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Well, it's been fun.
It was renewal day this weekend, here in the UK as many of you will know all our handsets are subsidised by the network operators. Therefore every so often we have the chance to "upgrade" our handsets, it is a merry dance. Once "out of contract", we can change operators, switch price plans, and get a new handset for "free" or a combination of any of these. It can all be rather confusing, but the long and the short of it is that I can get a shiny new piece of kit, so it's great.
Anyway, I've had the vario II on t-mobile in the UK for one year and now it's been chopped so I thought I'd leave my thoughts. It was good. Obviously I flashed it with jasjamming and more recently schaps plus several others. I reckon I flashed it probably 50 times, reinstalled settings and apps, a compulsive tinkerer I suppose!
Pros...
Full keyboard
High Speed Data on t-mobile was good and genuinely useful
TomTom 6 (with ext. gps receiver purchased on ebay for 30 quid)
Useable web browser (just)
Customisable with firmware flashing!
Amazing forum here full of helpful people
Cons...
BATTERY LIFE (it's appalling, there is no getting away from it)
Heavy as a hod of bricks
Form factor (too big)
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So what did I go for...
Nokia 6120 Classic.
wtf nokia 6120?!
Nothing like going back to the dark ages
you should have held out for a couple of months and got one of these
http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_htctouch_dual.htm
I myself have bought a new N95 8GB as my second phone.
Bingobob,
Good luck to you. You made the choice you want and that's all that matters. Never quite sure why people think that what they would buy/get is what everyone else should buy/get!
What did you do with the t-mobile device then? Sell it or is it up for sale?
WB
that's the thing, not sure. Flash it with something I suppose and/or use it as a TomTom or ebay it. not sure.
Well if you fancy offloading it and its not too expensive, PM me. I am assuming its in good condition? Also assuming that its unlocked, etc, and you have all the bits for it?
Cheers
WB
It;s also for me the end..
I bought a Nokia N95.
Ciao, Good Bye
Each to their own. Personally I have to stay with touch screen phones... from here it will be the Kaiser or some variant down the line...
Same here, I love touch screens.
Although I'm very happy with my hermes I'm waiting for the the touch cruise.
Well, I'm waiting for a 3G iPhone, no more WM6 device I think.
Same here, when there's a good offer for the iphone I'll ditch the HTC. But as for 3G, that's only a vague rumor, I wouldn't count on it.
I could never go back to a non-Windows phone.
Especially for a Nokia or an iPhone.
I've played with various Nokias over the years and I think that they are the worst mobiles out of any I've ever touched.
As for the iPhone, over-hyped, over-priced, and under-developed.
I'm HTC's ***** now.
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Same here, when there's a good offer for the iphone I'll ditch the HTC. But as for 3G, that's only a vague rumor, I wouldn't count on it.
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They have to make one with 3G or it will not sell in Europe. Also needs mms.
i switched to IPHONE. and i am very stisfied.
i watched this forum for quite a while, but however you will patch the hermes, it will never come even near to the iphone. everybody tries to construct iphone-like UIs. so why not take the original one?
peter
I've moved from my TyTN to an iPhone. I can't see myself going back to the TyTN anytime soon either.
iPhone ist great for design (friggin awesome btw ) and "OS" only (included internet browsing) it's really neat and user friendly.
Otherwise all the rest is total crap, most of the time technology wise
No 3G (TyTN has 3G+) a heresy for a phone that want's to be "multimedia"
Camera 2megapixel (same as TyTN, crap for both )
Bad autonomy (i'm connected on 3G with BBC on all the time for straight 34h without any problems)
No email downloading possible or push mail
So if apple re-considers and brings out a phone that has all those abilities yeah I would gladly change. Moreover, BBC or something equivalent is for me top priority
what do you think about the new htc touch cruise...?
The Iphone is personally not for me. I want to customize the phone when I want to.
Also no 3G is really a deal braker for me.
As to the UI I admit MS has something to learn from Apple but other then that no thank you.
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The Iphone is personally not for me. I want to customize the phone when I want to.
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That's the cool thing, you actually can. What interests me and has drawn me to WM was the ability to fiddle with it, do a bunch of hacks and tweaks etc. However, while the thing is very flexible and powerful it's "unusable". 3 seconds to exit from sleep, up to 5-10 after opening the keyboard to let it rotate screen and become responsive again, ...
Once you've tried internet browsing on the iPhone / iPod touch you just realise that WM's IE even with addons is pretty much the worst thing you could think of, only to be used in last resort, while I can be nearly as effective on the iphone than on my PC...
Guys are developing apps for the iphone at the same rate than here on WM6, and having a full Unix-based OS allows for even a LOT more possibilities than a mobile Windows version...
The lack of 3G is indeed a pain. But then, when I use it on my HTC it's by using it as a modem for the laptop, as there's no way to actually make use of it on the device itself...
If there was an official news saying that the European one would have 3G I'd wait. But I'm not dreaming and know there is VERY little chance. We'll know soon, as France will have them in a few days. But for now, the imported ones are selling like hot cakes, suppliers are getting out of stock all the time and prices go up as they have difficulties sourcing them. So I don't think not having 3G will bother anyone. Especially with the sky-high prices for mobile internet around Europe.
My mind is made up, I need this phone. And I need it as soon as it hits US Shores (well maybe not immediately, a month after the launch it usually shows up online for 50 bucks.)
