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AT&T fortress coming Aug 24 ... any truth?

I just read this one from htc blogger. Does anyone know if this has any truth to it? I have to know and need to get one before my Sept trip.
http://htcblogger.com/2009/07/08/htc-fortress-warhawk-to-be-released-by-att-in-august/

hmmm interesting find...
there may be some truth to this, taking into consideration the fact that another member in another thread got some information that the TP2 would be coming out 6-8 weeks after the iPhone 3G S comes out.
however, if that rumor is true, and this article as well, then that means that it got pushed back a little.
no one can really tell you if it's 100% true or not, sorry. but it seems plausible.

The touch pro 2 should come out a week or two around the time of the tmobile release which is scheduled 12 august. So seems plausible.

If that happens the question would be:
Wich one of the 2 (att&t or tmob) will have the less ugly version?
If is the one on the pic I think At&t will win...
p.s Did I read well??
WM 7 refresh awarded with sept 09 launching date???
Mmmmmm...... not sure about that...........

No way.......
Please say it ain't so that the pic of that Fortress is the actual/final product. If so then I think I'm gonna jump ship to Tmo because At&t just screwed up one of the biggest selling points for me. I loved the offsetted keyboard and the spaciousness of the layout, even though the color wasn't at all appealing, I'd still be able to stomach it as long as they didn't mess with the original layout too much. I really hope thats not the final product. BTW, I've been wondering, who came up with these names for Att? It feels like either they let kids do it or they just put a bunch of names in a hat and pic one.

orb3000 said:
If that happens the question would be:
Wich one of the 2 (att&t or tmob) will have the less ugly version?
If is the one on the pic I think At&t will win...
p.s Did I read well??
WM 7 refresh awarded with sept 09 launching date???
Mmmmmm...... not sure about that...........
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from the rumors i've read WM7 requires capacitive screens. and more powa then the TP2 has on tap. Ala snapdragon or tegra.
i still get the funny notion WM7 has been ready for awhile now and is based off of Windows 7, and MS has just been waiting for the hardware to catch up.
i agree with you about the ugly contest. so far i think Sprint has the best looking version (besides stock)
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=4459
wonder if the back cover the sprint version will fit on other TP2's

poppinpengawen said:
no one can really tell you if it's 100% true or not, sorry. but it seems plausible.
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The only part that doesn't smell right to me is that we still haven't seen the ATT version in the flesh, just the hackish and apparently outdated promo QWERTZ numpad version from who knows when. I get that ATT is full-tilt iPhone-obsessed, but if we were that close to release, I'd still think we'd have seen some real life pics from it the way we have for sprint, verizon and tmo.
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i agree with you about the ugly contest. so far i think Sprint has the best looking version (besides stock)
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I actually like the look of sprint better than the european unlocked version. That chrome just seems like unnecessary shiny for a business class device.

crazy talk said:
from the rumors i've read WM7 requires capacitive screens. and more powa then the TP2 has on tap. Ala snapdragon or tegra.
i still get the funny notion WM7 has been ready for awhile now and is based off of Windows 7, and MS has just been waiting for the hardware to catch up.
i agree with you about the ugly contest. so far i think Sprint has the best looking version (besides stock)
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=4459
wonder if the back cover the sprint version will fit on other TP2's
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I´m agree
So, then then blog and info are false....
And yes Sprint is the less ugly....

These pics have been out since late May from engadget. It would be usual for T-Mobile to launch their ver in late July and att launch theirs in August. Typically, there is a six-month gap for exclusivity on new products, but given today’s market$ who knows.
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...fortress-are-atandts-touch-diamond2-and-pro2/

Silverexp said:
Typically, there is a six-month gap for exclusivity on new products, but given today’s market$ who knows.
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No one bought exclusivity for the TP2.

looks like Telstra Next G in Australia will be out before AT & T for an 850 UMTS/WCDMA Touch Pro 2. July 22nd is the date
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/07/six-new-nextg-phones-unveiled/

I just hope that old Fortress pic from Engadget's not the final product. Please, oh lawd.

the warhawk looks way better than the fortress.... hell its way sexier than the gsm version as well

the spreadsheet was leaked will most likely NOT be the final product. ATT has a history of messing with their phones' hardware, but I don't think they'll make that mistake here.
and i've heard of an august 17 release date and an august 24th release date, so it seems like it really will be coming out a week or 2 after T-MO's

Damager said:
looks like Telstra Next G in Australia will be out before AT & T for an 850 UMTS/WCDMA Touch Pro 2. July 22nd is the date
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/07/six-new-nextg-phones-unveiled/
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yea it would work but ATT runs mostly on 1900 and they are expanding their 850...its better to have both. i guess 850 is better than nothing right.

