Hi. If you get the ViaMichelin naviagation software onto your P3300, will it then be able to recieve TMC messages? On ViaMichelin HP it says that it use FM radio to recieve updates? http://www.viamichelin.com/viamichelin/gbr/GPS/htm/nav/our-advantages.htm
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regarding similar question, I've got following answer from HTC:
....there is a hardware element that is required to translate and use the TMC data so it is impossible to. As of yet, no HTC devices support this.
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it's sounds like somebody is making us fools.
TMC information is sent using FM RDS transmission - the same transmission is providing your fauvorite stations names.
FM Radio application is able to read and show RDS transmission - anybody can see RDS info on the screen. IF the RDS transmission is accessible from FM RADIO application, THEN SHOULD be accessible from TMC-related applications. The question is - which port is used for communication, speed, baud, etc.
The other way is to disassemble FM Radio application from Artemis.
This has been discussed 10 times. RDS and TMC are different things concerning the physical radio waves. You need an extra hardware filter for TMC to be able to read it. A software update can't do that job because you cannot access the TMC information from the radio waves.
According to http://www.rds.org.uk/, TMS is just extension to RDS, same as EON, TI etc.
Availabity of TMC info should be subject to FM receiver architecture.
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hi out there! i´m still waiting for my artemis (german version is not out by now). can any body tell me, if it´s possible to use tmc on the artemis (fm-radio antenna is on board) for example with the MobileNavigator 5.
thx
Interesting thought and I did read somewhere a while ago that this was possible, having messed around with the device it is not possible let me explain:
1/ You need the Artemis powered up to run TomTom properly in a car long journeys will just flatten the battery.
2/ The FM Radio ONLY works IF the headphones are plugged in (they provide the aerial) - you cannot simultaniously charge the device and use headphones as they use the same connection point on the Artemis.
3/ The only traffic option offered by TomTom Nav 6 on the Artemis (even with headphones plugged in) is for a GPRS connection.
To be honest this would have been the ultimate package, IF they had managed to get it to work (I am not sure they even considered it to be honest) but I doubt fitting the TMC receiver parts into the Artemis would have been easy - food for thought for the manufacturers though? - Mike
thank´s mike! just found the eten x500 glofiish. its nearly the same device but better processor and tmc works. is that because the fm-reciever in the eten supports rds?
I doubt that its down to the FM part being RDS compatible the Artemis can use RDS as well. Most TMC receivers working in the FM band contain additional electronics to process the data into a usable form, if this electronics isn't in the hardware I don't think it will work. Mike
Well, i think this device is not perfect for using TMC.
I tried the FM9 antenna from GNS (German company who provides TMC) and currently it does not work so the only possibility is to use a BT TMC antenna which is totaly stupid due to the reason
1. the Artemis has already built-in GPS
2. the BT TMC antenna is very expensive >200€
I will try TMC on that device with the headphones as soon as i find the headphone input
NO TMC
Guys, what are you talking about?
TomTom itself does NOT support TMC in Navigator software. Why do not read the TomTom website before put any efforts: (cite):
"Question
Will there be support for TMC in a next or upcoming release of TomTom Navigator software ?
Answer
TomTom continuously strives to include the best possible functionality in our products and to deliver new features. However there are currently no plans to provide TMC in TomTom Navigator software. We recommend that you register on our web site and sign up for our newsletter, so we can keep you informed about future releases and upgrades. "
"Question
Can I use the TomTom RDS-TMC Receiver with all TomTom products?
Answer
The TomTom RDS-TMC Receiver can be used with the TomTom GO 910/710/510."
Of course you might to use the different navigation software, than I apologies, but the original question was about the TMC + TomTom.
Interesting, I have been trying to figure out if traffic alerts are free on the tmobile service with the compact III. The following review seems to indicate that, but no mention of it on the tmobile site itself. Anyone verify this? Seems like no need for a separate TMC device if u have this?
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/news2810.html
Available with CoPilot® Live 6 satellite navigation*, the MDA Compact III makes dedicated navigation systems redundant, with turn-by-turn voice instructions, detailed street mapping and powerful route calculation for navigation in-car or on foot. With its integrated jog wheel and touch screen, the device makes it easy to enter a destination and follow the comprehensive door-to-door directions. Web’n’walk customers will be able to take advantage of free real-time traffic alerts and avoidance, delivered directly into CoPilot via the T-Mobile GPRS network.
RalphLauren said:
Guys, what are you talking about?.......
"Question
Can I use the TomTom RDS-TMC Receiver with all TomTom products?
Answer
The TomTom RDS-TMC Receiver can be used with the TomTom GO 910/710/510."
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Ralph, you are quite correct, however some stupid sales adverts did state the "Built in FM Radio could be used for Traffic information over RDS" - what I was pointing out, is that this idea - whilst nice is not a possibility - Mike
I read somewhere that the gps included in the artemis was able to retrieve rds/tmc signal, but that still a rom update was necessary to enable that feature...
