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From one reluctant Note fan to more confident ones

I'm sitting on a fence I've been scooting on for the past 2 phone upgrades. I currently have a Note 9 and in my head, the natural choice would be a Note 10+. That had been my thinking until Sprint released the OP7 Pro 5G. I know all the specs and all the differences between both on paper. I guess maybe I'm trying to get someone to convince me one way or another. I don't think I've seen a screen better than the ones on Samsung flagships and I'm afraid I'd be trading down if I went OP7. I know about the 90hz screen but since I've never seen it on a phone, I could live without it since I wouldn't know what I'm missing out on. At the same time, my s-pen use has dropped dramatically since I first used on on the Note 4 and honestly, I never use it unless I'm cropping a screenshot, which is rare. Someone just slap the ish out of me and tell me what to choose -_-
Edit: Forgot to mention, I live in Dallas. So I'd have access to Sprints 5G, as rudimentary as it is now. Hence the fence sitting

marky310 said:
I'm sitting on a fence I've been scooting on for the past 2 phone upgrades. I currently have a Note 9 and in my head, the natural choice would be a Note 10+. That had been my thinking until Sprint released the OP7 Pro 5G. I know all the specs and all the differences between both on paper. I guess maybe I'm trying to get someone to convince me one way or another. I don't think I've seen a screen better than the ones on Samsung flagships and I'm afraid I'd be trading down if I went OP7. I know about the 90hz screen but since I've never seen it on a phone, I could live without it since I wouldn't know what I'm missing out on. At the same time, my s-pen use has dropped dramatically since I first used on on the Note 4 and honestly, I never use it unless I'm cropping a screenshot, which is rare. Someone just slap the ish out of me and tell me what to choose -_-
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Depends on how much you take selfies as well. The S-pen is good for snapping pictures like a remote that I enjoy. Also Dex to put the phone folders on the desktop is something that's cool. You're right though. Nothing beats the Samsung AMOLED screen. The screen is a little larger it looks like with the 6.8" than the One Plus at 6.67". Looks like the One Plus doesn't have wireless charging if you used that. Only other main differences is the battery on the Note 10+ is larger at 4300mAh vs the One Plus at 4000mAh. 91% screen to body ratio on the Note 10+ vs the 88.5% on the One Plus. I wouldn't worry too much regardless on which phone you get with 5G since 5G is very limited and very finicky right now. Sure, it might be better next year but they said it's a lot harder to maintain a 5G signal since it uses millimeter waves and much harder to penetrate through walls. I don't see 5G really getting steam until probably the end of next year going into 2021.

Water resistance. I own a pool that I use all the time and snap pictures of the family. The One+ it is t an option. Is this a few $100 to me... Yes.

marky310 said:
I'm sitting on a fence I've been scooting on for the past 2 phone upgrades. I currently have a Note 9 and in my head, the natural choice would be a Note 10+. That had been my thinking until Sprint released the OP7 Pro 5G. I know all the specs and all the differences between both on paper. I guess maybe I'm trying to get someone to convince me one way or another. I don't think I've seen a screen better than the ones on Samsung flagships and I'm afraid I'd be trading down if I went OP7. I know about the 90hz screen but since I've never seen it on a phone, I could live without it since I wouldn't know what I'm missing out on. At the same time, my s-pen use has dropped dramatically since I first used on on the Note 4 and honestly, I never use it unless I'm cropping a screenshot, which is rare. Someone just slap the ish out of me and tell me what to choose -_-
Edit: Forgot to mention, I live in Dallas. So I'd have access to Sprints 5G, as rudimentary as it is now. Hence the fence sitting
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10+ 512GB 5G. When using 5G, it's like you are in a different planet. Truest me. And, as everyone else dumps their cell phone because it doesn't support 5G, you'll already be where you want to be.
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Note10+. I had the same battle basically, in my mind. Screen, DeX, s-pen, IP68, wireless charging, WAY better camera (that's what made up my mind), most premium feeling and looking phone around... Samsung just has an amazing thing going right now. This phone is the most incredible piece of technology I've ever owned. I'm coming from a Note9, which I previously thought was basically unbeatable (only upgraded due to the amazing deals). SO glad I chose this phone.

