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http://www.reddit.com/r/moto360/comments/2la6cg/noticed_i_can_get_my_moto_360_to_last_24_days/
A rudamentary discussion is over at the link above about an idea a couple of us have. The short of it is that with the ability to build profiles from an app on your phone, you could disable notifications/bluetooth (on the phone)/ ambient/ etc and that has been shown to dramatically improve battery life ( up to 3 days ). I'm curious if a developer with a Wear device would entertain the idea of putting something like this together. I would be happy to pay for an application that could make these types of adjustments through definable profiles, and I suspect many others would as well.
Thoughts? Suggestions?
Quick update. Battery life on the watch is improved by ~40% in a controlled test by disabling bluetooth on the paired phone. More details on the thread at Reddit.
Wtf is the point of disabling Bluetooth on the phone? The watch can't do what it's supposed to do then?
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I don't think that can be accurate. I've found that my watch has much worse battery life when not paired, as it is constantly searching for a bluetooth device to pair with... Maybe they mean airplane mode. But if that's the case, the watch is barely more featured than any normal old watch....
As discussed in the thread @ Reddit, the idea is that we're often in a situation where you don't need the watch. If I'm sitting at my desk, I have Chrome open, have my phone in front of me on a dock, etc. Using the watch is cumbersome if I already have my hands on a keyboard and mouse. Therefore, draining 7-12% per hour is a waste. If you consider that many of us are in a position for 6-8 hours a day where the watch will not be used, and the lifespan of the watch is anywhere from 12-18 hours, than turning off bluetooth can mean your watch may last longer than 24 hours and be more effective when you do require it.
This may not apply to you. But it will for many.
As for its effectiveness, I've done it two days in a row now. Using Wear Battery Stats, the results are consistently 40%+ reduction in battery discharge.
so what would be the conditions for matching the profile? meetings? GPS location? times of day?
also, you'd have to have an app present on the watch itself to make this functional, which would limit you to solely duration of time. so technically you'd be limited to the appointments on your calendar - but if you're in airplane mode, is this even possible?
i think the phone could issue a command to the watch to go to airplane mode, but how to get it back out is a bit more complicated. time is the only factor that i can think of. if you move locations, leave your desk, etc., you'd have to manually set it out of airplane, which is not something that interests me.
i'm still waiting for the ability to turn off teh motion sensor.
I just did a logical cheap DIY. (it does not put a stress in the battery)
I put my charger dock to my TIMER wall plug.
I wake up everyday at 05:45. When I go to sleep I have about 25% battery life, I put the watch on my dock and do not charge it.
At 04:00 my wall charger turns automatically ON and starts charging my watch, When I wake up it's 100% . Moto 360 did NOT charge all night, and it goes from about 10% - 20% (witch is almost best ) to 100%.
cvenk said:
I just did a logical cheap DIY. (it does not put a stress in the battery)
I put my charger dock to my TIMER wall plug.
I wake up everyday at 05:45. When I go to sleep I have about 25% battery life, I put the watch on my dock and do not charge it.
At 04:00 my wall charger turns automatically ON and starts charging my watch, When I wake up it's 100% . Moto 360 did NOT charge all night, and it goes from about 10% - 20% (witch is almost best ) to 100%.
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1. not sure how this relates to the OP.
2. isn't the battery "sweet spot" 80-40%? theoretically reducing the battery to 10% puts more wear on the battery than charging overnight? what if you switched your timer to charge first, then disable?
Yes. What I'm envisioning at bare minimum would be:
- An application on the smart watch that can disable bluetooth locally. That way you can keep it on the phone for your car stereo, headphone, etc features. This could be used through Google Voice (Tap screen and say "Open Sleep Now" or whatever). Also have the ability to open from any standard launcher such as "Wear Mini Launcher" or a Swipe command so you can quickly enable it when you sit down at your desk.
- The application on the smart watch includes the ability to force dim the screen or show a black screen like Slumber until you press/hold the button or press the screen to wake it.
- The application on the smart watch would have a feature to keep bluetooth turned off/screen turned off until the watch detects feedback from the accelerometer that there is significant and consistent movement over X period of time. This would help some people configure it not to go off while at their desk but while walking around the office/home/etc.
