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[Q] Use Xperia Play as a PC USB Controller?

Hey guys, I posted this in the general section but I think it would be better to post it here. Could the Xperia Play controls be used with PC games? Even with Xpadder or something similar? What would we need to make this happen?

As I already said, you need new kernel or kernel module to enable sharing of phone's PS controls via USB.

Why via USB and not bluetooth or Wifi?
Blagus said:
As I already said, you need new kernel or kernel module to enable sharing of phone's PS controls via USB.
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And what that does mean? xD

Miles Wolf said:
Why via USB and not bluetooth or Wifi?
And what that does mean? xD
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I think the original poster wanted to do this via USB to have it function as a standard gamepad, like a HID compliant device. This would require new kernel modules and thereby a new kernel to use on the device (and probably an app as well).
If you wanted to generate gamepad HID codes via communications over BT or WiFi (or over USB Debug channels) data streams, you could likely do so, but would need computer side drivers and programs, as well as the program to use on the device.
This is totally do-able. However the want for doing so is up to the individual. I personally don't have much want of it, as I already have good controllers for my PC.

I think it would be possible to make such app as well, which would log keypresses and send them via Bluetooth or Wi-Fi. But additional software would be needed on PC side too. But that's an option too, which isn't bad at all. Actually, USB HID method would be, IMO, more advanced...

I've used software that lets me use my phone as a touchpad, mouse, and media playback controller for my pc. So i dont' see why it couldn't be done. that software used wifi.

ace518 said:
I've used software that lets me use my phone as a touchpad, mouse, and media playback controller for my pc. So i dont' see why it couldn't be done. that software used wifi.
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There are a few reasons off the start. A game controller would require nearly instantaneous reaction time to work properly. Secondly, people would expect it to work nearly flawlessly with next to no work or reading on their part.
Yes, it is _TOTALLY_ do-able. However, doing it just to do it, I don't see the benefit, as I personally wouldn't use it, and I certainly wouldn't receive pay nor even praise from the community. So it fails all the tests for me to engage myself in a project. The "Benefits Me", "Benefits the larger community", and "Benefits my ego" issues. If it benefitted the larger community, maybe. However it seems the consensus is that most people have dedicated controllers already that are low cost. I don't intend to use my phone as a PC controller, as I have several game controllers (from a 360 pad, to flightsticks, to a nostromo speedpad) for my PC. I also don't currently have a need to learn the Bluetooth or WiFi stacks so this wouldn't benefit me. Lastly, any product I were to produce would have limited market, and most of the market it would be presented to would be more likely to bash it than to even click a button to say 'Thanks' for it as they download.
If somebody is interested in doing this, go for it! It would be a nice little experiment project to learn the coding requirements for using the BT stack as a HID device or forwarder, or the WiFi stack and how to coordinate with a client side device driver and program as well. Just personally I won't be doing this.

i remember on my old sony ericsson phone w810i i could control my mouse on my pc with my fone via bluetooth with a built in app called desktop remote
so now wouldnt it be better to have the control pad on the play, use BT
to play pc games etc?

ace518 said:
I've used software that lets me use my phone as a touchpad, mouse, and media playback controller for my pc. So i dont' see why it couldn't be done. that software used wifi.
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I believe GRemote does something similar. you can use your phone as a wifi mouse and keyboard or joystick or media controller. unfortunately, its fairly expensive so not really worth it. no way i'm paying $5.00 for it.

It would be cool to see this working.

crispyduckling said:
i remember on my old sony ericsson phone w810i i could control my mouse on my pc with my fone via bluetooth with a built in app called desktop remote
so now wouldnt it be better to have the control pad on the play, use BT
to play pc games etc?
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I remember that, haha. Unfortunately it wouldn't work very well as a gamepad, there was like a half second delay between each button press.

I doubt BT or Wi-Fi would be good, because of the mentioned delay. SE kernel sources do have USB HID driver but I don't know is it used for USB OTG or to be used as HID on PC.

Another question.
Is any App out there where i can use the Xperia Play Gamepad for another Android Devices like my HTC Flyer?
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Start an Emulator in my Flyer and use the Xperia Play Gamepad over Bluetooth or wifi to play the Games on the Flyer.
For iOS with Jailbreak i can use a SNES Emulator on ipad and a iPhone or iPod Touch as Gamepad/Controller.
Thanks for help and answer!

