 1.72 Ghz with Glados kernel, above (like 1.8 Ghz) it runs fine for 30 mins, sometimes 1 hour, but after always freeze/reboot... maybe my CPU can't reach this CPU freq or maybe my settings are wrong (voltage) ...
I agree, an extreme overclock like 1.72 Ghz is not really necessary for all day (heat, battery life, etc...) but a little overclock like 1.5/1.53 Ghz and you a difference in certain case (openning some apps, general UI, browsing, etc...).
But if we have the ability to test and play...why not... ,in any case for me it's yes, I like overclock and test the possibilities/limits of my phone, different settings...
Everyone does as he wants and it depends on what you want (battery life,a little more power in some situation like playing or a higher bench score ).
Well considering Texas instruments recommended highest clock speed for this processor is 1.5 ghz I'd say your fine. Anything above that is dependent on how well your chip set will handle it. Besides who honestly has needed to OC for anything other than benchmarks?
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I would like to flash the Elemental X Kernel over CleanROM, and I am interested in slight OC'ing. I notice with the installer it sets the boot CPU and GPU to what you set it to during the install.
If I use trickster mod can I go back to stock if I set the cpu to 1.7ghz in the install?
I figured 1.7-1.8 would be a mild OC and no more than the preferred 450 for the gpu. What does everyone else use? I game a lot on the nexus but don't want to overheat the device too much.
Br4nd3n said:
I would like to flash the Elemental X Kernel over CleanROM, and I am interested in slight OC'ing. I notice with the installer it sets the boot CPU and GPU to what you set it to during the install.
If I use trickster mod can I go back to stock if I set the cpu to 1.7ghz in the install?
I figured 1.7-1.8 would be a mild OC and no more than the preferred 450 for the gpu. What does everyone else use? I game a lot on the nexus but don't want to overheat the device too much.
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Yes, you can go back to whatever frequencies you desire and for the heat, for me, it heats up no matter what
However these temperatures are normal so nothing to worry about.
I live in the Caribbean with a Tropical Climate and i run at 1.7 ghz with 450mhz for the gpu with not much heat problems.
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Yes, you can go back to whatever frequencies you desire and for the heat, for me, it heats up no matter what
However these temperatures are normal so nothing to worry about.
I live in the Caribbean with a Tropical Climate and i run at 1.7 ghz with 450mhz for the gpu with not much heat problems.
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I set mine to these, all seems stable and noticeably better for gaming,
I use Trickster Mod to change everything, always loved the app.
CPU: 1.7ghz
GPU: 450mhz
CPU Governor: Performance (while gaming), ElementalX (Regular Use)
GPU Governor: Ondemand (always)
Undervoltage: 850
I also have D2TW (Double Tap to wake) just because it's easier for me.
I play Order & Chaos a lot, with pure stock settings I noticed slight frame issues while in heavy populated area's or if using a lot of in-game commands at once. I now notice nothing..
Which kernel is best for performance?(for Whyred)
1. Black box
2.no name
And many out there???
Suggestions please.
Thanks in advance.
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Which kernel is best for performance?(for Whyred)
1. Black box
2.no name
And many out there???
Suggestions please.
Thanks in advance.
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You should try them and find out the most suitable for you, use them for 1-2 days, you'll see the difference.... personally, I'm using NoName kernel with RR
NoName for Lineage based.
Deep.cdy said:
Which kernel is best for performance?(for Whyred)
1. Black box
2.no name
And many out there???
Suggestions please.
Thanks in advance.
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i think currently is noname.
we hope a bunch of recognised developers in the near future as franco as many others.
Kirks, for battery...
Dude unlocked the lower cpu freqs...
m666p said:
Kirks, for battery...
Dude unlocked the lower cpu freqs...
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It operates on lower Volts using this unlocked freqs?
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It operates on lower Volts using this unlocked freqs?
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God knows, but what I do know is that it should produce less heat at the very least and it performs pretty gud on powersave governor. The gpu on the other hand is garbage at min freq (160mhz), even the launcher lags....
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NoName for Lineage based.