A more advanced version could offer additional features from the smartphone such as location awareness based on Wifi/GPS, but my understanding is that such a feature would burn through the smartphone battery. If not, then the ability to disable bluetooth on the smartphone based on location or detection of wifi APs would be another way to approach this. However, I believe that many people would find the first few feature recommendations above beneficial enough.
i hadn't considered the accelerometer but i think it will be tricky to get it right. i feel like the watch would be turning off/on the BT a LOT. sorry to sound so pessimistic - i think some test cases are warranted here.
your last point i just don't see feasible given the limitations of the watch. sacrifice the phone battery for the watch battery doesn't sound like an ideal situation and I'm not convinced it would be effective at reducing battery usage on the watch either.
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i hadn't considered the accelerometer but i think it will be tricky to get it right. i feel like the watch would be turning off/on the BT a LOT. sorry to sound so pessimistic - i think some test cases are warranted here.
your last point i just don't see feasible given the limitations of the watch. sacrifice the phone battery for the watch battery doesn't sound like an ideal situation and I'm not convinced it would be effective at reducing battery usage on the watch either.
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Agreed. Again, at bare minimum, if I had a bluetooth/wireless toggle switch on the smartwatch, that would be a huge benefit. I could turn it off while driving and sitting at my desk.
Also, as discussed on reddit, it does not only apply to bluetooth on and off. With profiles, you can turn off HR monitor, step counter, etc when you're seated at the office and just turn it back on when you leave. It can also be scheduled (if you leave office at 5pm, start the profile that enables most services by 4:30pm).
For me, the 8 hours a day that I work, I don't need email or social apps notifying me on my watch since I have a computer in front of me the whole time. I also don't need the HR triggering every so often. At the bare minimum, I just need calendar reminders and SMS via hangouts. If there is a way to set "Office" profile scheduled every 9am to 5pm then revert back to the default profile outside of those times, it would be great.
I've just changed from a Gear Live to a Moto 360 and after charging and syncing the battery died after three hours! Horrendous. Someone please advise! My gear Live with the same settings never did this.
Hi,
I just received a Moto 360, and I know what you're going through!
I've gone from 3 charges a day previously, and today the watch is reporting I have almost 2 days remaining of charge.
First, FULLY cycle the battery. Leave it on the stand over night, run it until it turns off (if you're in a rush, ambient display, full brightness!). Then, full charge to 100% and leave it for an hour on the charger once it is full.
After that, do a factory reset on the watch (in settings). In Android Wear on phone, use the settings menu to resync your apps.
Do one more full discharge and full charge, and you should be sorted.
If not, use the Watch Battery section of the wear app to identify problem apps. Before today, I had never seen a "watch idle" entry, because an app was holding the watch awake. Identifying and removing that app has solved the rest of my problems.
Hope all this works. Some of the steps seem/may be unnecessary, such as the factory reset, multiple full charge cycles. However, I speak from experience that they do work!
Edit: Do be aware that the charge cycles where you do a factory reset and sync will drastically drain the battery, giving the illusion that the problem is still there.
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I had never seen a "watch idle" entry, because an app was holding the watch awake. Identifying and removing that app has solved the rest of my problems.
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So which app was that. Could you be specific please? I've had my 360 since October and had no issues with battery life until about 2 weeks ago and now it can't make it through a work shift all of a sudden. I've seen the 'watch idle' and the android guy with no title in the battery stats (as well as 'Bluetooth', which is mind blowing) as the main drains but I can't figure out which apps need the boot. Thanks in advance for the help, this problem is driving me crazy!
For me it was WeChat. I didn't even know it had a wear component. However, using Wear Battery Stats (available on Google Play) I noticed that there was a missing icon under "app activity" because it had updated that day. Tapping on this blank icon told me it was an activity belonging to WeChat. Using this, I deduced that was the problem app. Removing it seems to have solved my issue. I'd recommend a similar process, although I only found this app on that day due to it updating, so you may struggle. I get the impression the standard of coding of wear apps so far is pretty shoddy, I don't think not providing a package name and icon is unusual or specific to this one app.
chrispy_212 said:
Hi,
I just received a Moto 360, and I know what you're going through!
