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Tocuh pro 2 inner battle

i am in biggest battle of my life! heres the issue. im very interested in buying the touch pro 2 and as of right now am without a phone since i sold my htc fuze. now, the touch pro 2 looks good but i see its coming out to the Americas. now the only difference i see is the 3g and let me add that i have tmobile and dont have internet on my phone so 3g really isnt much of a factor. the tmobile version really dosent look that great compared to the original chrome version. and another issue....the htc hero.. in your opinions what would be my best choice. buy the phone now? euro version? wait till a branded version comes out but apart from 3g what else would be better with that? or wait till the htc hero comes out? another detail money isn't the issue in any of this Lol

I feel your pain...
I just went throught the same thing... I'm on ATT... see my post... I pulled the trigger on the Touch Pro 2... it wouldn't run on 3G... it didn't come with Voice Command... those two are deal killers for me... I use heavy data apps on my phone... I can't go back to 2G just for the sake of having the phone. I'll wait until ATT branded phone comes out... in the meantime (when I get my money back) I'm going to get a Apple I-Phone... If you are not heavy into speed.. then ok, if so, dont do it... its a horrible let down. the people selling the phone don't tell you the deal breaking details, they hope you will just live with it... NOT ME.. Len

TP2 is 3G in the UK, how come T-Mobile have removed it for the US?

nicathug101 said:
i am in biggest battle of my life!
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If this is the biggest battle of your life, you've had a very easy life so far!

one benefit of buying it local is getting hardware issues fixed under warranty...
Before I purchased the TP2 I realised it wasnt going to be released in Australia for a while. I also realised that if I wanted the phone now, I'd need to order from overseas. It crossed my mind: what if there are issues with the phone. I dismissed those after I realised I had owned several HTC phones in the past and they were all fine.
I found myself with a faulty screen after getting my TP2 from Singapore. I contacted HTC, and its going to cost about 10% of the device's cost to send it off for repair via FedEx!
I'm a bit hesitant to send the thing off. I dunno how long I can live without it!

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TP2 is 3G in the UK, how come T-Mobile have removed it for the US?
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omg seriously?? have you even TRIED to look around this forum and read some of the posts?
THE EUROPEAN MODEL OF THE TOUCH PRO 2 DOES NOT HAVE THE NECESSARY BANDS TO SUPPORT 3G IN THE US.
ALL OF THE US CARRIERS WILL BE GETTING THEIR OWN RESPECTIVE MODEL OF THE TP2, WITH T-MO PROBABLY BEING THE FIRST. THEIRS WILL BE COMING OUT AROUND MID-AUGUST. AUGUST 12.
it's not that they removed it. they never made a European model that supported US 3G in the first place.
next time, before you ask a question like that, READ. PLEASE.

I went to go see the T-mobile version today

I went to go see the T-mobile version today at a store in Tacoma... AND I LOVE THE PHONE!
I'm definitely waiting until August 12th (which is the now rumored release date).
It is everything that I thought it would be.
But here are some impressions for those of you interested in the T-mobile USA version:
1. No chrome- thankfully this did not kill the sex appeal. I think that the phone is the sexiest phone I have ever seen. The look is not inferior to the International version, just different.
2. It is a speed demon! Whatever ROM it is running is even faster than the international version (from what I have seen in video reviews) and everything is very fluid.
3. The keyboard is perfect. Enough said.
4. The guy who owned the phone said that the release date is supposed to be mid-to-late August. Though I'm betting on August 12th.
5. Any questions, ask away. I'm very excited for the release of this phone.

Did T-Mo keep the second camera on this phone, is it full of bloat-ware, and lastly did they destroy any of what we love about the phones capabilities.

i have a german t-mobile vario 5 and i can say hardware is exactly the same so YES front camera is there too!
there is some software like web n walk and some other t-mobile software but its not that bloated.

lhwparis said:
i have a german t-mobile vario 5 and i can say hardware is exactly the same so YES front camera is there too!
there is some software like web n walk and some other t-mobile software but its not that bloated.
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I'm sorry. I was asking that question assuming the author was referring to T-Mobile USA. I know it's not out yet in US for customers, but there are some T-Mo employees that have demo versions of the phone. I thought this person was one of them.

I have the Tmo version , great phone I must say, ive had a couple of problems though

x323smostwantedx said:
I have the Tmo version , great phone I must say, ive had a couple of problems though
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Can you give details? What kind of problems?

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Can you give details? What kind of problems?
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For some reason the Music player on Touchflo3d cannot read my memory card. I have an 8gb card, with around 1100 songs and it takes forever to load. After about 5 mins, it might show the songs, I click a song, it lags to play, then it plays, I try to change the track and it freezes.

Do we know yet which 3G frequencies the USA version of this phone will support? i.e. will it only work on the US networks, or be a proper 'world standard' phones that will work on all the UK 3G networks as well as the US ones?
Andre

andrewilley said:
Do we know yet which 3G frequencies the USA version of this phone will support? i.e. will it only work on the US networks, or be a proper 'world standard' phones that will work on all the UK 3G networks as well as the US ones?
Andre
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I believe that it supports international EDGE bands.
However, it only supports T-mobile 3G. No AT&T nor European 3G I think.

x323smostwantedx said:
I have the Tmo version , great phone I must say, ive had a couple of problems though
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high quality pics please? the buttons still look terrible in all the photos ive seen compared to generic.

