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Hi,
I know this is early, but like most of you I'm burning to get the new ROM update tomorrow (kyphur you da man). So, of course I want to get all my ducks in a row so that tomorrow's update can be as painless and quick as possible.
The question I am asking with this thread pertains to backup. Changing from WM5 to WM6 was pain because I lost all my voice tags and sms's, mms's etc. It was a pain willingly carried because of the awesomeness of the new ROM, but one that I'd like to avoid this time round all the same.
Now, theoretically a WM6 backup should install without problems to a new WM6 install. However, there are indications that a different base ROM is to be used for WMXL 0.20. Will a simple backup work this time round?
Comments, thoughts, recommendations, more questions?
the short answer is no.
reason, you will overwrite all system files in the windows directory (which includes all the registry keys/values). Therefore you will run into problem.
Best thing to do is to reinstall all your apps, operator settings etc and sync your device to get your contacts, emails, tasks notes etc back on your wmxl0.2 install.
Cheers,
.VIBE said:
Hi,
I know this is early, but like most of you I'm burning to get the new ROM update tomorrow (kyphur you da man). So, of course I want to get all my ducks in a row so that tomorrow's update can be as painless and quick as possible.
The question I am asking with this thread pertains to backup. Changing from WM5 to WM6 was pain because I lost all my voice tags and sms's, mms's etc. It was a pain willingly carried because of the awesomeness of the new ROM, but one that I'd like to avoid this time round all the same.
Now, theoretically a WM6 backup should install without problems to a new WM6 install. However, there are indications that a different base ROM is to be used for WMXL 0.20. Will a simple backup work this time round?
Comments, thoughts, recommendations, more questions?
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I think this is not entirely true. You could easily restore your contacts/mail/etc. Most system files will not be overwritten as they are in ROM. Just make sure you ain't restoring files mentioned before by jasjamming.
The tricky part is registry. What I'm going to do is making a diff file between the original registry and the one I have now. Then I'll simply apply changes. I know it may not work, but it's worth trying.
Hmm. That's unfortunate. The biggest problem for me is always the voice tags. They take ages to set up.
I've a problem too
Can WModem work in WM6? Since the ICS feature is not bluetooth ready yet even in WMXL 0.2... I miss such feature, as I can be using my notebook searching for answer first instead of asking directly via my Herems -> VNC -> Windows -> Firefox (where my forum password is saved)...
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Can WModem work in WM6? Since the ICS feature is not bluetooth ready yet even in WMXL 0.2..QUOTE]
Really i use ICS via bluetooth (and usb) daily with v0.1, works a treat!
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Cyberon Voice Cammander voicetag backup/restore
.VIBE said:
Hmm. That's unfortunate. The biggest problem for me is always the voice tags. They take ages to set up.
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Is it Cyberon voice tag ? Google and get this utility to backup/restore voicetag database via activesync, but I haven't try it. (readme.txt attached)
http://translate.google.com/transla...h?q=vsddb&hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2007-03,GGLJ:en
Let me know the result if you gonna try it (if your's vc is cyberon ver1.2 and below)
Nope, don't mean VC. I'm talking about the contacts voice tags.
What I am doing is reloading the apps that are on today screen or that I leave in memory when switching the device off as they need to be in main memory or extended memory to avoid the card not present issue during power up and for the rest I go into HKCU and HKLM and selectively save the keys in the Software directory. This includes the shareware key for SW registration.
I am using vmenu and saving its related registry to access the other program straight from the card so I do not have to recreate shortcuts.
I save all the registery tweaks in individual file to apply them as needed.
Yeah, that's a bummer, but I have a feeling it'll be worth it!
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Nope, don't mean VC. I'm talking about the contacts voice tags.
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I don't know these voice tags, but stupid question: would synchronizing with a PC not save all contact details, including these tags (if they are part of the contact's details)? If this is so, then you could easily restore them be synchronizing again, after the upgrade.
Cheers
Daniel
I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're talking about. AFIK Cyberon Voice Dialer is what uses those "Voice Tags". Without Cyberon there is no "Voice Tag" mechanism in WM.