ATT usually mess up on their Keyboard but we always learn to adapt and make good use of it...one thing though they keep the original exterior design ala tilt minus front camera and ala Fuze eith the diamond battery case and all...
i rather they have the same exterior design and ill adapt to the keyboard rather then they change it like Tmobile did (it looks cheap with the 4 buttons sticking out) and spring change their touch pro as well which i dont like...
just my opinion

God i hope the fortress' keyboard isnt red. How gay is that. Its a business phone for gods sake.

iceman4357 said:
God i hope the fortress' keyboard isnt red. How gay is that. Its a business phone for gods sake.
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99% of the customers who purchase this phone will not use it as a business device.

I won't use it as a business phone.

crazy talk said:
99% of the customers who purchase this phone will not use it as a business device.
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true as it maybe, that isn't necessarily his point. He is merely stating that, this phone was designed, and being marketed for, business users, regardless if thats how it ends up being used or not.
I agree tho, the Red is ugly.

T-Mobile 8/12 Date Verified. AT&T???

Looks like we have a verified date (which pretty much everyone's seen) for T-Mobile Touch Pro 2.
http://htcpedia.com/news/htc-touch-pro-2-coming-august-12th.html
The real question is, where does AT&T fit in here? 2 Weeks after? 1 Month after? 2 Months after? 3 Months after? Never? We've seen all of those times speculated, but no real leads. Get on the ball AT&T; we are waiting!

ATT never announce release date for their phone unless its the iphone...so if its release it we gonna find out the day of or maybe a week ahead if lucky

jtoyz2 said:
ATT never announce release date for their phone unless its the iphone...so if its release it we gonna find out the day of or maybe a week ahead if lucky
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unless of coarse something get leaked right?

Link278 said:
unless of coarse something get leaked right?
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Well... we've seen photos leaked of all the other US carriers' versions... but not AT&T. If a PICTURE hasn't even been leaked yet, I have to doubt how much AT&T leakage we'll be hearing.
... whoa, that sounded like a problem for a doctor to look at...

I've seen photos...
http://htc-phones.net/att-warhawk-and-fortress-htc-touch-diamond2-and-pro2-comming.html
Why mess with the pretty silver... =/ and the keyboard...again...

These aren't photos, they are concept mock-ups.
Photos refer to actual photos of the device, such as in the wild, like how the T-Mobile, Sprint, and Verizon versions were first shown.

Well they are photos to me.
Your definition of photos might refer to "in the wild".
I'm pretty sure the device will look exactly like that.
Don't get me wrong, I believe that if we haven't seen any blurry cam/ phone on jeans picture/ in the wild photos the phone isn't coming in the near future.
What I posted is definitively leaked and definitively a photo IMO...
Also if T-Mo's TP2 got to FCC April 1st and got released August 12.
Fortress got to FCC June 5th, and looking at the Fuze release, I wouldn't expect the phone to hit ATT before September/October but this is pure speculation from my part.

I believe the leaked slide contained a render. Although I do not have a link to it, I have seen a very similar render of a TP2 with the red/yellow look and a 5 row keyboard, the exact same as the Euro Unlocked TP2 but with the color change. I don't know if it was supposed to be a more recent render of the At&t version or not (It did not have an At&t logo on it, but the image used on the slide did not either). I believe the image used was probably an early concept presented to At&t and just included in the slide to give an idea of the design.
To summarize, I think the slide image is an old HTC render given to At&t and the actual phone may retain the color scheme, but the keyboard will change and we don't know about a front-facing camera or a 3.5mm audio jack.
Although I am hoping for a mid to late August release, I actually agree that it will probably be closer to your expected September/October.

Ya its kinda weird because last year we saw many leaked photos of the fuze. There were constant rumors, leaked rebate sheets, etc months before the release. It is worrying that we have yet to hear a single word about this device..