But what will I do about one of the best features on my Touch Pro? The Flash!! I was just using it now as I was checking out the storm outside - without thinking!! Hit the PTT button, nueLight pops open, smash the bright button, and I'm good to go.
So... possible to install a flash onto the Touch Pro 2? Like maybe something mechanical that just lives on the back of the phone? Or some kind of handheld keychain light that is close to the power of the Touch Pro's LED Light?
I'm really upset by this one. More upset than losing the Front Facing Camera in the US. My only hope is AT&T puts it in like they do with the keyboard and PTT button (yeah not gonna happen I know)
*cries*
you can use one of the ~100 display -light applications out there...
displaying a white screen, at maximum brightness...
I too will miss the flashlight aspect, but for taking pictures it doesn't do jack.
i don't know guys. we know that HTC is playing us by removing these features. I've actually been playing close attention to acer m900 reviews on pocketnow.com because it has basically the same or better specs than the touch pro 2, and it had the U.S. 3G bands, and its cheaper to buy off of clove right now. I hated e-ten products, so I'm curious to see if Acer made e-ten any better. The only scarey thing is leaving wonderful supportive arms of xda-dev.
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i don't know guys. we know that HTC is playing us by removing these features. I've actually been playing close attention to acer m900 reviews on pocketnow.com because it has basically the same or better specs than the touch pro 2, and it had the U.S. 3G bands, and its cheaper to buy off of clove right now. I hated e-ten products, so I'm curious to see if Acer made e-ten any better. The only scarey thing is leaving wonderful supportive arms of xda-dev.
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It's an interesting device, especially the fingerprint scanner (/dpad/mouse ). Pocketnow noted the cheap feel of the construction (thank you eten) their unboxing and hardware tour (new this morning), and despite their early opinion, I'm pretty sure I'm going to like the TP2's keyboard better (use Fn to get comma and period ). And of course, no TF3D. This will be my first winmo, and TF3D is the bait in the trap. It's a dealbreaker for me.
But I don't plan on buying a TP2 on day 1, I plan on waiting for a price decrease, so it's to my benefit if other TP2 lovers jump ship for the competition as it will put more price pressure on HTC.
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So... possible to install a flash onto the Touch Pro 2? Like maybe something mechanical that just lives on the back of the phone? Or some kind of handheld keychain light that is close to the power of the Touch Pro's LED Light?
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This may be just what you're looking for:
http://www.phonephlash.com/meet.html
Never tried, but found it when I was considering getting a touch hd. Good luck.
Heh, that's a unique item. I wonder if I could... fit it under the case somehow...
And yeah, I wouldn't trust a non-HTC smartphone at this rate unless it's the iPhone, and I can't use a phone without a keyboard or multitasking. XDA is also such a great, practically life saving group that I couldn't imagine what it would be like to be sitting blindly in Windows Mobile world, wondering why the hell my phone is so slow.
<3 XDA
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(well maybe not immediately, a month after the launch it usually shows up online for 50 bucks.)
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uhhh. 50 dollars? iiiii think not. look at the G1, its not even down from 150. oh, nevermind, its 149.99. My point being, i highly doubt the TP2 will sell for 50 after a month, even with a contract. not in the US, anyway, idk about other countries. but, i think youre dreaming a little. Start saving your money! i know i am. :].
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uhhh. 50 dollars? iiiii think not. look at the G1, its not even down from 150. oh, nevermind, its 149.99. My point being, i highly doubt the TP2 will sell for 50 after a month, even with a contract. not in the US, anyway, idk about other countries. but, i think youre dreaming a little. Start saving your money! i know i am. :].
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I'm prepared to wait 6-12 months , but I'm hopeful that because the TP2 is releasing right on the cusp of a technology hop--with the snapdragon pushing the speed limit quite a bit, and with a number of direct competitors like the m900 and n97 and x2 and with a lot of similar buns in other ovens--the TP2 won't take as long to succomb to price pressures. The only problem is, it's an incredible phone, so if there's any justice in the world for HTC, the price should start climb after launch, not fall. I'm anti-justice for this particular round.
$50 is pie in the sky, but I assume he was going for hyperbole. I imagine Amazon will have it down at least $100 off whatever the initial 2 year contract price starts out as within 6 months. In a year, it might well drop within spitting distance of $150 total--where the Fuze was last I checked.
I actually plan on going prepaid, so I have no intention of signing a new contract. So a lot of those price drops won't help me. Still I'm hoping it debuts w/o contract at an even $700 (around what Clove charges) and drops to $550-600 in 6 months or less.
My last phone was the TP1 and I loved the flashlight. Two weeks ago I bought the TP2 and never noticed the lack of flashlight. Today I tried to make a picture in the dark and couldn't find the flashlight option, now I know why
I love my Dash, and I'm not going to shun it away once I get a new phone. But I am with T-mobile right now and I'm due for a handset upgrade.
Do you guys think that I should get an Android phone (G1 or MyTouch3G) or the Touch Pro 2? I'm leaning towards the Touch Pro 2 which is rumored to come out on the 22nd of July for T-mobile USA.
I'm not a fan of Android. I woul definately go for the tp2.
Go for TP2!!
Have a look on rhodium section to see how happy users are
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Go for TP2!!
