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Hi Guys,
This Blackberry stuff everyone is chatting about is puzzling me..... :?
Now, I have never owned one, or for that matter seen one.. so my questions are:
1: What does this thing do that is so special?. I know you can get your emails delivered to it, but you can do this with the XDA via gprs/wifi.
2: What is this Blackberry plugin/software for the XDA(IIs)? does it give the same functionality as a Blackberry?
Sorry if I sound a little dumb, but I have never taken the time to look into this product and I thought this would be the ideal place for a sensible answer!
Thanks in advance chaps
The blackberry device is like a PDA, but with the ability to receive emails from a blackberry enterprise server (BES). This server pushes the emails to you as soon as the email arrives at the server. All email clients (by en large) query the server to see if there is email and the get it when the server says that there exists new email. With a blackberry you get the email instantly (no need to keep querying the server).
The blackberry software is supposed to allow you to get that push email access on your palm/pocket pc
personally I dont like RIM devices, they dont support non-latin characters, and I have no need for push email. My job doesnt pay me enough to have access to me 24/7
Thanks Admiral (Getting to be a habit this)
So the only real benefit is "Push" technology.....
Same here then, my job also does'nt pay me enough either! :lol:
Push email is very handy even if your job does not pay you enough to be on call 247! I spend a lot of time away from home, so use my XDA to check my personal emails as well as work! Although the IIs does not support (Yet!) blackberry you can try the duality software from Smartner. This is simple to use, and is the nearest thing to push email until the BB client becomes available. www.smartner.com
Hope that helps too.
Celtic
What is the benefit of 'push' email over simply polling your pop server every 'x' minutes?
xda-rocks said:
What is the benefit of 'push' email over simply polling your pop server every 'x' minutes?
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The smartner software polls the server every few mins. This costs me quite a bit over gprs, so I always connect manually when I need to. (I can change it to poll auto every 15, 30 60 mis etc.) BUT, with the smartner software it synchronises with my pop server, so if I delete from my pda it is also deleted from my pop server etc - this is what I like.
I was expecting the smartner software to have email "pushed" to it. But it seems to poll (like I said above) every few mins. Im not sure if this is "real" push email?
I have noticed Microsoft Messenger can stay connected for ages with very little data exchanged untill I get a message. I was expecting this to be the case with smartners push software.
Regards,
Ian Watson
The biggest benefits are for corporate email users...
1. Push email (faster and more efficient)
2. Calendar / unread mark synchronization
3. Attachment viewing (the most popular file formats are all supported)
There really is nothing else that is widely deployed that does these things (or at least does them well and is an excepted corporate standard).
In the absence of the Blackberry client software, I'm using IMAP mail, which I find to be ridiculously slow when compared to my old Blackberry handheld.
So all emails have to be routed through the BB server then?? (sorry im a bit ignorant in these matters). Just interested because I run my own email server in my office (mdaemon) and all email gets routed through that and distributed to the various people in my office, so if someone wanted to use blackberry we wouldnt be able to use our mail server as well??
If you want to access internal corporate push email you have to connect the Blackberry Enterprise Server to a mail server, it supports 3 mail servers: Microsoft Exchange, IBM Lotus Domino or Novell GroupWise. If you want to access Hotmail, AOL, IMAP or POP3 you have to use Blackberry Web Client on the device which I presume is pull.
The nice thing about blackberries is they support one-handed operation like a mobile phone and have a keyboard. PPC PE should really get it's act together in terms of one handed operation.
I've setup a cheapo version of "kind-of" push email - a perl script on a server that polls a POP3 mail server every 10 minutes and sends out a txt message with subject and some of the body, can't handle HTML emails yet though.
Hi all,
Just upgrading to new Imate ROM. Now it seems that Universal has push email can anyone recommend an Exchange SP2 direct push email provider for consumer market? Many thanks for taking the time to read.
Tom C (UK) :lol:
The onlyone I know for the moment is 4smartphone.net - if you find any better (means cheaper), let me know!
Some report are saying 4smartphone.net takes 30 seconds to push an email to your device, rather than 5 seconds or less that others are getting via their own exchange servers.
Its worth asking these website exchange account providers what frequency they run the push 'heartbeat' at - you might end up with a big bill if they haven't set the Exchange/firewall to a reasonable rate.
Device SMS Address
I've just signed up for the 4smartphone trial, but Orange are completely unable to tell me what the Device SMS Address should be. They don't have a clue what this is about. I was guessing [email protected], but that doesn't work.
Does anyone know what it should be?
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rossp said:
I've just signed up for the 4smartphone trial, but Orange are completely unable to tell me what the Device SMS Address should be. They don't have a clue what this is about. I was guessing [email protected], but that doesn't work.