"I'm pretty sure the device will look exactly like that."
You expect the letter z on the top row? A simple search would lead to many, many discussions of that particular photo... and you may be less inclined to back it as proof after reading them.

eknutson said:
"I'm pretty sure the device will look exactly like that."
You expect the letter z on the top row? A simple search would lead to many, many discussions of that particular photo... and you may be less inclined to back it as proof after reading them.
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Oh crap,
This statement was misguided. I didn't use this slide as proof either, but with ATT tendency to mess with the keyboard, and to favor a "keypad" on the fuze instead the top row numbers. With the extra space I could see them having this keypad, so I will revise my statement:
I wouln't be surprised if the final design is similar to that.
It's also true that "leakage" and info has been pretty scarce compared to the Fuze, but again the Fuze did come later in November...
All we have for the Fortress is the name, and that it did hit FCC...

heh, easy one to miss - I'm glad you seem to have taken my comment as it was intended (to be on the humorous side, not the condescending side ).

labbbby said:
I've seen photos...
http://htc-phones.net/att-warhawk-and-fortress-htc-touch-diamond2-and-pro2-comming.html
Why mess with the pretty silver... =/ and the keyboard...again...
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Let's hope they do change the Fortress from these photos.....no 3.5 mm jack on these. Either way, myself and may others are in dyer need of an upgrade. People, don't take the bait and be fooled and hastily jump for the Iphone 3Gs. Let's all wait it out and put the pressure on AT&T to get with it.

Epsilion said:
I believe the leaked slide contained a render. Although I do not have a link to it, I have seen a very similar render of a TP2 with the red/yellow look and a 5 row keyboard, the exact same as the Euro Unlocked TP2 but with the color change. I don't know if it was supposed to be a more recent render of the At&t version or not (It did not have an At&t logo on it, but the image used on the slide did not either). I believe the image used was probably an early concept presented to At&t and just included in the slide to give an idea of the design.
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I've seen that render (or was it a render? I bet so) too - it pretty much looked exactly like the Euro, just with the color scheme of the previous linked render. Probably just someone's take on what is closer to reality. Can't find a link to it to share with you guys, sorry!
I too am worried about the lack of in the wild photos. I was suspecting that Sprint and Verizon were further off from releasing the TP2 than AT&T was, but maybe I'm wrong.
Personally I don't mind the color scheme of that weird looking render. But I'm pretty much forced to go with AT&T because of institutional discounts... it'd just be way more expensive to go with a different carrier just to get the TP2.

Yeah, the thing is I'm pretty sure the render with the same color scheme was actually released before the At&t slide containing the Fortress was leaked. I think that render was even used in some news outlet's report on HTC making the Touch Pro 2.
Maybe that color scheme is just the first one HTC made and then changed it for all the actual models produced, realizing the colors were kind of crazy for a business phone (the group the phone is marketed to). I don't mind the color either (it reminds me of Iron Man and he is my favorite comic book superhero ). I think we may end up with another slick black model, similar to the Fuze, though.
I just hope they will keep the front-facing camera; I thought At&t was going to start changing the video share service to a video calling service. If they add the 3.5mm jack in that would be cool too.

What is with att? I can remember when they were the first to release the sliding keyboards before the rest. The 8x25's were advance when they were released considiering the offering of t-moble and sprint. There was to official release date and the restocking date. The iphone really crap up the situation. They still release the 8x25's along side during thier command the blackberry market. Windows Moble has yet to crack it even with palm's settling down. The iphone is here to stay and may even change the way we want in a phone. However when it comes to pdas, the iphone will not dominate with it's current OS. Blackberry commands because of bulk corporate sales. The sales of the Tpro duce will not hamper the sales of the iphone. I hope a official picture is leaked soon. August is fast approaching and no news is not good news.

Get Evo now, or wait for a WP7 device?

Hey everyone, need advice get an Evo now, I have a place to get one, or get a WP7 later and wait it out?

It's been tough seeing my sister with the Evo while I'm still running this old stuff but I'm waiting for WP7.

