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Its just a general observation, so now I get interested in running Android on my phone, the chatter, updates, discussions and info seems to have quietened down, was it something I said?
Looked at the XDA wiki for info and that hasn't been updated since 2009 (I put some updated info in there, but really it needs a complete re-write, its still listing version 1.1!), I don't feel qualified to re-write it, or I would. The HTC on Android site, seems also quiet, not listing the latest builds and some of the how to's seem out of date.
I guess its because the original developers have got new phone and moving on to bigger and brighter things, and fair enough, but where does that leave the rest of us?
I know I can't afford a new phone, so am stuck with what I've got, and really I'm happy with it, I know 50% of my office have Iphone's and consider my phone a 'brick' (it still does more than their Iphone's ha ).
So how can we keep this alive? get involved, Maintain the momentum and get people interested in Android development and testing on our devices, I'm not a cook (developer (well not of this kind, my work is Flex and Java back end stuff)), but can test builds (SD Card) or maintain doc's (if needed).
Myself I'm still only testing Android, I've not set this as my main OS yet, why? hum, well, battery seems to be number one issue. I don't know really what is stopping me from using it fully, maybe it 'seems' a bit rough at the edges, not got used to what button does what, (not always a direct mapping), I guess I just need to spend more time using it.
Anyway I'll stop blabbering on here, just wanted to get all that off my mind
Your thoughts? >>>>>
Android on Kaiser is far from dead, or dying, or even quiet, lol, I'm still beavering away trying to help others through the transition, although, the more users make the transition, the better, since they tend to help others in turn.
Behind the scenes there are a few things going on also, although there is a little bit of a feeling of waiting, since there is an expectation of 2.2 on the horizon now
Battery is not really so much of a problem as it was, yes, android still uses more power than winmo, but thats mostly down to the differences between the OS's rather than purely a device/driver issue. ( you should have been here in January, I actually overheated my battery to such an extent it warped the cover, and killed the battery , I had android running for 45 minutes, full to drained in 45 minutes produces a lot of heat ).
Builds are maturing nicely, and are a lot more stable than previously, all in all, it's perhaps not as much of a mad glorious race as it was, but it's still exciting
status: saving money for hd2 or evo
It's quiet here because most of the discussion seems to occur in the Vogue Android section. That's where a fair amount of work seems to come from, like Myn, DZO, and Incubus26Jc.
A lot has changed recently, especially in bugs and performance. GPS has improved a lot, to the point where I'd say it's stable.
wikis never stay up to date around here. anyone who cares just follows the individual dev threads as they change weekly/daily. start with stickies
Arrr I see, thank you, think I was having a bit of a 'slow day' thing going on, well I had time to update the wiki, I must have been bored!
Wow you killed a battery, 45 mins from full to flat, oh wow that's is bad, glad that has improved some what
I wasn't aware that the Vouge was similar to the Kiaser, so didn't think to look over there, so they share similar hardware?
Well since I started the thread, things have certainly picked up with the VaniljEclair release, whcih I am testing now, (wow that fonts are REALLY small!).
Good to there is there is still interesting and development going on.
Thank you for all the efforts, this really is cool stuff.
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I wasn't aware that the Vouge was similar to the Kiaser, so didn't think to look over there, so they share similar hardware?
Well since I started the thread, things have certainly picked up with the VaniljEclair release, whcih I am testing now, (wow that fonts are REALLY small!).
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they are similar enough to share general drivers. the android kernal allows boot parameters to determine which of a small group to load. these are hard coded so you must still install the correct nbh, but losers editor will take any .nbh and convert it to your phone since its just a parameter change. the android OS is like any other OS, all drivers are there and it picks the correct ones. in wimo the kernal and OS flash together with out boot options so you must get phone specific.
download roguetools from market and set the DPI higher. start with 120
Could be the warmer weather...
Thanks, I looked for RougeTools in the market but couldn't find it, so I installed the apps pack that comes with this build which had it in and then changed the dpi to 120, which is better, (still need to use a magnifier to read it but that's me, can't wait for a 'pinch zoom' type app ).
Is there a guide for using using / configuring Android anywhere?
I don't think I am a fan of Android. I admit, I was enthused, at first, but after spending a few days playing around with XDAndroid on my Tilt 2, I'm convinced that I'm in no hurry to upgrade my phone. I've been a WinMo user since 2003, so I'm pretty familiar with its strengths and weaknesses and how to overcome most of them. Droid does some things well (reflowing web pages when zooming is one), but it seems more like a Mac to me in the way that a lot of the OS is inaccessible to the user unlike WinMo. As a tinkerer/modder, I feel like WinMo lets me get under the hood easier and better and in more ways. I'm sure my short exposure to Android is probably not unbiased, but I just couldn't find the customizability level that WinMo has built-in to it. It looks good, it worked OK (a bit sluggish, horrendous battery usage and no BT didn't let me really enjoy it), but it just felt too rigid compared to the flexibility I'm used to with WinMo.