This is why I personally prefer MS Voice Command or even Cyberon Voice Commander (both retail products), they are true voice recognition programs not voice tag comparison programs.
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Nope, don't mean VC. I'm talking about the contacts voice tags.
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Another question re the upgrade to wm6 ... I am currently on Cingular's 2.06 ROM, and will go to XDA 0.2 as soon as I can. My 8525 is not super cid.
My question ... can someone give me perspective as to whether I should go to super cid before upgrading? I know I don't have to be super cid for the upgrade to work ... but is there a compelling reason why I might want to super cid my device? (I am not ever going to be a sophisticated ROM cooker ... rather someone who upgrades to ROMs cooked by other folks).
Not really.
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Another question re the upgrade to wm6 ... I am currently on Cingular's 2.06 ROM, and will go to XDA 0.2 as soon as I can. My 8525 is not super cid.
My question ... can someone give me perspective as to whether I should go to super cid before upgrading? I know I don't have to be super cid for the upgrade to work ... but is there a compelling reason why I might want to super cid my device? (I am not ever going to be a sophisticated ROM cooker ... rather someone who upgrades to ROMs cooked by other folks).
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Super CID will allow you to use Ext memory as storage memory which comes handy when you need to load all today's apps in memory to avoid the card power-up issue.
Opps, forgot about the Extended Rom. But then how many today plug-ins can one use?
Personally I always run my today plug-ins and MS Voice Command in main memory then everything else goes to the storage card.
Kikouyou said:
Super CID will allow you to use Ext memory as storage memory which comes handy when you need to load all today's apps in memory to avoid the card power-up issue.
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Forget Voice Tags use MS Voice command 1.6...it's BRILLIANT. The leader earlier, was Fonix...Now MS has stepped up to the plate...and its a Home Run.
Trini
I agree MS VC is amazing...it works nearly every time. It is my primary control while driving.
Hi, I meant Cyberon. Guess I'll have to splash out for VC 1.6
To clear things up, there are three major "Voice" programs:
Microsoft Voice Command
Cyberon Voice Commander
Cyberon Voice Dialer
Cyberon Voice Dialer is the one that uses voice tags. BTW, it is the one usually embedded in Carrier Roms thus it is the only free (legally) one.
Cyberon Voice Commander has some functions that MS Voice Command doesn't (it can read full e-mails for example) but the "Say Command" prompt gets annoying after a while and it isn't as good at recgonition as the MS Product.
With v1.6 Microsoft has finally brought a complete product to the table. Unfortunately there are BT issues with our Hermes.
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Hi, I meant Cyberon. Guess I'll have to splash out for VC 1.6
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Hi,
Just changed my wizard for a Herme and getting myself onto the rom flash ladder here.
I cant see any roms with voice command 6 in, are there any or is there a cab I can just run?
Also can anyone recommend what radio version to use on aN Orange UK phone, just that Im on 1.38 at the moment and the reception so far is not as good as my wizard.
Sorry one other thing how do I find the IPL / SPL on this phone andwhich ones do you recommend?#
Thanks,
Dave.
try black 3.0.1
Just to be clear, some of the ROMs have Cyberon Voice Commander. None of them have MS Voice Command (nor should they, because it would be blatant stealing).
davidlucas said:
Hi,
Just changed my wizard for a Herme and getting myself onto the rom flash ladder here.
I cant see any roms with voice command 6 in, are there any or is there a cab I can just run?
Also can anyone recommend what radio version to use on aN Orange UK phone, just that Im on 1.38 at the moment and the reception so far is not as good as my wizard.
Sorry one other thing how do I find the IPL / SPL on this phone andwhich ones do you recommend?#
Thanks,
Dave.
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The black Roms include cyberon voice commander as and add-on download. It does the same as VC. Vc is not included because it's is a retail product.
for IPl/SPL, Go to the Hermes upgrading thread and check out Olipro's Hard-SPL. It install the latest IPL and the best SPL.
Thanks for the info guys.
Just installed the OLi Pro so hopefully thats now up to date.
Is the Cyberon as good as Voice commander do you know?
Then its a case of working out which rom to flash.
I'm running Faria's 3.3 on my old wizard and thats great, lots of utilities etc.
Now to work out which one for the Herme, any recommendations?