I've gone from 3 charges a day previously, and today the watch is reporting I have almost 2 days remaining of charge.
First, FULLY cycle the battery. Leave it on the stand over night, run it until it turns off (if you're in a rush, ambient display, full brightness!). Then, full charge to 100% and leave it for an hour on the charger once it is full.
After that, do a factory reset on the watch (in settings). In Android Wear on phone, use the settings menu to resync your apps.
Do one more full discharge and full charge, and you should be sorted.
If not, use the Watch Battery section of the wear app to identify problem apps. Before today, I had never seen a "watch idle" entry, because an app was holding the watch awake. Identifying and removing that app has solved the rest of my problems.
Hope all this works. Some of the steps seem/may be unnecessary, such as the factory reset, multiple full charge cycles. However, I speak from experience that they do work!
Edit: Do be aware that the charge cycles where you do a factory reset and sync will drastically drain the battery, giving the illusion that the problem is still there.
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For me it was WeChat. I didn't even know it had a wear component. However, using Wear Battery Stats (available on Google Play) I noticed that there was a missing icon under "app activity" because it had updated that day. Tapping on this blank icon told me it was an activity belonging to WeChat. Using this, I deduced that was the problem app. Removing it seems to have solved my issue. I'd recommend a similar process, although I only found this app on that day due to it updating, so you may struggle. I get the impression the standard of coding of wear apps so far is pretty shoddy, I don't think not providing a package name and icon is unusual or specific to this one app.
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Thanks for the reply. I don't use that specific app so no luck there. Good call on Wear Battery Stats though. I actually already use it but I'll use its stats this time instead of the standard wear stats. Thanks again, hopefully I can find the culprit, been having issues with my phone battery as well recently too.
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Thanks for the reply. I don't use that specific app so no luck there. Good call on Wear Battery Stats though. I actually already use it but I'll use its stats this time instead of the standard wear stats. Thanks again, hopefully I can find the culprit, been having issues with my phone battery as well recently too.
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fyi - i haven't tested this since it happened, but i disabled BT on my phone (just disabled in settings, without disconnecting the wtch first) and the watch drained itself in probably about 20-30 minutes. When I finally got it charged, it said BT took everything.
When I was having app issues, I also noticed very high bluetooth consumption. This could likely be a poorly coded app constantly trying to ping your phone for data and receiving no reply as it is not designed for a scenario where your phone is not connected.
The alternative of course is defective hardware.
A step I did not include in my original post was that I also clean-flashed a new rom on my phone. I felt this was due to a unique problem that I had (bluetooth problems in car also) but nonetheless thought I should mention that too. It's hard to be sure which step exactly cured my watch.
Same was happening to me, after several master resets and trial and error, i found that on my Samsung s7 edge i had my watch set as a trusted device so when it was connected to my phone my device would unlock without passcode. After turning that off, battery life is normal again, 24hrs plus. I think the constant bluetooth checking to see if it was attached drained battery extremely fast, hopefully this helps someone
I just got a moto 360 off Craigslist yesterday. We did a factory reset and I left with it. I played with it a lot last night and it went down about 60% in 3.5 hours. I assumed that was beaches if the almost content use. Put it on the charger last night and woke up with it at 100%. It was down 7% in 20 minutes. Is that normal? Does it slow down later? it's updated to 5.0.1. wondering if there is something wrong with this one.
It really depends on a number of factors:
1) how often you use the watch (kinda duh);
2) what apps you're running and how power-hungry they are;
3) brightness level, ambient screen setting;
4) watch face (the second hand, for instance - does it update continuously or per-second?); does the watch face also make any location requests?
5) API calls to the watch from the phone and which apps.
My typical 8-hour working day takes up 30-40%. I have notifications turned on for a few apps, music controller is working for roughly 40 minutes. My ambient screen is off and brightness is always on the brightest setting (5).
I had good battery life before 5.1.1 despite many apps loaded including WatchMaker Pro. Was able to get through end of day and then some.
