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Question is the same as the title, are there other users on XDA who have considered upgrading or buying the Snapdragon Dual Sim Note 10+ over the N975F?. I am aware of the general uniqueness of the Hong Kong/Latin American/Brazilian Snapdragon devices as they have unlocked bootloaders compared to their US and Canadian counterparts. I've been doing research on these phones ever since I knew of the existence of the HK Note 8.
Development wise these N9xx0 devices don't see much development due to the rarity/relative uniqueness of these versions, but I was curious if anyone was checking for this to use instead of the Exynos Note 10+ in the US, Canada, UK, Australia and the rest of the world. I'm particularly interested in hearing from people on AT&T, T-Mobile and their respective MVNOs as I am considering getting this one to use on MetroPCS. In terms of bands I wonder if it will work out of the box similar to a user who had his Hong Kong S10+ work on T-Mobile with Wi-Fi calling/VoLTE even with the TGY CSC.
If they have an oem Bootloader Unlock like the S10's did I will definitely be getting that model over the F. There is still a shocking distance between the two chips in benchmarks, the snapdragon versions performing 20% better than the exynos versions. I will hold out for some extended use testing to come out, but it seems unlikely to change the data much. I need as much performance as I can get from my chip, and I don't really need custom roms to achieve a smooth workflow or customized experience.
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BTW I don't worry much about bands with any of the new flagships coming out. You can verify on frequency checker, but most phones these days come with the same modems in all models. My last phone was a Chinese model Mate 20 X and it had no problem with international roaming on Google fi and got 4g on any chip I threw at it.
Idont know where you plan to use your device, but in many forums of other samsung devices, people getting devices from other countries, have sometimes problems regarding bands, carrier services, software updates, and most important no way to claim warranty
Mainland China = SG chip / 5G / 256gb / dual sim / limited bands
Hong Kong = SG chip / LTE only / 512gb / dual sim / limited bands
US unlocked = SG chip / LTE only / 512gb / single sim / full bands
In my case, I want dual sim but HK version doesn’t have LTE 66 and 71 which T-Mobile uses. So I am still debating.
NoteSeriesEnthusiast27 said:
Question is the same as the title, are there other users on XDA who have considered upgrading or buying the Snapdragon Dual Sim Note 10+ over the N975F?. I am aware of the general uniqueness of the Hong Kong/Latin American/Brazilian Snapdragon devices as they have unlocked bootloaders compared to their US and Canadian counterparts. I've been doing research on these phones ever since I knew of the existence of the HK Note 8.
Development wise these N9xx0 devices don't see much development due to the rarity/relative uniqueness of these versions, but I was curious if anyone was checking for this to use instead of the Exynos Note 10+ in the US, Canada, UK, Australia and the rest of the world. I'm particularly interested in hearing from people on AT&T, T-Mobile and their respective MVNOs as I am considering getting this one to use on MetroPCS. In terms of bands I wonder if it will work out of the box similar to a user who had his Hong Kong S10+ work on T-Mobile with Wi-Fi calling/VoLTE even with the TGY CSC.
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I'm using N975F and it has dual sim
I live in Greece. Based on all I've read, the exynos S20 isn't as good as the snapdragon version for battery (my #1 issue), general performance, and graphics. I can get a pretty decent price on the HK one. It supports all the bands Vodafone-Greece uses, and it comes with 12gb ram (instead of 8gb) and some 5G ability. 5G won't exist here for a while, so that's unimportant to me. Normally, the no-brainer answer is to buy the HK S20, but I am already aware that Samsung Greece will not honor the warranty because it's from a non-EU region (thought I think there is a recent EU law that says they must). So, a couple of questions before I make a purchase:
- What won't work in Europe, like VOLTE?
- Will I get the normal OTA updates (Android 11 and security patches) or will I have to download and install the firmwares updates myself
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I live in Greece. Based on all I've read, the exynos S20 isn't as good as the snapdragon version for battery (my #1 issue), general performance, and graphics. I can get a pretty decent price on the HK one. It supports all the bands Vodafone-Greece uses, and it comes with 12gb ram (instead of 8gb) and some 5G ability. 5G won't exist here for a while, so that's unimportant to me. Normally, the no-brainer answer is to buy the HK S20, but I am already aware that Samsung Greece will not honor the warranty because it's from a non-EU region (thought I think there is a recent EU law that says they must). So, a couple of questions before I make a purchase:
- What won't work in Europe, like VOLTE?