The tmobile touch pro 2 is pretty nice, altough i noticed its a bit thicker than the original altough its a matter of like 2 millimeters lol

skyler17 said:
1. No chrome- thankfully this did not kill the sex appeal. I think that the phone is the sexiest phone I have ever seen. The look is not inferior to the International version, just different.
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I'm glad there's no chrome, personally. I plan to own the device for a long time, and with my luck the chrome would crack before I grew tired of the device. But from the one shot I've seen of it on a TmoUSA promo it's my least favorite looking of all the versions. I'd have to go digging around, but I think either the Sprint or Verizon was my favorite looking device.
Fortunately, appearances are the least important factor in my buying decision, because I'll probably end up on TMobile's network before I even get the phone.

The guy who has it name is Young.

If you don't like the looks of the phone, you can always get a gel skin. You can also order replacement exterior pieces online and just have someone take the phone apart and put the new parts on.

It is so bloody annoying that the TP2 is coming out everywhere on t mobile (in the US and mainland Europe) except in the UK. The rumour that it failed testing in the UK can't be right, as it appears to have passed testing everywhere else. Perhaps it has more to do with the fact that t mobile in the UK is being sold off and that it can't afford too many new launches of products.

skyler17 said:
6th Ave. The one by LA Fitness.
The guy who has it name is Young.
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It must be lucky to get a touch pro 2 before it comes out, i wish i had one

If anyone wants to see some decent photos of the T-mobile USA TP2 go here.

ARE YOU LOOKIN FOR THIS http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v633/soklean69/?action=view&current=IMG_1019.jpg

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ARE YOU LOOKIN FOR THIS http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v633/soklean69/?action=view&current=IMG_1019.jpg
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soklean said:
ARE YOU LOOKIN FOR THIS http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v633/soklean69/?action=view&current=IMG_1019.jpg
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hey a myfaves tab in touchflo

Boost the antenna strength...HOW?

I need help please. It's not my service! (TMobile) It's my TP2. The signal is w-e-a-k! I drop calls all the time in my house now. I never used to do that with my s710.
Please, someone...is there something I can change in my settings? can i download something? I need to make this signal stronger. I did not pay all this $$ to have all these dropped calls. Can I change the "radio" or something? I think I read something about that, but I am such a noob. Please, someone guide me!
Thanks

Not sure if this will help as I am in UK.
I have just switched provider and discovered I don't get signal at home so went to Settings, Communications, Phone, Advanced, Band and changed network type from Auto to Gsm.
Don't need the 3G, data connection or whatever as have pc at home and get reasonable signal with phone forced to gsm.

I appreciate the reply, but that will not work for me. I use the data connection daily.
Any other possibilities people? Please. I am so desperate.

Does anyone have a solution ? Would a hard reset help? I don't want to start from scratch.

have you tried switching back from 3G to 2G? because if you get a constant 2G signal then it pretty much sums up that 3G signal is weak in your area.

Thanks. I don't even have 3g in my area right now. So that factor is out of the picture.

Will unfortunately have to wait for HARDSPL and new radio stacks.
There are signal boosters that you can buy off the net, no idea how efficent they are though.
Cheers,
Beasty

lol, Beast, thats exactly what I was going to say, a new radio helps in many cases. At least it did when I had my Dash.
On other news, looks like T-Mo let us down again, at least US buyers. No details were posted on their site concerning the TP2, as I posted earlier that was supposed to happen today. At least not yet. Oh well, only 4 days 'til Wednesday!!!!!!
edit: And @ Beast, or anyone who knows. Does the TP2 have an external antenna port? I use a signal booster, but used to have the external antenna adapter plugged in to my Dash. My next door neighbor is getting the TP2 also but doesn't want to ditch out the $200-$300 for a signal booster. I am going to give him my old setup if the TP2 has an external antenna port.

Thanks for the replies guys. I will wait for the HARDSPL. I will also be asking someone to hold my hand at that time b/c I have never done that process before. I am new to all of this flashing this and that stuff, but willing to learn.

how in the world are all you people getting the Tp2 so early? i assume it is not from T-mobile.

Got mine through Mobile Phones Direct It's available from a number of sources, in fact, including - gasp shock horror - Amazon (link!)

I am having reception problems too. I have a TP2 and a mytouch mytouch gets 3 bars tp2 gets 1 and goes in and out of 3g.
Select tmobile employees got the tp2 about 5 weeks ago ...roughly 5 in each market

so this could be the start of many people's reception problems...i wonder what will be done about it on the HTC end? Tmobile end? SHould be interesting.

RogerStenning said:
Got mine through Mobile Phones Direct It's available from a number of sources, in fact, including - gasp shock horror - Amazon (link!)
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the USA T-mobile Touch pro2?

Ah, no, not that one, sorry, didn't cotton on to your being in the USA - sorry
As to radio reception, anyone else got GPS receive problems at the moment? I've compared reception between the TP2 and my old iPAQ hw6915, and for the first fortnight, the TP2 outperformed the 6915: Now its the other way around - massively - the TP2 cannot seem to hold a lock on GPS, rendering the entire system useless.
Any ideas?