Have a look on rhodium section to see how happy users are
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Yea thats what I did but there aren't that many people on that section yet. I'm sure that it will grow though. The only problem I have with the TP2 is the 3.5mm headphone jack... Why htc, WHY?????
Ehh, I'd rather not have ANOTHER hole in my phone.
I have an adapter anyways so no biggie for me.
I expect to get in the day it's released for TMO, because I am also ready for an upgrade, unless of course, you know, PSP phone xD
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Yea thats what I did but there aren't that many people on that section yet. I'm sure that it will grow though. The only problem I have with the TP2 is the 3.5mm headphone jack... Why htc, WHY?????
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There are many experienced users, like beasty, have a look on his posts and threads.
Yes agree with 3.5mm very bad HTC
Anyway we are on Excalibur section
Android could be a good option in a few years, now is not mature yet...
As a Dash user (and previous G1 owner), I have some pretty strong feelings about the Android OS -- primarily that, in my opinion, it fails in several ways. For media, "schwanky-factor", and other non-essential purposes, it's likely better than a WM6.1 (or 6.5) enabled Dash. For things like making phone calls, Exchange support, and quick-usage, I would argue that the Dash is better -- even after all these years.
Here are some of my thoughts (from my blog):
http://yipcanjo.wordpress.com/tag/g1/
Having migrated back to my Dash a few months ago, I got to use my brother's (Cupcake-enabled) G1 about two weeks ago. I was instantly reminded of what I disliked about that phone. Android has a ways to go.
Personally... I'm VERY MUCH looking forward to the Touch2. Bring it on, T-Mobile! We're tired of waiting on you guys!!!!!
for me, it was about the price. Im not sure what the price point will be for the TP2, (guessing around the $249 to $299 range) but i just picked up a G1 from tmobile.com for an upgrade for $49.99.... w-no rebates. all instant savings yesterday! i told someone that for me ( cuz i've used the g1 first hand) the two phones are like two hot chicks that both want me.... either one i pick... i win!
I can't wait for July 22nd. I think that the Touch Pro2 is my best bet. However I wish that T-mobile will not change its styling. I really liked the chrome on the outside. Ugh, I hate it when carriers ruin stuff just to be 'unique'. I dunno, I won't know for sure until I go to T-mobile and try it out though.
And yipcanjo thanks for you blog post. I found it very informative.
Maybe HTC will blow us off our feet with their announcement tomorrow though, right?
I cannot for the life of me decide which HTC phone to buy, previously I've had the following:
O2 XDA - Decent at the time
Blackjack II (Samsung) - decent phone
HTC TyTN II - Awesome business platform but too bulky
Nokia E71 - Best of the lot but hated Symbian OS (missed Win Mobile)
I want to buy one of the new HTC phones but I cannot for the life of me decide which one, it needs to last me a good 18 months and something I'll settle with and enjoy everyday I use it, stuff I'll be doing with it:
1. Emails - Googlemail, Microsoft Exchange, Hotmail
2. SMS - Will really need an unlimited SMS contract
3. MMS
4. Decent Facebook/Twitter/LinkedIn integration
5. Opera browser
6. Windows Mobile 6.5 (looks great)
7. Live messenger
8. Movies
9. MP3/Music
10. PDF's/Docs/Powerpoint (view only, not much editing)
11. Remote Desktop/Putty in worst case scenario
12. Shared internet
Ok what do you guys think?
Stunno I know you asked in another thread about the TP2, what do you think about it honestly now the novelty has worn off (if it has!)?
I cant imagine the Diamond 2 being up to the task of loads of typing, but I really like the look of it, but the more I look at what I need the TP2 ticks every single one of those boxes.
At the same time I'm loving the look of the HTC Hero (android) and would wait for that if it could also tick the above!
Damn this is hard to choose.
Also what the best place to get this phone in the UK? I was thinking MPD, is it worth phoning Vodafone after I have bought one to try to improve the contract? (I think some of you guys have done it)
But ultimately which damn phone should I buy! lol cheers
Gonna get one ordered tonight hopefully if I can decide.
Doubt you'll get any bad feedback in here about the Rhodium.
As far as I can tell everyone is extremely happy with theirs so far (par the odd faulty unit owners )
By far the best HTC Device I've ever owned (Par my Uni but it's a very close call)
Read through Shingers thread (if you haven't allready), it really is a stunningly impressive work of art, the hardware and OS integration is a first for HTC, the stock Rom is amazing, the screen is bright, vibrant and crystal clear, the keyboard has nicely spaced well sized keys (although not as good as Unis) and the tilt function feels much more solid than the Kaiser.
Forget the Topaz, the Rhodium blows it away
Cheers,
Beasty
I cannot make your decisions for you but my thoughts so far are:
Looking back over my Winmo phones, the one that I remember most fondly is the Wizard (Tmobile Vario). I loved that phone! Don't know why, it was big heavy and slow, but it didn't seem to matter at the time (I was gutted when I dropped it on a concrete floor and shattered the screen)
The TP2 is better in every way than the Wizard, and is the best Winmo phone that I have used, although it isn't perfect yet. I have a Vodafone branded phone and have had a few niggles due to the branding, or rather due to the removal of the branding. Oh and I have other niggle, my email always shows a new email even when there isn't one!