PsiPhiDan said:
Note10+. I had the same battle basically, in my mind. Screen, DeX, s-pen, IP68, wireless charging, WAY better camera (that's what made up my mind), most premium feeling and looking phone around... Samsung just has an amazing thing going right now. This phone is the most incredible piece of technology I've ever owned. I'm coming from a Note9, which I previously thought was basically unbeatable (only upgraded due to the amazing deals). SO glad I chose this phone.
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I appreciate all these answers. Its definitely reinforcing a lot of the feelings I have for the Note series. I really do feel like if I choose the 10+, I'd be just as happy as this. But I've always had an itch to try something new once the shine of a new note wears off. Part of me feels that may be due to the almost insignificant jump from the note 8 to 9 and I have a feeling going from 9 to 10+ would be a lot more impressive. I still have time to decide, but I really wanted to put feelers out whole I could. Thanks so much, dudes :laugh:

marky310 said:
I appreciate all these answers. Its definitely reinforcing a lot of the feelings I have for the Note series. I really do feel like if I choose the 10+, I'd be just as happy as this. But I've always had an itch to try something new once the shine of a new note wears off. Part of me feels that may be due to the almost insignificant jump from the note 8 to 9 and I have a feeling going from 9 to 10+ would be a lot more impressive. I still have time to decide, but I really wanted to put feelers out whole I could. Thanks so much, dudes :laugh:
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Thing is, you'll get the opposite answer from OnePlus 7 forums. They'll tell you to get the OP7 Pro because of the 90Hz screen, no hole punch camera, faster updates, faster overall UI (I sincerely doubt that any UI could be faster than this Note10+ on performance mode, Nova launcher, and 0.5 scale animations though... This is INSANE), and Oxygen OS instead of Samsung's bloated UI. That's what they'll say, whether true or not. So I hope you put out feelers on both sides or the battle wasn't fair! Either way, this phone is better for ME. Not sure what's better for you.

PsiPhiDan said:
Thing is, you'll get the opposite answer from OnePlus 7 forums. They'll tell you to get the OP7 Pro because of the 90Hz screen, no hole punch camera, faster updates, faster overall UI (I sincerely doubt that any UI could be faster than this Note10+ on performance mode, Nova launcher, and 0.5 scale animations though... This is INSANE), and Oxygen OS instead of Samsung's bloated UI. That's what they'll say, whether true or not. So I hope you put out feelers on both sides or the battle wasn't fair! Either way, this phone is better for ME. Not sure what's better for you.
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That's exactly what I did, lol. Made basically the same thread on the OP7 forum to gauge both sides. I think I'll come down to me trying both out in store and getting a feel for both.

I might be able to offer another opinion for you, but with the same results.
I was a pretty loyal iPhone fan for the longest time since the 3GS. I had a couple of forays into the Android world, with the OnePlus One and LG V20, because like you, I wondered what it was like on the other side. I really liked the OnePlus One, but a bad customer service experience turned me off to them until the 6T came out and I decided to try them again. I had the phone for less than 48 hrs before I brought the phone back for another iPhone.
Fast forward to August 2019 and I fell in love with the Note 10+ instantly. I had always wanted one but the Note 7(?) fiasco turned me away. I went in to Best Buy one day and got some hands on time with it, and I was hooked. It's the first time I've ever pre-ordered a phone, it was very exciting. Now that I've been using the phone for awhile, I can honestly say it's been a great experience. Camera, screen and the Samsung ecosystem are all top notch. And, no buyers' regret!

Anything but the Note 10 or 10+ It's not all rosy as it seems, the camera quality is sub par and you'll be constantly disappointed when you open the camera to take a pic. Call quality is not great because of the weird placement of the speakers. 60Hz display seems retarded compared to 90Hz, huge difference. Now I don't know One plus 7 camera quality but Pixel 4XL will definitely have much better camera. So coming from another Note 10+ owner don't buy this iteration, it's basically crap. I owned a note 8 and 5 prior to this. My next phone will definitely be a Pixel or One Plus.