GPS Hotfix
HTC have recently issued a Hotfix for the GPS on the TP2.
Head over to the HTC support site. May fix your problems.

crazy talk said:
how in the world are all you people getting the Tp2 so early? i assume it is not from T-mobile.
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They probably have the UK version, or Telus version, or....etc. I know the UK version will not work in the states. Well, nix that, it will work, but will not get T-Mob's 3G when and if we see 3G. (At least in my area, lol) You can only get the 2G.
On a side note, has anyone seen the T-Mobile version. I think it is ugly compared to the UK version. Da** T-Mobile, always changing things.

cabranscom said:
Thanks for the replies guys. I will wait for the HARDSPL. I will also be asking someone to hold my hand at that time b/c I have never done that process before. I am new to all of this flashing this and that stuff, but willing to learn.
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Ah, it is not so techy. Tecky? hmm, got to think on the word there. I guess what I am trying to say is it is not a very complicated process. I was very apprehensive to flash my first ROM, but the first went so well, I don't think I could have asked for more. Just follow the guides and it should go smoothly. I flashed many ROM's on my (now gone) Dash. Let me put it in perspective though. I now own (sad to say) a BlackBerry, and with that you have to go through many complicated steps. However, I am getting the TP2, and that is one of the reasons. Flashing ROM's on the HTC device is a lot easier. After the first you will become Old Hand at it.
You should wait for the HardSPL, though, I think that is why mine went so smooth the first time. These guys are geniuses. They will have a solution before long. Listen to them and keep updated. They are willing to help, which is more than I can say for Crackberry dot com. Ooops sorry for the reference there. But you get flamed there for knowing a whole lot of nothing. Here, however, they might flame you, but lead you in the right direction.
Good luck and welcome to the Rhodium/Touch Pro2

k, thanks folks

cabranscom said:
Thanks. I don't even have 3g in my area right now. So that factor is out of the picture.
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Errr, now I don't understand the original signal problem. If there are no 3G coverage then IMHO you'd better switch to 2G (GSM only). It will spare your battery too, I think
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Does the TP2 have an external antenna port? I use a signal booster, but used to have the external antenna adapter plugged in to my Dash. My next door neighbor is getting the TP2 also but doesn't want to ditch out the $200-$300 for a signal booster. I am going to give him my old setup if the TP2 has an external antenna port.
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No, it doesn't

Unlocked Telus Touch Pro 2 3G Question

I am wanting to go buy a TP2 from Telus because I've noticed the use of the SIM unit can be unbarred and let me use it on Rogers/Fido. What I want to know though is will the phone work with 3G on the Rogers network if I get it unlocked?

In all probability: No.
The specs list it as only 2100mhz for 3G. Now it is POSSIBLE that Telus asked HTC to disable the bands for Nort American 3G but included them so that they could be re-enabled when Telus gets their 3G network up and running. But there is no evidence to prove this is the case and even if it were, you'd have no way of reenabling those bands yourself as of this moment should they exist.

Time to move to europe I think.
2 things I wish people would give up on:
CDMA and the imperial measurement system

wcdma I agree with. But hey, that's exactly what Telus is kinda doing by implementing 3G.
And the imperial measurement is FUN! Horrible to memorize, but if you're in Canada and the US and you suddenly start using stones as a measurement, people just look at you in such a great confused manner that you can't help but smile
And let's face it. Monitors/TVs are going to continue with the imperial measurement system for a long long time to come... (I can't remember seeing non-imperial measurements for either product here in Mexico where they don't actually know what a foot or inch is as they have been using the metric system for ages)

All I know is a british pint involves more drinking!
I know cdma/tdma is superior in some respects but it's just not portable enough! Which is why businesses refused to use it in Australia and Telstra was forced to give up on it.
Then I move to Canada and after being there for a year they are bringing out this "new" thing called video calling that I had trialled 3 years prior in Aus.
Now 3G in Australia is just as hopeless as here. At least the drug dealers get some good education for measurements. (I'm referring to Ghostface Killahs song Kilo because "all around the world today the kilo is the measure, a kilo is a thousand grams, it's easy to remember", oh that song just makes me laugh.)

You want behind the times? Go to Latin America. 3G isn't fully implemented here yet. And prices are ridiculous. One advantage is that due to a weird economy, there are lots of pre-paid plans. I get great rates on prepaid/pay-as-you-go and if I choose to buy an unlocked version of a phone I don't have to feel too bad about the high price as getting it here would take a lot longer and be just as expensive if not more (the mogul is available right now in stores for around eighty bucks more than I'll be paying for the TP2).
And yes, as far as learning measurements, nothing beats drug trafficking, having a meth lab in your bathtub, and making home made explosives. Good famil fun

danyul said:
Time to move to europe I think.
2 things I wish people would give up on:
CDMA and the imperial measurement system
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Alas, metric will never take over the United States for one reason: it's easier to lose a pound than it is to lose a kilo.
Americans buy more exercise equipment per capita from infomercials than any other country and we do less exercise per capita than anywhere else (except Dubai, those lazy bastards). The economy would collapse while people were wondering why they can only lose 2.3 kilos per week with modern equipment when the old stuff would let them lose 5 pounds. Then depression would set in, everyone would go on an eating binge, planes would be falling from the sky because they couldn't handle the weight, type 2 diabetes would skyrocket and there would be a worldwide insulin shortage while our average age creeps back to preindustrial levels and we start rationing cemetery space.
On the upside, towards the end (of civilization) you could get an amazing deal on an ab blaster 7k.