My only criticism would be that it is BIG! Which may be just because I have upgraded from a Diamond, which was tiny. If they could get the screen, keyboard and battery life in the Diamond's form factor I would sell one of my kids for it! (Actually I wouldn't. It would take two of them to get the phone )
I have only tried a few of the applications/uses that you have listed
1. Email, Exchange, Gmail work perfectly
8. Divx TV episodes work fine with Coreplayer
9. Only used the TF3D player and have had no problems at all (I don't mind the stock headphones, I must have funny shaped ears)
I've had a play on the G1 and am not a fan of the OS, yet, it seems thrown together somehow. But then again I'm not a great fan of Linux either for similar reasons
I think my Voda contract worked out cheaper than MPD (although I have the dreaded branding)
My advice?
Go to a Vodafone shop and try one! If you can live with the size then this seems to be the best phone out there at the moment
Really interesting question....
I would add, if you are LUCKY enough to find a shop that has a TP2. I went looking today, and
a) VF Business Centre: No demos, only to order.
b)Orange: No Stock yet although not discrimination tween business and personal customer.
c) T-Mobile - Nothing yet; End of July.
I am also looking for a professional device with very similar reqs to yours. I was looking at the Tytyn11, but took too long over it and so the TP2 seems a logical choice. However it is VERY NEW and it still has s/w compatibility issues like LogMeIn support etc. I have heard some of the issues are related to the high res screen. However, having talked to a number of people the TP2 does seem to be a de facto business device so I am thinking that if I am going to commit to a 24 month contract then I am better off doing it with something like the TP2 which I can grow into as the problems get solved rather than get something that will be obsolete asap.
I have also looked at MPD and fine and dandy if you want a unbranded phone, but the deal is not as good as VF's IMO especially when quidco included. Also I question whether I would get a replacement mobile as quickly from HTC as VF. Perhaps I would ......
And finally the keyboard.... If you need this then that rules out a lot of options. I do.
Just thoughts, and best of luck matey...
Back to my glass of wine in the courtyard enjoying the warm sun go down !!!
Sam
Thanks all
Stunno, appreciate you replying to my questions.
I'm still undecided, I would love to buy the TP2 and get it tomorrow but I'm still not sure, the keyboard is a big deal - I think I'd definately use it heavily, I did with my old TyTN 2.
Yesterday I went to two different Voda shops (business) and none had it in stock, one girl didnt even know what it was (lol).
Right now I'm down to these:
1. iPhone 3GS - bit of a gimmick though and too expensive, but I got to try it and although the functionality looks quite thin (I had an Ipod Touch so the interface novelty wore off) its a nice phone, dont think it will suit my needs.
2. HTC Hero - I like android and what its trying to achieve, I also love Linux (my job) but I do NOT like the way the device is shaped - nightmare in the pocket.
3. HTC Diamond 2 - The more I look at the reviews the more this phone is top of my list, BUT the only issue is the touch keypad, I just think it wont be good enough, I dont know.
4. Samsung Omnia HD - Amazing phone, but not a big fan of Symbian, was almost tempted to buy this until I read about the codec issues with the sound recording and Samsung stance on fixing it.
5. Samsung Omnia Pro - ????
Decisions decisions, so many damn phones!
Final question, did anybody here order from MPD on a Friday (contract) and get the phone saturday???
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Thanks all
Stunno, appreciate you replying to my questions.
I'm still undecided, I would love to buy the TP2 and get it tomorrow but I'm still not sure, the keyboard is a big deal - I think I'd definately use it heavily, I did with my old TyTN 2.
Yesterday I went to two different Voda shops (business) and none had it in stock, one girl didnt even know what it was (lol).
Right now I'm down to these:
1. iPhone 3GS - bit of a gimmick though and too expensive, but I got to try it and although the functionality looks quite thin (I had an Ipod Touch so the interface novelty wore off) its a nice phone, dont think it will suit my needs.
2. HTC Hero - I like android and what its trying to achieve, I also love Linux (my job) but I do NOT like the way the device is shaped - nightmare in the pocket.
3. HTC Diamond 2 - The more I look at the reviews the more this phone is top of my list, BUT the only issue is the touch keypad, I just think it wont be good enough, I dont know.
4. Samsung Omnia HD - Amazing phone, but not a big fan of Symbian, was almost tempted to buy this until I read about the codec issues with the sound recording and Samsung stance on fixing it.
5. Samsung Omnia Pro - ????
Decisions decisions, so many damn phones!
Final question, did anybody here order from MPD on a Friday (contract) and get the phone saturday???
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Just to add to the mix - Omnia 2 has started to get some coverage...
Yeah I noticed that too mate, the Omnia Pro?
Coming July, but still, there are many many bugs with the HD version (it maybe Symbian based but...) which puts me off.
I think I am going for the TP2, though my brain is telling me to wait a month or two.
without being device specific what I see is the need for you to do a lot of typing so i would recommend something with a great keyboard. Rhodium certainly has that
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a) VF Business Centre: No demos, only to order.
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To order, yes, but if you call up their upgrade line and be doubtful at them, they'll tell you that if you're not happy with it you can send it back within 7 days with no quibbles... That might only be relevant to current customers mind, and distance selling regs don't apply if you go to a store. I called them up just over a week ago since I was out of contract and had one delivered the next day. A friend got the HTC Magic on the same deal the same day, and another friend has an iPhone so we were able to compare the three phones over a number of days of real use. I kept the TP2... It works well enough, there are a couple of very minor niggles, but most of those are to do with Windows Mobile (and being new to it so expecting things to work in a slightly different way) rather than the phone itself.
