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Greetings.
For the longest, i've been trying to get the full cricket service working under xdandroid, CM6, etc, on the RAPH800 phone using various methods posted in this forum, ppcgeeks, connect-utb, and other blogs... to no avail. The best was talk/sms, and using the web browser, access the web via the data line.
and then i found this: cricket wireless has a "new" android plan that will work for their android phones.
Has anyone using cricket and a flashed/haret'ed android os subscribed to the "android plan ($55)" and got the full cricket wireless services working?
(talk, text, mms, email, market, data, etc.)
The RAPH800 isn't an Android device, so the Android-specific plans don't apply.
For example, Sprint & VZW charge extra (you must have a certain teir plan) to get an Android device. Heck I've heard SERO members on Sprint outright cannot purchase an Android device without giving up SERO entirely.
So the trick is probably related to the Cricket proxy - have you tried setting it up...?
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arrrghhh said:
The RAPH800 isn't an Android device, so the Android-specific plans don't apply.
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So the trick is probably related to the Cricket proxy - have you tried setting it up...?
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Yes. And in the APN settings, i am able to browse the web, but not log onto the google account nor visit the Market.
i even tried the u2nl and autostart.sh solution to no avail.
My guess would be: subscribe to the "android plan" and then apply those solutions... but the plan is beyond my budget for the time being.
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My guess would be: subscribe to the "android plan" and then apply those solutions... but the plan is beyond my budget for the time being.
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I would recommend against that - you could end up applying for a plan that could potentially cause issues with your device (probably not, but you never know...)
At best you'd end up paying more money and since you don't have an actual Android phone not be able to reap the benefits of having an actual Android phone...
Is there a global place to adjust proxy settings? Perhaps Cricket sees the market traffic and outright blocks it... that is a shame if that's the case. Personally, I wouldn't pony up for an Android plan unless I was running an Android phone...
It's kinda a stupid workaround, but can you access the market and google services thru wifi?
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Is there a global place to adjust proxy settings?
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The only obvious place is through the APN Settings
sure, one can hack into the files relating to networking (since it is linux-based)... but any changes via GUI would over-write the files. (anyone wanna confirm this claim? )
Perhaps there's an app in the Marketplace dealing with proxies... (anyone wanna recommend one? )
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It's kinda a stupid workaround, but can you access the market and google services thru wifi?
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THAT is the only way i can access market and google services for now...
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Perhaps Cricket sees the market traffic and outright blocks it... that is a shame if that's the case.
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i get the same response from the other related forums... including the word "Perhaps" ... but no hard evidence.
Is there a way to determine if this is really true using the android debugger, or some other tools?
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i get the same response from the other related forums... including the word "Perhaps" ... but no hard evidence.
Is there a way to determine if this is really true using the android debugger, or some other tools?
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I would imagine if you could run a netstat command while trying to access said services, and if you get any SYN_SENT's... then it's pretty certain that it is being blocked.
I could also be barking up the wrong tree, that's just how I would probably figure it out if it was a computer
The easiest way is have a dealer add your TP to the account as the Zio then change it to the 60z "$55 Android plan" refresh the features.
Then for the setting on the phone:
Using CDMA WS or the likes write the NV files from whiterabbit.org set the EVDO passwords, double check all the epst setting, then check your data connection in WM. If it's working in WM flash the Android ROM of your liking, waite for the 3g or H icon to appear and you will have a fully flashed Android TP. Also note you will need an updated PRL, most are using 32100.
I am proof it is working, I have it running on a Touch and plan to load it on the wifes TP this weekend.
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The easiest way is have a dealer add your TP to the account as the Zio then change it to the 60z "$55 Android plan" refresh the features.
Then for the setting on the phone:
Using CDMA WS or the likes write the NV files from whiterabbit.org set the EVDO passwords, double check all the epst setting, then check your data connection in WM. If it's working in WM flash the Android ROM of your liking, waite for the 3g or H icon to appear and you will have a fully flashed Android TP. Also note you will need an updated PRL, most are using 32100.
I am proof it is working, I have it running on a Touch and plan to load it on the wifes TP this weekend.
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Thanks for affirming it works... for the Touch.
However, from the sites observed, the Touch Pro does not have the NAND option working, and we're stuck with using the Haret method instead... unless i'm mistaken.
With Haret, is it the same proceedure as you've outlined above, or is there another?
I wouldn't see the point of paying extra for something that's only usuable part-time...
I had too many call-related issues to be running Android full-time.
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Thanks for affirming it works... for the Touch.
However, from the sites observed, the Touch Pro does not have the NAND option working, and we're stuck with using the Haret method instead... unless i'm mistaken.
With Haret, is it the same proceedure as you've outlined above, or is there another?
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Haret or NAND, it doesn't really matter.
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I wouldn't see the point of paying extra for something that's only usuable part-time...
I had too many call-related issues to be running Android full-time.
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If you had a WM device on the Android plan it's going to open the access up. You will get full use of POP email, apps that you may not now.
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If you had a WM device on the Android plan it's going to open the access up. You will get full use of POP email, apps that you may not now.
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Yes but IMHO it would only make sense to pay extra for something that you can use. Not that Android is completely unusable, it's just not usable as a full-time OS.
So I was thinking, after a error I received when updating my MCE PC.