Hahaha, best explanation ever!
However, if we could get Tony Horton on to metric weights then convince everyone to "bring it" then the world would be a better place!
I could just imagine him saying, "You know you used to lift 20, 25 pounds with P90X, but with P90XM+ you can switch it up to 25 kilos and be more buff than ever before. If you can't lift it to start with don't worry, just bring it and keep on workin'."

But Fortunz, think of it this way. That argument can be used in the opposite way:
"Oh dratz honey, I've gained weight. Oh well, it's than five kilos. I remember last Christmas I had actually gained ten pounds. Gods I love this new metric measurement "
The bigger population would mean charging more for bigger seats in planes, selling more food, and investing in new technology to handle the greater weight
But heck, it's going to stick around for a while now. Tell someone in Canada they're 183cm tall and sooo many people won't have any clue as to what you're talking about. I'm guessing it's the same in the US...
Also think about it, it'd be great for the snack and fatty food industry, people wouldn't feel so bad about eating stuff as it'd be less than half than it used to be numbers wise.

I went to a telus store and asked if the TP2 would work on it (since whenever they cripple a feature they just say it does not exist, like the fm radio that you can activate with a cab in the TP2 or the GPS on my old p4000 which I activated with a hacked rom). The clerk seemed to be a phone geek (finally not someone who knows nothing about phones and actually knows stuff like what bands telus operates on and such) who told me that they had gotten a memo from head office saying that if people ask, the answer was "we do not know yet". Now in a last twist, my buddy Nook found the spec sheet for our chipset and according to this, the chipset is capable of 2100mhz and 1900mhz UMTS (telus's new network). So where does this leave us? Well when they upgrade with the 6.5 rom and the network has been around for a bit, we will have a final answer, but until then we can just hope telus does not give us the shaft!
ps. if you want IR on your TP2 or any other phone, look at my ongoing project in my signature!

The chipset is capable of all bands and various combinations. But the question is which of them it is configured to handle IF there are any more than the one they say is there.
Though the "we do not know yet" comment implies that there is/will be more. But we still don't know. Though if I had to guess I'd say they have the 850+1900+2100 combination which would give them coverage for their own 3G network and would allow basic roaming in Europe, Asia, and some Latin American countries (if I remember correctly). Making it a an almost universal phone. But I have NO idea what would be needed to unlock any hiddenn bands, whether a new ROM, new OS, or to flash the radio.

Well it looks like I'm going to have to wait until near the olympics to get my new phone. It's a shame because my current artemis' battery is dying and there's no way I would give telus money for their current network.
Although if iGo My Way is ported to android then I will switch to that in a heartbeat. I love iGo, just I need a better phone to run it.

You might not have to wait that long...
http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/08/16/t...be-compatible-with-the-canadian-hspa-network/
It specifically mentions the BlackBerry Tour and BlackBerry Storm as being incompatible with its future hspa network. It doesn't specifically mention the Touch Pro2, which isn't much in and of itself, but coupled with the "We don't know yet " comment, it's quite possible the Touch Pro2 will be compatible in the future.

Successfully unlocked my Telus TP2, however, tried a brand new Rogers SIM right out of the package (came with a Blackberry of mine, never used) and it won't register on the network. However, same card in the blackberry reads "Sim not provisioned:2". I think I need to test with a friend's working rogers sim. All my friends are Telus and Bell...

If the TP1 is any indication, the component missing is the 850mhz power AMP
Its not because the chipset can do it that all the required components are soldered on the PCB.
Best thread I followed on the subject:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420865&page=40
So if you can find a teardown of the Telus TP2 we might find out =)

Well possibly. Except the thing here is that Telus is in a somewhat unique situation since they are CDMA adding/switching to HSPA soon. Meaning that they might have wanted to include the support even if it was locked in the beginning (like those infamous present but unusable gps capabilities on phones in the past). It's not certain. And I think the user on WMExperts who wrote a review for them of the Telus phone disassembled his phone. Maybe someone who knows more about the subject could contact him and ask him about the amp.

[Q] The Captivate Glide vs The Stratosphere II?

I learned the Stratosphere II existed like a week ago and I've been researching this phone like crazy. Seems like a better version of the Glide. Is this essentially an unofficial update of the Glide? The specs seem to match up, with the only thing lacking on the Strat's side is the megapixels (the Glide has 8, the Strat 2 has 5) and the Strat 2 having a dual 1.2GHz CPU compared to Glide's dual 1.0GHz CPU.
I've been looking to get a Glide for a long time. I've been keeping up with this board for updates and everything. And while it seems like an awesome phone, the GPS problems worry me. But, there are plenty of guides here so when I finally get a Glide, I can see if the GPS solutions here work.
But the Stratosphere II...I mean its so new I don't think anyone has figured out how to root it yet. So no custom roms for the time being, but I'm sure it would be coming as more people learn of its existence and start working on it.
My main cause of concern is the GPS, as I travel to Mexico alot. I already have service there that I maintain here (Movistar) by going to a tienda every three months and putting a few dollars on it. While you can't root the Stratosphere II, I could at least slap the SIM card in there and use it (apparently if I buy it outright Verizon can/should/will unlock the GSM functionality for me) until that magical moment does come when a root guide finally pops up online. And I could be wrong but I think there's no GPS issues with the Stratosphere II.
So that's where I am. Get the Glide for pretty cheap ($225 online), with the ability to root and flash roms but with shaky GPS (and apparently no Jelly Bean?), or get the Stratosphere II for not pretty cheap ($445 directly from Verizon) with no ability to root or flash roms, but, great (as far as I know) GPS? Thoughts, comments, suggestions?