If you're like 90% of the people who have the evo, you'll be eligible for a full handset upgrade every year through sprint premier ($70/mnth+ on single line, or $100/mnth+ family line)
If I had a handset upgrade every year, I'd probably get the epic or evo. You can always arrange a trade with someone if you really want a WP7 before your next upgrade

I would just get the Evo, WP7 just shot itself in the foot lately. Instead of going forward their going backwards no tethering, no internet browser options. I could go on and on. Ill look around next month for a upgrade as well since my contract is up. I hate to leave windows mobile 6.5 but no more support for my i637 jack.

But then again, it might be about half a year befor sprint and verizon get WP7 as MS is currently looking to only support GSM first.

RustyGrom said:
It's been tough seeing my sister with the Evo while I'm still running this old stuff but I'm waiting for WP7.
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Honestly, when I put my Omnia II just running titanium up against the iphone and android...I don't really see it all that lacking. I think MS really misstepped by not releasing photon. I think an updated 6.5 version would have really stomped Android. I wonder how close they were to release.

gom99 said:
Honestly, when I put my Omnia II just running titanium up against the iphone and android...I don't really see it all that lacking. I think MS really misstepped by not releasing photon. I think an updated 6.5 version would have really stomped Android. I wonder how close they were to release.
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It might have. But WP7 is still light years ahead of that. Who cares if it's missing a few features at launch that only "power users" really care about? I am extremely glad they took the course that they did. Photon was evolutionary, WP7 is revolutionary in terms of UI and platform. Would we have seen Silverlight and XNA (including Xbox Live) on Photon? no way. We'd still be using WinForms, maybe just slightly updated with some new controls and styling and gesture support. Ever since the Zune HD launched, many people were hoping Microsoft would make a phone based on that philosophy and that's what WP7 is. Metro is the ****.

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Who cares if it's missing a few features at launch that only "power users" really care about?
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Uhhhh.........maybe the power users on this power users forum?

rr5678 said:
Uhhhh.........maybe the power users on this power users forum?
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That's where "jailbreaking" will probably come in.

Paperclips your starting to seem very apologetic for WP7, but I can understand why. People just don't want to like WP7, I think were part of the few.
But back on the subject at hand. Yes I'd say get the Evo 4g if your on sprint, because WP7 isn't coming to that carrier until mid 2011. IF your not on Sprint than try other carriers and them make your judgement off that.

How much of you folks truly do use tethering? And who just make another fuzz just because? I'm sure most of you fall into the latter category.
Anyone that needs mobile connectivity regularly would just get a 3G thumbstick anyway. They're cheap as ****, too.

Tom Servo said:
How much of you folks truly do use tethering?
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I can't say I use it often, but when I do, I really need it.
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Anyone that needs mobile connectivity regularly would just get a 3G thumbstick anyway. They're cheap as ****, too.
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That's not really a solution. I need a new SIM, a new contract, another device to carry with me at all times, I need to remember to pay for it, etc. If I used it daily I would maybe get it, but for occasional use it's just a hassle.

krjcook said:
Paperclips your starting to seem very apologetic for WP7, but I can understand why. People just don't want to like WP7, I think were part of the few.
But back on the subject at hand. Yes I'd say get the Evo 4g if your on sprint, because WP7 isn't coming to that carrier until mid 2011. IF your not on Sprint than try other carriers and them make your judgement off that.
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I wouldn't say apologetic. I'd say realistic. I just think that there is room for more than two operating systems as some people on this forum think. They view every consumer as a power user when it's far from true. Jailbreaking probably will happen but whenever I decide to buy a Windows Phone I'm not sure I will need to. I'm honestly waiting for one that has 4G for Verizon which probably won't come for the second half of next year. For the time being, I'm perfectly content with my Incredible.
I'd actually suggest that the OP buy the EVO if they're getting an upgrade next year anyway. By then there should be a great selection of 4G Windows phones if they so choose to go that way.

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I use it at least 20x a month.

nothing new for CES 2011 for WP7 ?

Anyone hear anything besides CDMA coming in Q1 ? I've been following all day nothing so far on any new models or anything on brands.
I've seen a bunch of phones but, all that Anroid crap... (sorry fanboys, I'm not a fan)
Did anyone else see anything ?

Nothing really new.
When an MS rep was questioned, he did say something like (I'm paraphrasing), "We're saving some news for a later date. Only if there was an event coming up dedicated to mobile devices in Barcelona, Spain where we could talk about this..."
Making a not so thinly veiled reference to the Mobile World Congress starting on February 14th.