Waqas said:
I believe GRemote does something similar. you can use your phone as a wifi mouse and keyboard or joystick or media controller. unfortunately, its fairly expensive so not really worth it. no way i'm paying $5.00 for it.
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gPad does this and there is a free version which I haven't been able to discern much difference between it and the paid version.

German-Guy said:
Another question.
Is any App out there where i can use the Xperia Play Gamepad for another Android Devices like my HTC Flyer?
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Start an Emulator in my Flyer and use the Xperia Play Gamepad over Bluetooth or wifi to play the Games on the Flyer.
For iOS with Jailbreak i can use a SNES Emulator on ipad and a iPhone or iPod Touch as Gamepad/Controller.
Thanks for help and answer!
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yes that is what I'm wondering as well really hope it is possible.

Blagus said:
I doubt BT or Wi-Fi would be good, because of the mentioned delay. SE kernel sources do have USB HID driver but I don't know is it used for USB OTG or to be used as HID on PC.
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The PS3 and Wii controllers use Bluetooth.

benoitb85 said:
The PS3 and Wii controllers use Bluetooth.
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Way to necro a thread.
_YES_ they use WiFi, but they aren't multi-purpose processing devices that have other priorities and background processes. They also are dedicated to doing such actions, and are engineered with that in mind.
To get it to work on the Play, as a BT controller (or WiFi, which would be even laggier), would require a kernel module to be created and installed (meaning new ROM/Kernel and likely an app as well). Then you would need a machine that has the proper HID profile enabled via BT, or a separate app to mimic a HID USB controller via WiFi.
As said before, since this thing tends to have other priorities than _JUST_ its gamepad (data synch, OS/VM GC, memory mgmt, etc), there are times when it will lag out even with a high priority on the module and associated game-controller app.
This _IS_ possible, just nobody is as excited by the idea who would be willing to code it. Honestly, if you wanted to do it as a starter coding project for via WiFi, it would be interesting to see your take on it. If you want to get your hands dirty with coding a kernel module to offer a HID profile via BT, that would be an even more elegant solution. However, it would require a bit more advanced knowledge. I haven't written any kernel modules by hand, ever. I've only adapted existing ones and patched a few on my own machines, so I'm certainly not a candidate to go after this myself.
We are not saying it isn't possible. It is. Via WiFi it just isn't a good idea (lag), and via BT would require some more involved and in-depth modifications and coding. Getting coding to set it up as a USB attached controller would probably be a bit easier and possibly even easier to code than the BT HID stack inclusions. I encourage those who think this is a good idea to try coding it themselves. I'm sure others would be interested in it (based upon this thread).

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...rch_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImFwcC5wY29uIl0.
I did not try it yet.

benoitb85 said:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...rch_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImFwcC5wY29uIl0.
I did not try it yet.
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Darn it. Missed this thread before making my own. Now I feel kinda dumb. But if anybody tried this app and got it working, could you please upload the devs windows drivers/programs. Because the devs site is unavailable in my country.
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Dilemina said:
Darn it. Missed this thread before making my own. Now I feel kinda dumb. But if anybody tried this app and got it working, could you please upload the devs windows drivers/programs. Because the devs site is unavailable in my country.
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This app is amazing. But the only problems are that the X button does not work properly (you have to hold it) and the buttons can't be mapped to some keys for example SHIFT. Otherwise It helped me finish Sonic Generations

External Touchscreen Development

Hello,
Currently i'm working on a personal project to integrate my GS3 into my car display and audio. Well this was easy with the help of a MHL or Allshare Cast Dongle.
My next goal was to install a 4 wire resistive touchscreen on my car display and use it as an external touchscreen control. I bought a 7" 4 wire resistive touchscreen with a USB module build around the CYPRESS CY7C63723C chip. I hooked up the touchscreen with OTG to test if there any initial reactions from my GS3, needless to say there wasn't any (no surprise there).
After a little digging around I came up with the conclusion that I need to create a custom "Input Device Configuration Files" for my touchscreen based on the following links
http://source.android.com/tech/input/touch-devices.html
http://source.android.com/tech/input/input-device-configuration-files.html
My initial question before I start plugging away with some codes is how would I name the files, the documents states "Input device configuration files are located by USB vendor, product (and optionally version) id or by input device name." How would I find the product ID or the input device name for the touchscreen? I'm sure this can be done thru terminal or something but I am new to android development so cut me a little slack here
Also if you know of any Input device configuration files dealing with touchscreen please post it.