- Will I get the normal OTA updates (Android 11 and security patches) or will I have to download and install the firmwares updates myself
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Whether or not you'll get VoLTE, WiFi Calling depends on the carrier. In some cases CSR's for Carrier Branded devices will say none of their features will work as they want potential customer's to purchase their device but that's not always the case. You won't know for certain until you test your device on their network. If the service provider's features are a priority then your best option is aquire their smartphone, you'll know they'll work. If you buy their Exynos device and it overheats or has fast battery drain you can return it under warranty for replacement or a refund. As much as we read about Exynos pitfalls there are many users who are pleased with the performance and have no issues. A lot of concerns come from users who put heavy workloads on their processers like gaming so it depends on your individual usage. I decided on the HK variant because most carrier features I can live without and I enjoy gaming. VoLTE and WiFi Calling features work on my T-Mobile's network, I also have access to Samsung Pay. Be aware you can't flash your service provider's firmware on a Snapdragon variant. You likely won't have some Carrier Aggeration like fast download speeds. You will get OTA Updates since they're distributed by Samsung, not your service provider.
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. Here in Greece, Vodafone doesn't currently support VOLTE or WiFi calling. I haven't used Samsung Pay up till now, but my bank doesn't support it, only Apple Pay & Google Pay, so not a big inconvenience. As to carrier aggregation, do you know why that wouldn't be fully supported and does your remark apply to 4G or just 5G? Does it have to do with the particular chipset & modem?
After all updates on Exynos, it performs great. No heating uo and battery life improved a lot.
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After all updates on Exynos, it performs great. No heating uo and battery life improved a lot.
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Same experience here (s20+ exynos variant) i wouldnt risk buying from grey market as you may get unit with poor oled uniformity and then be stuck with it
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After all updates on Exynos, it performs great. No heating uo and battery life improved a lot.
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That's good to know.
I am considering purchasing the OnePlus 9 or 9 Pro. As a longtime T-Mobile customer I want to know if the International version of the phone is 100% compatible with T-Mobile. I have read on some web sites that there are frequency bands missing on the International version that are supported on the T-Mobile version. I would prefer to buy the International version because updates would come sooner. Does anyone have any information on this? Thanks!
Yes, my last 2 Global OnePlus's works great with tmobile usa including 5g...
I used 3T, 5, 6T, 7Pro and 8Pro international version with TMO sim and no issues. All works great (in my area) including 5G. (not sure about the SA band on OnePlus though, only recently updated my sim card and 5G SA works on my international S21 Ultra).
You'll have to make sure you get a model with the right bands when it comes out.
I always buy from the manufacture. The mobile cell providers always have to add their crummy annoying software tweaks.
I do not case which one as long as custom recovery and custom rom are available
I'm also a long time T-Mobile customer, and I will always buy from the manufacturer going forward. T-Mobile puts too much crapware on the phones. I also like to root and mod my device, and it's a real pain to do that on a T-Mobile device.
Been on TMo for ages. Still will alway sbuy the unlocked international version.
So, I have been watching the 9 Pro as my next phone (upgrading from HTC U12+), but am really disappointed in a couple of things: (1) it appears there is no plan to certify the US version for AT&T 5G, and (2) no Astral Black for the US.
Since the 5G aspect is unlikely to change anytime soon, and AT&T 5G isn't really all that great anyway from what I hear, is there any downside to buying an EU Astral Black model and using it in the US? I'm still researching all the bands, but it appears the EU model is only missing two LTE bands in use by AT&T (Bands 29 and 30). To be fair, the US version is also missing Band 29 for the 700MHz spectrum, but does contain support for Band 30 at 2300MHz.
I'm going to log which bands are being used where I live and work but, if I will be limited to 4G/LTE anyway, I'm not seeing a downside to buying the EU version. Am I overlooking something? Any thoughts, suggestions, or input is greatly appreciated.
EU has additional options that neither the TMO or US int models have. At&t is behind on 5g deployments anyway so you shouldn't miss out on much, Verizon and TMO would've been better for that. As far as general reqs go, I don't see why not.
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So, I have been watching the 9 Pro as my next phone (upgrading from HTC U12+), but am really disappointed in a couple of things: (1) it appears there is no plan to certify the US version for AT&T 5G, and (2) no Astral Black for the US.