I do have to give props to the people behind porting this to work on my Tilt 2. I'm sure it wasn't easy. Thanks to all you developers who share your talents here and on PPCGeeks. Gonna play with it a little more, but I'm no longer feeling any Droid envy.
Well I guess it depends on how you look at it... there's no registry, but there's so many other ways to modify things within Android... After all, the source code is all available, and with a little bit of knowledge you can change anything.
Plus, don't chalk up poor performance and lack of BT to Android... our builds are NOT like native Android phones - don't expect it to be anytime soon either... Perhaps one day we'll get it close, but this phone has a tired old processor. Not many native Android phones have our slow processors & run Froyo
Heck, we'll probably run Gingerbread before 90% of the native Android devices officially get it!
Either way, this is just meant to be tested/had fun with. It's not supposed to replace WinMo
Yeah, I didn't expect it to be a replacement. I'm sure if I invested the time (like I have with WinMo) I would find all kinds of ways to bend Android to my will. I guess I just like what I'm used to better. The Android interface is too iPhone like for my tastes. I like having program groups, not a page full of icons of unrelated programs that I have to scroll through. I like that I have different backgrounds on all my screens and that I can access System items by category instead of scrolling through menu after menu. I did spend some time looking through the Android Market and was impressed by the number of apps, especially free ones, but I've yet to not find an app available for WinMo for the way I use the phone, most of them free, as well. I'm not convinced that Windows Phone 7 is the answer and I will NEVER buy an iPhone, so I will probably end up on some Android phone in the future. At least, thanks to this little preview, I know I don't need to switch anytime soon and can keep using my Tilt 2 until it dies.
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Well I guess it depends on how you look at it... there's no registry, but there's so many other ways to modify things within Android... After all, the source code is all available, and with a little bit of knowledge you can change anything.
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Personally I consider the lack of a registry a -good- thing.
****ing confirmed yihaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
F22 said:
Personally I consider the lack of a registry a -good- thing.
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Miami_Son said:
Yeah, I didn't expect it to be a replacement. I'm sure if I invested the time (like I have with WinMo) I would find all kinds of ways to bend Android to my will. I guess I just like what I'm used to better. The Android interface is too iPhone like for my tastes. I like having program groups, not a page full of icons of unrelated programs that I have to scroll through. I like that I have different backgrounds on all my screens and that I can access System items by category instead of scrolling through menu after menu. I did spend some time looking through the Android Market and was impressed by the number of apps, especially free ones, but I've yet to not find an app available for WinMo for the way I use the phone, most of them free, as well. I'm not convinced that Windows Phone 7 is the answer and I will NEVER buy an iPhone, so I will probably end up on some Android phone in the future. At least, thanks to this little preview, I know I don't need to switch anytime soon and can keep using my Tilt 2 until it dies.
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I'm with you 100% there! I still love playing with XDAndroid though... any time I start getting bored with WinMo I come play with it. One thing it did clarify for me is the difference between 'application' (WinMo) and 'app' (Android and IPhone) and I now understand why there are more 'apps' on the market... they're more single purpose where WinMo is more of a 'suite'.
This is not a flame as much as it is a testament to the great dev's here at XDA who work so hard at making these Android ports.
Having been forced to use WinMo due to "company policy" and using an Android device on the "sly", I would take Android over WinMo hands down. That is my personal opinion and choice.
And apparently the DEV's have done a great job at porting over XDAndroid to the TP2/Tilt2 as I noticed Miami_Son's signature now states Samsung Captivate (Android Device) as the primary phone and HTC Tilt 2 as "(going soon)."
I just found some humor in that.
Miami_Son said:
I don't think I am a fan of Android. I admit, I was enthused, at first, but after spending a few days playing around with XDAndroid on my Tilt 2, I'm convinced that I'm in no hurry to upgrade my phone. I've been a WinMo user since 2003, so I'm pretty familiar with its strengths and weaknesses and how to overcome most of them. Droid does some things well (reflowing web pages when zooming is one), but it seems more like a Mac to me in the way that a lot of the OS is inaccessible to the user unlike WinMo. As a tinkerer/modder, I feel like WinMo lets me get under the hood easier and better and in more ways. I'm sure my short exposure to Android is probably not unbiased, but I just couldn't find the customizability level that WinMo has built-in to it. It looks good, it worked OK (a bit sluggish, horrendous battery usage and no BT didn't let me really enjoy it), but it just felt too rigid compared to the flexibility I'm used to with WinMo.
I do have to give props to the people behind porting this to work on my Tilt 2. I'm sure it wasn't easy. Thanks to all you developers who share your talents here and on PPCGeeks. Gonna play with it a little more, but I'm no longer feeling any Droid envy.