cyanotrix said:
Anything but the Note 10 or 10+ It's not all rosy as it seems, the camera quality is sub par and you'll be constantly disappointed when you open the camera to take a pic. Call quality is not great because of the weird placement of the speakers. 60Hz display seems retarded compared to 90Hz, huge difference. Now I don't know One plus 7 camera quality but Pixel 4XL will definitely have much better camera. So coming from another Note 10+ owner don't buy this iteration, it's basically crap. I owned a note 8 and 5 prior to this. My next phone will definitely be a Pixel or One Plus.
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The camera is not sub par. It may not be the best, but it is definitely in the top 3 or 4. Also I have never, ever had a problem with call quality although I think that front facing speakers do sound better, but call quality and sound as it pertains to music or video are two different things. Fact is, it is only loudmess is only slightly less strong compared to the S10 (+), which has front facing speakers. This iteration isn't crap, but is different. If you are yearning for the productivity of yesteryear, wait for next years Note (or maybe the year after that). The S line and the Note line will probably be merged and the Fold will more than likely inherit the S-pen and become the new productivity device. Remember, even though the Pixel and OnePlus are great phones, the screens and the technology everyone is raving about, comes from Samsung. They also made the screens for the 3 and 3a. As for the 60Hz v. 90Hz debate, yes it is a noticable difference, but does that mean the Note experience sucks. No it doesn't suck and the fast charging is comparable to the OP7 Pro and it also offers fast wireless charging, as well as reverse wireles charging. While not necessary, wireless charging is extremely convenient. You can find wireless chargers in coffee shops resteraunts, airports and even in a lot of newer cars. Its great to be able to just throw your phone on the dash while driving across town and still have all of its fuctionality while its charging. In my opinion the Note 10+ is a great phone; overpriced, but a great phone none the less. BTW, I do own both Pixel and One Plus devices, as well as Xiaomi, Vivo and Huawei. So I do have several phones that I can compare against.

Question Who is pre ordering?

Im coming from a z fold 3/ S22 ultra, wasnt planning on getting the 4 since the upgrades seemed very minor but i had some play time with it at Samsung and was surprised how much i liked it. Cameras are much improved especially the zoom (which was my big complaint on the 3 coming from the S21 ultra and 22 ultra).
Felt the decrease in weight and could actually notice the 3mm increase on the front screen. Figured im running out of storage on the 512gb fold 3 anyway so got the 1tb version.

Against my better judgement, I bit even though the differences were minor and since the deals last year were better through Samsung. Hope I don't regret it.
I was really considering the Vivo Xfold instead but I could not pull the trigger on that one because of lack of Volte support here in the US on my carriers.

Waiting for the Fold 4 512GB, GW5 Pro, and Buds 2 Pro to get here. Hopefully they come a few days early which is the typical. All showing an estimated delivery date of August 26th as of now with "Preorder" status and cancel button still available.

Forget this. The xiaomi mi mix fold "2" is the one! How slim is this phone!? Damn.
In comparison the fold 4 looks prehistoric. I want to like Samsung again, but they're boring lately

Jumped on the preorder too. Love the 3, but that camera is great! Who else thinks they spend too much on phones?

Yup, will be my first fold.

lawtq said:
Forget this. The xiaomi mi mix fold "2" is the one! How slim is this phone!? Damn.
In comparison the fold 4 looks prehistoric. I want to like Samsung again, but they're boring lately
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Yeap. Samsung's been a dull knife for almost 3 years straight now. A lot of dropped balls.
No SD card expandable storage makes this device a no sale right off the get go.
If you have a 1tb one reloads will very time consuming if have a large database. Worse there's nothing to prevent data loss on the device if the OS crashes or if the phone gets mangled.
Samsung knew better... screw em.

lawtq said:
Forget this. The xiaomi mi mix fold "2" is the one! How slim is this phone!? Damn.
In comparison the fold 4 looks prehistoric. I want to like Samsung again, but they're boring lately
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Sure, let me know when it comes with a warranty or support in the US and maybe I'll look. Also, what kind of water resistance does it have? Looks great but I need to know I won't have an issue especially since the Fold is what I use for work and the Pixel 6 Pro handles personal things.

preordered 12/512 Black. My first Fold...

94b20gsr said:
Sure, let me know when it comes with a warranty or support in the US and maybe I'll look. Also, what kind of water resistance does it have? Looks great but I need to know I won't have an issue especially since the Fold is what I use for work and the Pixel 6 Pro handles personal things.
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IPx8, so there's that.
However it's battery is only a 100mAh larger than my N10+'s which easily get 11+hrs SOT. I highly doubt any of the Folds can survive 2+ years of heavy usage without major repairs (excluding normal battery replacement). Their track record in this regard sucks.

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IPx8, so there's that.
However it's battery is only a 100mAh larger than my N10+'s which easily get 11+hrs SOT. I highly doubt any of the Folds can survive 2+ years of heavy usage without major repairs (excluding normal battery replacement). Their track record in this regard sucks.
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The Fold 4 does have IPx8, but my comments were in regards to the Xiaomi offering. I'm a little too aware of what the Fold has going for it. I've seen a vocal minority complaining about Folds on Reddit but I've also seen plenty of people with Fold 2's that are in use daily without any trouble. My Fold 3 is in perfect shape 1 year on.