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But after flashing no name 1.3 the WiFi doesn't work for me on rr 12th June
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But after flashing no name 1.3 the WiFi doesn't work for me on rr 12th June
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Mine was fine but now I'm on Aosip.
i think for now the best is to use a stock kernel, be careful with the charging limits.
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It operates on lower Volts using this unlocked freqs?
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m666p said:
God knows, but what I do know is that it should produce less heat at the very least and it performs pretty gud on powersave governor. The gpu on the other hand is garbage at min freq (160mhz), even the launcher lags....
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Of course it operates at lower voltage as it's a lower frequency and requires less power draw. Lower voltages should mean lower heat, however you don't magically get that lower freqs to operate, you need to tweak the interactive governor to make use of them all efficiently. So far I'm on Kirks kernel and AOSiP and it's a quite good combo.
The lag is not caused by low GPU freqs, it's because of low CPU freqs for that particular load, so governor tweaking is needed.
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Of course it operates at lower voltage as it's a lower frequency and requires less power draw. Lower voltages should mean lower heat, however you don't magically get that lower freqs to operate, you need to tweak the interactive governor to make use of them all efficiently. So far I'm on Kirks kernel and AOSiP and it's a quite good combo.
The lag is not caused by low GPU freqs, it's because of low CPU freqs for that particular load, so governor tweaking is needed.
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Lol, I tested what you said out. Because you said it with such confidence...
I changed the cpu governor to performance and set the gpu to 160mhz max...
That made the experience a bit better but it would still lag a lot in recents and app launcher scrolling...
I've attached a screen shot to prove it too...
Another thing, just because the clock is lower does not mean that the voltage is lower as well, many devices that ive owned over the years have had the same voltage's for lower clocks( moto g2, Sony xperia z1)
And lastly, you should "magically" get those lower frequencies(if they are truly unlocked) since governors will always operate within the min/max frequencies that are set by the user or by default(unless it reverts parameters back to stock, like our device does on interactive)...
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Lol, I tested what you said out. Because you said it with such confidence...
I changed the cpu governor to performance and set the gpu to 160mhz max...
That made the experience a bit better but it would still lag a lot in recents and app launcher scrolling...
I've attached a screen shot to prove it too...
Another thing, just because the clock is lower does not mean that the voltage is lower as well, many devices that ive owned over the years have had the same voltage's for lower clocks( moto g2, Sony xperia z1)
And lastly, you should "magically" get those lower frequencies(if they are truly unlocked) since governors will always operate within the min/max frequencies that are set by the user or by default(unless it reverts parameters back to stock, like our device does on interactive)...
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First of all, we are talking here about difference in voltage between stock minimum freq for big cluster, which is 1.1ghz and actual possible minimum which is 300mhz, and there is a difference in voltage, that was the point. The devices I owned, S5 and Z3compact had more CPU steps, therefore the difference between some of the steps was really small or there wasn't any, but the CPU scaling made a jump to the freq with bigger difference (higher or lower, that was the stock behavior so some freqs weren't used). Here it might use all of the freq steps as there are less of them and the difference in voltage is significant enough, which might be the case, I said that because of my experience with previous devices. But you've missed the point anyway, I have said that even if unlocked, some freqs won't be used just because they are there if the governor parameters aren't set properly (or will be barely used). That was my point, I said that as a general note, so users won't jump the gun and blame devs for whatever.
And another one, regarding your test and lag with GPU, now I'm confused why would you set your max at 160mhz? I know it was for testing purposes in this case, but you did complain about it in original post and I said it won't lag because the max would still be set to 430mhz in which case the GPU freq scaling would do the job which it does very good so far. It would lag of course if you set max GPU freq to 160, but that's not what would you do for daily usage, right? Sorry if I misunderstood something.
