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Tom Tom + GPS Reciver for TYTN

Hi,
Thinking about getting a TYTN and never had GPS navigation before so a bit of a noob. Whats the best kit to get, I would need the software and a GPS reciever so whats best to get.
I have found this - http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php?xProd=142&xSec=8
Or is a bluetooth GPS receiver better? - http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php?xProd=154&xSec=8
If its agains the rules to link to those websites I will delete them.

If you get the TomTom software then get the TomTom receiver as well because it will work right out of the box. Setting up non-TomTom satellite receivers in TomTom is a real pain in the backside.

I had absolutely no problems setting up TomTom with Holux GPSlim236.
Just pair the gpsreceiver with the phone and assing it a com port,
then select the correct port in TomTom. Works like a charm.
TomTom will even enable blutooth by itself.

Holux GPSlim 236
Also using the Holux without any problems. Small device with good battery lifetime and fast fix. Buy a small GPS so you don't have to leave it in your car. Thieves like them now everyone is taking his mobile out and radios tend to be build in by the car manufacturer.
Also take a look at i-Go software instead of TomTom. More maps available for East Europe and many nice features. Very fast on a TyTN! Can be installed from SD card.
Or look out for the SD version of TT5. It's always handy to be able to install a fresh version from the SD card after a PDA crash when there is no PC near. All other versions need Activesync to install, which you probably won't habe able to do on a holiday trip!
pbw

TMC and Artemis

Anyone tried TMC Demo Program from Royaltek
http://www.royaltek.com/index.php/component/option,com_weblinks/task,view/catid,46/id,3/
or
GNS TrafficCompact from Dantotec
http://www.dantotec.de/shop/gns-trafficcompact-tmc-software-fuer-pocketpc-p-10808.html
it would be great to know the COM port of the internal FM radio (if it has a com port), or a possibility to get the rds data from the radio to a COM port, for use with TMC compatible software like Navigon.

Tried
I've tried it with the first program but it needs a com port and i don't thinkj the p3300 has linked its radio to a com port.

Maybe someone could try Route 66 in the newest version. It supports TMC via RDS (update on www.66.com) people in the Eten forum also said that TMC even with the new glofiish x500 doesn't work and that this is a problem with the navigation software that doesn't support those fmradio chipsets. but the newest route66 shold work. maybe we have to wait until navigon6 pda will be released, i think navigon will have support for the newest chipsets in their newest software. or try the route66 software.

1 question and i hope my head isnt took off here but wat is tmc?

Exec Man said:
1 question and i hope my head isnt took off here but wat is tmc?
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Traffic Message Channel, it provides information on accidents/ hold ups etc via FM radio.
I doubt this will work via the Artemis, the Route 66 web page does list a couple of suitable TMC units to work with the latest update, the biggest problem is the need to have the earphones plugged in to act as the aerial, couple this with poor reception (the audio plays well on strong stations, but drops out on weaker ones). The other problem I now have following the upgrade to the latest R66 is messed up menus, tech support later today! - Mike

Whether it is possible in Artemis to switch on TMC function?

Whether it is possible in Artemis to switch on TMC function? In it in fact is FM a tuner with RDS, and TMC the information is transferred through RDS.

For as far as I know, the P3300 does not have TMC. Unfortunately

You cannot use the inbuilt radio for TMC - it simply cannot perform this function, you can get TMC via GPRS and subscription to the service.
I did read some pre device release information that claimed the P3300 could do TMC via its internal radio, but I think the article was typical media hype (or more accuratly they didn't know what they were talking about).
The inbuilt radio will support RDS (which on the Arte gives basic channel names) - that is about the limit, if you want traffic information look at your options for GPRS connectivity and prices - Mike

RDS data IS accesible from applications - look at FM Radio application.
It means, that other application can access RDS data too - including TMC information.