Steve.
SuperAdvan said:
Thanks all
Stunno, appreciate you replying to my questions.
I'm still undecided, I would love to buy the TP2 and get it tomorrow but I'm still not sure, the keyboard is a big deal - I think I'd definately use it heavily, I did with my old TyTN 2.
Yesterday I went to two different Voda shops (business) and none had it in stock, one girl didnt even know what it was (lol).
Right now I'm down to these:
1. iPhone 3GS - bit of a gimmick though and too expensive, but I got to try it and although the functionality looks quite thin (I had an Ipod Touch so the interface novelty wore off) its a nice phone, dont think it will suit my needs.
2. HTC Hero - I like android and what its trying to achieve, I also love Linux (my job) but I do NOT like the way the device is shaped - nightmare in the pocket.
3. HTC Diamond 2 - The more I look at the reviews the more this phone is top of my list, BUT the only issue is the touch keypad, I just think it wont be good enough, I dont know.
4. Samsung Omnia HD - Amazing phone, but not a big fan of Symbian, was almost tempted to buy this until I read about the codec issues with the sound recording and Samsung stance on fixing it.
5. Samsung Omnia Pro - ????
Decisions decisions, so many damn phones!
Final question, did anybody here order from MPD on a Friday (contract) and get the phone saturday???
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You don't mention the N97 for some reason. When I was deciding on my upgrade I ended up with a straight choice between the TP2 and the N97 as I had decided that a keyboard was a must.
The TP2 won out because of several points WM being the most obvious (I've had loads of WM phones and am used to it) and Tomtom being the clincher ( I have a shockingly bad sense of direction which, incidentally, has been made much worse by Tomtom but at least I don't get lost now)
If it is down to TP2 v TD2 then it is simply a choice between keyboard v size
There are loads of shops with the TD2 in stock. Give it a go
EDIT: Vodafone gave me 7 days to return the phone if I didn't like it. IIRC Order by 2pm for delivery next day
I just received my TP2 yesterday. I brought it from MPD on payg voda which was £453 - it comes unlocked and unbranded so I chucked my o2 sim right in.
I as well as many others had a tough choise to make - I research everything to death before I buy them, and I have to say on most occasions when I do commit and buy, its a disappointment.
However now using the TP2 it has exceeded all my expectations from all reviews I read and video's I watched (probably 100+).
The stock rom is fantastic, very fluid, very productive and hides nearly all the standard windows mobile interface (only having to see it when using explorer).
I don't expect I can change your mind by this post, but what I will say is that once you actually have it in your hand you will understand why everyone here rants on about it. I compared it to my friends HD last night and the rom beats the HD rom in terms of speed and features, and the quality of the product itself is astounding.
Couple this with the future release of WM6.5, flash 10 for WM in Oct (beta), and HTC Sense release - you have a phone that should last you 18 months - after all, I don't think we will see WM7 on phones till the end of next year, so then is when you can upgrade again.
I haven't tried the TD2 or Samsung HD i900 (or whatever they called it now), but picking between this and the TD2 comes down whether you need a keyboard, or if you like things as small and compact as possible.
Let us know how you get on - keep trying to find a place to try it out
Sounds good - I am very tempted to just pay out for the SIM free as you did since most of the contracts on there incurr extra charge for daily surfing, my existing T-Mobile contract is up for renewal and does NOT incurr extra surfing charges, its also only £22!
I am tempted to renew it and see if I can get a better deal on unlimited texts and buy the phone SIM free from MPD or Expansys.
Definately the Rhodium... or wait for the Omnia Pro
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Sounds good - I am very tempted to just pay out for the SIM free as you did since most of the contracts on there incurr extra charge for daily surfing, my existing T-Mobile contract is up for renewal and does NOT incurr extra surfing charges, its also only £22!
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£450 or so for an unlocked handset equates to a lot of surfing!
My phone was free on 30/month (ex VAT), including 500Mb data which should be enough for my needs
Only downside is a 24 month contract
Steve.
i think htc hd is the best choice for know it has thin body 3.5 mm audio jack good battery bigger screen than all
Is it it a dog for you is it not.
Kind of regrettably, I Started a post. Is ATT Tilt2 a Dog.
I really felt this.
I had recently upgraded my ATT Tilt (original (1)),Tilt1 if you prefer, to ATT Tilt2.
My experience was less than preferable.
While others suggested that I would be happier with another ROM, Black Berry, or (ugh,UGH, can not put in bigger caps) iPhone. I have worked with Windows Mobile, as well as others on this board, before it was a phone.
I think I was issued, initially a piece of crap.
Because of my response to this I had to take some crap.
get some, give some.
My equipment, ATT Tilt2, purchased from Walmart/Lets Talk on Black Friday 2009.
How are you doing?
In love with mine
I was about to post in your previous thread, which I found a fascinating read
I actually bought two, the other for my wife. We both, had been suffering for years, with different Palm devices. I decided on these for two reasons. . .my fat fingers just didn't work with the small keyboard buttons any longer, and it had a MS OS. Like you, have been dealing with MS since DOS5. I knew what I was in for and, I knew I could tweak it. Already using Total Commander and cleanRAM. It's was a little advanced for my wife until I insisted she READ THE MANUAL. She also had an older (Cingular) SIMM. Once we had it changed out even she responded with a "wow, what a difference". We both love our Tilt2s.