Cheers,
DAve.
davidlucas said:
Thanks for the info guys.
Just installed the OLi Pro so hopefully thats now up to date.
Is the Cyberon as good as Voice commander do you know?
Then its a case of working out which rom to flash.
I'm running Faria's 3.3 on my old wizard and thats great, lots of utilities etc.
Now to work out which one for the Herme, any recommendations?
Cheers,
DAve.
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IMHO Cyberon VC is in no way any comparision to MS VC..
Now maybe if you have never used MS VC then you would be okay using Cyberon but again just my opinion..
Couldn't say it better... If you like MS Voice Command and want it in your rom you're gonna have to cook your own personal rom.
MS VoiceCommand does have its issues (which the smart people on this board have found workarounds to), but it is lightyears ahead of Cyberon VoiceCommander.
For me the biggest difference is the fact that with Cyberon you need to create/maintain a library of "voice tags," which not only is a PITA, but it also means you can't hand your phone to somebody else and let them use voice commands.
MSVC is definitely the way to go, and IMHO t's worth every penny... I just wish it didn't hog so much RAM!
The full Cyberon thats available actually doesn't use voice tags but its still no comparision to MS VC..
thanks again for the replies.
Not having the voicetags was what I liked about vc, also that factthat while i'm driving it reads my messages.
I say "word" to all of the people speaking for VC. It is the best 40 bucks I've spent for my phone, period.
Agreed I just love the program..
I couldn't even imagine voice tagging 20+ contacts, heck even 10+ voice tags would be a pain.
Has anyone actually used ms vc and cyberon vc? Because I have been tempted to get ms vc but $40 ..... Cyberon is free and I have never had to make a voice tag, it reads my sms and email. It is tricky at times it dose not seem to like my bland California accent... I have on more than one occasion goten very frustrated with it. It seems predictive in its ability to let me down just when I need it, or want to show off my fancy phone. Is M$ really that much better? If someone that has used the full Cyberon voice comander and voice dial could tell me what about MS VC is worth the money. Thanks
Ive had MS Voice Commander for many years and loved it. I've also put up with the pain of hacking the registry everytime I flash a ROM. But with the latest WM6 ROMS I just couldn't be bothered with all the ahstle of those tweaks to only get half of the functions - like may I never managed to get the headset to ring or announce calls and as v1.6 was initially US anyway I decided to give Cyberon a try and do you know? It's great to have something that works straight away with NO tweaks at all. I have found that the voice recognition is just as good as MS VC without creating tags. The accent took a little getting used to for me but I can live with it. It doesnt appear to play media quite as well without voice tags as you have to request just the name of the track (if it begins with 01 on the tracklisting that can be quite confusing!!!). Reading emails is a bit clumsy as it reads headers and other useless bits f info you dont want to hear.
But most of all I like Cyberon because it requires no tweaks with my headsets AND as well as fairly comparable voice recognition for contacts and dialling it ALSO allows you to tag as well if you wish so you win both ways!!!
Just my two penny's worth.
Thank you so much for that responce. I would have been very disaponted to spend that kind of money and get the same or similar functionalty.
Hi all,
I tried skype mobile version on my trinity, i see my contacts and they are able to call me to. but wenn i try to answers the call the phone keeps ringing. I search this forum but see a lot of thing for wm6. I want to stay on WM5 untill WM6 rom works 100 %. I went to skype to see the P3600 is supported en it seem the processor's not ? How can i get this to work ? I don't need skype any other voip program is good. The only thing i need is when at home i'd like to change or add a profile so i could call my home when i'm not in my country. Maybe some answers are abouvious for some guy of you but sorry i'm kind of new with this stuff.
tnx
I tried skype as well, when we where using cooked roms for wm5 and it worked fine.
Another program that also worked fine is SJ phone, but I don;t know any good internet voip servers
I can install SKYPE 2.2 on my Dopod D810. Once I try to login, everything alright, but it get restart when accepting any incoming call.
Skype chat ok. Calls do not work
I finally installed skype on my SPV M700, but it cannot make/receive calls.
Can anyone help?
