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I have just upgraded to the new WM6 PDAVIET Rom which is great, but I was wondering if we could try and figure out what the perfect rom would contain. For example TomTom, TCPMP, T9pad, or whatever. I would like to see AEButton plus which I find really opens up a realm of one handed operations.
I am just beginning to learn about rom cooking and maybe some day I'll make my own perfect rom but until then what suggestions do you have for the contents?
I'd say that perfect ROM would contain NOTHING .... meaning no extras, apart from those that are part of WM6 officially and most of HTC Applications .... a clean and mean machine.
The rest we install manually .... each to his/her own likings.
I agree. To me the perfect rom would not only not contain favorite programs and extra today themes but also would be stripped of all the other non-essential stuff like emoticons, templates, ringtones (all but one), empty folders, extra audio files, etc. All that junk could accompany the rom download in a separate folder to be added as one sees fit. In fact, my perfect rom wouldn´t contain ppt.exe, a program I´ve never once used but that takes up whopping 2.59mb.
I think I might be inclined to agree with you, but I like the idea of not having to install anything, I spent hours yesterday messing about, installing stuff copying serials and then fiddling with all the settings, I just got bored and wanted it right quickly.
So is it easy for advanced devs to build a totally clean rom? Is it possible to just package stuff up to only upgrade the ext.rom of a clean rom? so we could just choose rom, radio and ext,rom separately to individual tastes.
To get it PERFECT... make it your OWN!
Hi!
I totally agree, to make it perfect you have to make your own, but how?? I download the ROM kitchen for artemis from this tread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=310076) and it seems quite simple to cook a ROM with default packages, but how do I make my own packages from my favorite apps? Say I want to add Tomtom and Spb Mobile Shell in my ROM, how do I do that?
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Yes, veeeeery good idea!
I want to do this too but the tutorials for that seem to be hidden really well or non-existent. It really sucks to install all the programs again once you've updated to a new ROM. And I don't want a WWE ROM, I want to use my own language.
If there is a way how to find out where or how to extract .cabs to the right format then it would be possible to include them when building the OS. Maybe we have to start a big thread called "Beginners Tutorial for cooking ROMs". I'm very familiar with my computer and hardware but finding out which program to use for what and which parameters I have to enter takes up a lot of time. A few months ago I tried to install something on a server and finding out how to do this and how the program works took me two weeks, now I can do it in 30 minutes. Now I don't know much more than after those two weeks but I know how to do it faster.
We should work on this too, it's not that there absolute computer-newbies in this forum, they just don't know how to use the tools correctly, including me. But I'm willing to learn and share my knowledge.
Hi,
Last few days I've been trying a bunch of unofficial ROMs.
Here are my experience and ideas about this whole situation.
* There should be a "TIDY" ROM thread, or a wiki page, (including comparison if possible). I'm willing to start the initial work, if needed.
* More sticky threads needed, so that each team/individual can post in those threads, and that only.
What I liked best was the Diamond Project and then Dutty's "hybrid" ROM. But neither was error-free. Then I've been through totally messed-up ROMs, hardly reverted back, to the stock ROM and tweaked myself.
IMO, Those ROMs should be more "generic", so that more people can use em, and they should be avoiding "geeky, cute" graphics (salut, Diamond Project's beating-hearts ). ROMs should also be looking more "professional" (see 1.93.456.2's boot screen).
Anyway, keeping on MY ideal ROM idea, it would be great if it had these:
* OTA updates (AppToDate) looks very promising
* No personal applications (tomtom, skype, other BS games) should be included.
* Opera 9.5 b1 is out, AND AWESOME should be included.
* No TouchFlo3d Themes, PLEASE
* Should be tweaked well. (And applying whole set in the tweaks thread is not "tweaking well")
* All unnecessary stuff should be removed (incl. bunch of wavs, images)
* And yea, should be based on the latest official ROM :b
Anyway, this is my two-cents
Nice thread, thanks maybe it can help cookers to bring up what really the needs are.