Have been reading here for a week and will prolly read for a couple more before I break something I need an assist with. I've been with AT&T since 97. I hate them, but like the last female at 2:00am, there easy to deal with, so I keep renewing.
Looking forward to reading more of your posts
This is your second or third thread that is basically the same thing. Are you looking for attention or what?
jmarotto said:
I was about to post in your previous thread, which I found a fascinating read
I actually bought two, the other for my wife. We both, had been suffering for years, with different Palm devices. I decided on these for two reasons. . .my fat fingers just didn't work with the small keyboard buttons any longer, and it had a MS OS. Like you, have been dealing with MS since DOS5. I knew what I was in for and, I knew I could tweak it. Already using Total Commander and cleanRAM. It's was a little advanced for my wife until I insisted she READ THE MANUAL. She also had an older (Cingular) SIMM. Once we had it changed out even she responded with a "wow, what a difference". We both love our Tilt2s.
Have been reading here for a week and will prolly read for a couple more before I break something I need an assist with. I've been with AT&T since 97. I hate them, but like the last female at 2:00am, there easy to deal with, so I keep renewing.
Looking forward to reading more of your posts
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Thank you.
After a couple of months and a final equipment failure, ATT shipped, and I received today a replacement.
I am avoiding, if I can, adding any software soon, like tonight.
My experience so far, with replacement, has been more than I expected.
I work very hard during the week and from Friday evenings into the weekend, I really like to think less.
Before Monday, unless anyone asks about anything specific about this equipment, software, or ROM, I will be rebuilding to test all.
Good Night
kimtyson said:
This is your second or third thread that is basically the same thing. Are you looking for attention or what?
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Momma told me not to pay attention to folks like you.
Don't know why I do?
Maybe you have somthin to say?
I too have been with SouthWesternBell-Wireless-(Cingular) since '96 and I absolutey loved the Service I got, I used to hate how sprint had all the cool phones, I even tryed Sprint for a month awhile and kept my SWB line on just in case, it didn't take long and I Cxd. Then Cingular started coming around with good phones that competed. The Day ATT and Cingular merged is when it all fell to Crap, The service is still good, but the Customer Service is horrible, the care for what the customer wants is horrible, yes we have decent phones but they are almost outdated by the time we get them. I F'ing hate ATT , and am probably after all these years gonna switch to verizon. They deserve to lose everything they have, when they no longer care for the customer, unless you have a stupid iphony which is so easy to use, I say it's for simple minded people that wants square holes for square blocks. As far as the TILT 2, I too went from TILT1 to TILT2 , iskipped the fuse because i felt it was a rushed piece of crap. But I have very little complaints about the TILT2 , and after putting on Mobile Shell and deleteing the bloatware it runs smooth. I only hated it took so long to get it. So to Sum it Up i think the TILT2 is a very good phone if you know how to tweak it, and ATT Sucks. I wish Cingular and there Care would come back !
I pretty much agree with everyone. Came from a Tilt to a Tilt2 (no such thing as Tilt1 people) and I think it's a big improvement. Yes AT&T sucks, but I don't need them or their customer service. XDA is my customer service! The keyboard is way better and you can't complain about a bigger screen and faster processor (though it's still not fast enough, e.g. HD2). No phone really lives up to it's potential straight from the carriers except possibly Android phones. After a new ROM this phone was definitely a keeper for me. Looking forward to an HD2 or even better an HD3 when available though (1.5Ghz processor, Mmmm!).
bwnotredame06 said:
I too have been with SouthWesternBell-Wireless-(Cingular) since '96 and I absolutey loved the Service I got, I used to hate how sprint had all the cool phones, I even tryed Sprint for a month awhile and kept my SWB line on just in case, it didn't take long and I Cxd. Then Cingular started coming around with good phones that competed. The Day ATT and Cingular merged is when it all fell to Crap, The service is still good, but the Customer Service is horrible, the care for what the customer wants is horrible, yes we have decent phones but they are almost outdated by the time we get them. I F'ing hate ATT , and am probably after all these years gonna switch to verizon. They deserve to lose everything they have, when they no longer care for the customer, unless you have a stupid iphony which is so easy to use, I say it's for simple minded people that wants square holes for square blocks. As far as the TILT 2, I too went from TILT1 to TILT2 , iskipped the fuse because i felt it was a rushed piece of crap. But I have very little complaints about the TILT2 , and after putting on Mobile Shell and deleteing the bloatware it runs smooth. I only hated it took so long to get it. So to Sum it Up i think the TILT2 is a very good phone if you know how to tweak it, and ATT Sucks. I wish Cingular and there Care would come back !
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How did you remove the bloatware?
nycny said:
How are you doing?
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So maybe you just want to get the AT&T folks unified or more public. I just don't understand the purpose of this post.
I am doing fine. Thanks for asking.
nycny said:
Momma told me not to pay attention to folks like you.
Don't know why I do?
Maybe you have somthin to say?
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And I bet if you run upstairs out of the basement Momma would tell you more. Go talk to her.
ptgptg said:
How did you remove the bloatware?