Anyone?

hechen said:
Anyone?
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You would probably be better served asking this on one of the more general hacking sub forums. Here, you're just going to get people who are familiar with the S3. There, you may find someone who has done something similar on another phone.

hechen said:
Anyone?
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Any resolution with this?
I have been pondering the idea as well, but have no coding or hacking experience to go off of.
Would love to hear about the progress for this project and maybe a writeup of parts and procedures so far.

Bluetooth Mouse functionality questions

For those of you with the 2014 edition who have used a bluetooth mouse, what does the right click do?
Hey all,
I posted the following question on another thread about a specific bluetooth mouse, and didn't get a response so I figured I'd give it another try with a general post.
I use my samsung devices (Galaxy S1, Tab 10 v1, Note 10 2012 edition, and lately an S4) for connecting to work using the citrix thin client. (In addition to all the other things that make the samsung devices great)
One of the problems I've had since samsung moved to jellybean and beyond is the mouse support. Ice cream and prior, when using a bt mouse, the right click seemed to be ignored by the os, or didn't do anything different than the left click unless you were in a app that supported it. Specifically, passing on a right click command in remote desktop to the session.
After JB, the right click on a mouse seems to have been mapped at the OS level to the 'back' function. This makes using a samsung android device as my thin terminal very difficult, as you still need right click on a lot of standard desktop apps. When I'm connected to my remote desktop, and use the right-click the applications prompts to exit. I don't think the right click ever even gets passed along.
(If you want to know irony, pre JB the mouse worked fine, but CTRL and ALT keypresses were ignored by the Os. try going without easy cut and paste for a day when you work with spreadsheets a lot. )
Anyway, my question is, for those of you with the 2014 edition who have used a bluetooth mouse, what does the right click do?
I'm sending in my 2012 edition to amazon for a trade in, and I'm seriously thinking about getting the 2014 10 or the new 12.2 monster, but if the 12.2 is going to be $1k, I might as well go with a surface pro device for now.
If you're still reading, thanks, I know I've gone on a bit. I've struggled with this issue for a while and it makes it very difficult for me to travel lightly. I can use my android devices in a pinch, but man does it drive me nuts when I need to right click on something and can't Try it sometime. You'll throw your mouse across the godderned room. If you happen to know of any other workarounds for this issue, feel free to make my day.

Right click brings me back, it is annoying when I'm browsing the Web and I want to open a link in a new tab.
I do use "jump" for rdp and it does pass the right click through the session. I have "pocket cloud" as well if you would like me to check that as well.
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pozer69 said:
Right click brings me back, it is annoying when I'm browsing the Web and I want to open a link in a new tab.
I do use "jump" for rdp and it does pass the right click through the session. I have "pocket cloud" as well if you would like me to check that as well.
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Thank you, unfortunately I don't have a choice for my remote desktop client as it's a corporate thing. So it appears that the jump client you are using is blocking that default function and forcing the right click.. interesting. I would be interested to know if pocket cloud does the same, but only anecdotally.
I hate the 'back' functionality of google's mouse support. I cannot find any way to adjust it. Heck, turning it off would be an improvement.

USB Accelerometer on Joying radio

Hi,
Sorry, I had already posted this on another section but I think this one is more appropriate and can't delete other post.
I have a Joying JY-NL124 android car radio, which does not have an accelerometer. I bought the Yocto 3d V2 http://www.yoctopuce.com/EN/products/usb-position-sensors/yocto-3d-v2 to see if I could get it to work with torque and other android apps for the track but although android sees the device the apps do not. I am not a programmer, but is there a way to get the apps to recognize an external accelerometer like some do for an external GPS?

Very interesting. I would like to know as well. It might also be usefull in navigation to get a faster direction orientation.

I was reading up on this again and this bit means someone with the know how would probably need to code something
The main advantage of this solution is that you don't need to install a driver to communicate with a Yoctopuce module, as the HID layer is always present. You only need to add our library, that we provide in source form, to your driving software for it to be able to directly talk to Yoctopuce modules.
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Have you tried contacting them directly and asking if they can do this for you?

sinnedone said:
I was reading up on this again and this bit means someone with the know how would probably need to code something
Have you tried contacting them directly and asking if they can do this for you?
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Uff, sorry for the late reply. Life has a way of getting in the way of interesting projects. I'm about to restart this project since I'm using the car a lot on the track. It's weird that the units don't come witha compass, gyroscope, accelerometer, etc, considering they are meant to be used in moving vehicles.