I honestly didn't think there was anything exciting at CES. Dual core is nothing without the apps to back it up. As a former Android user, I didn't find anything interesting. Maybe that is because T-Mobile didn't announce a superphone and I will not break my contract.
They will drop a couple devices in February. Maybe in Spain.
Than again, sometime in the Fall.

Yea, nothing good, it sucks to be honest with ya.... It's not over yet (later date ?) but, I guess we'll see.
We CDMA people have to wait till Feb before we hear anything about a CDMA WP7 ? I feel like one of those (you know who you are) Verizon iPhone people, just waiting and waiting....
I'll have to admit, some of those Android phones looked nice just only if they had WP7 on them, it would be great.

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Yea, nothing good, it sucks to be honest with ya.... It's not over yet (later date ?) but, I guess we'll see.
We CDMA people have to wait till Feb before we hear anything about a CDMA WP7 ? I feel like one of those (you know who you are) Verizon iPhone people, just waiting and waiting....
I'll have to admit, some of those Android phones looked nice just only if they had WP7 on them, it would be great.
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It is over on Sunday (I think) and there are still companies that need to present. I believe that Sprint has yet to present knowing that AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon already presented.
Someone said that the HTC Trophy is coming very soon. Just passed the FCC with Verizon's banding.
But all of the Android phones have skins. Oddly enough, only one of them had Gingerbread and it is not even on a US carrier anytime soon.

I am not sure if there is anything new - as in the case you haven't yet heard of - coming on MWC, MS has a single stand at the event.

i was really expecting some aha announcements from balmer and his team. just some rattling on about nothing really, ahem xbox this and that. he's really looking old and tired now.
really expecting to see some cool innovations. maybe those projector phones with 12 hour batteries and lte connectivity ? well, no.
of course there are android phones everywhere (ya i'm a big fan) but expected more there also. one dual core phone. well, ok. if i get my nexus one, g2, g1, and wifes g2 all together, i'll have 4 cores really close to each other. woooo-p.
tell the truth i'd get more excited if there was some shazam new battery tech announced that let a badass smartphone run for a week on a charge that i'd be if there was a quad core handset.
tablets, good lord tablets everywhere ! and honeycomb is really going to be tailored specifically for tablets. sweet. nice to see a company making a specific OS for tablets.
things that aren't selling me:
tablets (too big for phoning, too small for real computing)
front facing cameras
barely usable batteries
gee-wiz dual cores/quad cores
kick stands
anything that isn't a micro-usb (c'mon already, standards!)
things taht would get me hot to buy:
LTE (the upgrade to this g2 with 6-7Mbps is pretty smokin fast, i want more though)
led projector, HD quality
720p that rivaled the iphone's (their stuff is really, really , really good)
a week long battery
waterproof
drop proof

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Someone said that the HTC Trophy is coming very soon. Just passed the FCC with Verizon's banding.
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Where did you read "The Entry level WP7 device" AKA HTC The Trophy just passed FCC banding ??
If it just got passed, it could be a few months before anyone sees it... Not sure I want the Trophy anyway, it's the lowest end model out of all current WP7 phones...
I'd rather have the Pro 7 (yea, the one Sprint is getting), I was hoping for something else on Verizon than just the Trophy.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, after 1 billion planned and millions so far spent on adveristing for WP7, Verizon and Sprint will not come to market with just 1 device each.
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tell the truth i'd get more excited if there was some shazam new battery tech announced that let a badass smartphone run for a week on a charge that i'd be if there was a quad core handset.
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I want every year to hear some magical new battery that is taking over that will go from hours of use to 100's of hours of use but, nothing ever comes up. Yea, let me get a Quad core CPU on a phone that only gets 1.5 hours talk time, YEA !!!!!
Out of all the stuff they come up, they can't solve a simple battery problem ? WTF ???