In regards of PC when microsoft issues an update of windows 7 they do not have to think to much about hardware it is running on as drivers are done by manufacturer, ATI, Nvidia, intel or other. If they ever release a driver via windows update, any other driver the same, if all goes tits up you can go to safe mode and roll back drivers.
Now in case of WM6.5 drivers or other updates were downloaded from phone manufacturers website so they knew best how to mod it for their hardware and if all went tits up you could do a hard reset. Only good, tested mods went in to rom update.
Now with wp7, if I understand correctly, updates will become part of the original rom as there is no rom flashing by user. It has to be like that as if that would not be the case then hard reset could make the phone broken for hours until all your updates were up. So what if microsoft screws up and gets it wrong on their server and lets say HTC downloads a update for LG? It will screw up the phone and hard reset will not help. It does happen for PC's. With time there will be plenty more hardware out there so mistakes will be more likely. All you need is touch screen drivers to be buggy and phone might boot up but no access to it at all.
Who will take the blame for that? At first it will go back to seller on warranty but if there was a mass problem they would say no.
Look at apple, they release an OS update it is permanent. As they only have like 4 phones to deal with it is easy to test it. With time there will be plenty of wp7 models, just look at wm6.5.
How are we protected from that not happening?
Pretty sure updates are tested extensively by microsoft as well as the carriers.
How would WP7 be different than any other mobile OS in this regard?
i think desktop to phone comparison isn't really correct. with windows phone, MS knows what phones are being made and therefore can keep a proper database of these phones. why? well MS provides keys which get built straight into the memory of the phone (the issue with the HTC HD2 not working with WP7). so you won't just get any joe blogs install windows phone 7 on whatever they feel like it (as you do with wm6.5/android). so therefore, it's very rare that you'll get issues where the phone gets incorrect software not intended for it as MS can manage it properly on their servers, as well as pull anything that were rolled out straight off the phone (e.g. if an app misbehaves but somehow makes it through to marketplace, they can send a command to uninstall the app [same as iOS/Android]).
greener88 said:
Pretty sure updates are tested extensively by microsoft as well as the carriers.
How would WP7 be different than any other mobile OS in this regard?
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On WM6.5 updates are seperate little programs, patches, if one does not work well with your phone or certain app you hard reset and not install it next time.
With WM7 all goes in, updates rom image and you are stuck.
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i think desktop to phone comparison isn't really correct. with windows phone, MS knows what phones are being made and therefore can keep a proper database of these phones. why? well MS provides keys which get built straight into the memory of the phone (the issue with the HTC HD2 not working with WP7). so you won't just get any joe blogs install windows phone 7 on whatever they feel like it (as you do with wm6.5/android). so therefore, it's very rare that you'll get issues where the phone gets incorrect software not intended for it as MS can manage it properly on their servers, as well as pull anything that were rolled out straight off the phone (e.g. if an app misbehaves but somehow makes it through to marketplace, they can send a command to uninstall the app [same as iOS/Android]).
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You can compare with desktop, in case of desktop and WM6.5 you could select what to install, also you could always revert back if there were issues. With 6.5 by hard reset and reinstall minus not working app, on PC by rolling back the system.
As said above in WM7 when it is in it is in (that is if I got the info right).
In regards of keys, all you need is typing error. In regards of not working apps there is few that work on some WP7 phones and not others. Mistakes and half finished apps happen. I feel the same will happen with WP7 updates. Probably not now but look 2 years down the line where there will be 100's differant phone models.
Who will test all the updates, not MS and when update is out it is out. If the phone does not boot command to uninstall is not going to help. Especially that we are talking OS update. Apple can not send a command to rollback iphone 3gs from new-est os to one below.
Uh perfect example is apple where first release of iphone 4 os to 3gs did not work to well on all handsets, it was quite slow and they had to make another update. All users that did do it were stuck.
At the end we are talking MS, they do make mistakes. They do a lot of them on normal PC updates where patch does not work as expected.
I think you are mistaken. Every official update that has ever been done on my winmo phones was a full new OS and radio. Complete with hard reset.
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I think you are mistaken. Every official update that has ever been done on my winmo phones was a full new OS and radio. Complete with hard reset.
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No that is 6.5, wm7 will be more like PC, no rom updating just small patches integrated in to rom via windows update.
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On WM6.5 updates are seperate little programs, patches, if one does not work well with your phone or certain app you hard reset and not install it next time.
With WM7 all goes in, updates rom image and you are stuck.
You can compare with desktop, in case of desktop and WM6.5 you could select what to install, also you could always revert back if there were issues. With 6.5 by hard reset and reinstall minus not working app, on PC by rolling back the system.
As said above in WM7 when it is in it is in (that is if I got the info right).
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No that is 6.5, wm7 will be more like PC, no rom updating just small patches integrated in to rom via windows update.
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that was the same on wm6.5 and after a hardreset the update was still there (not working on custom rom's because they ripped the modules )
but MS didn't used it allot , Da_g has a whole thread of it explaining how cooks could use it to update there rom's from there own servers and .cert .
but a lot of cooks won't use this because you cannot protect your rom's any more
and ofcourse not cool for us ORD dud's
Microsoft specify the CPU and chipset to be used by every manufacturer, it is part of the specifications they have to adhere to to be granted a licence to use the WP7 OS.