So I'd like a modulable ROM, as the GM360D Lite edition. I'd like the latest core and as an Elive distro ("beta" docet ) all the last-minute nightly builds of each component.
I would be useful for developers as well as for those want check the last miiles of any package.
Anyway I guess Opera is a must have, as well as a registry editor, a PDF viewer and player (VLC or CorePlayer).
I use also SyncMate for Mac (I have a MBP) and it could be insert as default (driver is less than 40kb).
I'd like also a touchable Calendar (XDA docet ) and a VNC Client.
I can't forget the wonderful display of my Diamond then I want a stunning GUI.
Makes sense, there is a wiki page already and anyone can edit it I guess ..
Personally I would prefer Skype and Tomtom to Opera, it is not really usable on such compact device regardless of what version it is ..
Good idea....imo, it should be a thread with all the "slang" for ROM flashing....for some newcomers (like me) words like SPL or RUU sound scary...
You are the first, (wanted to write the similar
Absolutely agree!
By me, I prefer "lite" line. More choice for user's fantasy
Impossible to make "universal" image.
Duttys_Diamond_HybridV1 my choice at last moment. The fastest & stable enough. Very smart programs list. But... not ideal, of course.
May the best way - this scheme, aka "modular":
"kernel" - the minimalist image;
"modules" - list of optimized programs for this image.
"tweaks" - .regs for image or program.
So....
i like CLEAN ROMS without any Additional programms (like youtube, googlemaps...) and NO TF3D , and provide all them in CAB files so u can instal any 1 u like manually or per UC!
The thing is, every single person wants something different from the roms, thats why theres so many different cooks who make different roms and even different versions of those roms but you can never satisfy everyone.
I do a lot of work on Vista Sidebar gadgets, i start off making a gadget for myself, then i decide to release it purely so the wider community can enjoy it too. Then I get a few people who want an odd feature or two so I put it in because it'll make them happy. Then by the time everything is said and done people are moaning at you because you put in too many things and it's bloated and doesn't do EXACTLY what every user wants. I imagine this is a similar scenario to what the cooks here go through.
I don't really have a point, but I guess I'm trying to say is be grateful of the Devs, it's not easy trying to please everyone and what you want isn't necessarily what others will want.
I do agree with the idea of basic and lite roms though, they allow the devs to make optimised roms and the user to install whatever apps they want.
hertc said:
Makes sense, there is a wiki page already and anyone can edit it I guess ..
Personally I would prefer Skype and Tomtom to Opera, it is not really usable on such compact device regardless of what version it is ..
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Well, actually what I meant was that applications like Skype, Tomtom, or other installable applications should not be included
Btw, I wasn't expecting this much "good" replies.
I hope cooks -especially Diamond Project members- will hear those comments.
I completely agree. It's like building your own computer and catering it to however you see fits vs. buying a pre-built computers with a bunch of unneeded software taking up spaces (im not discrediting cookers with their own unique ROM! They did a fantastic job!). If someone could baked a fast, barebone ROM and give users the choices of installing their own programs, that'll be fantastic.
i think all of us agree to have a stable ROM with biggest Storage and RAM, and that can be reached only with CLEAN ROMs.
I have 1 question, is it Possible to have a ROM Package which ask u before Flashing starts, which Softwares do u want to include? an Interface with a list of programms to un/check? just a thought!
Hi there,
I'm new to the Diamond and I'm looking for a bare/naked ROM. I searched the forum but the staggering list of ROMs is overwhelming me.
I'm using SPB Shell I don't need TF3D. I also don't need all the other programs because I'll only install the ones I need as cabs afterwards. So I'm basically looking for a bare ROM that only contains the necessary drivers (if such things are needed) for all the features of the Diamond (and useful Tweaks) but without all the 3rd party software (HTC TF3D, HTC album, Adobe etc etc.
I made the observation (with my S110 and X500) that those bare ROMs are the most responsive and fastest and leave as much room as possible for programs you really want and need.