Does anyone know what it should be?
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If you're using the aku2 rom then you don't need an sms address. The MSFP/Direct Push works via http not sms. Waaaaaay better!
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I think it is that version. I'm using the new ROM version 1.30.68 with Radio version 1.09.00. I can see the push mail icon in Comm Manager, but it's greyed out, so I'm not sure where to go from here. The 4smartphone support pages are not exactly informative.
Can anyone point me to a website about setting this up? My searches are not getting me far.
Thanks.
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rossp said:
I've just signed up for the 4smartphone trial, but Orange are completely unable to tell me what the Device SMS Address should be. They don't have a clue what this is about. I was guessing [email protected], but that doesn't work.
Does anyone know what it should be?
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If you're using the aku2 rom then you don't need an sms address. The MSFP/Direct Push works via http not sms. Waaaaaay better!
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Is the AKU2 ROM available?
Where?
Thanks
Steve
Its a test aku2 universal rom...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=42743
Got it working
Just need to ignore the instructions on the 4smartphone web page about SMS Device.
From the moment of clicking send on my Desktop to the email arriving in my device inbox the time taken is about 25 secs, which includes gmail forwarding it to the 4smartphone address.
4smartPhone Help!!
Glad to hear that you got the SMS problem sorted which help me out too. I can now sync with contacts but what do I do for the email. Do I have to set an account up on WM5 which I have done but there is no push coming through I have to manually send and receive. Any help much welcome. Thanks
You need to set it up using active sync in WM5. You will need to add a server (secure.4smartphone.net) then your username, password and domain (4smartphone). It will then sync using the GPRS connection.
I've got Outlook desktop, Outlook Web Access (with smartphone) and Outlook on WM5 all synchronizing nicely. My only problem is that I have three pop email account on Outlook desktop, but 4smartphone only seems to work with one.
And just to add the obvious, you need to have email being forward to the address that you got @smartphone.com
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I've just signed up for the 4smartphone trial, but Orange are completely unable to tell me what the Device SMS Address should be. They don't have a clue what this is about. I was guessing [email protected], but that doesn't work.
Does anyone know what it should be?
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4Smartphone.net are US based, where email to SMS is very common. It took the Americans about three years to wake up to the fact that everyone else in the world has to pay for SMS messages to be sent - hence the new push technology from Microsoft.
What they are referring to is a feature known as AUTD (always up to date) which is how Exchange used to do push. A specially created SMS text message would be sent to your phone which told your device that something had changed, and it would then do a sync.
I am told that it worked very well - it is just unfortunate that for everyone outside of the USA the feature would cost many thousands to run for each single user.
Simon.
4smartPhone Help!!
Thanks for your quick reply. I have forwarding set up and all the correct settings for Active Syn in WM5, UserName, Password, Domain and Save password. Under the Options in ActiveSync there now appears and Exchange Server with the following selected Contacts, Calendar, E-Mail, Tasks.
I'm still not sure though what to do with the email all the above are syncing via 3g. In the Messages section do I have to create a new account and if so what are the correct setting for this?
Thanks again for the help and suggestions.
Tom C.
When it syncs with the Exchange server it automatically goes into the Outlook email inbox on your device. If you've previously been synchronizing with the desktop it wipes out those emails, which is why I'm trying the Pro version of 4smartphone and synchronising all three.
Have you checked if test emails you are sending are reaching the 4smartphone email address? You can do that by logging into the web version of Outlook via the link on their website.
Also the push email icon in Com Manager should now be working and it will say Microsoft DirectPush at the top.
That may not be much help, but I am also completely new to this.
4smartPhone
Once again thanks for the help. Just about got it sorted as I read your reply. The missing link for me is that the you don't have to sent up a seperate email account I was looking for server addresses extra but all those go under ActiveSync. Getting mails fine now but not too sure yet about sending them. Are yours sending fine or is there a delay?
Thanks again, you are still once step ahead of me
I've got Push email working with mail2web.com and have a few questions:
I've gota couple of email addresses that won't forward to my mail2web email account and I don't really want to use mail2web's harvester as that only checks once every hour, so I was wondering whether it's possible to set Outlook on my PC to synce with my mail2web account so that my PC will download emails from my POP accounts, then upload them to my mail2web server, which then pushes the emails to my phone?
Or is there a simpler way to do it?
Also, when I reply to an email that's been pushed the reply address is always my mail2web email address, which is a pain as it confuses people and gets rejected by my email groups. How can I change the default address that my replies go from, or even just change them on each email as I reply?