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That's what ive been saying... its a great gimmick, but im just a windows fan at heart. I mean, games are great on it. Its like, if im picking someone up and im waiting for them, just boot up droid. Its like a mini arcade. I like that about it. the fact i can switch over from business to play. But for everyday use, winmo is just soooo much better for me. great interface. sense is a hog, but whatever. I flash my phone daily so I dont notice anything. i get a fraction of the errors with winmo i do with android.
Dont get me wrong, these ports are BADD-EFFIN-ASS!!! I mean just look at them, you can see the amount of time and energy they put into them. And ill continue to use it as an arcade... but a daily driver??? nnaaahhh
winmo=way2go
I too was a long timer with Winmo (since 2003) before they were integrated with phones...blablabla cough cough old school.
I discovered Android through my touchPro2 and was quite impressed how close I could get to Winmo's capabilities. The early versions of the kernel definitely needed to mature for a few years but in my opinion is now up to scratch...
I acquired the desire HD and have just been blown away by the extent of its capabilities like I was with Winmo in the old days.
Integration of apps within the OS actually make it grow stronger rather than stalls it if you guys see where I'm coming from.
What killed Winmo for me was its lack of good memory and screen resolution management.
All I'm eager to see is a good Office suite replacement and maybe TomTom but doesn't mean I can't edit word docx and navigate...(not at the same time of course).
Lastly, let's be real, Microsoft has pulled the plug on Winmo and Devs have moved on... It's almost as if I was still trying to get divx running on my poor Amiga (which I loved so much but had to let go).
That was my humble opinion, hope it will be understood accordingly. (now where is that Amiga emulator, lol)
Dodsin.
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This has got to be someone's idea of a bad joke. I have an LG Quantum on AT&T and a Moto Droid on VZW. If I hear one more person tell me that WP7 blows Android out of the water I'll club them over the head with a blunt instrument.
I don't even know where to start the complaints on this brick.
No custom ringtones.
No custom themes.
No SD card or other expandable memory. (Some devices may have this)
No sideloading apps.
Very few free apps. Even the free apps for Android are paid apps for WP7.
No Flash support.
No Bluetooth file transfer.
There's so many cons to this thing I'm sure I left a few out. Piece of advice for those in the market for a new phone, PASS! Get an Android phone or a dumbed down media phone before you get this POS. At least you know up front that Apple is gonna big brother you to death on their devices.
I'm sorry I even thought about posting this. Yes, I know these are documented. All I guess I really meant to say was that the platform lacks some of the most common features of modern smartphones.
I can't believe how many people will resort to name calling and personal attacks WHILE telling someone else to grow up.
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No custom ringtones.
No custom themes.
No SD card or other expandable memory. (Some devices may have this)
No sideloading apps.
Very few free apps. Even the free apps for Android are paid apps for WP7.
No Flash support.
No Bluetooth file transfer.
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LOL Wow.
First off, your post has absolutely nothing to do with the LG Quantum. Here I was all excited that someone actually had it and was going to debate some negatives with it.
Secondly, do you honestly use custom ringtones? Enough to create an entire thread about it?
Custom themes? Why, so you can have purple on neon pink? Blechh, there are barely any good custom themes for wm, and that thing's been around since the dark ages.
I've never paid for an app, and my app list is getting longer by the day. Are you blind? Can you not see the "FREE" list in every app category?
Flash is a bad idea, it just slows things down
SD card? The phone comes with 16gb. I've got tons of music, apps, and a couple movies, and I'm still at like 9gb left. What on earth are you loading onto your phone?
Bluetooth I'll give you. But the OS is early, it'll come.
See the problem is, adults with families, work, and lives don't have 10 hours a day to tweak and install fixes. Wp7 has that "it just works" functionality, with a next-gen sleek look and design. It's not Android (thank goodness), and you should have done some research before you went ahead and bought something out of the blue.
mcalhoun said:
At least you know up front that Apple is gonna big brother you to death on their devices.
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If you bothered to read up on your device before buying it, you'd also know "up front" that every one of your complaints is well documented.
They are limitations, but they are all well known limitations.
Casey
TROLL.
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TROLL.
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Just here under my bridge, chillin'!
mcalhoun said:
This has got to be someone's idea of a bad joke. I have an LG Quantum on AT&T and a Moto Droid on VZW. If I hear one more person tell me that WP7 blows Android out of the water I'll club them over the head with a blunt instrument.
I don't even know where to start the complaints on this brick.
No custom ringtones.
No custom themes.
No SD card or other expandable memory. (Some devices may have this)
No sideloading apps.
Very few free apps. Even the free apps for Android are paid apps for WP7.
No Flash support.
No Bluetooth file transfer.
There's so many cons to this thing I'm sure I left a few out. Piece of advice for those in the market for a new phone, PASS! Get an Android phone or a dumbed down media phone before you get this POS. At least you know up front that Apple is gonna big brother you to death on their devices.
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This is precisely why people with a braincell or two look into a phone before they get it. Also, WP7 blows android out of the water.