Since the 5G aspect is unlikely to change anytime soon, and AT&T 5G isn't really all that great anyway from what I hear, is there any downside to buying an EU Astral Black model and using it in the US? I'm still researching all the bands, but it appears the EU model is only missing two LTE bands in use by AT&T (Bands 29 and 30). To be fair, the US version is also missing Band 29 for the 700MHz spectrum, but does contain support for Band 30 at 2300MHz.
I'm going to log which bands are being used where I live and work but, if I will be limited to 4G/LTE anyway, I'm not seeing a downside to buying the EU version. Am I overlooking something? Any thoughts, suggestions, or input is greatly appreciated.
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As far as I know, no models work with att 5g.
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As far as I know, no models work with att 5g.
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I believe that is true - I just want to make sure I'm not inadvertently limiting myself with 4G/LTE coverage by buying the EU version. I don't really care around home/work, as there is usually wifi available. My bigger concern would be coverage in my home area that might get dropped now due to the EU version missing a band that is available on the US version. Or, perhaps when traveling if the EU version is missing bands that other networks (roaming) may use.
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I believe that is true - I just want to make sure I'm not inadvertently limiting myself with 4G/LTE coverage by buying the EU version. I don't really care around home/work, as there is usually wifi available. My bigger concern would be coverage in my home area that might get dropped now due to the EU version missing a band that is available on the US version. Or, perhaps when traveling if the EU version is missing bands that other networks (roaming) may use.
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I have dual sims, straight talk att sim and t mobile sim. Att sim works fine no drop but no 5g, simple mobile -TMobile 5g,4g, I have the Chinese varient with eu firmware
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As far as I know, no models work with att 5g.
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You are correct. I call ATT about once a week asking if they're going to certify/whitelist OnePlus devices. I figure the more complaints they get, the more they'll be inclined to investigate it.
To add to this, most people I speak to have never even heard of OnePlus, which makes the conversation troublesome. Be completely prepared for ATT employees to feed you bad information, say your device isn't compatible (does not have the required hardware), is inferior to Samsung/Motorola/iPhone, and try to sell you a new phone or sent you a new SIM card.
I've posted before about calling ATT. I feel everyone who has their service should call on a regular basis. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.
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You are correct. I call ATT about once a week asking if they're going to certify/whitelist OnePlus devices. I figure the more complaints they get, the more they'll be inclined to investigate it.
To add to this, most people I speak to have never even heard of OnePlus, which makes the conversation troublesome. Be completely prepared for ATT employees to feed you bad information, say your device isn't compatible (does not have the required hardware), is inferior to Samsung/Motorola/iPhone, and try to sell you a new phone or sent you a new SIM card.
I've posted before about calling ATT. I feel everyone who has their service should call on a regular basis. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.
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And the strange part is they have the 9 and 9 Pro listed on their list of devices that will still work on their network (VoLTE) after they shutdown their 3G service next year. Gives me hope they will certify at some point.
I run this phone on AT&T, and while I don't get 5G speeds, I get very fast LTE+ speeds of around 200mbps.
Thanks all for the input. After some more thought, I believe I have decided on the pine green US version. It's going to be in a case anyway, and I've had very few cases that aren't black. So, if it will be black anyway due to the case, I might as well get the US version. Plus, I think the black case and green camera bump will look sharp.
Reviving an old thread, rather starting anew:
I want to get the 9 pro for T-mobile use in US. I need dual sims and want custom roms...
I saw that "toolhas4degrees" said they had a Chinese model with EU firmware. I don't know if he changed the firmware himself or what... A bit out of my capabilities.
Simply put: What would I need to do (if anything) to get the EU (LE2123) OnePlus 9 Pro to work with T-mobile?
Thanks!
Fyi, latest rumors...
The OnePlus 11 might get a downgrade in the US
The OnePlus 11 will reportedly offer slightly slower wired charging speeds in the US versus global models, mirroring the OnePlus 10 Pro.
www.androidauthority.com
It is a Downgrade! Unfortunately..
No wireless charging !
Usb 2.0 in 2023..
Chinese version is 699 $ Usa, on Giztop. If i can buy from Giztop with the same price, yes, european/global version, i will buy.
US version only up to 256gb storage & 80W charging. Ixnay.
I'll only buy International variant- hopefully I can still use it on T-Mobile w\o losing triple 5G carrier aggregation.
I'll prolly trade in 10T(which I never used because 8T working fine & 11 specs were leaked soon after), but keeping its 150W charger.
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US version only up to 256gb storage & 80W charging. Ixnay.
I'll only buy International variant- hopefully I can still use it on T-Mobile w\o losing triple 5G carrier aggregation.