Definitely post up if you figure it out.
It would be nice to get it to work with Android as a whole. If that's the case you might need to talk to one of the ROM developers to see if it's something they can do ROM wise or even a custom kernel.(the kernel bit might be a little harder)

Did anybody get this right. It would be cool if these usb accelerometer could work in the apps

flash_xx said:
Hi,
Sorry, I had already posted this on another section but I think this one is more appropriate and can't delete other post.
I have a Joying JY-NL124 android car radio, which does not have an accelerometer. I bought the Yocto 3d V2 http://www.yoctopuce.com/EN/products/usb-position-sensors/yocto-3d-v2 to see if I could get it to work with torque and other android apps for the track but although android sees the device the apps do not. I am not a programmer, but is there a way to get the apps to recognize an external accelerometer like some do for an external GPS?
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I'm very interested to understand whether this is possible as I am thinking about a similar setup. You tried the three Bluetooth tips in the roll up thread?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...roll-joying-2gb-sofia-mtcb-mtcd-tips-t3555249
"Bluetooth Tethering & BT Settings", "Difficult to pair BT devices" and "Modified stock bluetooth app to allow connection to all devices"
Have you tried external GPS for higher refresh rates or is the Head Unit gps refresh good enough for the track?
Bob

MX5DrIver said:
I'm very interested to understand whether this is possible as I am thinking about a similar setup. You tried the three Bluetooth tips in the roll up thread?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...roll-joying-2gb-sofia-mtcb-mtcd-tips-t3555249
"Bluetooth Tethering & BT Settings", "Difficult to pair BT devices" and "Modified stock bluetooth app to allow connection to all devices"
Have you tried external GPS for higher refresh rates or is the Head Unit gps refresh good enough for the track?
Bob
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Sorry....USB not Bluetooth... Also discouraging. I was hoping USB would be an alternative to BT for track add-ons...

I too have an Android head unit and do track days, and have the exact same interest as you. I use Harry's Lap Timer. I have the Pumpkin AE0273B head unit. It too lacks the compass and accelerometer. I too found this to be a very unfortunate omission.
I have developed apps actually so I do know Android program to some degree (although I am sortof a hack, not a pro). I have apps on the Play Store (since I can't post links just search Play Store for developer JimRoal). I saw the Yocto stuff. When I get some time I will look into this some more.

Any update on this? Would also like to add a compass / accelerometer to my joying.

Also interested. But on a newer 10.0 unit. Something I am going to look into.

nFiniti said:
Also interested. But on a newer 10.0 unit. Something I am going to look into.
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Sad that over 4 years after I first posted this we still don't have a unit with these features. I finally gave up and bought an AIM Solo 2 DL.
I'm looking for a newer radio though, since mine is older than this thread

Still waiting as well.

Looking forward for solution, we have also WIMOTION sensors in the market with sample android apk but I'm not a developser so, put things together is hard for me !

I think the hard job is try to mock the sensors in Android AS IF external accelerometer was factory embeeded (allowing apps to recognize it)

Nothing new about this project / idea ???

?? dead ???

mariodantas said:
?? dead ???
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Once you've figured out how to modify the kernel, you should be good to go!
Another option could be sensor to serial over USB, via a compatible adapter, write an app and there you go. Of course it won't be standard Android though.

Drivers are here
https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v4.14.133/source/drivers/iio/imu/st_lsm6dsx
The problem is adding them to kernel !

You dont need to add them to the kernel. You will need to implement an Android HAL that can read the values of these sensors. Its not a trivial task but also not very hard if you have access to the source code

Question Tablet as phone's second screen

Hi all,
I have a Galaxy TAB 10.1 2014 and a Oneplus 9 PRO in my hands and I would like to use the TAB as OP9PRO's second screen.
As I'm going to use the phone to play games, I really don't want to use any WI-Fi app to connect TAB and phone as they all have a terrible lag.
What I would like to do is to connect the TAB and phone by USB cable only.
Do you know a mirroring app that allow me to do that ? ( already tried Screen Mirroring, AirDroid, Apowermirror and tey all doesn't work via USB....)
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Thanks to all

I suggest you find out if both your devices can be connected with a special OTG cable.
If it is possible, you will run adb on the tablet with termux and then get the image from the phone on the tablet, just as easily as on the PC.