Therefore the update should never brick the phone, as if it works on one it will work on all. That was kinda the whole point. It's a solution that sits in between the ass-crack tightness of Apple and the Grandma looseness of Android. I call it the Kylie zone.
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Microsoft specify the CPU and chipset to be used by every manufacturer, it is part of the specifications they have to adhere to to be granted a licence to use the WP7 OS.
Therefore the update should never brick the phone, as if it works on one it will work on all. That was kinda the whole point. It's a solution that sits in between the ass-crack tightness of Apple and the Grandma looseness of Android. I call it the Kylie zone.
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The Kylie zone
On that screens are not the same so here is one, then touch panel on screen, charging units or even sound output sockets. There is a lot. With time also chipsets/CPU will change. Like for example snapdragon 1.5ghz that is somewhere near to come out.
Ceesheim ok so it is there but not used. However you could always revert back to stock rom in 6.5 (unless total brick where bootloader not working) by means of download and flash. For WP7 we do not have that and there is no word about it ever being there officially. So if you brick via update you have to send it for repair.
I suspet MS did not use it to much for the same reason I am thinking off. Look at how many differnat devices there are for 6.5 with hardware ranging from identical to completly different.
I guess time will tell how it will all work, general idea is sound it is just that I do not feel comfortable with fact that if a update screws up my device I have to send it for warranty or shell out for repair.
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The Kylie zone
On that screens are not the same so here is one, then touch panel on screen, charging units or even sound output sockets. There is a lot. With time also chipsets/CPU will change. Like for example snapdragon 1.5ghz that is somewhere near to come out.
Ceesheim ok so it is there but not used. However you could always revert back to stock rom in 6.5 (unless total brick where bootloader not working) by means of download and flash. For WP7 we do not have that and there is no word about it ever being there officially. So if you brick via update you have to send it for repair.
I suspet MS did not use it to much for the same reason I am thinking off. Look at how many differnat devices there are for 6.5 with hardware ranging from identical to completly different.
I guess time will tell how it will all work, general idea is sound it is just that I do not feel comfortable with fact that if a update screws up my device I have to send it for warranty or shell out for repair.
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we can revert back by flashing a new stock rom ( look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=783 all the roms there can be used )
there are a lot of people who did that with a phone that had a demo rom (shop phones ) and after flashing a new rom al was working normal .
I'm sure we'll all be totally fine. The bootloader will stay intact, so even if you screw up the normal update. You could always flash the old rom on top with the bootloader still intact.
The only way your idea would work is if the bootloader itself got messed up in the process.
And in 6.5 you couldn't update your HTC Diamond 2 with the normal Diamond, or HD2 firmware. There are checks at the beginning to make sure this is for this exact phone. And in some cases, the checks even implemented being locked down to the region. We only were able to put whatever ROM we wanted to put on our phones when we totally took off that protection. And even then I believe you wouldn't have been able to put a ROM that wasn't meant for the phone on there.
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we can revert back by flashing a new stock rom ( look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=783 all the roms there can be used )
there are a lot of people who did that with a phone that had a demo rom (shop phones ) and after flashing a new rom al was working normal .
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Uh did not see that. Good then.
Hi All,
Just tried buying an app from the marketplace and got this message:
"Can't get this info right now, please try again later"
I just spent about an hour searching various forums, and there seems to be a real difference of opinion about what this message means. Some posters suggest that it indicates a problem at MS's end (i.e. they're doing maintenance, something is wrong with Windows Live etc), and so the best thing to do is sit tight. Others seem to think it is user problem, and you need to reset the phone, clear the history in IE, turn on/off cookies in IE, etc... Given I didn't change anything on my phone and this just started happening for no obvious reason, I'm inclined to think its an MS problem. Anyone else dealt with this? Advice would be helpful as I don't want to waste time trying all the suggested solutions online...
I have two devices (Trophy). One is OK, but the other the same that you. All are update with the february update...
Just spoke with Microsoft support and they weren't very helpful. Suggested it might be something to do with the IP address the phone is using (I'm currently in Canada, although my Windows Live / Zune account is in the US). That doesn't really make sense to me, as I have been using the phone in Canada since the Feb update with no problems - why should it suddenly have a problem with the IP address? Also, I can still use my Zune Pass...
Sorry my english. I uninstall all aplications with updates in marketplace in the device that not connect. But remains one: Xbox Live Extras. With this device I can't connect to Xbox live. ¿Can you connect to Xbox live? The another device that it's right connect without problems...
Today it works... This night made changes in the profile of XBox Live... But I dón't know if had been casuality...
I have the same problem with my hd7, in spain, since this afternoon i cant buy anything on the market place... xbox live works, zunepass works but no market i cant get nothing even free stuff does not work... any ideas?
Count me in on the Market app install problem. Been trying all day to install some apps and they won't. I get the same message as the OP.
quantum on att here. same problem off and on. i find that if i wait for a few seconds (as if to have the marketplace dumbware to finish loading), and then tap "install" it usually goes through. when it goes through, it says "purchasing" rather than showing only the dots.
Haven't had any problems since I did a hard reset and then "rebuilt" the phone with a Canadian Windows Live account. Can't access my Zune Pass on the phone anymore, of course...
Any chance the update did something to our phones? Has everyone posting here had the update?
BenJG said:
Haven't had any problems since I did a hard reset and then "rebuilt" the phone with a Canadian Windows Live account. Can't access my Zune Pass on the phone anymore, of course...