I hope you understand what I'm looking for and can give me a hint as which ROM to look.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=498873
Thank you very much. This is what I was searching for. Does this also support the g-sensor and ati?
yeah, i think this ROM can support all , now i'm checking this ROM, i hope, hope and hope ...
I don't want to sound disrespectul and admire the hard work the rom cookers put into their creations. But most of those roms are not for me.
I for one don't use most of the oem and bundles software - heck, I don't even ust TF3D - but rely on my own software I bought over the years. Those are small, efficient tools instead of the overly bloated programs that are todays standard. I'm a big fan of SPB Mobile Shell (the latest 2 version, not the 3 version), it's very fast and does consume only minimal RAM compared to TF3D.
I don't even use MMS, I use email. That's why most of the roms are overly bloated for my need and I appreciate a naked rom that is based on an up to date official rom. I have to depend on my device and I'm often unsure what hidden bugs may lie deep inside those heavily modified roms.
I've been flashing a fair few ROMs in the past week or so, and I've come to the realisation that I like two ROMs more than any others: Josh's M2DLite, and CRC's 13.4 release.
Frustratingly, there's just a couple of things wrong with each release that leave me stuck and unable to choose between them... I have a couple of recurring problems with Manila 2D (it sometimes crashes out when I try to load an email which is accessed through the Seven.com system, and I can't change the clock to be a digital clock instead of analogue hands). There's also some remaining small problems with memory usage, plus for some reason my install of M2DLite stopped allowing me to install new CABs ("installation unsuccessful").
By contrast, CRC's 13.4 release is almost perfect - the stock, basic WM Today screen, with a lovely plain black theme. It has Device Update and a load of nice extras. However, it doesn't ship with the option to install and run M2D (the more I used it, the more I slowly came to like it).
As a result, I feel like I'm 90% close to finding the perfect ROM. I hate all the ROMs with gaudy themes or colour presets, but frustratingly some of those ROMs look quite appealing, aside from those annoying customisations. I'm really at a loss as to which ROM is ideal for the person who prefers the minimalist, discreet look, but wants all the regular stuff like 3G dialer, HSDPA, Internet Sharing and MMS to work without a hitch.
What ROM have you guys settled on? Did you try loads, but then find one which you think is perfect (maybe after a little bit of customisation)? I'd love to hear your thoughts. WM6, WM6.1 and WM6.5 ROMs are all eligibile.
All of the reasons you stated, is exactly why I started cooking my own. I always found things I disliked about every rom I flashed.
utak3r released his darkvisions 4 kitchen, and it is a very nice base to build on for 6.1.
With your own rom, you can have your cake and eat it too, after a bit of trial and error.
That was something else I was contemplating... I have pretty much no idea where to start with cooking my own from a kitchen; you say utak3r's DV4 is a good base? I considered trying one of his ROMs but didn't like some of the modifications he'd done (naff-looking dialer, etc)
How long did it take until you got to where you wanted to be with your own custom ROM?
At first I felt like I was never going to get there! lol
I'm still playing with things and tweaking little things, I'm not the pro like the other guys here, so it takes me a bit longer. But I'll just to little changes and flash it to the phone, too many big changes at once makes it tough to troubleshoot a problem.
I'm back to tweaking and testing on utak3r's kitchen, I have a kitchen from josh all set up the way I want it, but, cooking is addictive.
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I considered trying one of his ROMs but didn't like some of the modifications he'd done (naff-looking dialer, etc)
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That's what this kitchen is for You can select your own desired apps (and the dialer, too).
Ooo, interesting... So, what does one need to download and install (aside from the kitchen) to get set up and cook with one of your kitchens?
Nothing - it contains all you need Maybe .Net and some runtimes - but you could have it already...
Ah, I tried your kitchen - there's some nice stuff in there, but unfortunately no Connection Setup (had to configure manually but I knew the data connection settings anyway). I did notice that the Contacts softkey was labeled as Kontakty, even though I'd made sure NOT to select the PL language option...