Would you like to enlighten us how you get RDC TMC information from the in built Radio on the device? - Mike

What XCRIME means that similar Pdas with built in gps inc TMC works.
TMC (Traffic Message Channel) provides a anticipatory route optimization. TMC is a special application of the FM Radio Data System (RDS), constantly sending up-to-the-minute traffic information and weather data, that are being received by the TMC receiver. The navigation systems ( like Navigon MN5 )matches these data with your route within seconds. If there is congestion ahead, it automatically offers you an alternative route.( source the Navigon site)....
At the moment the Eten 500 & 500 with built in GPS & tmc module + supports tmc using the Destinator ot Route 66 navigation systems ( both support Royaltek–Protocol ) using the headphone as an antenna to recieve the tmc broadcasts.Only drawback is that you can only hear sound/ instructions via the head phone in this instance...
I expect that the Artemis will have an update to allow us to use this function.

Hello,
maybe it will work with one of those TMC adapters from GNS (e.g. GNS TrafficBox Universal maybe)?
GNS TMC adapter info
GNS TMC adapter shop
Anyone tried those?
Regards

Poseidon5150 said:
Hello,
maybe it will work with one of those TMC adapters from GNS (e.g. GNS TrafficBox Universal maybe)?
GNS TMC adapter info
GNS TMC adapter shop
Anyone tried those?
Regards
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Hi, and welcome...
The issue in this thread is how we can use the inbuilt FM RDS tuner on the P3300 to receive TMC, and use the information in for example Tomtom or some other navigation application.
Regards,
PK

paalkr said:
Hi, and welcome...
The issue in this thread is how we can use the inbuilt FM RDS tuner on the P3300 to receive TMC, and use the information in for example Tomtom or some other navigation application.
Regards,
PK
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Hi and thanks for the welcome. I understand the issue of this thread, I just thought it could be a workaround to get TMC to work until someone find a solution or a patch is released to use the internal radio for TMC.
I don't have one of those myself, just interested if someone already tested them with the Orbit/Artemis? Ok, maybe I will open a new thread on this later...
Regards

You can forget TMC in combination with TomTom. If I remember correctly TomTom uses it's own TMC network or something like that. In order to get the traffic information on your TomTom you need to use the service TomTom is offering, ofcourse they are going to let you pay for that service.
Mobile Navigator uses the normal TMC which comes with the standard RDS.
But for now it's not even possible to get that working. I personally doubt it will come availible, because if it would I think HTC had already mentioned it somehow.

TomTom use iTIS holdings for their traffic service, this information is broadcast over the Classic FM network within the UK (99.9 to 101.9FM - dependent upon location). Classic FM coverage isn't too good, low signal strength etc, couple that fact with the poor quality aerial supplied as part of the headphones with the Artemis and TMC (if it were possible) would simply never work IMHO - Mike

Isn´t there somebody with a P3300 who can contact HTC in order to ask whether RDS EON/TMC will come availible in the future?

@Bart1981: Why do you ask, if anybody could ask HTC?
Perhaps, YOU can ask?!

Realflo said:
@Bart1981: Why do you ask, if anybody could ask HTC?
Perhaps, YOU can ask?!
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Lol I tried but the mail returned to me with the awsner: Don't know what to do Seemed they missed some sort of number.
You can send an e-mail throughout the Support section, but then you need to fill in an IMEI number of your P3300, and guess what, I don't have a P3300
So that's the reason why I asked if somebody else could ask it for me. But if you have the right e-mail adres for me, I'll be happy to ask it for everybody on this forum

TMC on P3300 way to activate (worked with my Eten G500)
Hi,
The TMC function works with Route 66 Navigate 7 and some other soft.
If you really want TMC and don't want to pay for it, don't use tomtom, it's as simple as that, it's only a paid gprs connection.
Route 66 is as good as tomtom (only street selection is not so user friendly) and it has a free TMC function.
Just plug in the earphones (=tmc antenna built in!) otherwise it won't work. Scan the FM radio for the RDS posts and normally you get some texts after a while about traffic jams, accidents, .... interesting!
It worked with my Eten G500, still have to test it on the P3300, but this is the way of working. If it doesn't work, you probably need the newest firmware upgrade, found on the ftp of xda developpers.
If you don't want to use the earphones as antenna, you can get a 'wurfel' antenna on ebay from Germany, from 3.5mm jack to small antenna. I hope they are developping a carcharger with TMC antenna, like you can find allready on ebay from other brands like garmin, though it's expensive, about €70
Cheers,
Innovator