Any chance the update did something to our phones? Has everyone posting here had the update?
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Not mine. Still 7004
The same for me with 7004, 7008 and nodo update.
I test one thing : changing my windows live id wth another email adress
it works like a chrm
so th bug is due to the windows live account and not the market
grrrr, i loss all the programs i've been purchasing before!
Seiya said:
The same for me with 7004, 7008 and nodo update.
I test one thing : changing my windows live id wth another email adress
it works like a chrm
so th bug is due to the windows live account and not the market
grrrr, i loss all the programs i've been purchasing before!
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The Market seems to be working now. Apps are now installing.
Can anyone else confirm that the problem has now resolved itself? I'm not all that eek to hard reset my phone again and go back to my original live account if it's not going to make a difference...
I just got this problem now! grr, hard reset for no reason, ffs!
Hard reset and set up with US-based account. All working perfectly again. I suspect this problem has something to do with our Live accounts at Microsoft's end. If it happen to me again, I think I'll just wait for things to (hopefully) resolve themselves.
I was having this issue for a week now and fixed it today about 5 hours ago actually. I was looking to see what I may have done recently to cause the issue and I had cookies disabled. Once I re-enabled it, everything worked again.
Well it Works for me again...
I just went to setup one of my new units and even with the router blocking the 2 urls which worked fine yesterday my unit tonight did in fact take the update and is now at 51.1.4.0 !
Is anyone aware of a new server that Amazon is using to push updates when first setting up the unit??? This is very upsetting!
I CANNOT CHANGE THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD BUT DISCOVERED MY ROUTER WAS NOT BLOCKING URLS PROPERLY. WITH A NEW ROUTER THAT IS BLOCKING THE CURRENT URLS THE UNIT WILL NOT LOAD SO MY ASSUMPTION WAS INCORRECT AND I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY CONFUSION THAT THIS POST MIGHT HAVE CAUSED!!
(Perhaps a mod can change the title of this thread to a question instead of a statement???)
This is not good news. Hopefully someone has an answer for you as I am curious as well. I still have a couple that I need to set-up and really don't want to lose root.
fxbill said:
I just went to setup one of my new units and even with the router blocking the 2 urls which worked fine yesterday my unit tonight did in fact take the update and is now at 51.1.4.0 !
Is anyone aware of a new server that Amazon is using to push updates when first setting up the unit??? This is very upsetting!
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Mine had something weird happen yesterday too. I was trying to backup my XBMC using adbFire and kept getting disconnected. So I'd connect again, get an error message, connect, then get disconnected. When it finally connected with a solid connection, I noticed that the Amazon Updates went from being turned OFF to ON. I unplugged everything and blocked all traffic through my modem before reconnecting. I've done a few reboots since then and everything is back to normal...on 51.1.1.0 with updates back off.
It felt like Amazon was trying to push an update to my unit, but I have no way to prove that. I'm very interested in seeing what is going on.
Well it is a possibility... Just glad I don't have to worry to much about it with CWM installed on all my FTV's...
Anyway... Guess @AFTVnews.com or some of those experiencing the problems can sniff if anything has changed using the WireShark prog. :cyclops:
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Well it is a possibility... Just glad I don't have to worry to much about it with CWM installed on all my FTV's...
Anyway... Guess @AFTVnews.com or some of those experiencing the problems can sniff if anything has changed using the WireShark prog. :cyclops:
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Just wish people weren't bricking their devices trying to load CWM...
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Just wish people weren't bricking their devices trying to load CWM...
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The problem I've seen are folks starting from the same info point (guide/order) while their AFTV's are in different device states. It's not hard to do at all once you know from where you are starting. That way you can map out the correct order of steps with the Apps... You do have to choose weather to do it manually thru ADB or with an APP... I trust the APP more then doing it manually... I have seen folks trying to do stuff from the guides like the renaming of FW or Recovery files while trying to use the APP which is not necessary(Not sure if the .zip is being renamed twice, manually & by the app). Also RBox mentioned he is working on trying to stop the possible bricking....
Start at the first post here to get an idea how easy it should be. But the steps order or numbers can change depending what FW you are starting at & if it's a new out of the box or if its one that needs to be FW downgraded or both Recovery & FW downgraded.
Read page 47 just to familiarize yourself with the process. Don't try it right now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2736774&page=47
If the problem is a new IP address that needs to be blocked. You need to wait for confirmation. If you can't wait then I would try to do the Stock Recovery Downgrade/ReRoot/Disable OTA Updates/FW Downgrade/CWM Installation, etc with only ADB allowed aka Offline. But not sure how some of the changes will require internet... Like to reconnect to your Amazon account. I would wait for confirmation of a new IP or other problem.. Probably offline...
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Just wish people weren't bricking their devices trying to load CWM...
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I don't know of anyone who bricked installing CWM.
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I don't know of anyone who bricked installing CWM.
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Completely Correct... Some folks have run into problems during the downgrading. But even for them the keyboard trick with patience should/have get them back on the road to CWM. Got confirmation on a few threads here of folks getting CWM installed after getting stuck with the white Amazon screen or black screen.
I just tested with a Fire TV running stock 51.1.3.0_user_513011820 and it tried to download 51.1.4.0_user_514006420 from the same domain and URL as it always had. I then factory reset it and it again tried to download 51.1.4.0_user_514006420 during the initial setup form the same domain: amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net
So based on this test, I see no indication the update URL has changed. Of Course, it's possible Amazon is using a new URL for some Fire TVs while others are using the known URLs.
