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T-Mobile upgrade?

Just out of curiosity, where would the upgrades made available? From t-mobile, I mean. I thought it was supposed to be in the "My T-Mobile" page, but there is no indication of such upgrades (or any future ones)?
Is there anyone who has seen T-Mobile releasing upgrades for others (like MDA compact, etc etc). Or is this non-existance? (like in this case?)

Dunno for WWE but german updates/upgrades will be made available @ http://www.t-mobile.de/software/
For blackberry on mda2/3 they are @ http://www.t-mobile.de/business/blackberry/software
cheers

T-Mobile is so far the slowest upgrader in the universe......
You'll be waiting a long, long time.
People are actually considering bringing this issue to consumer organisations. The upgrade policy of T-Mobile borders on criminality.
No sarcasm here, this is a plain fact, if you want a rom upgrade, get it somewhere else.

Ah~ so, it is a good thinking-action to flash the ROM from T-mobile's to Jasjar.
Right now, I am still looking through google about T-mobile && update which only points to a dead link on Hewlett packard's pda upgrade.
So, I will stick to upgrading it as a jasjar instead of as MDA Pro. Thanks!

Correct! T-Mobile is slow on updates. I mentioned several software bugs I've encountered (Media player full screen, Windows Security update, freezes after power off, etc etc) to T-Mobile representatives and they replied that the MDA Compact had been on the market for 9 months and still had no posted ROM upgrades. Short answer: Don't expect update ROMs from T-Mobile any time soon. (Besides, they probably think posting updates promotes end-users flashing their own ROMs, which from their perspective is a liability; foolishness!)

I spoke with t-mobile tech dudes earlier in the week, and there is to be a compact release soon, and a pro one after that.
Time to learn how to cook roms I spose and create our own t-mob one.

http://t-mobile.iris-global.com/
This is where T-Mobile will post new rom updates, another way to get there is to go to http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/webnwalksoftware/
BTW the reason tmob takes so long to update everything (roms, hset range) is cos they like to watch other networks for all the problems happening and then fix those problems before release, ie before the 6630 was released on tmob the nokia test hsets sent out did not give the option of doing a network selection or changing from dual band to gsm, they waited for other net to have problem then sold newer version.
also what barnowl what do you mean by 'The upgrade policy of T-Mobile borders on criminality.'??????

O2 XDA Orbit Coming Soon

Might be old news, but XDA Orbit has finally appeared on the O2 UK website
https://shop.o2.co.uk/ComingSoon
I'll certainly be looking to buy one!!

XDA Orbit
I spoke to O2 customer services at the end of last month and they told me that it would be available in November. I was a little skeptical and bought the P3300 from Expansys on O2 as they're not offering the Trion yet. From past experience I wouldn't count on it.

I should have waited for the o2 version, been a big fan since my EXEC. Although I was under the impression that o2's relationship with HTC ended along with i-mates. Very happy to see a HTC phone coming from o2, but I wonder will there be more to come?

Long live ASUS
I believe the HTC relationship has been closed off (with regard to new handsets).
Expect new handsets to come from ASUS (i.e. ZInc, Graphite, etc.) due in Jan.

Apparently someone in O2 Customer Service said that their spanky looking Artemis version was being released on the 27th of this month.

27th release date is correct.
Cheers
LB

Lord Buckingham said:
27th release date is correct.
Cheers
LB
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Dude, Do ya know if this device is meant for the Asia market or not?
Coz I remembered here in Singapore, we had Dopod 818Pro instead of the Neo... which means to say only 1 brand will appear here, and that is Dopod.

Can only talk for UK, Germany, and Ireland, i suspect it will not be seen in Asia.
Regards
LB

With reference to this Orbit review:
http://www.4winmobile.com/viewtopic.php?p=42938
There are 2 things that I'm puzzled:
1) Infrared Gate: IrDA 1.2, 115200bit/s (SIR/CIR)
I thought the Artemis doesn't have Irda? Is there a mistake in the review?
2) Bluetooth: Bluetooth 1.2
Pretty much everywhere else says its got BT2.0. This review mention that it has BT1.2.
WiFi support is present for both 802.11b and 802.11g connectivity, but unfortunately Bluetooth is still the older 1.2 specification and not the hoped for 2.0 which supports A2DP, etc.
That said Bluetooth connections to the Jabra BT500 headset have been clear and voice dialing is supported and works well.
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LB, have ya tried A2DP on this device yet?
Thanks!