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Where did you read "The Entry level WP7 device" AKA HTC The Trophy just passed FCC banding ??
If it just got passed, it could be a few months before anyone sees it... Not sure I want the Trophy anyway, it's the lowest end model out of all current WP7 phones...
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DavidinCT said:
Where did you read "The Entry level WP7 device" AKA HTC The Trophy just passed FCC banding ??
If it just got passed, it could be a few months before anyone sees it... Not sure I want the Trophy anyway, it's the lowest end model out of all current WP7 phones...
I'd rather have the Pro 7 (yea, the one Sprint is getting), I was hoping for something else on Verizon than just the Trophy.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, after 1 billion planned and millions so far spent on adveristing for WP7, Verizon and Sprint will not come to market with just 1 device each.
I want every year to hear some magical new battery that is taking over that will go from hours of use to 100's of hours of use but, nothing ever comes up. Yea, let me get a Quad core CPU on a phone that only gets 1.5 hours talk time, YEA !!!!!
Out of all the stuff they come up, they can't solve a simple battery problem ? WTF ???
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simple? if it was so simple why wouldn't you or anyone else for that matter do it? I guess its because im an engineer and i know science that i find this statement ridiculous. Lithium is the best element for energy storage and that is already being used. This is because lithum's desire to give elections away on it outer shell (hydrogen ist because it is hofbrincl). It is really going to be hard to find something else that can work better than this. Battery cell architecture enhancements are they best way to go with this route until some kind of reaction proves better, but that can only go so far. my point, it is hard, and a new approach to energy storage will have to be solved for it to really get better so i'd quit expecting something.
ok enough of the science lesson, I was also kind of disappointed in CES. Honestly I might of gone back to andriod if there was a LTE, dual core, sim card based, high res, 8 mp with FF VGA camera, 4.3 in phone that had excellent 4G coverage and 2.3 on it but noting announced met that criteria.
I was also hoping MS would drop the flash surprise or extended limited multitasking abilty but that also failed to happen. Basically what I heard from MS was exactly what everyone already knew. Some apis that allow certian types of services (streaming music apis, chat, etc) to preform in the backgroud would of been great.
i'm walking away from CES like eh, but eventually an LTE tablet might be in my future.

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Thanks,
The HTC Pro 7 the one thought, I could not find any actual proof of it going to Sprint, the only way we know the Trophy is going to Verizon because they offered it to MS Employees.
The Trophy just passed the FCC yesterday. The HTC Pro 7 (the other CDMA "7" phone) passed the FCC 10/25/2010 and is still not here.
If someone is counting on getting it very soon, I would be shocked.
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simple? if it was so simple why wouldn't you or anyone else for that matter do it?
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Dude, calm down... I was kidding with that... We've only been with the same battery tech for 5-10+ years now ? I'm sure someone came up with something by now. I know it's not simple by any means, it just sucks that no one has solved it. Not even any proto-types or rumors, that dead on this subject.
Pretty soon, something is going to have to happen, phones get faster, need more power, phones get bigger for bigger batteries...Sounds like we are going backwards to me...

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The HTC Pro 7 the one thought, I could not find any actual proof of it going to Sprint, the only way we know the Trophy is going to Verizon because they offered it to MS Employees.
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http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/sprints-htc-7-pro-cdma-windows-phone-7-pictured
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i'm in australia so i have the trophy already. it's decent. takes nice day photos, and good feel in the hands. would like to see the 7 Pro in australia though.

DavidinCT said:
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The HTC Pro 7 the one thought, I could not find any actual proof of it going to Sprint, the only way we know the Trophy is going to Verizon because they offered it to MS Employees.
The Trophy just passed the FCC yesterday. The HTC Pro 7 (the other CDMA "7" phone) passed the FCC 10/25/2010 and is still not here.
If someone is counting on getting it very soon, I would be shocked.
Dude, calm down... I was kidding with that... We've only been with the same battery tech for 5-10+ years now ? I'm sure someone came up with something by now. I know it's not simple by any means, it just sucks that no one has solved it. Not even any proto-types or rumors, that dead on this subject.
Pretty soon, something is going to have to happen, phones get faster, need more power, phones get bigger for bigger batteries...Sounds like we are going backwards to me...
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from a simple stand point i can see your stance, but once you know the technology it makes since. Solar energy is actually the leading cause for the push in energy storage, but maybe cell phones will help push that.
What i honestly think is going to happen id the evolution of the power mat from Duracell. When the guy who invented it was still at MIT and proposing this tech he also stated in the future it would be possible to get rid of the mat and transmit power OTA. This would be a future with no batteries in cell phones thus making them the slimiest they could possibly be. However what happens when you are too far away from the tower emitting power.
This is all just FYI stuff, but if you are interested in the future of batteries this is the answer.