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The Fold 4 does have IPx8, but my comments were in regards to the Xiaomi offering. I'm a little too aware of what the Fold has going for it. I've seen a vocal minority complaining about Folds on Reddit but I've also seen plenty of people with Fold 2's that are in use daily without any trouble. My Fold 3 is in perfect shape 1 year on.
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It's a leading edge technology that literally stretching the materials to their design limits.
In a prefect world this might work... the Fold's fail in a predictable pattern. When Samsung's QC is good its less. Samsung's QC isn't what is was 3 years ago though. Plenty of failures across the board, not just with the Folds. This may work in your favor. Samsung is desperate to make this design succeed.
All my old phones as old as 12 yo that are still fully functional in spite of a hard lives. The Folds are incapable of that without major repairs. This N10+ in my hands is almost 3 years old, it looks, feels and runs like new. It's always case protected; something that's hard to do with a foldable. It's projected service life is 2+ years more. So far I've seen nothing new that can effectively replace it. Google Android is also very much a large part of the problem since Android 11 it's been a scoped storage paranoid mess.
Xiaomi hasn't invested the time and money Samsung has although they may have learned from that. If Xiaomi isn't bragging about its IP rating it's for a reason...

94b20gsr said:
Sure, let me know when it comes with a warranty or support in the US and maybe I'll look. Also, what kind of water resistance does it have? Looks great but I need to know I won't have an issue especially since the Fold is what I use for work and the Pixel 6 Pro handles personal things.
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Go knock yourself out then. If you need those things, fair enough.
I want to like this, but the only real thing I'll notice are better cameras, rebadged fold 3. We just lapp it up every year. Lazy ahhhse Samsung, in the sense it's not different enough from its predecessor.
IWe all have different needs. If you've never gone fold before also, it'll be nice, after you've been resuscitated from the shock of that price

lawtq said:
Forget this. The xiaomi mi mix fold "2" is the one! How slim is this phone!? Damn.
In comparison the fold 4 looks prehistoric. I want to like Samsung again, but they're boring lately
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I totally agree. Samsung is so boring!
I personally would NEVER BUY SAMSUNG!
Samsung deliberately removed the real fastboot and replaced it with a fake empty one that doesn't even do anything. Samsung did this on purpose to annoy their users...
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Then Samsung force constant selinux enforcing down your throat and the only way to set it to permissive is by actually hacking into your kernel. Sounds like fun right?
Every year Samsung force you to use AMOLED display which is suboptimal. Why not give your customers alternative display technology options such as IPS panel for instance?
And if you are unlucky enough to get stuck in a very annoying and mysterious bootloop then as a new user you will have a hard time to get back out of it on a Samsung device. It's much easier to get out of bootloops on other manufacturer's devices (those with a real working fastboot).
That's why I prefer Xiaomi devices nowadays. Cheap price, good hardware, easy to unlock (1 week waiting time which is kind of annoying but still somewhat acceptable), easy to root and debloat and customize
And with Xiaomi devices you can actually choose between OLED and IPS panels...
And the best part is : setenforce 0 actually works on Xiaomi devices! I know most Samsung folks can only dream of doing that (even as root!). No need to be jealous, just buy Xiaomi device next time! You won't regret it!
I know I always regret those damn Samsung devices...
Don't get me wrong the Samsung hardware is great (well minus the display) and their stock Android OS is rock solid if you ask me.
The only problem is Samsung has this policy of needlessly annoying their power users by adding all these useless protection features that nobody really needs. Why can't they be more like Xiaomi?
Conclusion: Xiaomi devices are much more developer friendly than Samsung devices.
There may be other good phone manufacturers out there but so far I've only tried Sony, HTC, Samsung and Xiaomi (in chronological order). Xiaomi is the clear winner for me by far. None of the others can even get close.
Just my 3 cents

i'm not a developer or interested in rooting (anymore). trading in my Fold3 and S22 Ultra, for an unlocked 1TB Fold 4 and Watch5 Pro. The Fold3 was my personal device and the S22 Ultra is a (free to me) work phone. Employer is switching to iPhones and allowing Android users to keep their (work) Android devices or use a personal device for work (as long as it passes security checks). this is the perfect scenario for me, making my decision an easy one: Fold 4 with dual sim capabilities for $216.