I'm sure I'll have more questions soon.! Cheers.
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Or is there a simpler way to do it?
Also, when I reply to an email that's been pushed the reply address is always my mail2web email address, which is a pain as it confuses people and gets rejected by my email groups. How can I change the default address that my replies go from, or even just change them on each email as I reply?
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Yup, use 4smartphones.net.
IT'S FOUR QUID A MONTH!
HI
i m using tmobie mda (usa) with the data plan and with the i can configure my pop3 email account on my phone and make to get the emails automaticaly after certain time
so then why do we need exchange server for
i mean i can be wrong too but if i m wrong can someone tell me the right thing
Thanks
I recommend Mail2Web, the simple setting and most important it is FREE.
Guys,
Cant seem to get Yahoo emails into my MDA Compact III handset.
I have gone thru the instructions, and filled in the email addy on page 1.
I am not sure what to put in for the User Name on page 2. I have tried using the email addy, and the email addy without the @yahoo.com bit. Neither work.
Obviously the password is in and saved.
On page 3 it is showing the settings as greyed out POP3 and Yahoo.
Page 4 shows Incoming mail: pop.mail.yahoo.co.uk (this was already filled out, I have tried this as a .com as well)
Outgoing mail: smtp.mail.yahoo.co.uk (this was already filled out, I have tried this as a .com as well)
Domain: this was not filled in.....
I have asked for it to connect to both 'The Internet' and 'T-mobile Internet' neither have worked.
When ever I try to 'Send and Recieve' it always just comes up with a screen saying 'Incoming E-mail Password' showing my User Name, Password and Domain. But wont do anything more.
Can anyone confirm what format a user name should be. And also if the Domain is a req firld, and what it could be.
Thanks
Matt
The user name can be anything you want displayed on your sent e-mail, I use Mike Alder in this box and it works fine, the Domain box I leave blank.
From what you describe you have let the device set itself up automatically, I configured mine manually, you can still do this, but first I would check in your e-mail application on the PC what the pop3 address is "pop.mail.yahoo.co.uk" might be the automatically loaded value - but is it correct? - I don't use Yahoo so sorry I can't be more specific - Mike
Can i add my hot mail as well?
thanks
ASZ
I think yahoo charge for their pop email service. hotmail is free to use, and even comes with all facilities for mobile devices to receive and download email.
To connect to yahoo for free via your desktop you can use a freeware application called yahooPops which runs as a pop3 server on the desktop (to which your client eg outlook talks to ), and on the back end it connects via html, translates and downloads the emails for you. Not sure it exists for pocketpc.
Other ways from the browser on the pocketpc you can use mobile.yahoo.com, or used to be a wap.yahoo.com or wap.ou.yahoo.com , which is a text only mail service.
hi all,
i have had my MDA CIII for 4months now. And i used the auto steps walkthrough to setup the yahoo. and surprisely it actully worked....that was until the other day. I dnt knw whats happened, but its like they have blocked me out or something . I am bit curious to why all of a sudden it has stopped. i know the fact you are suppose to pay for pop3 access, but then how comes its been working fine for like 4mnths.
can anyone think why it might not be working anymore?
thnx,
Snoop
Hi,
Just to update things...
I eventually managed to get yahoo email pushed to my phone by subscribing to the £12.00 a year premium yahoo account. It's worked a treat since I joined it.
Not sure why it stopped working for you, or more accurately, how it worked in the first place! But the solution is to join the premium service...for me, it's worth every penny
Matt
mtrob said:
Hi,
Just to update things...
I eventually managed to get yahoo email pushed to my phone by subscribing to the £12.00 a year premium yahoo account. It's worked a treat since I joined it.
Not sure why it stopped working for you, or more accurately, how it worked in the first place! But the solution is to join the premium service...for me, it's worth every penny
Matt
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hey matt,
ye i know i was proper shocked the 1st few months when it was working. altho it wasnt the best. bcoz my mda kept reading both normal emails and bulk mail at same time. and i get 100's of bulk mail throughtout the day. i not to bothered enough to receive yahoo mail by paying £12. I have web'n'walk from t-mobile, i recon im better off just checking it using the wap version of yahoo mail website. which is what i would recommend if yahoo isnt your primary account.
Snoop
Good point - I have the w'n'walk, but love the push email thing and since this is my main email, it's great to keep bang up to date! Its amazing how little I use email from my home computer now.
I am lucky that I get hardly any spam into my inbox (touch wood) - and the premium yahoo (aledgedly) has better spam protection...