I just turned on and dinked around with my HTC Aria for the first time in several weeks (I hadn't used it since getting my Samsung Focus). It was a PITA to use in comparison to my Focus, and it was powered off and back in the drawer within a few minutes. Before you go on about different levels of Android devices, I'm specifically talking about the interface, style, and ease of use of the OS (or lack thereof).
Interestingly, I've already converted 4 people to WP7: 2 upgraded from feature phones, which means that they'd avoided smartphones for years and finally decided that WP7 was easy enough for them. The other two, my Dad and his wife, switched out an Android and a Blackberry, respectively, because neither ever had the time nor capacity to figure out either of those two operating systems. Both love their Focii.
So yeah, WP7 is bested in many, many ways by iOS and Android (and these have been well-documented), but there's a lot to be said for the new UI and its ease of use.
But, this is all a waste of breath because, as Jim said, TROLL.
mcalhoun said:
This has got to be someone's idea of a bad joke. I have an LG Quantum on AT&T and a Moto Droid on VZW. If I hear one more person tell me that WP7 blows Android out of the water I'll club them over the head with a blunt instrument.
I don't even know where to start the complaints on this brick.
No custom ringtones.
No custom themes.
No SD card or other expandable memory. (Some devices may have this)
No sideloading apps.
Very few free apps. Even the free apps for Android are paid apps for WP7.
No Flash support.
No Bluetooth file transfer.
There's so many cons to this thing I'm sure I left a few out. Piece of advice for those in the market for a new phone, PASS! Get an Android phone or a dumbed down media phone before you get this POS. At least you know up front that Apple is gonna big brother you to death on their devices.
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1. custom ringtones?
-chevron ringone manager...
2. custom themes?
you have the lg! It has full registry access. You can theme the device in several ways via the registry and even application shortcuts
there are three ways to theme
a. pin to start
offers image tiles to make a start wallpaper of program tiles
b. http://wmpoweruser.com/tutorial-for-creating-picture-wallpaper/
c. registry entries can be used to customize page layout, toolbars, menus, keyboards, EVERYTHING! If that's not a theme, please by all that is god, tell me what it is
3. LG Quantum - can someone fact check this?
http://att.deviceanywhere.com/LGQuantum/tutorials/8716
cause that shows how to expand memory
4. No sideloading?
ugh...chevron unlock and install...it's pretty simple
5. Very few free apps!?
85% of marketplace is free/trial apps. What are you smoking?
6. No flash support
Granted, but it's coming soon...
7. BT File transfer?
hm...here I thought people were moving to cloud based storage and not bt file systems
I say it again. If anyone is getting a device, read and research
Evidently you didn't...I don't even have an LG Quantum, but I know a lot about it. How about you just give it to me =)
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LOL Wow.
Here I was all excited that someone actually had it and was going to debate some negatives with it.
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If you really want to debate the phone itself (platform excluded) that's a bit difficult. As for the phone, the only "less desirable" features as far as I am concerned would be the slide out keyboard layout and I would like to have SD card storage for videos. I really like the hardware otherwise.
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1. custom ringtones?
-chevron ringone manager...
Chevron AFAIK no longer works.
2. custom themes?
you have the lg! It has full registry access. You can theme the device in several ways via the registry and even application shortcuts
there are three ways to theme
a. pin to start
offers image tiles to make a start wallpaper of program tiles
b. http://wmpoweruser.com/tutorial-for-creating-picture-wallpaper/
c. registry entries can be used to customize page layout, toolbars, menus, keyboards, EVERYTHING! If that's not a theme, please by all that is god, tell me what it is
I'll look into this more later but thanks for the tips I didn't know about.
3. LG Quantum - can someone fact check this?
http://att.deviceanywhere.com/LGQuantum/tutorials/8716
cause that shows how to expand memory
Again, Chevron's been pulled, I know it's available but evidently they've allowed it to be circumvented.
5. Very few free apps!?
85% of marketplace is free/trial apps. What are you smoking?
Really? I really must be looking in the wrong place.
6. No flash support
Granted, but it's coming soon...
7. BT File transfer?
hm...here I thought people were moving to cloud based storage and not bt file systems
I use the cloud based storage as well but it's useful for simple transfers of files from one device to another. I actually need this a lot.
I say it again. If anyone is getting a device, read and research
Evidently you didn't...I don't even have an LG Quantum, but I know a lot about it. How about you just give it to me =)
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LOL, I'll wait to see what becomes of it for a while first.
mcalhoun said:
If you really want to debate the phone itself (platform excluded) that's a bit difficult. As for the phone, the only "less desirable" features as far as I am concerned would be the slide out keyboard layout and I would like to have SD card storage for videos. I really like the hardware otherwise.
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Well it's not like I actively wanted... to discuss the Quantum, I just- just saw your headline, thought oh I have the same one, this will probably be interestin-... you know what, nevermind. It's obvious you just learned the english language yesterday afternoon. Take care of yourself.
chevron still loads, nodo hasn't even begun to penetrate American device; let alone lgs...
and even if it did, you have full registry access
Heck do you really and I mean really need chevron in this regard??? It's a 3 second registry edit away!