LOL, microSD card and headphone jack are EXTINCT. Yes they are NEVER coming back so we really need to stop beating that dead horse already!
The offshore devices are nice but what good are they if you cannot use the USA bands? Dealbreaker right there...
Some things I wish we had:
IR Blaster. Don't think it's ever coming back. It may be more of a regulatory thing than anything else.
S-pen included with internal storage like Note proper, right?
Periscope camera if not too bulky.
I thought the Fold 4 was getting UFS 4.0 storage?
Some sources indicate the Flip 4, like its predecessor, won't be getting WiFi 6E capability! That's madness if true. We recently updated our WiFi here to support this connectivity and the speed is superb. It was "maddening" to find my Flip 3 was getting under 1Gbps because there was no WiFi 6E. Yet the Fold 3 has it?!
I like the Flip 3 but I like the Fold 3 even better. $900 for the Flip3 is great trade in so of course I sprung for it. What I'm not thrilled about is the cost to jump to 1TB. If it had 16GB RAM like the S21 512GB then maybe. I dunno. I don't really need that much space on them as the video capture doesn't really need space (like the iPhone 13 Pro Max) so there's that.
At least we have esim now out of the box. Finally!
I may run caseless for a while too. The s-pen with case was "free" with the deal but ugh, so much bulk. I hate, HATE bulk. I buy these aramid thin ass covers for my devices. I see latercase already has it for preorder. I'm going to wait and get essentially the same thing off Amazon for half the price LOL!
Don't even dare mention how much I spend on phones!
I'm on the fence with the iphone 14 pro max in a few weeks. Got to see how much better the camera is going to be. But I read it's going to cost 15% more? WTF a 1TB 14 Pro Max is going to cost more than the Fold 4 MSRP (512GB). That's nuts. Lightning still Apple? USB 2.0 speed in 2022! Madness! At least it will have WiFi6E so airdrop to our NAS will be OK for time being. And I'm not a fan of the sideways exclamation point display cutout FFS! I have no problem losing FaceID for a power button FP reader. The ones on the Fold3 and Flip3 are FLAWLESS and super convenient IMHO.
Ok enough rambling on here. Clock is ticking. Need to start a preorder waiting room thread LOL!

I have a hard time staying away when Samsung has a new release, particularly a phone that appears to be as good as the Fold 4 is looking to be. I traded in my S22 Ultra and I am really happy with the Trade in Deal samsung offered....can't wait ..fingers crossed they ship early like they have usually done in the past...

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Im coming from a z fold 3/ S22 ultra, wasnt planning on getting the 4 since the upgrades seemed very minor but i had some play time with it at Samsung and was surprised how much i liked it. Cameras are much improved especially the zoom (which was my big complaint on the 3 coming from the S21 ultra and 22 ultra).
Felt the decrease in weight and could actually notice the 3mm increase on the front screen. Figured im running out of storage on the 512gb fold 3 anyway so got the 1tb version.
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Nice to see you here force I am on the fence of pre ordering not many deals in canada this time around.

I would have bought the X fold 100% if 5g worked on rogers i Canada, much prefer its form factor and camera to the fold 3 or 4.
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Nice to see you here force I am on the fence of pre ordering not many deals in canada this time around.
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Been while thats for sure lol.
Yeah they really treat Canada like an afterthought, some great pre order options in the US but we get the shaft lol

lawtq said:
Forget this. The xiaomi mi mix fold "2" is the one! How slim is this phone!? Damn.
In comparison the fold 4 looks prehistoric. I want to like Samsung again, but they're boring lately
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Yes, slim hehe But what about features? Wireless charging? IP rating? Inner screen front camera? Software (Xiaomi's support is poor)?
Do you prefer to buy a nice looking or functional device?

Question Battery after ui5 update

What a hell going on with the battery after the update??
2hours sot???
Are you got crasy samsung?!
We are talking now days on 7-8 hours sot, you gave us 2 hours??
Goodbye Zf4
Hello Honor magic vs/Oppo find n2

Bye, no one care.

I find that as Samsung doesn't have any competition with the Foldables, they are a bit slack sometimes.
If the Vivo X fold 2 becomes available globally, that will probably be my next phone.
Seriously, the thin candybar for the outer screen is ludicrous, it is useless when I need to type on it and is only really a quick view screen.
I have the Vivo X fold, battery after a solid day of use is still over 65%, the outer screen is larger which makes it easier to use unfolded (think S22 size screen) and, aside from the fact it has a lot of Chinese settings that restrict it, the software is fairly usable...
My Fold 4 sit's in my pocket without being touched and it chews through the battery.
I find I have to unfold it most of the time and that crease, WOW!!
The X fold crease is so much better and the phone sits flatter and thinner. There are pens (styluses) that you can use on it too and there is a noticeable difference when writing/drawing on the X fold.
Hoping some of these other foldables come out soon so Samsung has to up their game and improve their hardware.