Hi and many thanks for your reply! It sounds good.
Non I'm going to looking for such a cable. OP9PRO side should not be a problem but I donato know about TAB as this is an old device with a micro USB only....Anyway let's see.....
In the meantime, can you kindly give me some tips about Termux as I already have hard about that but I have never used it. Only used ADB commando via PC.
I mean, which commands should I use in order to mirror the phone ?
Mano thanks again !

Jack Droid said:
Hi and many thanks for your reply! It sounds good.
Non I'm going to looking for such a cable. OP9PRO side should not be a problem but I donato know about TAB as this is an old device with a micro USB only....Anyway let's see.....
In the meantime, can you kindly give me some tips about Termux as I already have hard about that but I have never used it. Only used ADB commando via PC.
I mean, which commands should I use in order to mirror the phone ?
Mano thanks again !
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USB C to micro USB adapter...

Maybe something like that ?
https://www.amazon.it/PAXO-Scomparto-59/dp/B08LNK3L7Q/ref=sr_1_5?crid=2S7IPYIC3UAHU&keywords=cavo%2Botg%2Btype%2Bc%2Bmicro%2Busb&qid=1681836987&sprefix=cavo%2Botg%2BUSB%2BC%2BMICRO%2Caps%2C109&sr=8-5&th=1

Better in english :
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B08KGPVKF8

If that cable it's ok, as there is a micro USB the max transfer rate is 480 Mbit/s so the max possible resolution will be 1080p 30 fps ( or 60 fps ) ? Correct ?

Jack Droid said:
Better in english :
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B08KGPVKF8
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OTG cables are thick and rigid, so it should not be shorter than 50 cm.
You did not give the exact name of the model.
Phone Finder results - GSMArena.com
www.gsmarena.com

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ze7zez said:
OTG cables are thick and rigid, so it should not be shorter than 50 cm.
You did not give the exact name of the model.
Phone Finder results - GSMArena.com
www.gsmarena.com
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That cable can be 0.5 / 1 / 2 meters as well and it is AWG24 ( so large section ) but is the right cable in term of tech data ? ( that cable is only an example as there are many others on Amazon )
The exact name of the model are Samsung Galaxy TAB 10.10 2014 Edition ( SM-P605 ) and ONEPLUS 9 PRO

I have no idea about the cable until I check it.
I'm using USB3 cables from Microsoft Display Dock HD-500, one is USB-C/USB-A and the other is USB-C/USB-C.
Depending on the device I use, I attach the appropriate adapters to them to match the device slot.

ze7zez said:
I have no idea about the cable until I check it.
I'm using USB3 cables from Microsoft Display Dock HD-500, one is USB-C/USB-A and the other is USB-C/USB-C.
Depending on the device I use, I attach the appropriate adapters to them to match the device slot.
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Yes, I see. Anyway, the cable is not a big matter. I'll find it.
The main matter is which command should I use into Termux and/or ADB in order to send the image from phone to tablet....
Do you know them ? Or do you know where I could read something about that ?
I'm surfing on Internet but I did not find anything yet....

E.g. scrcpy

Many thanks.
I found this one : https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy
It say : This application mirrors Android devices (video and audio) connected via USB or over TCP/IP, and allows to control the device with the keyboard and the mouse of the computer. It does not require any root access. It works on Linux, Windows and macOS
If I have well understood, it seems it works among Android device and PC ( I don't know if it works Android among Android ).....
Anyway, I'll follow this way as it seems very interesting.....

rom1v ( the dev behind scrcpy app ) confirmed that this app only mirror Android device on PC ( Linux, Windows, MacOS ) so it is not solve the matter......
Anyway, thanks for the tip. This could be useful for the future !

itsclevelandbrown said:
try duel, very good
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If youa re referring to Duet, it works between Android to PC / Mac only but not between Android to Android.....
Thanks anyway for your reply......

Jack Droid said:
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If I have well understood, it seems it works among Android device and PC ( I don't know if it works Android among Android ).....
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You wrote that you need an android image in another android, so you need to try the appropriate application on android, not on PC.
scrcpy - Apps on Google Play
This application is android version of Scrcpy
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ze7zez said:
You wrote that you need an android image in another android, so you need to try the appropriate application on android, not on PC.
scrcpy - Apps on Google Play
This application is android version of Scrcpy
play.google.com
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Hi ze7zez,
I had not seen before......
I just found this one https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy and I thought it was the only version available....
Infact, Android version linked from you is not released by rom1v but from pkk3345678....
Very interesting......
Many thanks for your super tip !!!
I'm gonna try it and I'll give you a feedback.
Thanks again !