After 5.1.1 update can't get more than 7 hours. I tried completely resetting watch, removing/reinstalling Android Wear/Moto apps from phone and clearing BT. Tried removing many apps, turned off WiFi, turned off card flip, ambient off, even turned off flip to wake which I had on before. There are less battery munching things installed and more functions turned off yet much lower battery life.
Battery Level indicator shows...
- Android Wear 8%
- Bluetooth 6%
- Android System 4%
- Screen 3%
I saw post about clearing everything off phone and starting over, which I've done.
Any suggestions?
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Edit: Based on responses below, it has been fixed.
Here is exactly what I did that solved my battery life issues after 5.1.1 update. I don't know if all steps necessary but is what worked for me...
- Go to Android Wear app on phone, Settings>Moto360 Connected>Forget Watch at bottom of screen
- Phone App Manager in Settings, Select Android Wear - Clear Data, Clear Cache, Uninstall App. Also uninstall Moto Connect app.
- Check Bluetooth, unpair watch if still there. Turn off Bluetooth.
- Reboot Phone (Do this, I missed this step and had issues)
- Do a factory/hard reset on Watch from Watch Settings
- On phone, turn on Bluetooth after rebooted.
- Install this version of Android Wear (this may not be required but is what I did)...
http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google...roid-wear-1-1-1-1956917-android-apk-download/
- Setup as if new watch
- Check battery level over time and hopefully 'Watch Idle' is on top of list
- After confirming battery drain resolved....
- Goto Android Wear, Settings>Moto360 Connected>Resync apps
I now get well over a 24 hours battery life with many apps installed and complex Watchmaker Pro face - everything turned on except WiFi, ambient screen. Watch Idle shows as top item in Battery level screen.
I eventually let Android Wear app update under Google Play and all was fine. It may not be necessary to install older version first but is what I did.
I have had the same results. I used to sleep with my watch on and the battery would drain about 18% in 7 hours. Since installing 5.1.1, my battery life is much worse. This morning i woke and only had 2% charge left. Today I went from 8:30am to 2:30pm and had 39% charge left with minimal use, so it burns around 10% an hour.
xenokc said:
I had good battery life before 5.1.1 despite many apps loaded including WatchMaker Pro. Was able to get through end of day and then some.
After 5.1.1 update can't get more than 7 hours. I tried completely resetting watch, removing/reinstalling Android Wear/Moto apps from phone and clearing BT. Tried removing many apps, turned off WiFi, turned off card flip, ambient off, even turned off flip to wake which I had on before. There are less battery munching things installed and more functions turned off yet much lower battery life.
Battery Level indicator shows...
- Android Wear 8%
- Bluetooth 6%
- Android System 4%
- Screen 3%
I saw post about clearing everything off phone and starting over, which I've done.
Any suggestions?
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Is there an app syncing data to your watch (Play Music) or anything? Here are my stats so far today:
- Idel 8%
- Android Wear 4%
- Android System 3%
- Screen 3%
- Bluetooth 2%
- Wifi 1%
(I had 4 other apps at 1% each that I did not list)
I have had my watch off the charger for 9 hours and lost 37% battery (4.1% and hour). The only thing I see is that your Bluetooth and Android Wear seem high, which would make me think there is some app syncing data to the watch.
Unninstall the Android wear APK that updated on June 18 on your phone, install the May 26 APK and deny the auto update feature, this worked for me.
With the update the watch lost 10% in 1 hour now it loses 10% in 7 hours
the link for the android wear apk is:
http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/android-wear/
Thanks all. I reset watch again, installed older version of Wear above and rebooted phone (important step I didn't do before). Am now getting 24+ hours even with a complex Wacthmaker Pro face I created that shows heartrate/steps/weather and 10 other stats. Am happy camper again. Watch Idle is now highest on battery activity.
BTW, Android Wear updated in Google Play to latest version and still great battery life.
7 hours is great. Mine died in 45 minutes. I got up - took it off the charger - it was at 100% - 45 mins later it had 12% left and a minute later died. I'll see how it goes tomorrow but 45 mins of battery time for a relatively new device is insane. It says that 98% of the battery is used by Android Wear.