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You click the blue letters in my sig and search for "How did you remove the bloatware". Read the Wiki and the stickies, stay on point of the threads (except that this thread has no point), and read before posting your questions.
ptgptg said:
How did you remove the bloatware?
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go to this page , use file explorer and delete all listed, I didn't do the reg edits but it's had no effect at all on performance. it frees like 50mb and makes your device much faster and smoother. You don't have to delete all, also later you can hard reset and bring them all back if you'd like. I hope this helps, let me know if you need anything else.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=UninstallingTilt2Software
not easy
kimtyson said:
stay on point of the threads
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This is pretty difficult with ADD and a tabbed browser
look for CrudScrapper. It is an app that removes the bloatware from the Tilt2. Great little app.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=587637&highlight=crud+scraper
a dog is not necessarily a bad thing and it's really annoying the way you use it, please stop
Unlike kimtyson, I understand the point of this post... to complain about AT&T and the Tilt2. With that said, I don't know what is supposed to be accomplished by the post (unless AT&T and HTC CEOs read these threads regularly).
For what it's worth, here's my 2 cents (more like a penny). I love my Tilt2. Yeah it's slow sometimes, but the customization abilities can't be beaten thanks to the XDA members that try their best to make it faster rather than complain about it. That is the main reason why I don't have an iPhone. As for AT&T, yes they have thier downfalls (like all of the other cell phone companies do). If those downfalls are unacceptable for you, then quit complaining and change your service provider!! I have thought about leaving, but it's cheaper to stay since almost everyone I know has AT&T and the mobile-to-mobile minutes would be worthless to me elsewhere.
But that is just my humble opinion, I don't expect it to change the world or a major corporation.
Edit: I'm confused. Should this reply have been added to this thread or the following threads:
Got a replacement ATT Tilt2 today
Is AT&T Tilt 2 a Dog?
I am going to try to pull these threads together
jcterry said:
Unlike kimtyson, I understand the point of this post... to complain about AT&T and the Tilt2. With that said, I don't know what is supposed to be accomplished by the post (unless AT&T and HTC CEOs read these threads regularly).
For what it's worth, here's my 2 cents (more like a penny). I love my Tilt2. Yeah it's slow sometimes, but the customization abilities can't be beaten thanks to the XDA members that try their best to make it faster rather than complain about it. That is the main reason why I don't have an iPhone. As for AT&T, yes they have thier downfalls (like all of the other cell phone companies do). If those downfalls are unacceptable for you, then quit complaining and change your service provider!! I have thought about leaving, but it's cheaper to stay since almost everyone I know has AT&T and the mobile-to-mobile minutes would be worthless to me elsewhere.
But that is just my humble opinion, I don't expect it to change the world or a major corporation.
Edit: I'm confused. Should this reply have been added to this thread or the following threads:
Got a replacement ATT Tilt2 today
Is AT&T Tilt 2 a Dog?
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When I get on a thing, sometimes my thoughts go down different paths,
so the reason for different posts.
Not a linear thinker.
At my age, mental multitasking is not as easy as it was 25yre. ago.
Still works though.
I think that Tilt2 has some, as yet undiscovered hardware issues.
Don't want to go too far with this at the moment, because, I am not entirely sure what is going on.
Didn't have to stress test replacement very long.
ATT sent a refurb, which on the face of it operated faster than the first one.
Opera 9.5 opened and browsed faster than the original.
Most other function, software operated fairly to very well.
Actually on original Tilt2, a lot of these things worked as well as I was expecting from Windows Mobile.
Replacement, though seemed much more responsive for most general things.
PocketOutlook, fast. ATT.Yahoo.Com email with Opera 9.5, fast.
Internet Explorer 6 faster, still a little slow.
I am not looking for any particular fixes from you folk as yet, just observing and reporting is all.
Long story short, if that is possible.
The piece received as a replacement, after observation was a recycle/refurbish.
Discovered after trying to fit screen protector which didn't fit.
Already had screen protector installed.
On the hardware, slide/tilt mechanism seemed loose/wobbly.
Called ATT support this morning to get some idea what I was sent.
While waiting, put phone on speakerphone/external audio.
Audio speaker phone buzzed briefly, then was silent.
Tried to move back to earphone, no audio.
Similar to most recent hard failure of original piece.
Now I have two Tilt2' with similar hardware failure on audio path.
On the failure path (original phone), for several days before complete failure the original upon receiving email requiring notification. Notification, by default, would be, short vibrate/sound.
Shortly before failure, notification became constant vibrate.
Only stopped by shut-down/restart.
This morning replacement began to fail in the same way, coincident with the other audio/hardware trouble.
I appreciate that you folks are fix it folk.
I am not necessarily wanting to be short with anyone, as far as offering fixes.
Maybe I had not explained myself well enough earlier.
Not necessarily wanting a fix from you for my self.
Just exposing an issue.
I ask the same questions also when trying to trouble shoot equipment problems.
"Is it plugged in Mam/Sir?", sometimes will sound condescending to a customer who call for help.
For the dog lovers, I love and feel close to my pets also.
Sorry.
I am going to try to pull these threads together
jcterry said:
Unlike kimtyson, I understand the point of this post... to complain about AT&T and the Tilt2. With that said, I don't know what is supposed to be accomplished by the post (unless AT&T and HTC CEOs read these threads regularly).