Thanks
Raffavito
I read somewhere that skype 2.2 does not support calling functions... what you need is skype2.2 beta... I guess you would need to search for that....cos I can't remember where I found it... the problem I have is that I can't seem to run that cab file under mun's rom. it says application not found for cab... anybody can help on that? is there a zip application I need to install or something?
Skype 2.0 works on trinity WM5
Hi
I had the same problems with the last version of Skype.
I found on Emule the version Skype Mobile v2.0.0.51 and it works ok.
If you need it send me an e-mail to raveiga32 at gmail dot com and I will send you this version.
Good luck
Try this one:
http://rapidshare.com/files/37248486/SkypeForPocketPC_Beta.CAB.html
It's 2.2.0.18 beta but everything seems to be working fine.
Download link for Skype for Pocket PC version 2.2.0.20.2 Beta is provided at the end of this post. I believe it should work fine for both WM5 and WM6 Trinity ROMs. I say this because it was clearly intended for WM5 but works fine with WM6. At this point I believe this is the most recent version they listed and offered specifically for the P3600.
Those are some curious issues being described! To be honest I had never been the biggest fan of Skype (some disappointing results in the past, plus the lack of outgoing Caller ID - which is finally being partly remedied). I have always prefered SIP for VoIP due to the potential for superior call quality, faxing and many other features that are possible. But the snag has always been that it is hard for SIP to get past blocked ports, firewalls and NAT, unless you have direct admin access to those things. The strength of Skype is that it will simply revert to using TCP web ports if needed so it will always work almost anywhere, even if it sounds awful at times!
All that said, I have found Skype it to be finally working really very well over WiFi on the LVSW 2.0.1.1. WM6 ROM for Trinity. But the version I am using is no longer provided for public download.
My Skype version 2.2.0.20.2 Beta.
When it was available as public download from Skype (really quite recently) it was clearly listed as the right version for the P3600. I notice that it has now been replaced with release version 2.2.0.36 and the nearest compatible phone shown is the P4350.
It seem old versions of Skype can be downloaded from their Developer Zone but it is necessary to sign a Non-disclosure agreement first to get at the old versions. Seems a little over the top if all that is desired is a previous Skype build. I don't want to know their secrets, just be able to get at an older version!
WiFi works great. 3G.... don't bother trying (in my opinion). Doesn't have the Skype to SMS feature but otherwise seems very functional and completely stable.
I hope this is helpful.
Here is a link for a download of the Skype for Pocket PC 2.2.0,20.2 Beta.
http://rapidshare.com/files/37978278/SkypeForPocketPC_2_2_0_20-2_Beta.CAB.html
Edit: BTW I find it works best with echo cancellation on and when used with the headset because otherwise sound comes out of the rear loudspeaker, not the phone speaker.
Would it be possible with the member who has the 2.2.0.51 beta to please put it on Rapidshare or elsewhere so people can get at it easily please? It would be great if we can figure out exactly which build seems best for the Trinity... might be different for WM5 and WM6 but I suspect the odds are it will be one of these two builds. All the best
Scratch that last bit. I misread the post. It was the 2.0.0.51 beta previously mentioned... older than mine not newer. Sorry for my mistake. My guess is that the 2.2.0.20.2 Beta I have linked above is probably going to be best. Good luck!
Sorry to bump the post. Did some research.... well more like just a lot of reading on the Skype website! The current official Skype Mobile Gold Release 2.2 (non-beta) has a list of phones which are now ONLY supported for text chat.
I am both surprised and dsisapointed to say that BOTH the Trinity and TyTN are specially listed as now being only capable of text chat.
The last Beta version of 2.2. (Skype for Pocket PC 2.2.0,20.2 Beta) as linked in thre post above, did specifially list the Trinity and TyTN as support for calling. The trinity works wll with that version over WiFi.
So download it, back it up and hang on to it real tight!
Any download problems, please post and I will be happy to upload it again elsewhere. While I do feel very sure this one should be best for WM5 and WM6do please post feedback if that is not the case so we will all the exact sitituation.
Many thanks.
Thank you for the useful info. Using the link you gave,I downloaded the older version of Skype 2.2 to use on my HTC TyTN but it has no exe file and I do not know how to proceed from here. Could you please help.