DavidinCT said:
Dude, calm down... I was kidding with that... We've only been with the same battery tech for 5-10+ years now ? I'm sure someone came up with something by now. I know it's not simple by any means, it just sucks that no one has solved it. Not even any proto-types or rumors, that dead on this subject.
Pretty soon, something is going to have to happen, phones get faster, need more power, phones get bigger for bigger batteries...Sounds like we are going backwards to me...
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Could be interesting... http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=earth-talk-charging-ahead

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Could be interesting... http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=earth-talk-charging-ahead
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Yea, very interesting, if it ever comes out, I read about that like almost a year ago, as it could hold the power, the possable problems coming out (to the world) could be really bad.
As for wireless power, cool but, at what cost? As I think about this more, someone has to pay for the power and no one is going to give power away for free. So a power system off of a tower someplace ? Never will happen, there are too many companies making money off the grid and they would never let it happen, even for small devices.
It's a nice idea over all, to have a longer range "power mat" type of system, one in your home, one in your car, one in your office so you can limit your breaks of constant power (kind of like plugging it in when your in those locations) but, then you go back to the battery tech. Try recharging your battery 5-10 times a day or more (going between locations) how long do you think your battery would last (after discharge and recharge 100's of times more a month) ????
Anyway, for Verizon cusomers... a Press statement or "event" coming on Tuesday... Said, releases, so maybe WP7 along with the iPhoney.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/07/verizon-holding-event-tuesday-in-nyc-but-for-what/

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front facing cameras
gee-wiz dual cores/quad cores
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Thank god I am not alone with this. Front facing cameras are basically dead. Some old Windows Mobile devices had them, but I don't think anyone ever used them.
I am waiting for Microsoft to make dual core fully optimized for dual core, it might happen 2012 though. I could wait on that.
And for data speed, I would rather wait for HSPA+ (the one with a peak of 42 mpbs) on a WP7 devices, only because I have no plans of switching carriers (all carriers work here, so doesn't really matter which one I use). LTE is pretty cool and it is available in my area.

Galaxy Nexus no longer being released on the 9th in the US?

http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/07/galaxy-nexus-no-longer-launching-on-december-9/
sigh... dropping the ball. They dont want this phone on their network.

if it doesnt launch friday ill be buying something else, i'm getting sick of using my cracked thunderbolt and even more sick of waiting

I don't think they ever officially stated a day. I've thought for a while that they would release it with some clause that said no worry free guarantee exchanges for this device since a lot of people are planning on returning their razr or rezound too.. we'll see.
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I called Verizon yesterday, the 1800#, and they confirmed the 9th, so this has to be a change if true

I can't wait until this thing is released, not because I want to get it but so these threads will end.
Wait for it or buy online like most people did here

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http://www.droid-life.com/2011/12/07/galaxy-nexus-no-longer-launching-on-december-9/
sigh... dropping the ball. They dont want this phone on their network.
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Take a look through this forum. I think VZ would have to iron out all these issues before putting it up for sale. I doubt VZ is going to have thier tech support saying " oh you can just download this app to fix that issue". It's going to have to work 99%, or people will just bring it back in and swap phones. There really isn't anything so magnetic about this phone that will make a regular user say they can't part with it. Imagine 50,000 used phones, cases, screen protectors, cradles etc. I can understand a few issues with a new device, but it looks like there are quite a few.
So I guess we will just wait for the 9th and see.

this is what i know verizon has a **** load of iphone and razrs! wouldn't you try and get the most out of your inventory? i wouldn't want to price cut just to sell if i didn't have to, or at least prolong a long as possible

Verizon sucks. that's why I left them after 10+ years. They are like the Apple of cell carriers. Need to control every aspect.
So now they aren't releasing the Gnex cause their 4G LTE is crapping the bed... Seems their LTE service has all kinds of issues with each new phone that is released to it.