For what it's worth, here's my 2 cents (more like a penny). I love my Tilt2. Yeah it's slow sometimes, but the customization abilities can't be beaten thanks to the XDA members that try their best to make it faster rather than complain about it. That is the main reason why I don't have an iPhone. As for AT&T, yes they have thier downfalls (like all of the other cell phone companies do). If those downfalls are unacceptable for you, then quit complaining and change your service provider!! I have thought about leaving, but it's cheaper to stay since almost everyone I know has AT&T and the mobile-to-mobile minutes would be worthless to me elsewhere.
But that is just my humble opinion, I don't expect it to change the world or a major corporation.
Edit: I'm confused. Should this reply have been added to this thread or the following threads:
Got a replacement ATT Tilt2 today
Is AT&T Tilt 2 a Dog?
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When I get on a thing, sometimes my thoughts go down different paths,
so the reason for different posts.
Not a linear thinker.
At my age, mental multitasking is not as easy as it was 25yre. ago.
Still works though.
I think that Tilt2 has some, as yet undiscovered hardware issues.
Don't want to go too far with this at the moment, because, I am not entirely sure what is going on.
Didn't have to stress test replacement very long.
ATT sent a refurb, which on the face of it operated faster than the first one.
Opera 9.5 opened and browsed faster than the original.
Most other function, software operated fairly to very well.
Actually on original Tilt2, a lot of these things worked as well as I was expecting from Windows Mobile.
Replacement, though seemed much more responsive for most general things.
PocketOutlook, fast. ATT.Yahoo.Com email with Opera 9.5, fast.
Internet Explorer 6 faster, still a little slow.
I am not looking for any particular fixes from you folk as yet, just observing and reporting is all.
Long story short, if that is possible.
The piece received as a replacement, after observation was a recycle/refurburbish.
Discovered after trying to fit screen protector which didn't fit.
Already had screen protector installed.
On the hardware, slide/tilt mechanism seemed loose/wobbly.
Called ATT support this morning to get some idea what I was sent.
While waiting, put phone on speakerphone/external audio.
Audio speaker phone buzzed briefly, then was silent.
Tried to move back to earphone, no audio.
Similar to most recent hard failure of original piece.
Now I have two Tilt2' with similar hardware failure on audio path.
On the failure path (original phone), for several days before complete failure the original upon receiving email requiring notification. Notification, by default, would be, short vibrate/sound.
Shortly before failure, notification became constant vibrate.
Only stopped by shut-down/restart.
This morning replacement began to fail in the same way, coincident with the other audio/hardware trouble.
I appreciate that you folks are fix it folk.
I am not necessarily wanting to be short with anyone, as far as offering fixes.
Maybe I had not explained myself well enough earlier.
Not necessarily wanting a fix from you for my self.
Just exposing an issue.
I ask the same questions also.
The only issue i've faced with my tilt 2 is the volume up/down buttons became dislodged then i dropped it one time and they got back in place but now my volume up button doesn't push back, but still works so doesn't bother me that much.
I guess your just having really bad luck. If you bought a new device and received a refurb with the same or worse issues, call back and explain to them that you need a new device because you paid for a new device thats supposed to work, not a refurb replacement.
jmarotto said:
I've been with AT&T since 97. I hate them, but like the last female at 2:00am, there easy to deal with, so I keep renewing
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and thats the best thing i've read in a while here on xda! haha
nycny said:
When I get on a thing, sometimes my thoughts go down different paths,
so the reason for different posts.
Not a linear thinker.
At my age, mental multitasking is not as easy as it was 25yre. ago.
Still works though.
I think that Tilt2 has some, as yet undiscovered hardware issues.
Don't want to go too far with this at the moment, because, I am not entirely sure what is going on.
Didn't have to stress test replacement very long.
ATT sent a refurb, which on the face of it operated faster than the first one.
Opera 9.5 opened and browsed faster than the original.
Most other function, software operated fairly to very well.
Actually on original Tilt2, a lot of these things worked as well as I was expecting from Windows Mobile.
Replacement, though seemed much more responsive for most general things.
PocketOutlook, fast. ATT.Yahoo.Com email with Opera 9.5, fast.
Internet Explorer 6 faster, still a little slow.
I am not looking for any particular fixes from you folk as yet, just observing and reporting is all.
Long story short, if that is possible.
The piece received as a replacement, after observation was a recycle/refurburbish.
Discovered after trying to fit screen protector which didn't fit.
Already had screen protector installed.
On the hardware, slide/tilt mechanism seemed loose/wobbly.
Called ATT support this morning to get some idea what I was sent.
While waiting, put phone on speakerphone/external audio.
Audio speaker phone buzzed briefly, then was silent.
Tried to move back to earphone, no audio.
Similar to most recent hard failure of original piece.
Now I have two Tilt2' with similar hardware failure on audio path.
On the failure path (original phone), for several days before complete failure the original upon receiving email requiring notification. Notification, by default, would be, short vibrate/sound.
Shortly before failure, notification became constant vibrate.
Only stopped by shut-down/restart.
This morning replacement began to fail in the same way, coincident with the other audio/hardware trouble.
I appreciate that you folks are fix it folk.
I am not necessarily wanting to be short with anyone, as far as offering fixes.
Maybe I had not explained myself well enough earlier.
Not necessarily wanting a fix from you for my self.
Just exposing an issue.
I ask the same questions also.
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... cool story, bro..