The battery drained in 3 hours of no use, wtf happened? any idea?
I posted exactly what I did to solve my problem in the second half of the first post.
how can i see the battery level ??/ Just bought a new one
hoangtu2410 said:
how can i see the battery level ??/ Just bought a new one
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Go to Android Wear app on phone, Settings gear icon>Moto360 Connected>watch battery
edit: Seems odd it's so deeply hidden but the reason is because they now support multiple Wear devices so you have to select which device you want to see stats on even though most only have one.
I just bought it today but my batery life is just horrible. I updated to 5.0.2 and I don't think I should install 5.1.1.
This is what happends:
- I charge to 100%
- after 1 hour its dead.
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how can i see the battery level ??/ Just bought a new one
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drop down on the watch or open the android wear app tap the gear at the top right then select moto 360 and there is an option that reads watch battery.
Since the update I can't seem to get to bed with the 20 per cent of battery I used to. I have tilt, ambient, gestures, wifi and auto brightness on. Should I turn off wifi or something?
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Since the update I can't seem to get to bed with the 20 per cent of battery I used to. I have tilt, ambient, gestures, wifi and auto brightness on. Should I turn off wifi or something?
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Check battery level in Wear app and if Screen is high, it might be tilt, ambient, auto brightness. I'm not sure where WiFi shows up, maybe as Android System. I have WiFi turned off, would think it would be biggest battery muncher. Ambient also known to munch.
do you know how to remove moto heart rate software without root ?
I've been having really good luck with battery life considering. I lose about 3% an hour on Bluetooth and about 4% an hour on WiFi. I can't take my connected phone to work so I use another phone to create a hotspot. My watch spends about 9 hours straight on WiFi and I am having better than expected results. Tilt on. Ambient off. 180 min WiFi timeout. Stock rotate watch face. Auto brightness.
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I've got no issues with the watch on 5.1.1, but my Samsung S6 has been hit hard with the latest Android Wear app... fk me.. I used to get almost 5 hrs SOT, but now its just on 3.5hrs..
I think the watch/software is just buggy. Like today I got out at 10AM and it's now 11PM and it still has 58% battery. The other day it died in less than an hour.
PS: Perhaps it should be restarted every now and then. Reminds me of old times with Windows 98. Restart usually fixed lots of problems.
After doing the whole process of deleting apps, resetting the watch and pair the watch to the handset the battery lasted 2 and a half days
So I have a Moto 360 gen 1 and Samsung Galaxy Edge+. I just got the Nougat update on the phone.
After the update, my watch has been draining battery like crazy. I usually got a full day out of it and charged it fully at night. Now, I can't even get to 5pm.
I reset the watch and re-synced with the phone. No change. This morning it's draining at a rate of about 20%/hour which means I will hardly make it past lunch. I also don't even get call notifications now.
I'm fiddling with Android wear and watch settings to try to disable any unneeded app (I only use the watch for basic notification and step counts).
Hello,
About Nougat and Moto 360 ... I received it on my Moto G4 a few weeks ago and I'm not experiencing any battery drain.
Watch battery behaviour is the same as before when phone was in Marshmallow.
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So I have a Moto 360 gen 1 and Samsung Galaxy Edge+. I just got the Nougat update on the phone.
After the update, my watch has been draining battery like crazy. I usually got a full day out of it and charged it fully at night. Now, I can't even get to 5pm.
I reset the watch and re-synced with the phone. No change. This morning it's draining at a rate of about 20%/hour which means I will hardly make it past lunch. I also don't even get call notifications now.
I'm fiddling with Android wear and watch settings to try to disable any unneeded app (I only use the watch for basic notification and step counts).
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try uninstalling updates on Google Play Services (some app will prompt and make you update again, do that).
Uninstall and install all apps that have Wear app as well (like what apps show in Wear, uninstall the app in phone and reinstall and sync the watch in Android Wear app settings)
With such draining its just best to turn off everything unnecessary. Or turn off watch completely. With all resetting and resyncing, the watch will be dead soon anyways.. But probably it was just syncing or updating something by itself and you interrupted it by the reset so it had to do all the syncing again, draining the battery again ..