The battery performance is indeed terrible in the UI5, but it was not remarkable prior to that either. My phone drains around 4%-5% overnight but once I start using it the battery drains significantly faster. All the battery monitoring apps I have tried suggest that the battery is in a good condition. I have tried putting almost all the apps to deep sleep but that does not do much.

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I find that as Samsung doesn't have any competition with the Foldables, they are a bit slack sometimes.
If the Vivo X fold 2 becomes available globally, that will probably be my next phone.
Seriously, the thin candybar for the outer screen is ludicrous, it is useless when I need to type on it and is only really a quick view screen.
I have the Vivo X fold, battery after a solid day of use is still over 65%, the outer screen is larger which makes it easier to use unfolded (think S22 size screen) and, aside from the fact it has a lot of Chinese settings that restrict it, the software is fairly usable...
My Fold 4 sit's in my pocket without being touched and it chews through the battery.
I find I have to unfold it most of the time and that crease, WOW!!
The X fold crease is so much better and the phone sits flatter and thinner. There are pens (styluses) that you can use on it too and there is a noticeable difference when writing/drawing on the X fold.
Hoping some of these other foldables come out soon so Samsung has to up their game and improve their hardware.
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What's about IP rating? Better hinge with support Flex Mode? Software that really makes use of foldable device?

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What's about IP rating? Better hinge with support Flex Mode? Software that really makes use of foldable device?
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I find most devices, whether advertised or not, are water resistant both have had no issue with dust (but then again I'm not grabbing a handful of dirt and mashing into the mechanisms either).
The hinge on the X fold is buttery smooth and there is a mode like flex mode too (though locked to the stock Chinese apps that come pre-installed).
The software is where you get more value with Samsung but as more people use other foldable devices the software will improve too (especially as Google dishes out more support for foldable devices).
While not totally on par with Samsung the X Fold does have an enjoyable OS experience, there aren't too many quirks and there are some apps I miss but for the most part it holds it's own.
And yes, I have both devices to compare.

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I find most devices, whether advertised or not, are water resistant both have had no issue with dust (but then again I'm not grabbing a handful of dirt and mashing into the mechanisms either).
The hinge on the X fold is buttery smooth and there is a mode like flex mode too (though locked to the stock Chinese apps that come pre-installed).
The software is where you get more value with Samsung but as more people use other foldable devices the software will improve too (especially as Google dishes out more support for foldable devices).
While not totally on par with Samsung the X Fold does have an enjoyable OS experience, there aren't too many quirks and there are some apps I miss but for the most part it holds it's own.
And yes, I have both devices to compare.
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So Fold from Samsung is still better?

In all honesty, the X fold hardware, I feel, is better, outside screen is larger, the internal screen has a MUCH smaller crease and the phone when folded is flatter.
The Chinese only firmware is what really trips it up.
If they produce the X fold with a Global ROM I would definitely have a go at it over Samsung.
The Fold 4 camera only just got an upgrade (and still is lagging behind over other Samsung flagship phones) but the X fold came out with better camera 1st (remember, the X fold was released 4 months before the Z fold 4).
You can see the specs her for the X fold - https://www.gsmarena.com/vivo_x_fold-11460.php
and here for the Z Fold 4 - https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_z_fold4-11737.php
The X fold, spec for spec, holds it's own. Hopefully it is released globally as it might give Samsung the push to improve the Z fold line...

Question Fold 4 to S23 Ultra, do it or not?

What title says... I'm thinking about a trade in but I'm not convinced yet. I mean I love this phone and the concept of it, but the biggest drawback that annoys me is it's form factor when folded, like having a brick.
Discuss...

I can't trade in my fold 4 for at samsung. It's not listed here.

Im keeping my fold4 and s22u. S23u isn't an upgrade for me and waste of money even with trade in

Not for me, I am totally convinced by the Fold 4 form-factor and I don't wanna go back.
If they upgrade the crease and the camera set up I will look for Z Fold 5, but candybar form factor are over for me.