I'll prolly trade in 10T(which I never used because 8T working fine & 11 specs were leaked soon after), but keeping its 150W charger.
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Where did you see the US version will only be 256GB?
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Where did you see the US version will only be 256GB?
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Sorry I missed this. Amazon is co-participating in the Feb 7 Live Launch event, and their listing specs are 80W charging, 256\16gb. Two colors- jade green & moonstone black.
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Sorry I missed this. Amazon is co-participating in the Feb 7 Live Launch event, and their listing specs are 80W charging, 256\16gb. Two colors- jade green & moonstone black.
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Ah ok. I'll order directly from OnePlus. I can deal with slightly slower charging and I usually transfer files via WiFi, so USB 2.0 isn't an issue. I'm nearly full on my 8T, and it would be a deal breaker to move to another phone with only 256GB.
I don't know if it's because my 8T is a couple years old, but despite the charger being 65W, it averages 45W when charging.
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Ah ok. I'll order directly from OnePlus. I can deal with slightly slower charging and I usually transfer files via WiFi, so USB 2.0 isn't an issue. I'm nearly full on my 8T, and it would be a deal breaker to move to another phone with only 256GB.
I don't know if it's because my 8T is a couple years old, but despite the charger being 65W, it averages 45W when charging.
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I just visited OP Store US website and they are offering reservations for up to $500 off on trade-in Launch Day, price will be revealed then.
BUT....only offering 8\128 or 16\256gb models- w\ 100W charger- which BTW they also call Super VOOC. So I have hopes 10T's 150W charger will work appropriately faster on 11- it charges 8T a little faster than its own original charger.
Hopefully they add the 512gb model. 256 model still tempting because of tons of advancements + not planning 11 Pro \ the Alert Slider is back \ display back from 9 Pro is also very tempting: QHD 120hz AMOLED LPTO 3 adaptive refresh down to 1hz...that combined with the new Snapdragon & UFS 4 & LPPDR 5 they say uses up 30% less battery + runs cooler. And will support Triple\Quadruple 5G Aggregation.
I never update phone yearly but there're just too many advancements back to back- w\o Samsung \ iPhone pricing.
Re 8T charging- I only got it 9 months ago but use heavily- charge 2-3X daily- going strictly by charging time, I notice no dropoff. I have a theory that none of the charging apps appropriately measure such high capacities. The numbers shown during charging comparing 8T & 10T- whether on 65 or 150W bricks, don't vary much. You only notice the significant differences in the the actual time it takes (And yes, checked & toggled various system settings)
I have noticed a couple of things:
A. The ubiquitous multiple outlet strips provide less capacity than plugging directly into wall- even with only one item plugged in-
B. As stated before, 10T's 150W brick charges @ bit higher power the 8T. Maybe I'll buy another one as spare.
C. Cable can fray & separate internally if not real careful- this occurred with OP Nord N10. (Even in that state still fast charges various Samsung & LG phones & tablets- shows how far behind all others are behind OP)
The price for 12/256Gb in my country, in Europa 846 Euro... Gtotesque !!!
$799 in the US for the 16/256 version. I've seen some places selling the Chinese 16/512 version for $849. Comes with ColorOS though.
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$799 in the US for the 16/256 version. I've seen some places selling the Chinese 16/512 version for $849. Comes with ColorOS though.
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And won't have the proper bands for US carriers nor will it be whitelisted for AT&T.
It's missing B71 as well as n71 and n25 which means poor performance on T-Mobile. It is likely missing 3.45GHz n77 as well because there's no reason to certify that on a Chinese device and T-Mobile is preparing to deploy that at the end of the year.
It's missing B13 which means no Verizon support. The omission of mmWave significantly impacts many larger Verizon markets too.
It's missing B14, B29, B30 as well as their 5G counterparts and likely is missing 3.45GHz n77 as well as mentioned above but unlike T-Mobile, AT&T has already been deploying this as a number of their markets they can't use the rest of their n77 holdings until 2024 (mine included).
Anyone buying these phones for US use will definitely experience problems.
Looks like it supports these bands:
4G: B1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/17/18/19/20/26/28A/66.
5G: n1/n3/n5/n7/n8/n20/n28A/n38/n40/n41/n66/n77/n78.
I have both VZW and TMO. The lack of n260/n261 means no ultra wide 5G for either of those companies. Verizon uses n77 for 5G, but I'm not sure how much they've deployed it. My 8T doesn't have n77 so I can't test.