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First of all, we are talking here about difference in voltage between stock minimum freq for big cluster, which is 1.1ghz and actual possible minimum which is 300mhz, and there is a difference in voltage, that was the point. The devices I owned, S5 and Z3compact had more CPU steps, therefore the difference between some of the steps was really small or there wasn't any, but the CPU scaling made a jump to the freq with bigger difference (higher or lower, that was the stock behavior so some freqs weren't used). Here it might use all of the freq steps as there are less of them and the difference in voltage is significant enough, which might be the case, I said that because of my experience with previous devices. But you've missed the point anyway, I have said that even if unlocked, some freqs won't be used just because they are there if the governor parameters aren't set properly (or will be barely used). That was my point, I said that as a general note, so users won't jump the gun and blame devs for whatever.
And another one, regarding your test and lag with GPU, now I'm confused why would you set your max at 160mhz? I know it was for testing purposes in this case, but you did complain about it in original post and I said it won't lag because the max would still be set to 430mhz in which case the GPU freq scaling would do the job which it does very good so far. It would lag of course if you set max GPU freq to 160, but that's not what would you do for daily usage, right? Sorry if I misunderstood something.
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I kinda get what you mean, but the min freqs should kick in by default. They don't though on kirks, you need to change the governor to something like alucard or zzmove once before it actually starts clocking down to 300mhz...
On a side I would just disable the big. Cluster if I could, I don't really need that much cpu performance...
I was trying to find the min gpu freq that would be usable and I was disappointed, cuz my Sony z1 had a smooth ui experience with the gpu clocked at 200mhz max and that thing had a sd800...
Btw, I do all this to get better battery life...
I found out something else, I can't use power save governor any more because it can't handle audio processing(ainur, v4a) when the screen is off...
Just like my old z1, Lol...
Makes me think that the performance is really identical to the snapdragon 800...
I wonder how pissed I would be if a I got the redmi 5 plus, the 625 would have been even worse...
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I kinda get what you mean, but the min freqs should kick in by default. They don't though on kirks, you need to change the governor to something like alucard or zzmove once before it actually starts clocking down to 300mhz...
On a side I would just disable the big. Cluster if I could, I don't really need that much cpu performance...
I was trying to find the min gpu freq that would be usable and I was disappointed, cuz my Sony z1 had a smooth ui experience with the gpu clocked at 200mhz max and that thing had a sd800...
Btw, I do all this to get better battery life...
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I found out something else, I can't use power save governor any more because it can't handle audio processing(ainur, v4a) when the screen is off...
Just like my old z1, Lol...
Makes me think that the performance is really identical to the snapdragon 800...
I wonder how pissed I would be if a I got the redmi 5 plus, the 625 would have been even worse...
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Yeah I agree, it should, but how much it stays on minimum freq is dependent on couple of governor parameters (talking about interactive). On mine though it does stay on 300mhz when idling, on stock Kirks settings. Big cluster can be disabled through new hotplug solution, like Intelliplug, which I used on my old devices, and it performed great, 1 core was active when screen was off, screen on and light usage required only 2 cores, while all 4 were active under heavy load. Here however there is only Qualcomm's hotplug solution, until that changes, no luck. Regarding GPU freq, I don't think any device would work smoothly under 200mhz, you can set 266mhz here, it will be smooth, I've tested today, on my old SD801 it performed at 233mhz IIRC.
I've seen that, V4A requires higher freq than 300mhz, or even 422mhz which SD801 had, it's more about the freq rather than the chipset, as I've read on multiple threads that even the devices with SD820 were struggling a lot when processing audio at 300mhz when the screen was off. Don't worry, it's a general issue. There is also the optimization of the rom and audio mods as well, background tasks, kernel, it all goes into the mix.
This is actually a very good chipset, it's technically SD660 just with lower clocks on both CPU and GPU.
EDIT: I forgot, this is my usage on AOSiP + Kirks, stock interactive tunables, min freq 300mhz (big/little), GPU initial/min freq 160mhz, max 430mhz. Using microG instead off GApps, I have used FB, Instagram, Messenger app for 1,5h each, Viber was couple of hours, Chrome some 30mins, Panini sticker album 30+ minutes, 30 minutes of 2G calls. Network mode was LTE, though I was on wifi on whole charge.
Started measuring from 92%.
Thanks bro, that explains a lot...