Just to test the water, I sent an e-mail to Skype asking for the older version but they refused, saying that I should try to get it from some third party !!!!
I am a new member to the forum and am not sure how to operate but I have saved the page as a favourite and hope I can get your reply. Thanks
brianmac said:
Thank you for the useful info. Using the link you gave,I downloaded the older version of Skype 2.2 to use on my HTC TyTN but it has no exe file and I do not know how to proceed from here. Could you please help.
Just to test the water, I sent an e-mail to Skype asking for the older version but they refused, saying that I should try to get it from some third party !!!!
I am a new member to the forum and am not sure how to operate but I have saved the page as a favourite and hope I can get your reply. Thanks
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The linked file... here it is again
http://rapidshare.com/files/37978278/SkypeForPocketPC_2_2_0_20-2_Beta.CAB.html
is not a desktop .exe file. It is a .cab file. Connect your device to your computer then use the Explorer Pocket PC option (may be called something abit different) in ActiveSync or Mobile Manager to move the file onto to your phone. The file has to be moved onto the phone then installed there. You use the File Manager program on the phone to locate it and then double click in it to install.
The phone will see the cab file as installable. To your desktop computer it will appear to be an uninstallable archive only.
In short it is on-device installable only. It is not installed directly from your desktop computer.
Hope this helps
Skype 2.2 on DOPOD 838Pro is CRASHING
After upgrading from Skype WM 2.1 to 2.2, I managed to sign-in but noticed my skype-out account was not recognized (no credits were shown) nor did I succeed to make the echo call. Skype just crashed! When I followed the link to activate my skype-out, I got a "page not found" message!. Since I knew I had credits available, I then tried to call using the dial and it crashed as well! This is serious as I had install an old version 2.0.0.39 because my previous version 2.1 was overwritten by the new executable that I downloaded!
BEWARE OF INSTALLATION ON ANY HERMES100 DEVICE
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After upgrading from Skype WM 2.1 to 2.2, I managed to sign-in but noticed my skype-out account was not recognized (no credits were shown) nor did I succeed to make the echo call. Skype just crashed! When I followed the link to activate my skype-out, I got a "page not found" message!. Since I knew I had credits available, I then tried to call using the dial and it crashed as well! This is serious as I had install an old version 2.0.0.39 because my previous version 2.1 was overwritten by the new executable that I downloaded!
BEWARE OF INSTALLATION ON ANY HERMES100 DEVICE
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Sounds very frustrating. Please would you share exactly which version works for you and which caused the big problems? Any numbers involved after 2.1 and 2.2 and is this beta or release versions? Clearly this is tricky stuff, so the more exact info we can share the more it may help people. Perhaps we should also try to track the exact ROM version of our phones which work and don't with Skype versions so we can kind of build a little knowledge base for ourselves.
Also, was this over WiFi or 3G? I am wondering if the Page not found could be a DNS issue occuring which may be complicating factor.
Good luck!
p3600 or p4350 for best skype experience
whats the best phone for a better skype experience?
tapan
firiel said:
I tried skype as well, when we where using cooked roms for wm5 and it worked fine.
Another program that also worked fine is SJ phone, but I don;t know any good internet voip servers
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Hi.
I use www.voipcheap.com as my voip provider and to me it rocks,I call Spain and other countries in Europe for a really nice rate and I live in USA.
Take a look at some destinations,because it´s free.
You can also use www.voipstunt.com and www.voipbuster.com, but like I said voipcheap works great.
Bye guys.
Hello guys
I'll be the first to admit this is a newbie question, but I don't have the energy to try every ROM and every SIP solution, can someone recommend a WM6 SIP solution thats working for them, ideally I want to use the built in WM6 SIP system as an additional app is just a bit clumsy.
Cheers, this information is invaluable for a lot of people I imagine, I want to go install AX3Ls but it mentions it doens't do SIP.
Thanks again
Ed
With a 30 secs search, you would have found (among others) this, for the native SIP capabiliy:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316853&highlight=shaps
For an external, more complete and stable application, try Sjphone -> google
riri22 said:
With a 30 secs search, you would have found (among others) this, for the native SIP capabiliy:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316853&highlight=shaps
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This is just a voip config tool, package is missing over there.