In my area, I see my phone mostly use 2/5/66 for both VZW and TMO, 13 for VZW and 12 for TMO. Verizon's 5G NSA doesn't seem any better than 4G in my area, but it's fast for TMO (600+ Mbps), however, VZW gets service where TMO doesn't.
I guess I'll hold out for the 11T and hope OnePlus increases storage and adds the mmWave bands.
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And won't have the proper bands for US carriers nor will it be whitelisted for AT&T.
It's missing B71 as well as n71 and n25 which means poor performance on T-Mobile. It is likely missing 3.45GHz n77 as well because there's no reason to certify that on a Chinese device and T-Mobile is preparing to deploy that at the end of the year.
It's missing B13 which means no Verizon support. The omission of mmWave significantly impacts many larger Verizon markets too.
It's missing B14, B29, B30 as well as their 5G counterparts and likely is missing 3.45GHz n77 as well as mentioned above but unlike T-Mobile, AT&T has already been deploying this as a number of their markets they can't use the rest of their n77 holdings until 2024 (mine included).
Anyone buying these phones for US use will definitely experience problems.
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I am NYC and using Verizon, I have OnePlus 11 Chinese version in hand and can confirm 4G works but not 5G, hope once I convert to Oos 5G will work
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I am NYC and using Verizon, I have OnePlus 11 Chinese version in hand and can confirm 4G works but not 5G, hope once I convert to Oos 5G will work
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What if you force the phone to use 5G? (Dial *#4636#*#* > phone information > Set preferred network type: NR/LTE)
I noticed on my phone with the VZW sim, I had to manually set that, whereas with the TMO sim it was automatic (including other 5G related settings that don't appear under the VZW sim). I also recently updated my VZW sim to rule that out as the limiting factor.
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What if you force the phone to use 5G? (Dial *#4636#*#* > phone information > Set preferred network type: NR/LTE)
I noticed on my phone with the VZW sim, I had to manually set that, whereas with the TMO sim it was automatic (including other 5G related settings that don't appear under the VZW sim). I also recently updated my VZW sim to rule that out as the limiting factor.
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Yeah I did that, if force NR/LTE you get LTE, if force NR only you get no signal, I just switched to Verizon from t mobile, If I remembered correctly t mobile I do have 5g but not positive
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I am NYC and using Verizon, I have OnePlus 11 Chinese version in hand and can confirm 4G works but not 5G, hope once I convert to Oos 5G will work
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Yep, that's what I expected. Even further, if you tried to activate new service with that phone instead of swapping your SIM, it probably would get rejected, as Verizon doesn't whitelist phones that lack B13.
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Yeah I did that, if force NR/LTE you get LTE, if force NR only you get no signal, I just switched to Verizon from t mobile, If I remembered correctly t mobile I do have 5g but not positive
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I had to do this to enable 5G for VZW on my phone to use NR/LTE/...., but I'm still on A11. A12 and A13 OOS should already have it. Perhaps the OP 11 with ColorOS doesn't have the proper configuration to connect to North America 5G networks.
I believe TMO focused on 5G NSA whereas VZW focused more on their UltraWide 5G or 5G SA, which is why my VZW 5G speeds aren't much better than 4G. If I set my phone to NR only, I have no signal, so it seems I'm limited to 5G NSA (NR/LTE).
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Looks like it supports these bands:
4G: B1/2/3/4/5/7/8/12/17/18/19/20/26/28A/66.
5G: n1/n3/n5/n7/n8/n20/n28A/n38/n40/n41/n66/n77/n78.
I have both VZW and TMO. The lack of n260/n261 means no ultra wide 5G for either of those companies. Verizon uses n77 for 5G, but I'm not sure how much they've deployed it. My 8T doesn't have n77 so I can't test.
In my area, I see my phone mostly use 2/5/66 for both VZW and TMO, 13 for VZW and 12 for TMO. Verizon's 5G NSA doesn't seem any better than 4G in my area, but it's fast for TMO (600+ Mbps), however, VZW gets service where TMO doesn't.
I guess I'll hold out for the 11T and hope OnePlus increases storage and adds the mmWave bands.
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I thought no more 11s- Pro or T planned.
Anywho, even if I'm wrong about T, dollars to doughnuts they'll downgrade something on it.
I'm so ready for e-Sim, 512gb & beefier battery like being done with their tablet- hopefully that won't cost 1K.
Also ready for OP Fold.