It doesn't take much to learn your device and learn your hacks, and save from no flash (battery drain and slows mobile down) and bt support, you have an extremely good device. Heck save from the garish design, I would venture to say that the lg is probably one of the best phones on the market. If it didn't look like it was from 2008, it would be extremely popular.
That said, read the quantum forums. You have plenty of options regarding to getting it the way you like it.
Actually, if you do want to give it a better home =) I would want one
Welcome to early adoption. Android had many of these teething problems at 1.0. You'll get used to it, and will love when the features start pouring in later this year.
Real LG Quantum user
At the risk of actually being on-topic:
I have the LG Quantum and I love it. The performance is great, the screen is bright, and I need a keyboard because I am a typist. I'm not a hunt and peck guy and the phone is my business phone. Even at that, I watch movies on NetFlix on 3G (don't need wifi) without a hitch.
Windows Phone 7 is easy to use. You don't need a manual like the phones with thousands of disparate apps that can all run at the same time, thus screwing your ability to even make a phone call, and eventually crashing the phone. My Wife has one too, and that definitely means it is easy to use. I too have converted people, because it not about raw features that many people don't care about, it is about ease of use for major tasks, like making phone calls, keeping in touch, and taking pictures.
I have IMDB which I use all the time, Facebook, Twitter, Netflix! (yay), and Kindle. I also have a few webpages pinned to my home screen, including the Kepler exo-planet count, and the wp7list app count, which is now fast closing in on 10,000.
I hate to say, but Android is like Windows Mobile -- I had that beast for a while, but it was hard to control with full multitasking. Invariably someone wrote a bad app (pretty often, really) and killed the battery.
I believe that with the current application launching model with tombstoning,
WP7 will be ahead when it does add multitasking, because apps already know how to be interrupted gracefully and restore gracefully. The order of this was pretty smart by microsoft because, when it comes, multitasking will "just work".
I like the way Microsoft limited access to items that could be harmful. Just after a few turkeys complained that the one should be able to call an API to send a text message whenever they liked, it was announced Android had wacko apps that would send your personal info without you knowing it, and kill not only your identity but your data plan as well.
Sure, there are things missing, like custom ring tones, but a phone is a tool for increasing my productivity, and secondarily a toy. I don't really want Microsoft to get the two confused.
Once we get the initial update glitches out the way, updates and upgrades will come. WP7 already has features that no one has -- Microsoft will add more, and I believe, faster in the future.
Enjoy Windows Phone 7!
-e
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If I hear one more person tell me that WP7 blows Android out of the water I'll club them over the head with a blunt instrument.
I can't believe how many people will resort to name calling and personal attacks WHILE telling someone else to grow up.
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You can't believe that when you tell someone you'll club them over the head with a blunt instrument, they call you names?
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You can't believe that when you tell someone you'll club them over the head with a blunt instrument, they call you names?
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LOL, touche huh? Oh, the things we'll say in the midst of a rant...
Lets try to keep it friendly and stay on topic please folks.....
Much appreciated.
I have no problems with Gingerbread. So why are we going through all the headache of leaked ICS builds when Gingerbread works so well? I guess what my question is...
What makes ICS better then Gingerbread?
Its newer and has more features, and I get joy out of having a higher os than some of my other android buddies
Why not ICS
Why not? Many of us here are not here for stable stock builds or anything. Many of us are tinkerer's.
Ive pretty much had no issue with FC07 through FC22, they're all daily drivable for me GPS works without a glitch. All my apps are restored in a couple of minutes of flashing over a tar and my contacts messages and call logs in seconds.
My only issue is keeping my signature up to date, its out of date already
This article does a pretty good comparison..
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-2-3-gingerbread-vs-android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-37742/
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Why not? Many of us here are not here for stable stock builds or anything. Many of us are tinkerer's.
Ive pretty much had no issue with FC07 through FC22, they're all daily drivable for me GPS works without a glitch. All my apps are restored in a couple of minutes of flashing over a tar and my contacts messages and call logs in seconds.
My only issue is keeping my signature up to date, its out of date already
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Ha ha same here, I finally just chose to put it as the rom I flash to before I feel I wanna flash something ICS again.
I hear this a lot and can't comprehend the question. Google the differences for yourself. It's not hard.
Also, sorry to disappoint you, but the Gingerbread build wasn't perfect either. For one thing, A2DP was severely broken and not fixed by Samsung until the ICS update. That alone is worth it for me even if I pretend ICS isn't.
I thought that one of the main reasons to upgrade was that gingerbread builds didn't have the capability to utilize dual core+ hardware, where as ice cream sandwich does.
Just one of the many, anyway.