And even if this guy is at his first post, his question is a good question and I can not answer: I don't know any rom for trinity with a serious voip capability.
Ciao
Is the VOIP support built into every build of WM6 then? You just need to install a cab and config tool to get it up and running?
I'd really like to here peoples experiences, I'm not aiming for anything to adventurous just want it to hook up to a voip service when it sees my wifi.
Cheers
Ed
edpgc said:
Is the VOIP support built into every build of WM6 then? You just need to install a cab and config tool to get it up and running?
I'd really like to here peoples experiences, I'm not aiming for anything to adventurous just want it to hook up to a voip service when it sees my wifi.
Cheers
Ed
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You can find a post full of reply here with a lot of information...
I'm still using fring for voip calls because with trinity and wm6 there is a problem with a driver. But some people say voip is fully functional for them.. but as to me they don't really use it.
Voip support in built into wm6, but OEM have to provide their drivers and dopod didn't released it.
Ciao
claros said:
This is just a voip config tool, package is missing over there.
And even if this guy is at his first post, his question is a good question and I can not answer: I don't know any rom for trinity with a serious voip capability.
Ciao
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The package of dll etc. is already present on wm6. Most of the people who dont see it is because they haven't activated their explorer to see all files. But if you think it's necessary for some ROM, not the Dopod one I can confirm, the wm6VoIP.cab package is everywhere on the forum...
Nobody said his question was bad or wrong, I just said that a universal config tool and feature package was available on the forum, and findable after a quick search.
As far as which ROM is best for VoIP, I think nobody has tried the hundred of ROM available to give an objective and comprehensive answer.
As far as I am concerned, I tried VoIP on only one ROM, the dopod one. It works not too bad, but just as a complementary feature as he said himself.
Third party's sofware with all the complete package and optimisation will always works better. That's why I suggested Sjphone...
Anything wrong with me answering that?
I'm using fring as well at the moment. It's pretty cool. Works with skype too!
I've heard that Fring wasn't working on Trinity, due to mic problems.
Can you confirm that the other person can hear you well, when calling landlines with Fring?
(using Fring SIP features)
riri22 said:
The package of dll etc. is already present on wm6. Most of the people who dont see it is because they haven't activated their explorer to see all files. But if you think it's necessary for some ROM, not the Dopod one I can confirm, the wm6VoIP.cab package is everywhere on the forum...
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Hum...
I never use explorer.... Actually I don't have an official dopod rom but I can do a search on all the files on the extracted rom. Please have a look at the attachment.
Ciao
never heard of fring until now, its very neat, a bit cosmetically confused, but should be a very neat solution!
claros said:
Hum...
I never use explorer.... Actually I don't have an official dopod rom but I can find a search on all the included files on the extracted rom. Please have a look at the attachment
Ciao
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Yeah, I see that. But all I can say is that, once installed, when I browse the windows main directory, I can find all the files listed as necessary for the native SIP feature to work.
ipdialplan.xml
dnsapi.dll
voipphonecanvas.dll
rtcdll.dll
Dopod SEA inside
But that's not the point anyway, as I said, there are something like 10 differents threads that includes the pack wm6voip.cab for those who don't have the sip files natively. And it's findable with a 30 secs search...
But u'll need also the configuration tool to set up your sip account.
riri22 said:
I've heard that Fring wasn't working on Trinity, due to mic problems.
Can you confirm that the other person can hear you well, when calling landlines with Fring?
(using Fring SIP features)
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It is still a beta I think but seem to work, even if it is very slow especially if you have a lot of contacts to import. But sjphone doesn't have this feature.
Both (fring and sjphone) lacks of dialplan and number rewriting rules.
I think you have installed vm6voip in your dopod, so you can find voip files. If we had a really working rtcdll.dll for trinity we shouldn't use such programs for internet telephony. If you think I'm wrong, please post your rtcdll.dll so I can check version and functions.
As to me Dopod, as a gsm carrier, didn't provide this package for customers. I hope in the future htc wwe release it will be present.
Ciao
claros said:
It is still a beta I think but seem to work, even if it is very slow especially if you have a lot of contacts to import. But sjphone doesn't have this feature.