$750 for Fold4 is a slap in the face! $500 even worse for S22 Ultra.
Apple cut trade in value too.
A form of shrinkflation, I suppose.
But it sucks.
Aside from a slightly faster chip and even more gimmicky camera (200MP, c'mon!), it's the same damn phone! Save your money.

Definitely not.

before the fold 4, i was using a note 9 and a tablet as my daily drivers. i was holding off changing my phone until something really different came. i skipped on the first 3 folds and finally took the fold 4 as it met my requirements. with that, my perspective changed and i don't really see myself going back to a slab phone. i've no issues with the thickness or the weight. i'm not even bothered one bit with the crease. if anything, i'll upgrade to a fold 5 if the said rumors turn out to be true about it having a silo for the spen. if the fold 5 just comes out with say new cameras, it's a skip for me.

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$750 for Fold4 is a slap in the face! $500 even worse for S22 Ultra.
Apple cut trade in value too.
A form of shrinkflation, I suppose.
But it sucks.
Aside from a slightly faster chip and even more gimmicky camera (200MP, c'mon!), it's the same damn phone! Save your money.
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I think its a matter of price structure as well.
Fold 4 was launched at a $1800 price tag compared to S23U at $1200... when you take into account the launch prices, then obviously it doesn't make much sense for Samsung to offer you 1k for your Fold 4 and have you purchase S23U at $200.
And at this point, every smartphone upgrade will be minor improvements due to its reached nearly the ceiling of how much it can be tweaked.

Still waiting for 16MP f1.2 camera! ;-)

The S23 Ultra is tempting to me for two reasons. 1) you'll be able to buy a case for it that has a built in battery - something I loved about all my Note phones and 2) that 200mp camera. Not enough to make me switch though.

I'm getting the S23 Ultra but keeping the Fold 4 too.

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I can't trade in my fold 4 for at samsung. It's not listed here.
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I definitely had the option to trade in my Fold 4, only offered $800 for it but I don't use it so i decided to switch them out. I also have a pixel 7 pro....it was just too buggy for me and didn't have some features that I miss off my S22.

chetly968 said:
I definitely had the option to trade in my Fold 4, only offered $800 for it but I don't use it so i decided to switch them out. I also have a pixel 7 pro....it was just too buggy for me and didn't have some features that I miss off my S22.
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Just traded my S22 ultra for the fold last week to get more trade in credit. But here in the Netherlands it's not listed as trade in. I think I'll wait for the summer aa last year for a good trade in offer.

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I can't trade in my fold 4 for at samsung. It's not listed here.
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It's listed, you have to scroll all the way to the bottom

It was there this afternoon for a while but now it's gone. 440 euro's is not enough. Sell my fold seperatly. Or will wait.

Wait for Fold 5.
It will have better CPU and (of course!) it folds.
Also gone is the (multiple) trade in offer. I got rid of old ipad air 2s and they gave me $150 for one!

I'm actually considering ordering the S23 Ultra not because i don't like my Fold 4 it's great & it be a shame to let it go, it's just I recently passed my motorbike test & I haven't found anything suitable for the Fold 4 to fit to the handle bars, while keeping it completely protected & waterproof while still being useable with gloves.
With the S23 Ultra or any other candy bar phone for that matter there are tons of mounting options for motorbikes, plus being ip68 I can leave the phone to the elements with a screen protector on & have no ill effects other than if i drop the bike.
I have considered buying a cheap Chinese phone just for the motorbike , but having 2 sims or swapping my sim card every time i use the bike will leave people confused with having 2 numbers, or become a chore keep swapping sim card between phones every time i want to use my bike.

I think S23 line is last with snap for international version so yes worth it. Trade for f4 not for me.

I traded mine in. I only paid $550 or so for the fold 4, watch 5 44mm, spen and case. So $750 trade in is a win.
Love my fold, but I have a problem. LOL Cant pass up new tech...

For me, I think I'm sending my Fold 4 back and going for the S23 simply because of the cameras. It's a really tough decision because I utterly love the Fold 4. But as an amateur photographer, I'm struggling with the quality of the Fold 4's cameras. Even with Gcam, it's not much better. Stock main camera is very similar to Note 9.

Question Worth back to Fold 4 from S23U or wait to Fold 5?