Because latest and greatest is what XDA is all about
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I prefer ics, but I need a ROM that will last me all day. So, when the battery improves I will use it
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I love all the new transition and animations that make the new build feel more polished
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I prefer ICS, getting better battery life out of it.
GB is windows xp and ICS is windows 7, almost identical features but smoother with more eye candy. Surprising stable ics is supposed to be better on battery life as well.
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I am a tinkerer.
I have been logging on to XDA for almost a year now. I didn't join for a long time because I thought there are just to many flamers here. I don't think there are as many as there used to be but they are still there. Stop it. gosh.
I think this is a very good question. I for one don't want what's newest. I want what's best! I have a phone (E4GT) that is out of this world. It lets me do things I couldn't only 3 years ago. For some of you that may have been since Sept 28, 2008 when Android came out. Bravo to you for having it first. I am a very patient person and I want something that is extremely usable and fun. I think ICS is purdy looking for now and in time it will be everything it is now hyped up to be - until Jelly Bean comes out- then ICS will be what GB is now.
The problem I have with it at this point is the time line or transition for Apps. I am not saying that ICS is not better than GB. I am saying that the Apps need to be there for me to see a reason to upgrade. The Apps I mostly need/want at this point are Google Chrome and TSF Shell.
I have been playing with ICS with my old "EVO 4G" and from a user point I just don't see what the hype is about yet. Android Beam would be nice if I had NFC so I have to wait till my next round of an upgrade for that (whoo Hoo 2013 for all of this and LTE).
With that being said, Chrome is my other dilemma in that I want it, but I don't at the same time. With Chrome having no Flash support, it will be a great Web browser with no umph if I am viewing a Flash website. Yes, yes, I can always switch to ICS's default browser, but why should I have to do all that to look at one page. But the option of logging into chrome and having my web page open on my laptop from my phone is stupendous.
As far as TSF Shell goes- this is why I want it: It allows me to have 4 screens with 6 to 10 folders and/or widgets [while the folders are renamable containing 8-16 Apps] This gives me the option to have close to 120 {maybe less or more as I am averaging here} Apps per screen while keeping it all organized for easy selection, and the collapsible App Drawer for making phone,messaging, internet, setting and whatever else I want to add. I paid for it ($17) and I absolutely love it. I do have a few minor complaints, but it has made me happier than all the other Launchers have.
I realize these two things may not be for everyone but what it makes me question is what other Apps are still not available for ICS. ICS has gotten way better with the releases of the leaks!
I do love the picture taking options but I think there is an APK for this. Face unlock sounds wonderful but isn't worth my entire experience for that 1 function.
And well, Roboto. Yeah. I like customizing my font to what I want. So thumbs down to that too.
Multitasking - now there is a solid argument. How well does this work on the E4GT? I am asking you flashoholics out there on the interweb. Does it utilize the dual core+ better or we just gonna talk about the whole numbers thing? I want you to give your opinion about your actual experience not a chart or benchmark. Does it feel faster during multitasking or not compared to GB? I can look up the numbers but to me it doesn't mean diddly if the experience has some kind of flaw.
A2DP works just fine on Gingerbread now (at least for me as I use it everyday). I googled it. I could say some pretty nasty things to your post but instead I will just say there are many types of people on XDA and you could have at least posted what you do like in your opinion over what you didn't like instead of making this a sarcastic remark place. The OP here is just trying to make a choice or get a feel for why ICS is so good. Each one of us has a different phone- even if it is the same phone... and even if it has the same hardware- the software has been known to react differently (this is a known fact). Each one of us has a different Opinion also. So be nice or don't say anything at all.
AND Quit smacking others in the nuts for comments or asking questions.
As soon as I am tired of TSF Shell, I am sure I will be on the ICS bandwagon. But for now I am loving all the upgrades GB has as it is fine tuned.
"For now" may change today or tomorrow or next year. Actually I mentioned it earlier. My opinion is this- upgrade your phone when you know you can get at least 50% more "Function" out of a new phone/software. With the cost of these phones it is worth every penny to wait and be patient. Also I am not a fan of buying into something that has flaws to a point that I have to deal with it until a upgrade comes out. Unless you have the option of upgrading family phones all you want to get new phones all the time. To you sirs, I am jealous. You guys are rich. For you that have money, not so jealous. You just have money. blah blah blah
Now I am going to go put a little work into the garage on my project of putting an Infiniti AC/Heater system in my 68 Mustang. Because I am a tinkerer.
Ah and last but not least, to ICS or not to ICS- that is the question.
Its faster and more refined. There are updates to browser, email, gmail, launcher, app drawer, various menus, and apps that ran fine before seem faster.
Meh
Dealing with GPS probs, notification loss and battery issues aren't really worth it if you need your phone for professional reasons. But, I have found that the more recent builds and modems are pretty good, so I have been using them. Voice search is a TON better in ICS. That is enough for me. Just don't restore GB data to your ICS ROM, and you should be pretty stable. Also, the GPS trick works pretty well too.