Both (fring and sjphone) lacks of dialplan and number rewriting rules.
I think you have installed vm6voip in your dopod, so you can find voip files. If we had a really working rtcdll.dll for trinity we shouldn't use such programs for internet telephony. If you think I'm wrong, please post your rtcdll.dll so I can check version and functions.
As to me Dopod, as a gsm carrier, didn't provide this package for customers. I hope in the future htc wwe release it will be present.
Ciao
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I've never said native SIP was working great on Trinity, I've just said the contrary: as the first poster of the thread stated, it can only be an alternative solution, but the third parties software (with all features AND optimizations included will always work better)
The reason is very simple:
It's not only a matter of rtcdll, it has more to do with the settings, specially the codecs one.
It is possible to fix though, but then It requires many additional tweaks, and I don't think it's worth the effort, since the third parties sofwares are there and working.
P.S.: I don't understand why you are so insistant on one file...
there are 4 of them dedicated to native SIP service. As I said, I think I had them all, before installing wm6voip.cab patches.
But the point is for any one missing one of them, or leazy to check, there are 10 wm6voip.cab on this forum to get them all installed in one click.
As I stated before: wm6voip.cab, and several SIP configuration tools are available on the forum.
After trying some of them, I like the shap's one and suggested it to the author of the thread.
But I confirm: none of them as perfect-already-ready-sound-quality
U need to tweak your codecs, according to your SIP provider requirements.
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It is still a beta I think but seem to work, even if it is very slow especially if you have a lot of contacts to import. But sjphone doesn't have this feature.
Both (fring and sjphone) lacks of dialplan and number rewriting rules.
I think you have installed vm6voip in your dopod, so you can find voip files. If we had a really working rtcdll.dll for trinity we shouldn't use such programs for internet telephony. If you think I'm wrong, please post your rtcdll.dll so I can check version and functions.
As to me Dopod, as a gsm carrier, didn't provide this package for customers. I hope in the future htc wwe release it will be present.
Ciao
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I don't think so.
For having tried both, I can confirm Fring do have number rewriting rules. It works great.
(my sip provider requires the numbers to start with 00. My contacts are recorded with + not 00.
Therefore, when I use the regular dialpad and native SIP features, it gives me an error.
But when I use Fring, it convert the numbers automatically, and and I can call through.
My only concern with Fring, was to make sure that the other person can hear me when I use the SIP features.
I don't have the confirmation. When I use the test call feature, It doesn't seem to hear me and cannot record my voice.
Since my account is not credited (big bug with the provider console on the net) I can't make sure about it.
Except if there is someone using voipbdiscount wanting to test.
Bye
I found that fring works fine. I haven't tried sip through it as yet but the fring test call worked fine (test call is just like the Skype test call).
It is pretty easy to download and test it anyway. Very easy to set up. I tried some other sip software recently and found them all far too complex to get up and running.
Thanks for the info.
I may try again and see whether or not the test-call feature can record my voice this time.
Yeah, Fring is simple to set up and it's great to have msn/skype/and sip provider in the same interface.
I strongly disagree that the Trinity problem is codec related. I tried different VOIP solutions with 4 SIP providers and NONE of them gave me reliable results.
I still hope the final HTC WM6 will include proper VOIP since I seriously doubt your "its the codec's fault"-story.
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I strongly disagree that the Trinity problem is codec related. I tried different VOIP solutions with 4 SIP providers and NONE of them gave me reliable results.
I still hope the final HTC WM6 will include proper VOIP since I seriously doubt your "its the codec's fault"-story.
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Sorry but inside the official european tytn wm6 there is no voip support.
As tytn and trin are brother I dubt voip will be supported on an official htc european rom, if any...
As to me, from past investigations, the problem is on an audio driver that can not access the system speaker, but the system modify itself after first use and I cant understand why...
I've found some device identifier in the registry under RTC, seem to work only by earpiece and locks if I try to use a bt earpiece..
Can't remember anything else, and I haven't enough time to investigate more...