Hi everyone.
I am still user Fold 2 from 2 years, before was N9>N20U. Previous year I bought S22U which from 7 months now my girlfriend have and I back to my Fold 2.
I was happy with him but want try again back to Note sereis with S23U.
This is great device, excellent battery life, cameras but from 7 days back to F2 for fun (still good power with S865+ and not bad battery life for me) and back again to S23U is hard. Foldable screen is great feature which I use with pleasure.
S pen use from time to time. I know about s pen and case for it to F4 but I don't have experience with convenience this solution - especially carry in jeans pocket this brick.
Now I don't know what will can do... Wait to 2024 after Fold 5 for good come on the market?
It's hard to me sell only 2 months old S23U.
Or maybe don't tired with s23u and replace it for F4?
F2 cover screen is narrow but F4 have little wider and easy use with one hand.
Maybe is here user above both devices and can advice me?

Wait, just in case.

Depends on your local price? I got the Fold4 three weeks ago. Not because I think it is the better device, but because I got it at 50% the price and I highly doubt the new stuff in Fold5 will make it worth double.

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Depends on your local price? I got the Fold4 three weeks ago. Not because I think it is the better device, but because I got it at 50% the price and I highly doubt the new stuff in Fold5 will make it worth double.
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In guarantee shops still almost 3/4 start price for new and 2/3 for outlet so still high in my country like Poland.
My fold 2 2 years ago bought for 55% start price for new.
So thanks for advice. Maybe when I found discount similar to situation with F2, then worth buy it but if not, so easy wait for coming to market F5

Yeah. And perhaps even check out the pixel fold being presented on wednesday? The wider front screen seems nice

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Yeah. And perhaps even check out the pixel fold being presented on wednesday? The wider front screen seems nice
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Yes, good proposal. Unfortunately Pixel fold mybe is intersting but it's not for me because this is first fold from pixel and like usually will be a lot of bugs in for example construction or software.
I need device for work so need rely in my device in every situation.
Moreover I very like samsung Ui, which is for me very intuitive. I had Pixel 4XL and after almost 2 years I don't get used clean android. My last clean was Nexus 4 (but I liked this) and next only Galaxy Note series for today.
In pixel fold front screen looks nice but interal have very thick frames and not look good.
And what most important in Poland pixel series isn't official accessible so are issues with purchase and respect guarantee.

We had issues with Nexus/Pixels not being here in Denmark officially too, for a very long time.
I have used iPhone since 2008, but have had Samsung mobiles at the same time too, ever since Note 1 was released. Didnt enjoy the tiny 3.5” of the iPhones and that is about the same reason I have a Fold now. Apple is just doing everything they can to save money, by selling antiquated hardware…
At some point Samsung decided that Denmark didnt need the Note series anymore, so I more or less stopped buying from them.
My number one issue with Fold4 is the narrow front screen, and that it for that reason unfolds to a square, instead of landscape. But very nice device, besides from that. And yes, I actually think they made the right choice with the cam underneeth the inner screen. Neither screen nor cam is perfect, but a good compromise.
Think you could be right, that first gen folding from Google could have issues. Good point.

I'll be honest. I had the zfold 4 and then tried out the S23U for a couple months. Only two things I loved were the camera setup and the screen size (quite different than the ZF4 outer screen), but overall, I went back to the ZF4 as it provides a better work tool I got quite used to the form factor and the inside display is a treat to use once you learn all the tricks

Thanks for replies. I like S23U, this is great device but overall is booring.
Fold series give me more fun and look difference compare to other devices.
Now I looking for good pricing F4 and still wait for F5.
I need for daily use 2 simcard and sometimes swap my private simcard to old F2 which still have.
I consider buy F3 because is for good price in my country but shapes, especially front screen are very similar to my F2. Only difference is S Pen support and this is too little

I have a F4. Im with Fold since F2. Meanwhile I have tried a couple of ..Pro and ...Ultra devices but like you said all they become boring to me for a couple of days in use. And more important - super uncomfortable because I carry my phone always in the pants pocket. For me the comfort of use is more important than all. Fold is a Transformer. Stage 1 - one hand super friendly. Stage 2 - mutimedia and multitasking beast like no other. I think I cant go back to a bar phone. I have tried with the bests on the market but no chance.

I have both the ZF4 and S23U. The S23U is totally boring next to the ZF4 other than the cameras (which is the only reason I have/keep the S23U). Also, the S23U is super wide and not comfortable to hold (if you have "normal" hands). Even though the S23U has the SD 8 Gen 2, you don't really notice the difference in day to day use. So, ZF4 remains my daily driver, I'm not planning to get the ZF5. If you can swing it, you'll probably be able to trade the S23U for a ZF5 at a great value. Otherwise, get a deeply discounted ZF4 and sell your S23U.