I use Route 66 on my unit but I have only ever obtained TMC via GPRS are you sure yours is actually using the radio? - try turning off the phone and see if it still receives data - Mike

Innovator said:
Hi,
If you don't want to use the earphones as antenna, you can get a 'wurfel' antenna on ebay from Germany, from 3.5mm jack to small antenna. I hope they are developping a carcharger with TMC antenna, like you can find allready on ebay from other brands like garmin, though it's expensive, about €70
Cheers,
Innovator
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Can you post a link for that antenna ? Cause i'm looking for something like that.
Thanx

Is anybody tried the tmc function?

TMC on Artemis/P3300
Any news on trying to get TMC on Artemis/P3300?
// Patrik

RoyalDemoTMC
i have come over this software from ETEN all work on my Artemis but not the TMC mabe some one can work it out to work

How many Bluetooth connections?

I'm awaiting my new Skoda Octavia Scout the next days, cause the Factory BT Handsfree from Cullmann was unable to get a stable connection to my Hero/ Artemis i cancelled it and plan to use a Funkwerk Dabendorf ego Flash.
But there will be a possibility to use TMC on an Hero/ Artemis to via an BT TMC reciever from gns soon (for the german speaking guys in here: http://www.pocketnavigation.de/news/view_1005/1.1.10.html) which i would like to use, too.
Edit: GNS TrafficBox FM9BT RDS TMC Receiver with Bluetooth
Optimizes TMC reception by connecting to the vehicle’s radio antenna
Designed for reception of digital traffic information via TMC
Allows dynamic navigation with suitable navigation software
Data transmission via Bluetooth
Alternatively with DIN / ISO or FAKRA plug
Power supply 3.3–14 V
So my question is: can the Artemis/ Hero (t-mobile branded) handle 2 BT connections at a time (Handsfree und TMC or TMC/GPS mouse?).
Thanks, Flocky

I currently have a Wizard and quite often have my BT GPS unit and my BT Headset connected and both work fine together, so I see no reason for the Artemis to be different, or at least I hope that is that case as I will be getting one next moth as I can't afford a Kaiser.

TMC and/or MSND services for Trinity

Hi everyone.
I have been doing an excessive reading looking for a way to have traffic info on Trinity, besides Google maps. Both iGO and TomTom provide TMC related navigation, and igo supports MSN direct as well. The problem is our Trinity lacks FM receiver for the service.
TomTom offers TMC over GRPS services. It is offered only in Europe (I am in the US) and the service in California for TomTom is, how to say it, 'not accurate' .
So I am with iGO8 and I am pretty happy with it. Now I am looking into a solution for TMC or MSND. Yes, I saw the GNS solution of adding a FM receiver and sending the signal over blue tooth, but it isn't going to work for me, as I can't add it between my radio and the antenna unless I pay some major $$$ to an Audi to do it (or lose warranty...). There will be an external unit in Q1/09 but what i am really into is to have the service emulated by code. Did any of you have found a TMC or MSND service through GPRS service? I am looking into a paid service (sure, free would be better) like MSND offers, but I have the hardware obstacle to pass...
Ah, one more thing- never tried to connect a BT device to a COM port, and have hands free at the same time... I would like to find out if this is working or not, as I suspect the BT gateway on Trinity may have hard time with it while on call. Not that I care if TMC/MSND flow will stop while on a call if it resumes automatically after..
Thanks in advance.