Matt
any of you guys come across this app.. it's for getting push e-mail without an ms exchange server.
question: has anyone got a way round applying this to hotmail? i think the trick is to get outlook to accept hotmail and then use this app.
also, i'm running on vista so this isn't yet compatible.. anyone aware of a similar app - i can use with my hotmail - that'll do the trick?
thanks guys..
Free push email
Hello, I've been using mail2web.com it's free and you don't have yo use outlook.
palmbluetooth said:
Hello, I've been using mail2web.com it's free and you don't have yo use outlook.
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But this doesn't support Hotmail does it?
I'm looking for a Hotmail solution... anyone?
Just forward you emails from hotmail to mail2web ..
xaoc said:
Just forward you emails from hotmail to mail2web ..
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sorry to be a pain... don't think i can forward my hotmail messages... can i?
are you able to explain how to do this and any implications?
cheers...
I have had a quick look at this app and it seems like a good thing to me - bearing in mind I've seen other push email accounts charging £15 a month.
I have a couple of questions though, someone here might know the answer.
AIUI the email is delivered over GPRS so you need to be connected all the time.
so the first question is what sort of data gets transferred if you are connected all the time but not actually downloading anything? for example if you look at your broadband connection, even when you are not using it, small amounts of data are sent/received periodically. over the course of the day this could quite easily add up!!
next question is, although I have an O2 Orbit, I'm not actually on O2. I have a temporary T-Mobile sim card while I wait to start my new job and they give me my new phone (I'll just take the sim out and put it in my orbit). I have only seen an option to set up the configuration for O2. Can the GPRS settings for other networks be entered manually? or will I have to remove all the O2 settings that are installed after a hard reset to enable me to do this? (not something I really want to do)
In answer to the other comments about mail2web and mail2wap. I have been using this site for years and years, the only thing is you have to connect to the web and then check your mail....you might not have any but you still have to pay to connect and transfer data. Hence the push email is a better idea as you KNOW you have mail as opposed to checking in case you MIGHT have some with mail2web.
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Hello, I've been using mail2web.com it's free and you don't have yo use outlook.
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My understanding is that the free Mail2Web Live product uses the older Always Up To Date technology. i.e. it sends you a silent text message when new email arrives which triggers Pocket Outlook to connect by POP or IMAP and get your mail.
That is not a push mail product. It is a triggered pull. Not bad for free, but one should be clear it does not include Direct Push... unless something has recently changed (please feel free to correct me)
Mail2Web also offer Personal Exchange, a paid hosted exchange service which has Direct Push. I personally did not like their service as I was unhappy with the Junk mail filtering they use, but their most basic hosted exchange service with Direct Push is extremely cheap... though not free.
so, let me just make sure that I understand this correctly....
the mail2web live product whilst not being a true push service does advise me that I have received an email by sending a silent SMS which tells my device to connect to the net and sync with the mail2web server to get my emails yes? (assuming I am somewhere where I have wifi or internet access)
that doesn't sound too bad....as basically what I am after is something that tells me I have an email when it arrives in my inbox. All I need is a text message telling me who it's from and the subject. That way I can decide whether I want to connect to the net and pick up the email or whether it's something that can wait.
is there anyone who offers a service like that? (I think hotmail do but I don't want to use hotmail)
many thanks
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so, let me just make sure that I understand this correctly....
the mail2web live product whilst not being a true push service does advise me that I have received an email by sending a silent SMS which tells my device to connect to the net and sync with the mail2web server to get my emails yes?
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Sorry to the Mods if this is getting off-topic (realize this is an Artemis - Emoze thread... please move if appropriate!)
Goota be honest, it is a few months since I used any Mail2Web service so I can only report on my past experience. I recall they had fairly responsive/informative support by email and recommend you ask them directly.
I think Always Up To Date (AUTD) doesn't work quite the way you describe... not that it is bad at all, and it may well do what you need. Anyway, how it works is you would be installing a little application on your device which can recognize a special hidden/silent text message from the Exchange Server (you cannot see or read this message). It just tells you device that there is new email, that is all, Then your device switches on (screen goes on, comes out of suspend) and does a an email logon as if you had opened the relevant Pocket Outlook email account and hit the send/receive choice. It then logs on from scratch and retrieves your email (just headers or everything will based on your settings).
The good is this is may be free and can work on a pre-WM5 device. The downside is that it is much slower than true Direct Push and uses more battery. With Direct Push a handshake is already established with the Exchange Server and when you new mail arrives it drops into you mailbox within seconds without your device even needing to come out of standby. You just hear the audio alert of email arriving (depending on your prefered settings).
I tried the least expensive paid Exchange Service from mail2web. It was only about 2 USD a month with no contract so I am not complaining. I personally didn't like that, for me, it incorrectly marked almost every single message as Spam and I could not adjust this adequately unless I upgraded to their most expensive Exchange offering... which costs about the same as other similar services.