I'll continue checking periodically and report back if the URL changes for this particular FIre TV.
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I just tested with a Fire TV running stock 51.1.3.0_user_513011820 and it tried to download 51.1.4.0_user_514006420 from the same domain and URL as it always had. I then factory reset it and it again tried to download 51.1.4.0_user_514006420 during the initial setup form the same domain: amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite.net
So based on this test, I see no indication the update URL has changed. Of Course, it's possible Amazon is using a new URL for some Fire TVs while others are using the known URLs.
I'll continue checking periodically and report back if the URL changes for this particular FIre TV.
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You didn't indicate whether it took the new firmware or not....did it upgrade to 51.1.4.0 or download the firmware?
I had a thought about this last night, but of course it's too late to try it on my units, but my router has 2 options....One is to block specific URLs which is what I did. The other is to only allow specific urls to be accessed. I'm wondering if you only allowed firs-ta-g7g.amazon.com to be accessed since you need that to register the unit and complete the setup if you could still get through the setup routine. It wouldn't allow any connection except to firs-ta-g7g.amazon.com. Don't have a unit to try it with, but it might just work and if not the worst that would happen is that you wouldn't get through the setup....no harm done.
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You didn't indicate whether it took the new firmware or not....did it upgrade to 51.1.4.0 or download the firmware?
I had a thought about this last night, but of course it's too late to try it on my units, but my router has 2 options....One is to block specific URLs which is what I did. The other is to only allow specific urls to be accessed. I'm wondering if you only allowed firs-ta-g7g.amazon.com to be accessed since you need that to register the unit and complete the setup if you could still get through the setup routine. It wouldn't allow any connection except to firs-ta-g7g.amazon.com. Don't have a unit to try it with, but it might just work and if not the worst that would happen is that you wouldn't get through the setup....no harm done.
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I had the download domain blocked so it couldn't download the update. As for your suggestion, I tried it with one of the earlier units that would not proceed past a failed update. I monitored every domain it tried to access and slowly fed it more access one domain at a time. The result was always the same: it gives various error messages because it can't reach certain domains. It never got past the update point in the initial setup.
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I just went to setup one of my new units and even with the router blocking the 2 urls which worked fine yesterday my unit tonight did in fact take the update and is now at 51.1.4.0 !
Is anyone aware of a new server that Amazon is using to push updates when first setting up the unit??? This is very upsetting!
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If you are blocking using a ASUS router that might be the problem. When I loaded the latest ASUS firmware on my RT-AC66U all my blocked URLs stopped being blocked. I had to step back to an old firmware to get the feature working again
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If you are blocking using a ASUS router that might be the problem. When I loaded the latest ASUS firmware on my RT-AC66U all my blocked URLs stopped being blocked. I had to step back to an old firmware to get the feature working again
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That's exactly what happened!!! I put facebook and ebay on the block list just to check and it wasn't blocking either of them! I'm off to get a new NetGear tomorrow. They have a "genie" program that is extremely easy to use for blocking sites or words (or update numbers) and it's only $39. I took one of the updated units back to Staples today and told them it had connectivity problems...( it really did....it connected with the darned upgrader!) and asked the girl in this tiny store if she would get one from the back that was way in the back and on the bottom of the pile if she could. She actually did for me! It's the lowest serial number I own now, but I'm not touching it until I get the new router and prove to myself that the sites are being blocked. I need the break and a little sleep anyway....too many hours at this for the last week.
By the way.... I do believe I have a way of downgrading the new firmware to any older firmware that was ever out. I'm going to have to sacrifice a unit to verify, but if they store the firmware on a TSOP I can do it. Clone time coming up!
I'm not a software guy, but am a hellofa hardware tech. Did it with satellite receivers for years..... ( Still love tubes more than any solid state stuff though!)
fxbill said:
That's exactly what happened!!! I put facebook and ebay on the block list just to check and it wasn't blocking either of them! I'm off to get a new NetGear tomorrow. They have a "genie" program that is extremely easy to use for blocking sites or words (or update numbers) and it's only $39. I took one of the updated units back to Staples today and told them it had connectivity problems...( it really did....it connected with the darned upgrader!) and asked the girl in this tiny store if she would get one from the back that was way in the back and on the bottom of the pile if she could. She actually did for me! It's the lowest serial number I own now, but I'm not touching it until I get the new router and prove to myself that the sites are being blocked. I need the break and a little sleep anyway....too many hours at this for the last week.
By the way.... I do believe I have a way of downgrading the new firmware to any older firmware that was ever out. I'm going to have to sacrifice a unit to verify, but if they store the firmware on a TSOP I can do it. Clone time coming up!
I'm not a software guy, but am a hellofa hardware tech. Did it with satellite receivers for years..... ( Still love tubes more than any solid state stuff though!)
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It just dawned on me....with all of the excellent coders here and knowing that with Backtrack you can spoof a url or an IP. Someone could discover where the units are updating from and where they connect to and spoof the information..( along with the older firmware) and never actually have to connect with Amazon. The unit would think that it is connecting and download whatever it was fed and finish the initial install in order to root it.....just a wild thought, but I think a good programer could come up with a way to do it.