Aside from that, it was a pretty nice way to quickly customise ROM options. What's the best way to cook in new CABs? I noticed a lot of stuff in the OEM folder, but as well as what looked like the installed contents of CABs I saw a lot of other custom configuration files...
Glad to see you got it up and running quickly!
Here is cab2oem and package creator all in one zip.
cab to oem is drag and drop, and package creator is easy enough to figure out!
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cab to oem is drag and drop, and package creator is easy enough to figure out!
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true - although one have to keep in mind it doesn't work in some cases! It's a good starting point, but sometimes you have to manually create proper rgus and initflashfiles.
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true - although one have to keep in mind it doesn't work in some cases! It's a good starting point, but sometimes you have to manually create proper rgus and initflashfiles.
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You are right! I am about to attempt to see if I can edit/create one of my own. I wan't to see if I can make it work before I start asking for help on it though.
I have one program that won't properly make an oem with either of those programs. It's close, but missing something.
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I have one program that won't properly make an oem with either of those programs. It's close, but missing something.
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Check the files installed (including all the links) and check carefully the registry. I strongly advice you to use CeRegEditor, the best PPC registry editor on PC that exists (Polish product ) - you can make an image of the reg before installing it and compare it after - that way you can have all the registry changes were made.
Hello I am Necrolytic, a grindcore musician and graphic artist from Northern CA. I have been lurking here for over 9 months and just registered a month or so ago.... post one ha.
I run Josh's V15 M2D after seriously smashing through every rom 6.1 or higher on the top 4 pages, if not for one reason... It came loaded with crap and it actually works. In my short but insightful adventures with WinMo Roms I have found that bloated Roms are usually unstable or sluggish on my Hermes...a complete fail.
I ripped quite a few ROMS apart, checking to see what actually made the roms different or "better" from one another. Learning through reverse engineering and tinkering.
Skinning a common build and auto installing your own bloated playlist of .cab files shouldn't be considered Rom Cooking... that is just how I feel. I mean at least do something creative with the htchome coding and/or exclusive features... something.
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Hello I am Necrolytic, a grindcore musician and graphic artist from Northern CA. I have been lurking here for over 9 months and just registered a month or so ago.... post one ha.
I run Josh's V15 M2D after seriously smashing through every rom 6.1 or higher on the top 4 pages, if not for one reason... It came loaded with crap and it actually works. In my short but insightful adventures with WinMo Roms I have found that bloated Roms are usually unstable or sluggish on my Hermes...a complete fail.
I ripped quite a few ROMS apart, checking to see what actually made the roms different or "better" from one another. Learning through reverse engineering and tinkering.
Skinning a common build and auto installing your own bloated playlist of .cab files shouldn't be considered Rom Cooking... that is just how I feel. I mean at least do something creative with the htchome coding and/or exclusive features... something.
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Hello, and welcome to the forum!
Not sure if your directing your comment toward the op, or someone else. But that's kinda the way the thread is going. Leading someone towards the path of cooking their own rom.
There will be more for him to do than load a playlist of cabs!
There are all those little settings you like to have. All the programs you want, cooked in, not installed via cab, they will be there no matter what. Any theme you want, and today plugins you want, and in any order you want on the today screen. You can add/remove anything you want.
That's what most of the custom roms on this site are, the rom that the cook runs on their own phone (for the most part). Some cooks are doing custom roms for the community, but I bet they run that rom, or their own cooked variant.
I'm also hoping this thread will inspire more flashers to become cooks, maybe even you!
I am by no means a pro in the kitchen, I don't want to make it sound like I am. But I am getting by, and I love the roms I have cooked. If you think testing all the roms on the site is addictive, just wait till you cook a few roms, and debug, change settings, and cook those settings back into your own rom! then you'll really be hooked. I have been tempted to pick up a second hermes just for cooking and testing! haha
Guys i'm looking for clean wwe rom with wm 6.5 and manilla 3d 2.5 .I'm looking for some few day already and I couldn't find one. Please recomend me one . tnks in advance
me too, .