I knew about the original Stratosphere but not the 2. It looks like a nice device. Personally I wouldn't buy a device without root, let alone some sort of dev community. I can pretty much confirm your GPS worries about the Glide. It blows and there is no nicer way to put it. I have tried tweak apps, modding files myself, even copying the conf files right from my N7 to it. It still takes like 2 minutes to get a lock and loses it rather easily. Compared to my N7 which takes under 10 seconds.
The Glide is a good phone though. Our dev community kind of sucks, being so small and relying on key people to do most of the work. But at least we have one and a pretty decent JB builds.
I'm not sure what to suggest. If you can live on stock without root and such, the Strato 2 looks nice. But after having my Glide for nearly a year, I still really like it. But I don't use GPS much with it either.

I sell for all carriers so I'll give you my thought.
Glide is an older device with a tegra 2 processor and operates on GSM. It has an older touch wiz on it meaning the skin and other tweaks Samsung applied to the gs3 isn't all their.. The strat 2 is a well built phone slightly smaller than its older brother. But had newer touch wiz along with newer things Samsung threw in. I'm not going to go into a lot of tech specs of the two phones since u can do that but if I had a choice it would be the strat 2 because of the newer touch wiz which is faster and nicer to look at. Plus the over all look and feel much nicer on the strat 2.. the glide is pretty bulky you really must consider who you want to pay monthly and who has better coverage Verizon or AT&T?
Good luck Bud.:beer:
My battery is dead now.. Have fun!
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I knew about the original Stratosphere but not the 2. It looks like a nice device. Personally I wouldn't buy a device without root, let alone some sort of dev community. I can pretty much confirm your GPS worries about the Glide. It blows and there is no nicer way to put it. I have tried tweak apps, modding files myself, even copying the conf files right from my N7 to it. It still takes like 2 minutes to get a lock and loses it rather easily. Compared to my N7 which takes under 10 seconds.
The Glide is a good phone though. Our dev community kind of sucks, being so small and relying on key people to do most of the work. But at least we have one and a pretty decent JB builds.
I'm not sure what to suggest. If you can live on stock without root and such, the Strato 2 looks nice. But after having my Glide for nearly a year, I still really like it. But I don't use GPS much with it either.
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Thanks for the advice. I have a rooted Epic 4G (hence my name), so I know the joys of having a rooted phone. But I want to switch to a GSM device (more on that below in dincdoes.me), but unlike you would rely on the GPS a lot.
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I sell for all carriers so I'll give you my thought.
Glide is an older device with a tegra 2 processor and operates on GSM. It has an older touch wiz on it meaning the skin and other tweaks Samsung applied to the gs3 isn't all their.. The strat 2 is a well built phone slightly smaller than its older brother. But had newer touch wiz along with newer things Samsung threw in. I'm not going to go into a lot of tech specs of the two phones since u can do that but if I had a choice it would be the strat 2 because of the newer touch wiz which is faster and nicer to look at. Plus the over all look and feel much nicer on the strat 2.. the glide is pretty bulky you really must consider who you want to pay monthly and who has better coverage Verizon or AT&T?
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The thing is, I want to go to Net10, do their BYOD program, and basically have AT&T service through Net10. Why? Net10 has that international coverage plan, its like $60-$65 a month, and I can call my friends in Mexico (via an 800 number I believe) and talk as long as I want (well as long as THEIR minutes will allow). And it makes no difference if its to a landline or a cell phone. Also when I go TO Mexico, just swap out the Net10 sim card for my Movistar one.
Also, at least in NC, the AT&T coverage is second only to Verizon. Definitely better than Sprint, and T-Mobile might as well not even exist with its shaky coverage.
The GPS function is VERY IMPORTANT to me, especially in Mexico, and I have seen my friends in Mexico's Androids use GPS (Google Maps) to find stuff just fine. So...I may have to go ahead and get the Strato 2 and just live with it being unrooted for a while.

That's a tough decision. If time wasn't a factor, I would wait a month or two to see what happens with the i415 (Stratosphere) within the XDA community. Unfortunately for qwerty keyboard lovers, the phones we want don't get as much hype and publicity as the candybar phones. Otterbox and CyanogenMod barely acknowledged our phones. We happened to get VERY lucky getting this much support for the i927 (Captivate Glide) as the early stages were definitely desperate.
I'm currently running the Vanilla Rootbox rom and even though there are still a few bugs, the essentials work well enough for me not to upgrade. I heavily use GPS as I have a memory of a fish and it works flawlessly.
Long story short, after watching the i927 go from a simple request in a Captivate forum to it's own forum with no devs to what it is today, I would go with the Captivate Glide. Who knows if the i415 will get also get lucky with support or not? After all, qwerty phones are a dying breed.