Why GPS receiver should support TMC? It's pointless.
TMC information is provided via FM Radio with RDS signal. Artemis has built in FM RDS Radio - and nothing more is required.
Except proper software, of course.
Anyone tried TMC Demo Program from Royaltek
http://www.royaltek.com/index.php/component/option,com_weblinks/task,view/catid,46/id,3/
or
GNS TrafficCompact from Dantotec
http://www.dantotec.de/shop/gns-trafficcompact-tmc-software-fuer-pocketpc-p-10808.html
it would be great to know the COM port of the internal FM radio (if it has a com port), or a possibility to get the rds data from the radio to a COM port, for use with TMC compatible software like Navigon.
Tried
I've tried it with the first program but it needs a com port and i don't thinkj the p3300 has linked its radio to a com port.
Maybe someone could try Route 66 in the newest version. It supports TMC via RDS (update on www.66.com) people in the Eten forum also said that TMC even with the new glofiish x500 doesn't work and that this is a problem with the navigation software that doesn't support those fmradio chipsets. but the newest route66 shold work. maybe we have to wait until navigon6 pda will be released, i think navigon will have support for the newest chipsets in their newest software. or try the route66 software.
1 question and i hope my head isnt took off here but wat is tmc?
Exec Man said:
1 question and i hope my head isnt took off here but wat is tmc?
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Traffic Message Channel, it provides information on accidents/ hold ups etc via FM radio.
I doubt this will work via the Artemis, the Route 66 web page does list a couple of suitable TMC units to work with the latest update, the biggest problem is the need to have the earphones plugged in to act as the aerial, couple this with poor reception (the audio plays well on strong stations, but drops out on weaker ones). The other problem I now have following the upgrade to the latest R66 is messed up menus, tech support later today! - Mike
Whether it is possible in Artemis to switch on TMC function? In it in fact is FM a tuner with RDS, and TMC the information is transferred through RDS.
For as far as I know, the P3300 does not have TMC. Unfortunately
You cannot use the inbuilt radio for TMC - it simply cannot perform this function, you can get TMC via GPRS and subscription to the service.
I did read some pre device release information that claimed the P3300 could do TMC via its internal radio, but I think the article was typical media hype (or more accuratly they didn't know what they were talking about).
The inbuilt radio will support RDS (which on the Arte gives basic channel names) - that is about the limit, if you want traffic information look at your options for GPRS connectivity and prices - Mike
RDS data IS accesible from applications - look at FM Radio application.
It means, that other application can access RDS data too - including TMC information.
Would you like to enlighten us how you get RDC TMC information from the in built Radio on the device? - Mike
What XCRIME means that similar Pdas with built in gps inc TMC works.
TMC (Traffic Message Channel) provides a anticipatory route optimization. TMC is a special application of the FM Radio Data System (RDS), constantly sending up-to-the-minute traffic information and weather data, that are being received by the TMC receiver. The navigation systems ( like Navigon MN5 )matches these data with your route within seconds. If there is congestion ahead, it automatically offers you an alternative route.( source the Navigon site)....
At the moment the Eten 500 & 500 with built in GPS & tmc module + supports tmc using the Destinator ot Route 66 navigation systems ( both support Royaltek–Protocol ) using the headphone as an antenna to recieve the tmc broadcasts.Only drawback is that you can only hear sound/ instructions via the head phone in this instance...
I expect that the Artemis will have an update to allow us to use this function.
Hello,
maybe it will work with one of those TMC adapters from GNS (e.g. GNS TrafficBox Universal maybe)?
GNS TMC adapter info
GNS TMC adapter shop
Anyone tried those?
Regards
Poseidon5150 said:
Hello,
maybe it will work with one of those TMC adapters from GNS (e.g. GNS TrafficBox Universal maybe)?
GNS TMC adapter info
GNS TMC adapter shop
Anyone tried those?
Regards
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Hi, and welcome...
The issue in this thread is how we can use the inbuilt FM RDS tuner on the P3300 to receive TMC, and use the information in for example Tomtom or some other navigation application.
Regards,
PK
paalkr said:
Hi, and welcome...
The issue in this thread is how we can use the inbuilt FM RDS tuner on the P3300 to receive TMC, and use the information in for example Tomtom or some other navigation application.
Regards,
PK
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Hi and thanks for the welcome. I understand the issue of this thread, I just thought it could be a workaround to get TMC to work until someone find a solution or a patch is released to use the internal radio for TMC.
I don't have one of those myself, just interested if someone already tested them with the Orbit/Artemis? Ok, maybe I will open a new thread on this later...
Regards
You can forget TMC in combination with TomTom. If I remember correctly TomTom uses it's own TMC network or something like that. In order to get the traffic information on your TomTom you need to use the service TomTom is offering, ofcourse they are going to let you pay for that service.