At this point I would love a stripped down gingerbread at his point.
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dudeman1st said:
Dealing with GPS probs, notification loss and battery issues aren't really worth it if you need your phone for professional reasons. But, I have found that the more recent builds and modems are pretty good, so I have been using them. Voice search is a TON better in ICS. That is enough for me. Just don't restore GB data to your ICS ROM, and you should be pretty stable. Also, the GPS trick works pretty well too.
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Kind of a buyer beware thing. I always get a good laugh at people that install a leak, then say things like, " I need this feature to work so I won't use your rom" (almost always refering to a known issue that is pointed out in the OP) If you need all of your phones functions to work ... don't use a leaked build! lol There is a reason it's not an official build released to the masses. It's not done yet! Not directed at you, or even your post, just reminded me of the many posts I've seen regarding leaks, betas and alphas.
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At this point I would love a stripped down gingerbread at his point.
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Closest thing you'll get to that is the CM7 bubby thingamabob. No one else is going to do anything for Gingerbread anymore because everyone's infatuated with ICS.
jpkelly05 said:
I am a tinkerer.
I have been logging on to XDA for almost a year now. I didn't join for a long time because I thought there are just to many flamers here. I don't think there are as many as there used to be but they are still there. Stop it. gosh.
I think this is a very good question. I for one don't want what's newest. I want what's best! I have a phone (E4GT) that is out of this world. It lets me do things I couldn't only 3 years ago. For some of you that may have been since Sept 28, 2008 when Android came out. Bravo to you for having it first. I am a very patient person and I want something that is extremely usable and fun. I think ICS is purdy looking for now and in time it will be everything it is now hyped up to be - until Jelly Bean comes out- then ICS will be what GB is now.
The problem I have with it at this point is the time line or transition for Apps. I am not saying that ICS is not better than GB. I am saying that the Apps need to be there for me to see a reason to upgrade. The Apps I mostly need/want at this point are Google Chrome and TSF Shell.
I have been playing with ICS with my old "EVO 4G" and from a user point I just don't see what the hype is about yet. Android Beam would be nice if I had NFC so I have to wait till my next round of an upgrade for that (whoo Hoo 2013 for all of this and LTE).
With that being said, Chrome is my other dilemma in that I want it, but I don't at the same time. With Chrome having no Flash support, it will be a great Web browser with no umph if I am viewing a Flash website. Yes, yes, I can always switch to ICS's default browser, but why should I have to do all that to look at one page. But the option of logging into chrome and having my web page open on my laptop from my phone is stupendous.
As far as TSF Shell goes- this is why I want it: It allows me to have 4 screens with 6 to 10 folders and/or widgets [while the folders are renamable containing 8-16 Apps] This gives me the option to have close to 120 {maybe less or more as I am averaging here} Apps per screen while keeping it all organized for easy selection, and the collapsible App Drawer for making phone,messaging, internet, setting and whatever else I want to add. I paid for it ($17) and I absolutely love it. I do have a few minor complaints, but it has made me happier than all the other Launchers have.
I realize these two things may not be for everyone but what it makes me question is what other Apps are still not available for ICS. ICS has gotten way better with the releases of the leaks!
I do love the picture taking options but I think there is an APK for this. Face unlock sounds wonderful but isn't worth my entire experience for that 1 function.
And well, Roboto. Yeah. I like customizing my font to what I want. So thumbs down to that too.
Multitasking - now there is a solid argument. How well does this work on the E4GT? I am asking you flashoholics out there on the interweb. Does it utilize the dual core+ better or we just gonna talk about the whole numbers thing? I want you to give your opinion about your actual experience not a chart or benchmark. Does it feel faster during multitasking or not compared to GB? I can look up the numbers but to me it doesn't mean diddly if the experience has some kind of flaw.
A2DP works just fine on Gingerbread now (at least for me as I use it everyday). I googled it. I could say some pretty nasty things to your post but instead I will just say there are many types of people on XDA and you could have at least posted what you do like in your opinion over what you didn't like instead of making this a sarcastic remark place. The OP here is just trying to make a choice or get a feel for why ICS is so good. Each one of us has a different phone- even if it is the same phone... and even if it has the same hardware- the software has been known to react differently (this is a known fact). Each one of us has a different Opinion also. So be nice or don't say anything at all.
AND Quit smacking others in the nuts for comments or asking questions.
As soon as I am tired of TSF Shell, I am sure I will be on the ICS bandwagon. But for now I am loving all the upgrades GB has as it is fine tuned.
"For now" may change today or tomorrow or next year. Actually I mentioned it earlier. My opinion is this- upgrade your phone when you know you can get at least 50% more "Function" out of a new phone/software. With the cost of these phones it is worth every penny to wait and be patient. Also I am not a fan of buying into something that has flaws to a point that I have to deal with it until a upgrade comes out. Unless you have the option of upgrading family phones all you want to get new phones all the time. To you sirs, I am jealous. You guys are rich. For you that have money, not so jealous. You just have money. blah blah blah
Now I am going to go put a little work into the garage on my project of putting an Infiniti AC/Heater system in my 68 Mustang. Because I am a tinkerer.