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It just dawned on me....with all of the excellent coders here and knowing that with Backtrack you can spoof a url or an IP. Someone could discover where the units are updating from and where they connect to and spoof the information..( along with the older firmware) and never actually have to connect with Amazon. The unit would think that it is connecting and download whatever it was fed and finish the initial install in order to root it.....just a wild thought, but I think a good programer could come up with a way to do it.
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RBox & AFTVNews.com & others have already looked into this. Do a search for spoofing on the full thread & u'll probably find it.. Basically there are parts that are encrypted & we can't give the FTV the right answer to allow the older FW to be flashed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/fire-tv/help/trick-amazon-update-url-redirect-to-t2900031
Y314K said:
RBox & AFTVNews.com & others have already looked into this. Do a search for spoofing on the full thread & u'll probably find it.. Basically there are parts that are encrypted & we can't give the FTV the right answer to allow the older FW to be flashed.
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There are 2 things to spoof. One is the response from softwareupdates.amazon.com. Aside from the fact that if you spoof it the server has to be using a valid certificate (which you won't get), it's response is signed and encrypted. The second thing to spoof is the actual firmware download. That has to be signed or else it will reject it. It also has to match the version it's expecting to download. So you can't spoof the response that would make the fire tv download an old version, and you can't spoof the update itself because it won't match what it wants.
Furthmore... Backtrack has nothing to do with it. Backtrack is a huge piece of **** that doesn't do anything magical that any SANE Linux dist can't do. And what the... XDA censors? How lame is that...
fxbill said:
That's exactly what happened!!! I put facebook and ebay on the block list just to check and it wasn't blocking either of them! I'm off to get a new NetGear tomorrow. They have a "genie" program that is extremely easy to use for blocking sites or words (or update numbers) and it's only $39. I took one of the updated units back to Staples today and told them it had connectivity problems...( it really did....it connected with the darned upgrader!) and asked the girl in this tiny store if she would get one from the back that was way in the back and on the bottom of the pile if she could. She actually did for me! It's the lowest serial number I own now, but I'm not touching it until I get the new router and prove to myself that the sites are being blocked. I need the break and a little sleep anyway....too many hours at this for the last week.
By the way.... I do believe I have a way of downgrading the new firmware to any older firmware that was ever out. I'm going to have to sacrifice a unit to verify, but if they store the firmware on a TSOP I can do it. Clone time coming up!
I'm not a software guy, but am a hellofa hardware tech. Did it with satellite receivers for years..... ( Still love tubes more than any solid state stuff though!)
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fxbill said:
I just went to setup one of my new units and even with the router blocking the 2 urls which worked fine yesterday my unit tonight did in fact take the update and is now at 51.1.4.0 !
Is anyone aware of a new server that Amazon is using to push updates when first setting up the unit??? This is very upsetting!
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I would advice you add a note to the #1 post saying that it's been resolved & it was a Router Software problem (in bold). Maybe change the title of the thread too. Some folks might not read past the tittle or first posts & start to repeat that there is a new IP updating FTV's when that is not the case.
Tip: Tomato FW Routers block IP's like a BOSS!!!
Urls dont work
I have blocked the urls amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuite softwareupdates.amazon.com through router before setting up my firetv and it had updated to the latest firmware uk version so just to let people know they do not work is amazon using new urls for updating
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I would advice you add a note to the #1 post saying that it's been resolved & it was a Router Software problem (in bold). Maybe change the title of the thread too. Some folks might not read past the tittle or first posts & start to repeat that there is a new IP updating FTV's when that is not the case.
Tip: Tomato FW Routers block IP's like a BOSS!!!
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I plan on doing that, but only after I pick up the new router today and verify. Thanks for the tip on the router!
( Just discovered that I can't edit the title of the thread.)
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There are 2 things to spoof. One is the response from softwareupdates.amazon.com. Aside from the fact that if you spoof it the server has to be using a valid certificate (which you won't get), it's response is signed and encrypted. The second thing to spoof is the actual firmware download. That has to be signed or else it will reject it. It also has to match the version it's expecting to download. So you can't spoof the response that would make the fire tv download an old version, and you can't spoof the update itself because it won't match what it wants.
Furthmore... Backtrack has nothing to do with it. Backtrack is a huge piece of **** that doesn't do anything magical that any SANE Linux dist can't do. And what the... XDA censors? How lame is that...
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I only brought up Backtrack as an example. It's merely a collection of programs written by other coders. Say what you will about it. Makes no difference to me, but it has served me pretty well since I am not a coder and have little knowledge in writing my own codes. Kudos to you for being able to. As I stated, I'm a hardware person and a technician. I can design a board, but programming for me is an entirely different story. Years ago satellite TV receivers had a similar issue where a receiver would not accept a card that was not the correct card for the unit. It was called the ZKT...( zero knowledge test) The receiver had some information encoded in the prom... (supposedly some sort of question that it asked of the card). The card also had some info coded into it. Neither had any purpose by itself, but when a card was inserted into the unit the unit sent out the encoded "question". If the card responded with anything other than the correct information the unit would not function. A coder discovered a way to program eproms that did not have this ZKT information in it and after programming an eprom and replacing the prom in the unit with the newly coded eprom the unit would accept any card that was put into it.