BigE said:
Hi everyone.
I have been doing an excessive reading looking for a way to have traffic info on Trinity, besides Google maps. Both iGO and TomTom provide TMC related navigation, and igo supports MSN direct as well. The problem is our Trinity lacks FM receiver for the service.
TomTom offers TMC over GRPS services. It is offered only in Europe (I am in the US) and the service in California for TomTom is, how to say it, 'not accurate' .
So I am with iGO8 and I am pretty happy with it. Now I am looking into a solution for TMC or MSND. Yes, I saw the GNS solution of adding a FM receiver and sending the signal over blue tooth, but it isn't going to work for me, as I can't add it between my radio and the antenna unless I pay some major $$$ to an Audi to do it (or lose warranty...). There will be an external unit in Q1/09 but what i am really into is to have the service emulated by code. Did any of you have found a TMC or MSND service through GPRS service? I am looking into a paid service (sure, free would be better) like MSND offers, but I have the hardware obstacle to pass...
Ah, one more thing- never tried to connect a BT device to a COM port, and have hands free at the same time... I would like to find out if this is working or not, as I suspect the BT gateway on Trinity may have hard time with it while on call. Not that I care if TMC/MSND flow will stop while on a call if it resumes automatically after..
Thanks in advance.
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You can buy a Bluetooth Gps mouse with tmc so it would be the best for you. I think.

Well, adding any hardware to an 'all in one' device is kind of defeating the purpose. I am specifically seeking a software solution, emulation, a signal over GPRS kind of solution. It seems there isn't one and I wonder why. After all, at least for MSND, it sounds kind of logical. BTW - XM radio has the MSND signal embedded, but again, no clue how to communicate it to the trinity...
So adding hardware isn't a great one, but thanks of the offer. I have considered it before posting and turned it down. I'd like a phone in the pocket without running wires, battery operated devices, etc. I may be dreaming, but hey, even the new diamond , touch HD and fuze suffer the same problem, I think. I know the Diamond has FM radio, but still no TMC or MSND...

Hey Man ,
I've installed the GNS module in my Audi A3
realy easy so you should be able to do so. maybe explore that option some more.
GreetZ

Which GNS module?
The more I look for a solution, the more I am convinced a TMC over bluetooth is the solution... The only thing is I have no clue which is the right one to buy...
Neo-morpheus, assuming we have the same connections needed, what was the one you have purchased from GNS?

Hi there, i have just purchased the GNS 5870 Bluetooth TMC, although its for my touch HD i will let you know the progress.
BTW i never found any other way with any software to connect TMC through the radio, it just doesn't work at present. Some say it recognise's through IGO8 but does not connect
Hope this helps

Argh ... looking for the GNS 5870 for a while ... could you tell me where you bought it ?

GNS trafficBox FM9 and trinity
Hi folks,
OK, listened to the advice on this thread, i have purchased a TMC reciever from GNS. I have a Trinity (WM6.1) phone and I use iGO8 R3.
Setting up the TMC receiver in iGO returns only one thing- TMC hardware not found. There are 3 variables (can be auto or manually set): TMC protocol, COM port, and Baud rate.
I am in the USA (California to be exact). Is there a way to make it work? Even if there isn't a TMC signal, why does the phone claims no hardware found?
BigE

Well, I think that the first thing you have to do is to establish a "connection" between your PDA and your Bluetooth TMC receiver. From your PDA:
- start/parameters
- choose the connexion tab
- start the bluetooth application
- switch on your TMC receiver,
- select "add a new machine" (don't known the exact wording, I've got WM 6.1 French version),
- when recognized, select your TM receiver and then click next
- enter the authentication code (if requested ... usually, it is as simple as 0000 ... should be part of your TMC receiver documentation),
- after that, you should associate a port number to your bluetooth TMC receiver (don't remeber exactly how to do that but this should be done from this application ... anyway: google is your friend )
After that, start iGO8 and move to the TMC configuration page. If the automatic detection does not work then:
- select GNS,
- select the port number you have just chosen
- select a bitrate (or keep "auto" ...)
And that should work
@+
JBM