Ciao
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the only IM program I use is aim. I've read the comparison chart and a few threads I found searching but I haven't really seen one that comments directly on the aim functionality of the programs.
what client do you all like best for aim?
thanks
IM+
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I use IM+ and i like it.
Agile Messenger all the way. Has softkey support for WM5/6 which IM+ does not. Plus IM+ doesnt auto-reconnect if you drop cellular signal. Agile does.
MJB
I use MunduIM. It's cheap, has a decent interface, and works well.
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Agile Messenger all the way. Has softkey support for WM5/6 which IM+ does not. Plus IM+ doesnt auto-reconnect if you drop cellular signal. Agile does.
MJB
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auto reconnect seems like a must have feature if you want people to be able to communicate to you on aim reliably.
i was looking for an IM program that works with sms so i downloaded mobile IM (oz communcations) via medianet and it works ok, i dunno why but windows mobile makes everything seem complicated. i had the same prog on my old sony ericsson w810 and it seemed to work a lot smoother
im also looking for a good Aim client sort of like the one similar to the sorry ass t-mobile sidekick... an aim client that includes ur buddies away messages next to there name and also has there icon picture visable
I've noticed a majot trend- seems like almost everyone here wants something that used data instead of SMS for IM. I'm quite the opposite, and am looking for a client that works like the original OEM, that uses SMS. I actually don't have a data plan, and even if I did, I have unlimited IM through SMS and would rather use that than a data connection.
I've found CABs of the Oz client used on both AT&T and T-Mobile, and I've installed both, but both give me the same strange error when I run it.
ExceptionCode: 0x80000002
ExceptionAddress: 0x00df8328
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Any ideas or hints on this one? Any good IM clients out there for WM6 that would use SMS, or at least give you the option to use SMS?
slick messenger..
can buzz in yahoo and live messenger with it
dunno in aim because i didnt have aim id
For those looking for IM over SMS get the latest OZ Instant Messenger and Today plugin here:
http://www.cinetsystems.com/xda/Kaiser Cab Collections/OZ_Instant_Messanger_at_t_AKU_0.4.4.CAB
http://www.cinetsystems.com/xda/Kaiser Cab Collections/OZ_IM_Today_Plugin.CAB
For those looking for IM over DATA get Agile Messenger here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/57054171/agile_messenger_ppc.CAB.html
slick is definitely the best.. its so fast to when i send messages it actually is instant unlike other programs. plus it free and supports a wide variety of protocols.
Without question, agile is just as "instant" as slick and FAR better looking than slick (which looks like it was directly ported from a series 60 device and doesnt even utilize the windows mobile interface.) Have you even tried it?
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For those looking for IM over SMS get the latest OZ Instant Messenger and Today plugin here:
http://www.cinetsystems.com/xda/Kaiser Cab Collections/OZ_Instant_Messanger_at_t_AKU_0.4.4.CAB
http://www.cinetsystems.com/xda/Kaiser Cab Collections/OZ_IM_Today_Plugin.CAB
For those looking for IM over DATA get Agile Messenger here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/57054171/agile_messenger_ppc.CAB.html
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The Agile that u uploaded , I can't get to work at all. I can't Log into AIM or Yahoo even though my Interenet is working on my Phone ?
Am I doing something Wrong ?
Same hea, it just doesn't connect at all either through 3G or WiFi.
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The Agile that u uploaded , I can't get to work at all. I can't Log into AIM or Yahoo even though my Interenet is working on my Phone ?
Am I doing something Wrong ?
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OK I thought It was Just me lol
"mbial" Are you using this and it's Working for you ?
Go figure it's having problems...the proxy used by this program is currently offline, but it is a temporary problem. Expect it to be resolved soon. It is NOT the program, but the web proxy. Please be patient and it'll work soon.
MJB
Interesting ? And exactly Who's Proxy Is this going through.... Please PM me if this is Sensitive Material
Anyway to Tunnel it Through my own Proxy Server ? So I don;t have to Rely on Someone elses ?
i have used agile before and i admit the slick interface isn't as nice as agile, but its not unbearable. i actually kind of like the simplistic streamlined look though. plus slick has features such as file transfers, offline ims, messages history, and a lot more configuration options.
also doesn't agile require you to purchase a key after a certain amount of uses?