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That's a tough decision. If time wasn't a factor, I would wait a month or two to see what happens with the i415 (Stratosphere) within the XDA community. Unfortunately for qwerty keyboard lovers, the phones we want don't get as much hype and publicity as the candybar phones. Otterbox and CyanogenMod barely acknowledged our phones. We happened to get VERY lucky getting this much support for the i927 (Captivate Glide) as the early stages were definitely desperate.
I'm currently running the Vanilla Rootbox rom and even though there are still a few bugs, the essentials work well enough for me not to upgrade. I heavily use GPS as I have a memory of a fish and it works flawlessly.
Long story short, after watching the i927 go from a simple request in a Captivate forum to it's own forum with no devs to what it is today, I would go with the Captivate Glide. Who knows if the i415 will get also get lucky with support or not? After all, qwerty phones are a dying breed.
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Thanks for the advice. Well...what I am considering is getting the Glide (the Rogers version, which it appears that you have) and just root and put a rom on it (I would like one that mimic's the Jelly Bean, but if the Vanilla Rootbox you're using is fine, I may try that), and use that until more development pops up for the Stratosphere II. If you have the Rogers Glide, and your GPS problems are nil...I don't know, I'm considering it. I probably should have mentioned if I get the Glide it would be the Rogers version (somehow its cheaper than the AT&T version, which costs more than the Stratosphere II! ).
I could do that, or just get a Strato 2 and live without root/flashed roms for a while (but if it already has Jelly Bean may not need it). Thinking, thinking...
Is time a factor? Well I plan on going to Mexico sometime in April, so kinda sorta. But since I plan on making regular trips, not really, I guess.

5-row keyboard!
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That's a tough decision. If time wasn't a factor, I would wait a month or two to see what happens with the i415 (Stratosphere) within the XDA community. Unfortunately for qwerty keyboard lovers, the phones we want don't get as much hype and publicity as the candybar phones. Otterbox and CyanogenMod barely acknowledged our phones. We happened to get VERY lucky getting this much support for the i927 (Captivate Glide) as the early stages were definitely desperate.
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If all other things were equal, and they're not (in terms of development progress here on xda), I would go for the 5 row keyboard. One of the things I found very irritating very early on with the glide is that every time you type a number, you have to hit Alt first. Given the number of characters and numbers in text these days, this gets really old, really fast.
If I had had more patience, and thought more deeply at the time, I suspect I would have preferred to wait.
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If all other things were equal, and they're not (in terms of development progress here on xda), I would go for the 5 row keyboard. One of the things I found very irritating very early on with the glide is that every time you type a number, you have to hit Alt first. Given the number of characters and numbers in text these days, this gets really old, really fast.
If I had had more patience, and thought more deeply at the time, I suspect I would have preferred to wait.
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I forgot the Glide only had four rows. As much as I've been using my Epic 4G...well it would be a learning curve to go from 5 rows to 4.

Stratosphere II has a locked bootloader and hasn't even been rooted yet. Also, while I haven't seen any reports yay or nay, it probably suffers the same domestic GSM lock all other Verizon phones have. It is possible to counter this, but not without a lot of dev support and root.
I switched from Captivate Glide to the Galaxy S Relay 4G. It has 5 rows, supports AT&T and a few other odd UMTS frequencies (Wind Mobile for instance) and has a fairly decent (but small) dev community with a working unofficial cyanogenmod 10.
The other choice is the Motorola Photon Q for Sprint, which comes comes with GSM capabilities, but you have to remove the pre-soldered SIM chip and add a SIM card adapter. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929143 I have seen no information on whether it is locked domestically for GSM. It can be reflashed to Cricket and PagePlus on the CDMA side as well, and there is a CM 10 for it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929143

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Stratosphere II has a locked bootloader and hasn't even been rooted yet. Also, while I haven't seen any reports yay or nay, it probably suffers the same domestic GSM lock all other Verizon phones have. It is possible to counter this, but not without a lot of dev support and root.
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Thanks for your reply. That no one has tried to root or unlock or even just manipulate the settings on this phone, which to me appears to be the true [yet unofficial] successor to the Epic 4G...blows my mind. Is there just no interest, or people don't know that it exists...I just don't understand.
I switched from Captivate Glide to the Galaxy S Relay 4G. It has 5 rows, supports AT&T and a few other odd UMTS frequencies (Wind Mobile for instance) and has a fairly decent (but small) dev community with a working unofficial cyanogenmod 10.
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Well my gameplan was to have a phone I can use both in the US and in Mexico...in Mexico it wouldn't be a big deal, but here any GSM (like from Net10) will go straight to the T-Mobile network since its a T-Mobile phone. And T-Mobile sucks and doesn't appear to be getting any better. I don't know how good or bad the 4G functionality is, but its not enough to have me go back to T-Mobile. That was a year of hell, not just from the almost non-existent coverage but the idiotic customer service as well. My uncle still has them and he complains about them all the time, but he's with them for a reason (something about coverage in Canada, I forget).
The other choice is the Motorola Photon Q for Sprint, which comes comes with GSM capabilities, but you have to remove the pre-soldered SIM chip and add a SIM card adapter. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929143 I have seen no information on whether it is locked domestically for GSM. It can be reflashed to Cricket and PagePlus on the CDMA side as well, and there is a CM 10 for it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1929143
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I'm not good at soldering. Plus if I mess up, gotta buy another phone.
Dang. Looks like I'll have to stick with the Glide for now. Well, I'll have to GET the Glide, then stick with it for now.