MasK,
Yes I have but only with the Samsung SBH 170 headset and it appears to work OK if a little limited in range.
Cheers
LB

launch date
I think this is always the same with a new hardset from O2 but i've just got off the phone with o2 select support and they reckon it's not out till after Christmas :-(

The O2 website is saying its this month.
https://shop.o2.co.uk/ComingSoon
Worth noting though that different service providers within O2 will choose to stock it at different times, so maybe Select are next year.

the O2 Orbit would most probably be released in other parts of the world except asia coz its released bt Dopod instead

LB,
I know this sounds crazy.. but does the device have glabal warranty?
Secondly, do ya think it's available in the Netherlands? It does seem better looking and more sophisticated compared to the stock Artemis, and I'm wondering what my chances are in getting that into Asia. Thanks!

MasK,
The warranty will be valid if purchased from O2, i guess you are asking whether you can get it repaired if you take it outside the UK? I am not aware of any plans to sell the device in the Netherlands, alough it will be available in Germany.
Cheers
LB

So if O2 don't release on the 27th (this month), the same way I've moved last year from Orange I can move this year to T-Mobile which have the MDA III.
Didn't quite like the phone signal on the Exec anyway...but if they do release...and they have a similar price as T-Mobile, then it isn't worth the hassle. Can't wait till after Christmas...can you?

Well.. It's not abt waiting. In fact, I'm quite confident the new HTC devices (at least the Artemis) is gonna be released by end of this month during an IT exhibition. The thing is, the Orbit looks nicer than the original Artemis. It'll be real nice to have one here for the sake of uniqueness

Well, I in fact like the original as it's a bit...square.

Grogo said:
Well, I in fact like the original as it's a bit...square.
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Hmm.. yeah.. I do like squary designs.
It just seems that the Orbit has a better colour combination (something the Atom should have int he first place, instead of making it all black!)
Anyways, design-wise.. the Artemis is definitely better than the trinity, imho. At least they got out of the magician/prophet form factor.

wertert said:
I think this is always the same with a new hardset from O2 but i've just got off the phone with o2 select support and they reckon it's not out till after Christmas :-(
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Hi everyone!
I've just had my O2 customer services representative on the phone to confirm that next week I will have the XDA Orbit delivered to my office, so it seems that this time they have done they homework...
Can't wait to play with it!

HTC P3300 or O2 XDA Orbit

Hello,
I'm a newbie to this forum. Yes, before you all say anything I know they'r the same thing, packaged differently.
Since I'm in Canada, I'll be paying full price for either of those two, unlocked ofcourse. Was wondering if there are any pros/cons to either those two and which one would you all recommend?
Thanks

With Artemis you should have HTC patches and upgrades, with branded devices you may wait longer (for O2, Orange... software releases). HTC officially announced WM6 ROM for Artemis and help for other brands if they will decide to buy WM6 license, but you don't know if they will...

Will O2 be offering a WM6 upgrade? Someone just posted that O2 will not be offering an update. I'm wondering if I shud get O2 or not. I really like the Orbit, but now im confused.

O2 havo no plans to upgrade for now, but they don't say no for ever - so we don't really know...

I've ordered HTC P3300 only because everything seems confirmed for it, plus I'm getting it with all North American maps. Will let you guys know when I recieve it in a few days.

o2's xda orbit WM6 upgrade response

Good afternoon Paul,
Thank you for your email.
O2-UK are currently testing the Windows Mobile 6 upgrade and until this has passed all tests then unfortunately we will not be able to advise you when the upgrade will be released.
We are also unable to advise of features involved in this upgrade as this may be subject to change, dependant upon the tests.
If you have any further problems, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Kind Regards
******* *******
O2-UK
Customer Technical Support
Windows Mobile Training Specialist 2007
For information on O2-UK products and services please visit www.o2.co.uk
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From: joey jojo [***]
Sent: 22 May 2007 13:05
To: O2 Data Support (UK)
Subject: o2 xda orbit upgrade for windows mobile 6.0
Hi, I am emailing due the release of the WM6.0 rom released via o2 Germany, and I was wondering when o2-uk will be offering the same.
I am eagerly awaiting this rom update for my new xda orbit device.
Also are your technical support team able to offer any information on any new features of the update and whether O2 active will be included in this build.
Cheers.
Paul
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i just got a reply from a nice chap at o2, hopefully soon we will get our free upgrade.
i tried to get info on what will be released/new feature on wm6 for our device.but allas no joy...
hopefully they will let me test future roms etc!!