I am also looking for a ROM that isn't loaded with unwanted applications. I have tried four so far and each one has an app that I can't update or remove. I just want to be able to pick what I want and just what I want. So far my searches have come up with nothing, are there any roms either out there or in development that are just the OS and nothing else?
I agree. What I seek is a straight and clean stable build of 6.5 with no frills or HTC customizations.
so , i see i'm the only one who wants to use clean roms. Is there somebody who can cook already cooked rom but without odd programs. Just the programs which are included in original HTC roms and may some with help the devices to work proper with new manila 2.5.
6.5
Hello,
As far as I can see, there are some modern, clean 6.5 builds without HTC customizations, see the forums.
What we are looking for here is a 6.5 build with Manila 2.5 and its associated HTC apps just if It was a recently bought new terminal.
If the HTC pictures seen those days are real, I think they have RTMed with 6.5 builds and not with 6.5.1 buils (see start at the top and thick bottom bar). I think this is more convenient for Manila...
Regards
I think if its possible to make something like categories witch separates different rom types. For example clean, with one kind of nesasary programs and another kind witch are custom made like where are added different themes and additional programs. May be somebody can add a new post where they are discribed and add links to the post where the roms are added. So , if somebody wonders witch one to choose will have them in one place and will not be forced to search several pages.
Many clean ROMs have "CLEAN" in their thread name. So... does it ring any bells? If you search the "Diamond ROM developement" for, um, lets say the phrase "CLEAN 6.5", and check the "search only in title" (or sth like that), it should be enough to find clean 6.5 roms.
As for the manila 2.5, as i know, it's still in developement (which you should know, if you bothered to dedicate 30 minutes to reading the only two threads including "manila 2.5" in their title), and there are ONLY TWO (2) roms with manila 2.5. One is 6.1(Sun.Y) and the other is 6.5(Sun.X).
Oh...and yes..there is a search function on this forum Did i point that out already?
EDIT: Oh...and there is Eugenia rom, which actualy uses work from the Sun project...as far as i know. Correct me if needed..
I'm sure not only me and the others used search and read the forum for nice rom . But the most roms even clean ones have program witch are not useful for some of us and use additional memory. Otherwise I totally agree with you - there is still i think a lot of time until we see proper manilla 2.5 working on our diamonds. cheers
Well. My advice on searching roms is: Look only in the first two or three pages, beacuse those roms are actively updated. When it says [FINAL] in the rom topic title, that's even better. If you are looking for a stable and fast rom, try to avoid BETA releases (altough, some work pretty well). As for ram consumption... 6.1 roms are (from my experience) more ram friendly than 6.5 rom. BUT a 6.5 rom with titanium enabled is more ram efficient than a 6.1 rom with Manila 2.1. Also, big ram consumera are non-WM default dialers. They can take up to 10-12mb of RAM. You can disable them, and enable the default WM dialer (search the threads...it can be done via CAB or AdvancedConfig), but that brings problems while using manila 2.1 (and 2.5 i think). Don't worry too much about "unuseful" preinstalled software on [CLEAN] roms, beacuse well they can take up some space on your phone memory, but usualy don't eat RAM, unless you run them.
I actually don't use CLEAN roms, beacuse i find some medium loaded roms more usefull (see my signature). With my rom i have no problem running IGO8 or listening to mp3(s2p) while surfing the net with opera. And that is while i get around 74% used RAM after a day of usage (62-65% on clean boot). RAM is meant to be used, and don't get frightened if it sometimes jumps up to 80% (a friend of mine has 11mb of free ram on an Ipgone 3g, and that thing still flies...beacuse it actuall uses ram (efficiently!!)).
My 2 cents. I hope it helps you find the right rom.
EDIT: oh, and CleanRam is a pretty useful app... (on level 2 or 3)
thanks a lot for this full answer mate I hope it will be useful not only for me, but for everyone who needs help about looking for new rom.
I've settled for BsB for the moment (the 6.5 variant).