Luxferro said:
Verizon sucks. that's why I left them after 10+ years. They are like the Apple of cell carriers. Need to control every aspect.
So now they aren't releasing the Gnex cause their 4G LTE is crapping the bed... Seems their LTE service has all kinds of issues with each new phone that is released to it.
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They may control every aspect, but it sure does pay off for them and their subscribers, doesn't it?
Consumer Reports: Verizon has highest satisfaction rate among major US carriers, AT&T is lowest

I'm pissed!!! I'm shipping out my G2x Friday and thus wont have a phone until they get off their ass.
The phones are sitting in their stores. Its a little too late.
Verizon usually releases phones on Fridays? So of it misses this Friday, it won't be available until next Friday?
G2x - 2.3.7 CM7
Transformer - 3.2 Revolver OC/UV

randypurcz said:
Take a look through this forum. I think VZ would have to iron out all these issues before putting it up for sale. I doubt VZ is going to have thier tech support saying " oh you can just download this app to fix that issue". It's going to have to work 99%, or people will just bring it back in and swap phones. There really isn't anything so magnetic about this phone that will make a regular user say they can't part with it. Imagine 50,000 used phones, cases, screen protectors, cradles etc. I can understand a few issues with a new device, but it looks like there are quite a few.
So I guess we will just wait for the 9th and see.
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Do you seriously think Verizon will iron out anything?
Have you used a droid bionic? The phone is total garbage, riddled with bugs, and had plenty of Verizon and Motorola "testing time."
They will release it eventually and it will be full of plenty of bugs they missed. Who knows what the hell they're doing.

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They may control every aspect, but it sure does pay off for them and their subscribers, doesn't it?
Consumer Reports: Verizon has highest satisfaction rate among major US carriers, AT&T is lowest
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Well I will agree on one thing. Their cell reception is the best.
But I can't deal with their arrogance, and pricing. At the time the OG Droid launched (I got mine on first day), they said they were changing their style... going to be more open with regard to their phones. After the OG Droid was a huge success for both Verizon and Android, they pretty much went back to their old ways.
Now they are releasing their 2nd pure google phone. And they are dragging their feet with the release. Probably making google changed certain aspects of it, making it more closed then the GSM version.

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Well I will agree on one thing. Their cell reception is the best.
But I can't deal with their arrogance, and pricing. At the time the OG Droid launched (I got mine on first day), they said they were changing their style... going to be more open with regard to their phones. After the OG Droid was a huge success for both Verizon and Android, they pretty much went back to their old ways.
Now they are releasing their 2nd pure google phone. And they are dragging their feet with the release. Probably making google changed certain aspects of it, making it more closed then the GSM version.
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I'll agree that the pricing is outrageous, but until someone with an equal or better network (see: competition) comes along, Verizon will be the status quo as far as high quality networks are concerned.
I don't think the latest delay has anything to do with the Nexus as much as it has to do with the overall network from a QoS standpoint. As a network technician myself, I can tell you that the issues being described with LTE SIM Card Authentication warrant a "freeze" until the problem is rectified. Why introduce a large amount of new devices onto the network without resolving the problem first?

Was just in a Verizon store buying a case for my GSM nexus. Guy said they had the phones in store but got an email a couple hours ago that it was no longer being released on Friday. Didn't have any details but seems like the article posted was true.
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anyone know of any on-going discussion groups who are following the LTE issue?

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anyone know of any on-going discussion groups who are following the LTE issue?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=104418010

Funny I went looking for release dates. Mondays and Thursdays seem pretty common for Verizon. Also funny is the original 11/21 release date (I'm sure it was even earlier then that).
You know I've been on both sides. Push the release date until it's ready and people complain. Release the phone before its ready and people complain. Coming from a LG G2x, I can honestly say releasing the phone before it was ready was good for me but not for the population as a whole. The negative feedback it received as a "faulty device" forever scarred its name.

eallan said:
Do you seriously think Verizon will iron out anything?
Have you used a droid bionic? The phone is total garbage, riddled with bugs, and had plenty of Verizon and Motorola "testing time."
They will release it eventually and it will be full of plenty of bugs they missed. Who knows what the hell they're doing.
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Motorola isn't exactly known for making phones that aren't riddled with bugs.....
This sounds more like something with Verizon's LTE network and not something to do specifically with the phones themselves.

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http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=104418010
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thanks!
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termleech said:
Was just in a Verizon store buying a case for my GSM nexus. Guy said they had the phones in store but got an email a couple hours ago that it was no longer being released on Friday. Didn't have any details but seems like the article posted was true.
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Sigh... its pointless waiting for this phone.