BigE said:
Hi folks,
OK, listened to the advice on this thread, i have purchased a TMC reciever from GNS. I have a Trinity (WM6.1) phone and I use iGO8 R3.
Setting up the TMC receiver in iGO returns only one thing- TMC hardware not found. There are 3 variables (can be auto or manually set): TMC protocol, COM port, and Baud rate.
I am in the USA (California to be exact). Is there a way to make it work? Even if there isn't a TMC signal, why does the phone claims no hardware found?
BigE
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jbm31 said:
Well, I think that the first thing you have to do is to establish a "connection" between your PDA and your Bluetooth TMC receiver. From your PDA:
- start/parameters
- choose the connexion tab
- start the bluetooth application
- switch on your TMC receiver,
- select "add a new machine" (don't known the exact wording, I've got WM 6.1 French version),
- when recognized, select your TM receiver and then click next
- enter the authentication code (if requested ... usually, it is as simple as 0000 ... should be part of your TMC receiver documentation),
- after that, you should associate a port number to your bluetooth TMC receiver (don't remeber exactly how to do that but this should be done from this application ... anyway: google is your friend )
After that, start iGO8 and move to the TMC configuration page. If the automatic detection does not work then:
- select GNS,
- select the port number you have just chosen
- select a bitrate (or keep "auto" ...)
And that should work
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JBM
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Looking to do the same thing with my ATT Fuze and HTC Advantage. I'm using IGO8 R3 and have my eye on the GNS 5870.
BigE, JBM can you confirm this working and comment on any issues? Could you post any pictures, video or screen shots?
Thanks

not sure that GNS 5870 is already available (mass production: Q1-2009). I used to use a Royaltek TMC+GPS receiver with IGO8-R1 but this one is now out of order now.

Gns bt gps+tmc
datruth ,
Can't confirm, as I did not buy it. I don't see a reason to spend 120 Euro, plus shipping (another $25) . The trinity (and the Fuze) have built in GPS, and i hate carrying two devices instead of one. if I was going to have a GPS external, i wouldn't bother buying a device with GPS..
I tried having TMC only added. With the serial port solution i failes, as it sems most HTC devices do not host the serial port (hence both the GNS device and the phone are clients) . GNS tech support offered my to send it back. i did not make up my mind yet what I am going to do. In the meantime i am trying Zeno's serial port host driver as the trinity supposes to ahve the hardware for it, but it looks like client and host have different wiring to the USB connector, as it still does not work. GNS claims only BT is the solution. I was too busy to take it on, so in the meantime, all I can confirm is serial port will not work for most of us.

correction: GNS 5870 available since Feb 2009. Waiting for mine (delivery in progress).

Is TMC a free service in the US?
I read on another site that even if I had a compatible TMC receiver for my HTC Advantage running iGo8 I would still need a subscription to get traffic updates. Is this true? Has anyone been able to get traffic working at all in the US.
I was under the assumption that the TMC service was similer to GPS. It's broadcast everywhere and you just need a receiver to take advantage of the service. Am I wrong in my thinking?
This is a reply I just received from the company GNS.
thank you for your inquiry. Yes, the GNS GPS-RDS/TMC-Receiver 5870 (see: http://www.gns-gmbh.com/shop/xtc/pr...DS-TMC-Receiver-Bluetooth-32-channel-GPS.html ) works also with the navigation software iGO8 and HTC Advantage 7500. But you can use the GNS TrafficBoxPlus-FM9BT-Y (see: http://www.gns-gmbh.com/shop/xtc/index.php?language=en& ) as external Bluetooth TMC-receiver, which is less expencive then the GNS receiver 5870.
PS: Please check if your navigation software (and maps) supports the american TMC service.
Best regards
Gerd Sept

How many BT can work simultaniously?
I wonder if I am purchasing the BT device and pair it to my phone, can the HTC device handle both TMC signal and a BT headset at the same time?
From GNS I was told the USB version I have will not work with Trinity because the USB is a client and not host on most phones. I tried installing Zeno's usb to serial and it does not work on my phone. I still can not identify TMC hardware.
As for iGO and American TMC, I guess the folks writing iGO took care of it, as they support so many different protocols, there is no reason for them not to identify the American TMC.
And if there is a paid service? Not that I know who offers it in the US. I assume it is off air and all it takes is a receiver, but since I did not have any success connecting, it is just a guess.
BigE