I'm only stating this as an example. It might come down to cloning the eprom from one good unit to one that has the newer firmware on it, but I feel very confident that someone can and will do it at some point. I rarely ever say it can't be done....too many times have I been proven wrong by someone knowing much more than I do and no matter how good you might be at something someone a little or a lot better is going to come along and do what you couldn't.
Root developers are saying don't take the updates. Few people are reporting that the updates made anything better. Don't take the updates if you can help it.
Follow the instructions below, and report back with your phone info (carrier, variant, software version, etc.). Also report if updates were successfully blocked, or if they installed anyway, or if you just get a nag screen. Thanks!
If your phone has already downloaded the update and is trying to install it, follow the advice here. This won't work for AT&T phones because they removed recovery mode.
Start here:
Get debloater (works without root!) and set up your computer so you can run ADB and connect with your phone. You may need to install the LG United Mobile Driver.
Please donate to the Debloater developer, gatesjunior! Debloater has made this so much easier!
There are many packages you can block that will improve the performance and battery life of your phone (see my blocked.txt below), but the packages you want to block that will hopefully prevent updates are:
LGDMSClient.apk (Blocking breaks WiFi calling setup on Sprint only.)
LGUpdateCenter.apk
LGFOTA.apk Two users reported calls going straight to voicemail with this blocked.
LGLDB.apk I don't know if it's related to updates but it seems to be MLT spyware.
Not all carriers will have all these files, but block what you do have and report any problems so I can update this post with what works and what doesn't
Carrier specific files:
Sprint users may want to block:
Sprint_Installer.apk
ItsOnService.apk
ItsOnUID.apk
Tierez reported that blocking the ItsOn files breaks WiFi. They also reported that blocking LGDMSClient.apk broke the WiFi calling setup screen.
Verizon users should block:
VerizonIgnite.apk, It's a post-sale bloatware installer. Thanks alan242!
@JeffXT inadvertently blocked a Verizon file that enabled tethering.
AT&T users should block:
WildTangent.apk
T-Mobile users should block:
AdaptClient.apk
This will break the software update screen in about phone and so far has prevented my phone from trying to update. My AT&T H810 hasn't tried to update and I can't force it to update since I blocked LGDMSClient.apk, but it seems we can't be too safe in preventing forced updates so leave no questionable package unblocked!
Something I also did during setup was to not agree to the optional LG EULA that would have allowed app updating. I've also blocked:
LGStartupEula.apk
LicenseProvider.apk
UnifiedEULA.apk
Don't block LGSystemServer.apk, it breaks notifications and other stuff (LED, sound, and vibration).
Autoprime is listing which software versions are updating the firmware to V1 here.
Good luck!
Don't block LGSystemSetup.apk or LGSetupWizard.apk! You'll need it to run if there phone gets reset. Ignore the blocked.txt file below.
phineous said:
After seeing the mysterious "security enhancements" mentioned in the AT&T release notes on the July 1st update I think it's important to prevent further updates incase they break future rooting methods. Also, why take their update if it's not shown to improve performance? Come on! There's an update to Uber, but no mention of touch screen fixes?!
FIrst, get debloater (works without root!)and set up your computer so you can run ADB and connect with your phone. You may need to install the LG United Mobile Driver.
There's a ton of packages you can block that will improve the performance and battery life of the phone, but the package you want to block to prevent updates is LGDMSClient.apk. This will break the software update screen in about phone and so far has prevented my phone from trying to update.
Good luck!
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Just a quick heads up (might just be me, might be US Cellular in general....I am not sure) I went through and did this after hearing about different companies basically force feeding their clientel these OTA Updates and even though I did it all right down to the letter and did not skip anything my US991 still went ahead and did a forced update to 10c (not sure why or even when it did this, just know that it did at some point).
Hopefully they are not blocking any exploits with this stupid 10c update (which I assume they did as my device was running buttery smooth and had no issues that would have needed an update in order to correct).
Z3ldaFan88 said:
Just a quick heads up (might just be me, might be US Cellular in general....I am not sure) I went through and did this after hearing about different companies basically force feeding their clientel these OTA Updates and even though I did it all right down to the letter and did not skip anything my US991 still went ahead and did a forced update to 10c (not sure why or even when it did this, just know that it did at some point).
Hopefully they are not blocking any exploits with this stupid 10c update (which I assume they did as my device was running buttery smooth and had no issues that would have needed an update in order to correct).
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Sorry to hear it didn't prevent your update.
I've added more files to block, and one to unblock in the OP.
phineous said:
Sorry to hear it didn't prevent your update.
Try blocking LGUpdateCenter.apk also. My AT&T H810 hasn't tried to update and I can't force it to update since I blocked LGDMSClient.apk. Seems we can't be too safe in preventing forced updates so leave no questionable package unblocked!
Something I also did during setup was to not agree to the optional LG EULA that would have allowed app updating. I've also blocked:
LGStartupEula.apk
LicenseProvider.apk
UnifiedEULA.apk
I've attached a Debloater blocked.txt that shows all the packages I've blocked.
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No worries, it just is what it is (yeah I was angry about it, but not like I can do anything about it). I will certainly go through and block the rest of the applications that you mentioned though so hopefully I can prevent any future aggravations caused by these damn self-updates. Thanks for posting how you went about it and letting us know that (so far at least) it is going according to plan.