Ah and last but not least, to ICS or not to ICS- that is the question.
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I am using TSF Shell fine on fc22 build and chrome is still on beta.
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Like many of us, I'm not a big fan of these recent dramatic changes. At least make an option for us to still use the older one like Reddit does.
rms112 said:
Like many of us, I'm not a big fan of these recent dramatic changes. At least make an option for us to still use the older one like Reddit does.
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Tbh I don't think this is possible, because xda has undergone such an overhaul, even the thank meter system and the title system has been changed. Having the older version would mean to recreate it so it embraces all the new stuff here, it could happen but that's very unlikely since it's hard work, and the vast majority of the members actually like this revamped version. Give it a day or two and I think you'll get used to it
This is not going to be possible, but we do have a classic theme if you want an older look.
Yeh, need to move forward into the unknown!
The Classic theme helps....
Aw goly, not liking this new site.
Particularly don't like that the most recent threads under their respective sections can't be seen.
If this could be brought back it would be appreciated.
There is no more "old way" anymore, they migrated and moved all the content from the old site to the new site so as far as I am aware, the "old" site is gone. I personally don't like it yet, but with anything new, comes change, and time to get used to it. I am sure in time we will all have a better experience once they finish the migrations and we all get used to it.
I also noticed I cant edit the posts yet (or I cant find a way to do it) in the new system, so I hope its a bug that gets fixed because I make numerous grammar issues the first round (trying to get the info out of my brain tends to be funky the first round), then I clean it up but only when I can edit my post. This could simply be a user error, or possibly an ID10T error.
The amount of work it would take to maintain two completely separate codebases wouldn't be worth the hassle at all.
As for "like Reddit does":
They are owned by a massive company, they can afford to maintain the old site for at least a bit while they build the newer site out. XDA doesn't have the manpower or server power to do that.
It's only temporary, Reddit isn't gonna keep the old site around forever. Just like YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook when they did massive redesigns a couple years ago, the old site eventually shut down once they migrated 90-100% of the functionality over.
bgiesing said:
The amount of work it would take to maintain two completely separate codebases wouldn't be worth the hassle at all.
As for "like Reddit does":
They are owned by a massive company, they can afford to maintain the old site for at least a bit while they build the newer site out. XDA doesn't have the manpower or server power to do that.
It's only temporary, Reddit isn't gonna keep the old site around forever. Just like YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook when they did massive redesigns a couple years ago, the old site eventually shut down once they migrated 90-100% of the functionality over.
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Yeah I get that small team etc. But no one does an overnight overhaul with half of the features missing/not working. Even mobile app stopped working including the official app. That is very unprofessional. Most sane people would have them both side by side, for sometime, while fixing bugs on the new site and new app. This way users can still have a nice user experience, while getting familiar with newer website transition.
But, well what can I say, XDA is not my company. They can do whatever the heck they want.
bitpushr said:
This is not going to be possible, but we do have a classic theme if you want an older look.
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On individual forum it's not displaying the lastest post info on the main page forcing you to open each section. The global new posts section works fine.
Doesn't display the user stats on the poster's post as before; more blank, unused dead space.
The "thanks" is all goofed up.
Rather have a smart complicated gf than a pretty dumb one... as their beauty rapidly fades as you get to know them.
Im fine with the overhaul but come on, where are the files attachments on other posts? where are the links? if you will left those, then better shut down this BS forum.
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Yeah I get that small team etc. But no one does an overnight overhaul with half of the features missing/not working. Even mobile app stopped working including the official app. That is very unprofessional. Most sane people would have them both side by side, for sometime, while fixing bugs on the new site and new app. This way users can still have a nice user experience, while getting familiar with newer website transition.
But, well what can I say, XDA is not my company. They can do whatever the heck they want.
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You should know that you are only seeing the tip of the iceberg. This change didn't happen overnight. There was a significant userbase testing the new XenoForo interface for months prior to release so they did exist side by side. Thing is, a testing environment is never the same as the real deal so at the official launch so of course some quirks came up. If anything, you can say they have been working in a very professional manner to work those out. In the first 24 hours after releasing most major issues were already resolved. The biggest one right now is probably still some posts/threads missing. Change is never easy
infinitylook said:
Im fine with the overhaul but come on, where are the files attachments on other posts? where are the links? if you will left those, then better shut down this BS forum.
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The changes were announced a long time ago and the announcement was highlighted on top of every section of every subforum. Which are you missing anyway? I see my attachments (like this one) are still present. Mind that the migration is still not 100% complete yet.
Oh and if anyone is still feeling a bit homesick, remember that the web's archive is there for you! *CLICK!*