Mobile Navigator uses the normal TMC which comes with the standard RDS.
But for now it's not even possible to get that working. I personally doubt it will come availible, because if it would I think HTC had already mentioned it somehow.
TomTom use iTIS holdings for their traffic service, this information is broadcast over the Classic FM network within the UK (99.9 to 101.9FM - dependent upon location). Classic FM coverage isn't too good, low signal strength etc, couple that fact with the poor quality aerial supplied as part of the headphones with the Artemis and TMC (if it were possible) would simply never work IMHO - Mike
Isn´t there somebody with a P3300 who can contact HTC in order to ask whether RDS EON/TMC will come availible in the future?
@Bart1981: Why do you ask, if anybody could ask HTC?
Perhaps, YOU can ask?!
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@Bart1981: Why do you ask, if anybody could ask HTC?
Perhaps, YOU can ask?!
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Lol I tried but the mail returned to me with the awsner: Don't know what to do Seemed they missed some sort of number.
You can send an e-mail throughout the Support section, but then you need to fill in an IMEI number of your P3300, and guess what, I don't have a P3300
So that's the reason why I asked if somebody else could ask it for me. But if you have the right e-mail adres for me, I'll be happy to ask it for everybody on this forum
TMC on P3300 way to activate (worked with my Eten G500)
Hi,
The TMC function works with Route 66 Navigate 7 and some other soft.
If you really want TMC and don't want to pay for it, don't use tomtom, it's as simple as that, it's only a paid gprs connection.
Route 66 is as good as tomtom (only street selection is not so user friendly) and it has a free TMC function.
Just plug in the earphones (=tmc antenna built in!) otherwise it won't work. Scan the FM radio for the RDS posts and normally you get some texts after a while about traffic jams, accidents, .... interesting!
It worked with my Eten G500, still have to test it on the P3300, but this is the way of working. If it doesn't work, you probably need the newest firmware upgrade, found on the ftp of xda developpers.
If you don't want to use the earphones as antenna, you can get a 'wurfel' antenna on ebay from Germany, from 3.5mm jack to small antenna. I hope they are developping a carcharger with TMC antenna, like you can find allready on ebay from other brands like garmin, though it's expensive, about €70
Cheers,
Innovator
I use Route 66 on my unit but I have only ever obtained TMC via GPRS are you sure yours is actually using the radio? - try turning off the phone and see if it still receives data - Mike
Innovator said:
Hi,
If you don't want to use the earphones as antenna, you can get a 'wurfel' antenna on ebay from Germany, from 3.5mm jack to small antenna. I hope they are developping a carcharger with TMC antenna, like you can find allready on ebay from other brands like garmin, though it's expensive, about €70
Cheers,
Innovator
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Can you post a link for that antenna ? Cause i'm looking for something like that.
Thanx
Is anybody tried the tmc function?
TMC on Artemis/P3300
Any news on trying to get TMC on Artemis/P3300?
// Patrik
RoyalDemoTMC
i have come over this software from ETEN all work on my Artemis but not the TMC mabe some one can work it out to work
Hi!
Is there any alternative FM tuner software that could be used with P3300. The original software is OK, but I miss a RDS AF (alternative frequency) option.
Regards,
PK
I'm still not sure there is even RDS on the P3300. If there is no RDS than other radio software will not help.
The device does have RDS, it can display the radio station name but in order for this to work you need a good quality signal, sadly the aerial built into the headphones isn't up to much in way of reception - Mike
I think receiving the station's name and displaying other Data ist not quite the same. I believe RDS PS is the Service that displays the Stations Name. Nearly all Radios have that. I have some radios though, that are capable of Displaying the Station Name, but no further informations. These Informations come with RDS EON (Radio Data System with Enhanced other Networks) AF and TA, only to name two, are services that come along with RDS EON. So i am guessing, that Artemis FM Software is truly capable of RDS, but not EON.
I'd also like to have a software that can do that
YYY - stupid question, does anybody know is it possible to receive and read RDS (radio data system) on Artemis FM Radio ? It`s a matter of hard- or software ?
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YYY - stupid question, does anybody know is it possible to receive and read RDS (radio data system) on Artemis FM Radio ? It`s a matter of hard- or software ?
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The built-in FM Radio app does show RDS information..
its heavily dependant on signal strenght tho..
so if you're fm signal isnt strong enough some characters arent displayed right.
Station ident name will be visible, some people have also asked about using the FM radio to receive RDS-TMC for traffic information with some navigation software packages - the Artems radio CANNOT be used for that function - Mike
The only RDS Service the FM Radio of the Artemis is capable of reading, is PS, Programme Service Name. No PTY, TP, TA or TMC and and definately no EON. But i am not sure of this is hardware or software related...