Holy Cow! I thought T-Mobile was bad with the bloat but jeez....AT&T makes our bloat look like....well, I dunno it's still bloat, but we've got a LOT less of it lol. I use the debloater tool, but UX 4.0 isn't that bad by its self. I removed all the T-Mo stuff and that's about it.
Thanks!
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Holy Cow! I thought T-Mobile was bad with the bloat but jeez....AT&T makes our bloat look like....well, I dunno it's still bloat, but we've got a LOT less of it lol. I use the debloater tool, but UX 4.0 isn't that bad by its self. I removed all the T-Mo stuff and that's about it.
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Did removing the TMobile bloat affect wifi calling?
G4'ed it!
Not at all, less lag and a bit smoother. Battery lasts longer since apps that drain the battery are disabled. Just be smart about what you disable. It has a search feature, so I'll search for say "tmo" any apk or service with that search term in it will show up in the list, disable it and move on to the next apk/service. You dont even need to reboot, you can watch them get disabled in real time.
I just bought my second G4, trying the phone again. It is another Verizon model.
People raised interesting points about holding off on updates, in case it makes root more difficult, so I got the Debloater tool (that is awesome!) and tried to block the items listed in the original post.
With Verizon, I don't see an entry for "LGUpdateCenter.apk", so I could not block that one. I hope the remaining 5 will be enough to keep the update at-bay for now.
phineous, that's an interesting point about the optional LG EULA. I agreed to something from LG during initial setup today, I guess I didn't give any real thought to not agreeing.
I have not yet applied anyone's complete Debloater list, I guess I'm not quite brave enough for that just yet. I only went through and disabled things I could identify and knew I wouldn't need at the moment.
How many apks does the AT&T G4 have? My Tmobile has 273.
Replacing my earlier post, to avoid confusion: Verizon messed up something on my line. After a day, they got it fixed, and now I can use Advanced Calling on my G4, still with the original software (having not gotten the recent update). Everything seems to be working now.
RedOCtobyr said:
Replacing my earlier post, to avoid confusion: Verizon messed up something on my line. After a day, they got it fixed, and now I can use Advanced Calling on my G4, still with the original software (having not gotten the recent update). Everything seems to be working now.
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What's your Baseband Version and Build number? I'm buying the Verizon G4 this Saturday and would like to know if I have the OTA out of the box.
GUGUITOMTG4 said:
How many apks does the AT&T G4 have? My Tmobile has 273.
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I don't remember how many it came with originally, but I've blocked 85 out of a total of 297. I've probably installed about 57. I would guess around 240 originally.
flamadiddle said:
What's your Baseband Version and Build number? I'm buying the Verizon G4 this Saturday and would like to know if I have the OTA out of the box.
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Don't let the salesperson set up the phone! They seem to delight in downloading updates. I'd keep the phone off or at least disable WiFi till I could connect it to a computer and Debloat it.
Good luck!
phineous said:
Don't let the salesperson set up the phone! They seem to delight in downloading updates. I'd keep the phone off or at least disable WiFi till I could connect it to a computer and Debloat it.
Good luck!
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Yeah, that's the plan. I'd just like a frame of reference so I know if all my efforts to prevent the OTA work or if I was defeated before I even got the phone.
phineous said:
I don't remember how many it came with originally, but I've blocked 85 out of a total of 297. I've probably installed about 57. I would guess around 240 originally.
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Wow 85 is such a relief I blocked just 34. At least it does not get high temps now.T-mobile seems to add much lesser bloat indeed. My 273 include around 40 downloaded apps.
flamadiddle said:
What's your Baseband Version and Build number? I'm buying the Verizon G4 this Saturday and would like to know if I have the OTA out of the box.
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See attached. I believe the item of interest, relative to the OTA, is the Software Version. The new one (updated) ends in 611A, I think.
They did a brief setup at Best Buy for me. I Factory Reset when I got home, then Debloated the items that would start the update:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/help/how-to-prevent-updates-g4-t3148650
But it wasn't until the next day, after another Factory Reset, that I forgot to Debloat those immediately, and had turned on the WiFi. I noticed when the update was halfway downloaded. Turned off WiFi, and turned on Airplane Mode, until I was able to Debloat the offending items.
No updates stuff since then, several days ago, even with WiFi on.
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But it wasn't until the next day, after another Factory Reset, that I forgot to Debloat those immediately, and had turned on the WiFi. I noticed when the update was halfway downloaded. Turned off WiFi, and turned on Airplane Mode, until I was able to Debloat the offending items.
No updates stuff since then, several days ago, even with WiFi on.
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Look at how sneaky the carriers are now! It's a good thing the devs are being quiet about their root method.
RedOCtobyr said:
See attached. I believe the item of interest, relative to the OTA, is the Software Version. The new one (updated) ends in 611A, I think.
They did a brief setup at Best Buy for me. I Factory Reset when I got home, then Debloated the items that would start the update:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/help/how-to-prevent-updates-g4-t3148650
But it wasn't until the next day, after another Factory Reset, that I forgot to Debloat those immediately, and had turned on the WiFi. I noticed when the update was halfway downloaded. Turned off WiFi, and turned on Airplane Mode, until I was able to Debloat the offending items.
No updates stuff since then, several days ago, even with WiFi on.
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Exactly what I needed. Thank you! :good:
flamadiddle said:
Exactly what I needed. Thank you! :good:
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You are welcome! Please report back if discover any problems or other files to block.