Um, I hate to break it to you, but your gsm service depends on which sim card you have. I am using the Galaxy S Relay just fine on AT&T.
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Um, I hate to break it to you, but your gsm service depends on which sim card you have. I am using the Galaxy S Relay just fine on AT&T.
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Not the way Net10 worded it, and I've spoken to them many times. They said it depends on the phone itself, as far as the BYOD program goes.

QWERTY Geek here
I've had the following QWERTY phones:
OG Droid
Stratosphere 1
Stratosphere 2 (current phone)
And my wife had the Captivate Glide until she dropped it recently.
Here are my thoughts:
1. Out of this list of phones, the Stratosphere 2 is best, no question. It's slightly faster than the Captivate Glide, has NFC, has a 5 row keyboard, has Verizon LTE, and has Bluetooth 4.0. There's hardly anyone even talking about this phone, much less getting dev/root work going. Sucks, too, since this is basically a Galaxy S3 Lite w/ QWERTY. Everything about this phone is solid.
2. The Captivate Glide GPS's sucked. And the ICS upgrade was an utter disaster. The new ICS upgrade isn't as bad, but the GPS on this phone is definitely much worse than any other phone on the above list. My wife stopped using it altogether and would just use Google Maps like I did back in the iPhone 3G days.
3. I liked the Captivate Glide's keyboard, but my wife hated it. She preferred the Stratosphere 1's keyboard and then the Strat 2. And in case you are wondering, I was barely surviving on the Strat1 when I upgraded in January... a 1GHz single core 512MB RAM phone just doesn't hold up any more, and battery life was awful (about 10 hours with light use, 16-20 hours with no use).
4. A Jellybean (4.1) update just came out for the Strat2. I've been holding back on upgrading due to my wife's horrible experience with ICS. In researching it, I discovered that FoxFi would apparently be broken and 4.1/4.2 has issues with a lot of N-only routers. I've been happy with the Strat2 and ICS, so I won't upgrade. But I so wish Cyanogen would pick up the slack.
5. Are we sure the Strat2 has a locked bootloader? My understanding is that Samsung phones have an unlocked bootloader but switch a flag if you change the ROM so warranty can be denied. Can someone verify?

Thank you very much for the note, some good and interesting stuff in here.
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1. Out of this list of phones, the Stratosphere 2 is best, no question. It's slightly faster than the Captivate Glide, has NFC, has a 5 row keyboard, has Verizon LTE, and has Bluetooth 4.0. There's hardly anyone even talking about this phone, much less getting dev/root work going. Sucks, too, since this is basically a Galaxy S3 Lite w/ QWERTY. Everything about this phone is solid.
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Any comments, Glide vis a vis Galaxy S Relay 4G? [e.g. you say Stratosphere 2 is basically a Galaxy S3 Lite w/qwerty - I've yet to come across a similar 'rating' for the 4G. I believe Glide would be S2 (Sii). I don't know what the 4G is.]
For me LTE vs anything else doesn't matter - I don't do data. Wi-fi, yes, so the N only issue is biting me. (Which I think is a phone hardware, not a software, issue. Guessing.) Much the same for Bluetooth - most any bluetooth, and within, say, 10', does what I need it to do. Can you say what Bluetooth 4 brings to the party?
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2. The Captivate Glide GPS's sucked. And the ICS upgrade was an utter disaster. The new ICS upgrade isn't as bad, but the GPS on this phone is definitely much worse than any other phone on the above list. My wife stopped using it altogether and would just use Google Maps like I did back in the iPhone 3G days.
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New ICS upgrade? (Link?)
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4. A Jellybean (4.1) update just came out for the Strat2. I've been holding back on upgrading due to my wife's horrible experience with ICS.
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Can you comment on that horrible experience? I've yet to upgrade from Gingerbread to something ICS here, so looking to be forearmed with (your) forewarning, here.
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In researching it, ... 4.1/4.2 has issues with a lot of N-only routers.
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I'm now wondering if this explains what I'm seeing on a certain router - across multiple phones and laptop. It's becoming a PITA. At home I get around some problem by setting a static IP.
Is this a common experience for people, across hardware - be it phones or laptops?

The Galaxy S Relay 4G looks like it basically has the tech of the Strat2, so I'd expect them to be equivalent. It looks like it has a physical mashup of the Captivate Glide and Strat2. Assuming you like the keyboard, the S Relay 4G looks like a better phone than the Captivate GLide. I have no experience with this phone.
Bluetooth 4 lets you use super low power bluetooth devices. StickNfind.com (I bought 6) is the first one I know of, but there will definitely be more over the next year or two. Lots of workout type devices and other sensors will start using it. It first arrived in phones in the iPhone 4s.
The Captivate Glide's original ICS upgrade was over Kies and was pulled due to horrendous user response. You can read threads all over by googling. Here's a taste: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1879432
Basically, GPS went to completely useless, phone app crashed constantly, contacts app crashed constantly, keyboard backlight never lit up, text messages coming in 15 times even though only sent once, and more. Most were fixed in a latter OTA update, though the text message thing still happened. The GPS also would sometimes go in and out of lock and wasn't really dependable.
Until the OTA update came out, I was about to have my wife take the phone back to the ATT store to exchange for a Gingerbread model under warranty. Incidentally, a month ago she dropped it and broke the screen and I replaced it with an LG Escape, which she LOVES (no qwerty). She never liked the Captivate Glide keyboard and considers the LG Escape's software keyboard to be just as good and it resolved all her other problems.
The router problem I'm seeing is only on phones that were working fine with ICS and then were upgraded to Jellybean. Here's a couple links:
https://community.verizonwireless.com/message/950253
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=34786
What you are experiencing sounds like a poor/dying router. It's definitely not normal. A firmware update may resolve the problem or you may try installing ddwrt.
Oh, here's a thread about rooting the Strat2 with no success yet:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2078615