I am trying out the 1 and 1 Exchange service at present. OK, not fantastic. Probably we should have a thread specially for a good email round up... likely there is one already and I should probably be posting there....
HTH
What you need is WM6 with Windows Live!
I have a Wizard running WM6... just got my XDA Orbit on O2, WM5 :-(
On WM6, the MSN service is replaced with Windows Live, and that allows you to configure a hotmail account to sync up automatically or at specific intervals.
You can do it in WM5 using the MSN messageger with an ID linked to your hotmail acocunt, but you have to be logged in to messgencger for it to work.
If anyone can extract the Windows Live component form a WM6 rom....
I recently tried another application from qore.
The idea is that you get your emails forwarded to a service that texts you when you get an email (in my case T-Mobile offers this service). The application intercepts this text (you receive no notification, it's all done in the background) and triggers a send/receive on the email account specified on your unit. In my case connecting via GPRS and downloading my emails.
sadly, it seemed to interrupt random texts and since it's done in the background, you don't even know that the text has been intercepted. I was getting angry phone calls from my mates asking why I hadn't replied to texts, that I hadn't even seen!!
Push Email
1. Register a Hotmail account and use the included Microsoft Pocket MSN software it works!
2. Register an account with http://www.consilient.com it's free and allows push mail from many services...
Hope this helps..
Hi Everyone,
There has been a lot of discussion about the best way to use email on a smartphone like the Tytn. Does everyone use the IMAP protocal for best results?
Personally, I get A LOT of mail for work and I would love to find a way to get the mail I want but not have to deal with junk mail and other emails that are automated on our side workwise.
Any suggestions?
ackerchez said:
Hi Everyone,
There has been a lot of discussion about the best way to use email on a smartphone like the Tytn. Does everyone use the IMAP protocal for best results?
Personally, I get A LOT of mail for work and I would love to find a way to get the mail I want but not have to deal with junk mail and other emails that are automated on our side workwise.
Any suggestions?
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is your work email PUSH email? or just pop3?
walshieau said:
is your work email PUSH email? or just pop3?
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Hey walshieau, Thanks for getting back to me. My email is a simple pop3 account.
ackerchez said:
Hey walshieau, Thanks for getting back to me. My email is a simple pop3 account.
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if the email server supports IMAP then use it....
Or to get full functionality, rent an exchange server mailbox from someone like 4smartphone (for about US$50 per annum) and get push email etc.
IMAP generates a lot more traffic than POP3. Just fetching a single
mailheader (send/receive when there is 1 new mail) yields over 10 kB more
traffic in IMAP. As my one subscription is limited to 10 MB/month, thus
using POP3 makes much more sense (speed could also be an argument,
altought even in GPRS it doesn't differ that much). Conseqently, I have
different entries for the same mailbox (currently: 3 IMAP, 1 POP3).... but
this also has to do with my question:
How do you guys work with different outgoing mailservers?
I have duplicated my mail account 4 times: once for each outgoing
mailserver I want to use. I then just make sure I have selected the
correct mailbox prior to starting a new message. But this hardly is an
elegant solution (I have to fetch mails for all of the accounts to keep
them up to date). As the different mailservers have no log in, I cannot
use them when not accessing via that particular provider. I have been
looking at some mechanism to hack the hosts file, but the tool
"pockethosts" isn't very well suited for this purpose (and haven't found
anything else).
Jörg
email
Hi, I'm currently using 3 email addresses on my phone plus the sync with my pc.(and home pc)
All I've come up with so far is to set all email pop/imap to only download headers, (and 2 of them only set for the last 3 days only),then I need to "select" manually what email I want to read and download them, the rest I leave for outlook to look after on my PC.
At the end of the day I finish up with a lot of "unread" emails on my phone, BUT once sync'd with pc they are all copied across anyway, just in my "outlook" folders, not my phone email accounts, if all that makes sense.
Any replies of forwards on my phone from any email includes my signature "email" that I prefer to use.
ie seperate work, personal etc
cheers
fadge
Server side filtering may be the answer for you.
http://www.modernnomads.info/wiki/index.php?page=Server+side+e-mail+filtering
gmail
I went to Gmail. Now it front-ends 4 different POP3 accounts, and with the spam protection it has it saves me from deleting a lot of crap. Only downside is that although I can read all my email on my Hermes, I can't really manage my Gmail account the way I want from the native mail client on the Hermes. No worries, I can always use the Mobile Gmail java app or go through IE to the mobile Gmail website. It's working for me...ymmv.