Thats a far more in depth response than I got when I asked them. All I was told was that they can't give a date and to keep checking the website for further information. Only problem is since o2's uk website is so rubbish I've not found anywhere relating to support downloads for devices!

markquinton said:
Thats a far more in depth response than I got when I asked them. All I was told was that they can't give a date and to keep checking the website for further information. Only problem is since o2's uk website is so rubbish I've not found anywhere relating to support downloads for devices!
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When they finally get their act together, there will probably be another tab called 'software updates' added to the 'I've already got an Orbit' page. This has been the case with other devices, although they all had the launch ROM available on the site too, which is not the case with the Orbit.

Another in depth response from O2 UK - this is what I got from them yesterday:
Good Afternoon
Thank you for your e-mail.
We will be launching the WM 6 update for the Orbit, but unfortunately we cannot provide a specific date to you due to confidentiality.
We do believe this update will be provided during the summer period.
If you require any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Kind regards
Paul
Customer Technical Support
O2-UK
For information on O2-UK products and services please visit www.o2.co.uk
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Confidentiality from who? Customers?

Sounds like the staff at o2 are as in the dark as the customers! The information probably hasn't filtered down to the help desks yet so they're all giving their own version of events. Either that or they're telling us different stories on purpose to confuse us all!

I would go for the different stories theory. The reply i received was that they (O2) had no intention of releasing a free WM6 update as this OS was designed for new hardware and not backwards compatible.
I think O2 should get their act together. One hand doesn't know what the other is doing.
Hope it comes out soon. Time will tell.

I just received a call from O2, following up an enquiry on wm6 upgrade on orbit at their site www.my-xda.com. They said that nothing can be said at the moment but has asked me to enquire next month and they would have a definite answer on the matter.

Thanks T-Mobile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for your Email.
Unfortunately T_mobile will not be releasing any Windows Mobile 6 updates / upgrades, T-Mobile have released the following statement:
T-Mobile UK will be including Windows Mobile 6 on all new MDA devices that are launched starting with the MDA Touch (launched 11/07/07) and MDA Vario III in September.
The existing devices in the MDA portfolio will continue to use Windows Mobile 5 and there will be no software upgrade to Windows Mobile 6 for these devices.
T-Mobile have decided that bringing in new MDA devices that make best use of the features of Windows Mobile 6 is a better use of our resources than rolling it out on existing devices that work perfectly well with Windows Mobile 5.
You should therefore be seeing more new and exciting MDA products later in 2007 and in 2008.
I am sorry if this is not the information that you were looking for.
Best regards,
David McAnally
T-Mobile
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In other words Tough luck if you allready bought your device, You ain't gonna get WM6 from us best you use someone else's like O2's and customize it for yourself then
Shall we start a patition and bombard TMO with e-mails to customer service untill we get a better responce?

Why would you want to install a T-Mobile Rom when there are far better roms for download here?

its more the thing that they said they would do it, and now they wont.
so they will never give support on it, while almost everybody has already changed.
but screw them... i don't even want to use T-mobiles stuffed with pink **** rom

yeh but it would be nice to have a genuine backup for when you can only get to bootloader mode, and if you gotta send your phone back, or sell it

yea true say

garymeg said:
yeh but it would be nice to have a genuine backup for when you can only get to bootloader mode, and if you gotta send your phone back, or sell it
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Isn't this file, art_tmouk_11311001_024990_wwe_ship.exe, not an official T-Mobile UK file then?
I cannot test it myself because my MDAcIII is the Dutch version. I don't know also about the situation in the UK but here in Holland T-Mobile is not (yet) given users a hard time when they returned their phones for a reflash after having it bricked when trying to upgrade to WM6 (I'm talking about the pre-USPL period now). Often enough T-Mobile does it even without charging anything.

grun said:
Isn't this file, art_tmouk_11311001_024990_wwe_ship.exe, not an official T-Mobile UK file then?
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please post a link to this file as i can't find it

garymeg said:
please post a link to this file as i can't find it
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Message no. 12 in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1490485#post1490485
Besides, I suggest not to go back to WM5 when you want to sell the phone. It even might be an extra sellingpoint when it runs on WM6.