Incidentally, I just tried to root the Samsung Stratosphere II i415 via SRSRoot, which claims it can root that phone. Unfortunately, after 3 attempts, I have nothing but failure. It tries to use root4, 4b, and 5 regardless of whether all root options or smartroot is selected.
Sucks because now VZ is forcing the JB update down. My options were simply to install now or defer 5 days. I chose the defer option, but from what I'm reading, that's a one time deal. So if I can't get rooted in the next 4 days and stop it, I'm going to be running JB whether I like it or not.

Stratosphere II gsm access
Hi
does the samsung stratosphere ii 2 work with gsm in the United States? What about internation gsm?

JoeFresco said:
Incidentally, I just tried to root the Samsung Stratosphere II i415 via SRSRoot, which claims it can root that phone. Unfortunately, after 3 attempts, I have nothing but failure. It tries to use root4, 4b, and 5 regardless of whether all root options or smartroot is selected.
Sucks because now VZ is forcing the JB update down. My options were simply to install now or defer 5 days. I chose the defer option, but from what I'm reading, that's a one time deal. So if I can't get rooted in the next 4 days and stop it, I'm going to be running JB whether I like it or not.
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I'm more interested in flashing it to another service like Cricket. I think its possible, not 100% sure. People barely know this phone exists, let alone have taken the time to hook it up to QPST to see what happens.
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Hi
does the samsung stratosphere ii 2 work with gsm in the United States? What about internation gsm?
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That's the question. Like I said, except for the nice fellow in this very thread, no one else really has it, so so far no one has bought it and taken it abroad to see if the GSM works. I would think its locked out the box, though. Verizon refuses to give me a straight answer, and I think its kinda obvious why: its impossible to be unlocked abroad yet locked here, meaning its unlocked all the way or not at all. Meaning if they unlock it, I could just buy it and take it to AT&T.
My guess (heck the Verizon folks are guessing if not outright lying) is that the CDMA functionality works in tandem with the GSM functionality, if you use the phone in the US. It kinda has to, since the GSM slot is also the 4G LTE slot and how you'd get the 4G functionality. Abroad, the CDMA functionality will both detect the 4G LTE SIM isn't there (you'd have to remove it to put in the international SIM from the carrier of your choice while abroad, like Telcel or Movistar in my case) and that you're not in the US, thus giving you "permission" I guess you'd say to let it be unlocked for the duration of your visit. Once you return, however, Verizon will say "Ah you're back in the US" (the CDMA will detect an active Verizon network and account) and lock it right back so you'd have no choice but to replace your international SIM with the 4G LTE sim.
Basically, Verizon through the CDMA functionality can lock or unlock the GSM functionality, merely through network detection (if you're in the US) and by itself using the GSM (4G).
So if you buy the phone outright, you'd never have to worry about the CDMA part since you never had an active service with Verizon through that phone. Without an active CDMA, its merely...a GSM phone, meaning it can be unlocked and can be used on any GSM network. Hence Verizon's reluctance to say yay or nay to whether the GSM can be unlocked. They can't stop you from buying the phone outright, but they don't have to help you unlock the GSM part and potentially take it to another carrier, either. I've heard more or less "Well by law..." yes, but they either don't know the law or count on you not knowing the law. And even pointing it out to them can simply result in "well we don't know how to unlock it, so..." Which would be BS, but there being a law won't make them do anything. They'll just find ways around it. Plausible ways.
All guesswork, and I could be 100% wrong. But hey, that's what it seems like. If I'm right, at least it could potentially be used as a GSM phone at least abroad until someone figures out how to root it.

Go for the Strat 2.
1. Faster CPU
2. Better GPS.
3. Jelly Bean Released on it.
4. 4 row keyboard, I hate having to hit ALT to hit a number. Use excel a lot and that is really annoying.
5. I think it has more internal memory as well. Glide has only 4GB useable internal memory. (they say it is an 8GB phone)
Don't get me wrong GLide is a great phone but it is stating to show its age. Unfortunately I have a 3 year contract, so still have another year and a half on it.
JB

dudejb said:
Go for the Strat 2.
1. Faster CPU
2. Better GPS.
3. Jelly Bean Released on it.
4. 4 row keyboard, I hate having to hit ALT to hit a number. Use excel a lot and that is really annoying.
5. I think it has more internal memory as well. Glide has only 4GB useable internal memory. (they say it is an 8GB phone)
Don't get me wrong GLide is a great phone but it is stating to show its age. Unfortunately I have a 3 year contract, so still have another year and a half on it.
JB
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Seems unrootable, but I'm wondering if its unflashable. I would like to buy it, flash it to Cricket, and just wait till someone roots the sucker. Flash it to Cricket and also unlock the GSM for use abroad. :good: That's my dream anyway. :fingers-crossed: