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AT&T Owners: Ready to Tell AT&T to Kiss Off?

I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?

Hey I feel your pain I am still using the Hermes from 3 years ago. I really want this phone but I can't do Sprint (Not enough custom ROM's etc) and Verizon well they just totally suck!! T-mobile is an option but coverage isn't that great here and there is no 3G and I have heard the sound volume is sucky on that one for some reason.
So I am stuck for now. As far as the whole 6.5 thing it really doesn't matter to me because I would just be using a custom ROM from here anyway but I really have no choice but to wait
While the Leo looks bad as hell I think its the first time I have actually thought hmmm maybe that phone is just too damn big for me lol

They've got the iDud and all the money and glory that goes along with it, do you think they give a crap about the Touch Pro 2?

MrDSL said:
Verizon well they just totally suck!! T
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Why do you say that?

californiarailroader said:
Why do you say that?
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Just my personal experience and I told myself long ago I would never give them my money again because of the things they do.
Most of their phones you can't send files like pics and ringtones via bluetooth because that profile is taken out. Alot of phone have GPS locked and WIFI taken out etc.
Again thats just my personal opinion.

MrDSL said:
Just my personal experience and I told myself long ago I would never give them my money again because of the things they do.
Most of their phones you can't send files like pics and ringtones via bluetooth because that profile is taken out. Alot of phone have GPS locked and WIFI taken out etc.
Again thats just my personal opinion.
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They used to do those things, that's true, but no more, all their smartphones (and regular phones) come with all features (like GPS, Bluetooth OBEX, etc.) intact and ready for use. They have also released ROM updates for many devices, like the original Touch Pro and Omnia that unlock the GPS on them. They said they'd do it, and they did, I am surprised but pretty happy they have

Thats probably true but at this point its the principle of the matter because I have way too many options in my area. Besides they are also the most expensive.

We've got 5 carriers, AT&T (formerly Edge Wireless here, an AT&T affiliate), Verizon, US Cellular, Metro PCS and as of this summer/fall, T-Mobile, who is just building out in our area. In terms of actual coverage, it goes like this-
1.US Cellular
2.Verizon
3.AT&T
4.Metro PCS
5.T-Mobile (they are just building out, hence the low rating).
Sprint and Nextel have licenses to serve our area as well, but have never built out a network here. Sprint roams on US Cellular, and Nextel phones are just dead paperweights.

californiarailroader said:
They've got the iDud and all the money and glory that goes along with it, do you think they give a crap about the Touch Pro 2?
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Oh it's obvious that they don't give a crap about it. My problem is that they want to have their cake and eat it too. "We don't give a crap about Windows Mobile users and we'll release the phones we're going to whenever we darn well please, but we want to be sure that HTC doesn't give people the opportunity to buy it before we make it available."
The fact that they keep the manufacturer from releasing an unlocked version that will work here is criminal. It's almost a cellular monopoly but in the sense that the carriers have gotten together as a team in an effort to remove choice from the consumer. They can claim all they want that you can still buy one from the manufacturer but that's like saying you can only buy a Porsche in the US from a Porsche dealer. If you order one from overseas, not only will you pay significantly more, we're also going to replace the engine with one from a 1987 Ford Escort.
Why can't we just buy the phone we want from whoever we choose and let that be that. I still have to pay for service any way you cut it. They can't be making THAT much money of the device itself anyway!

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Who's with me
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Not me.
I'm cruising along just fine on my Kaiser till AT&T gets the Tilt 2 like they want it.
Everything I've read leads me to believe it's a great device and worth the wait. If I get 2 years out of a Tilt 2 like I have my Tilt 1, it's all good.

I'm with you. Hopefully I'll be saying byebye to AT&T today...Once my TP2 arrives..

I don't mean to be a little rough but STOP WHINING AND TAKE ACTION!
I felt exactly as you did and changing carriers wasn’t really an answer. After all, by buying from any carrier you are supporting HTC and the local carriers who arrange/force HTC not to release phones with US 3G bands.
The ONLY way this is going to change is if the customers (YOU) change.
Personally, I have decided I will NOT sign any 2 year commitment and I will NOT be forced to buy a data plan, and I will NOT support HTC who is allowing ATT and others to bully them into not releasing world phones with US 3G bands.
The solution is simple, buy from a company who DOES NOT DO THIS. Personally, I went with the Samsung Omnia 2. If that is not your cup of tea, look at Nokia’s or even the Sony X2 which is due out soon. Support the companies that are releasing phones with US 3G bands.
The only way the local carriers are going to change (or HTC) is if enough of us speak with our money and take our business elsewhere. That is the only way things will change. Whining about it on a forum isn’t going to have any effect.
Good luck to you and I hope you do speak with your wallet by taking your business to other phone manufacturers.

While I'm certainly not enjoying the wait to upgrade my 8525, I don't really see the issue with them waiting for WinMo 6.5. Sucks for me, but then I know the carrier is going to fully support it. Are all the other carriers going to have 6.5 upgrades ready and waiting on Oct 6th?
Also I feel like I'm in the minority, but my experience with AT&T has been great. Their 3G coverage in my area is fantastic. I'm not a big fan of AT&T as a company, but I have a hard time arguing with the service I receive.

My first post.
I've been waiting on ATT for what seems like forever. Think I'm going over to Sprint in a week or two so I can try out both the TP2 and the Hero then decide which one I want. Not to mention the monthly cost will be significantly reduced compared to ATT.
Have a newb question. I know there is a different hardspl for the Sprint version, that isn't out yet as far as I can tell, but once hardspl is out will all the roms, software, etc. for the other versions work on the CDMA version? If not I might be stuck waiting on ATT and paying too much for service.

jonnyp4l said:
I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?
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I'm way ahead of you. I left AT&T 3 weeks ago for the TMo TP2.
argoldst said:
I don't mean to be a little rough but STOP WHINING AND TAKE ACTION!
I felt exactly as you did and changing carriers wasn’t really an answer. After all, by buying from any carrier you are supporting HTC and the local carriers who arrange/force HTC not to release phones with US 3G bands.
The ONLY way this is going to change is if the customers (YOU) change.
Personally, I have decided I will NOT sign any 2 year commitment and I will NOT be forced to buy a data plan, and I will NOT support HTC who is allowing ATT and others to bully them into not releasing world phones with US 3G bands.
The solution is simple, buy from a company who DOES NOT DO THIS. Personally, I went with the Samsung Omnia 2. If that is not your cup of tea, look at Nokia’s or even the Sony X2 which is due out soon. Support the companies that are releasing phones with US 3G bands.
The only way the local carriers are going to change (or HTC) is if enough of us speak with our money and take our business elsewhere. That is the only way things will change. Whining about it on a forum isn’t going to have any effect.
Good luck to you and I hope you do speak with your wallet by taking your business to other phone manufacturers.
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Let's see, you don't have a TP2, don't even have an HTC phone, and are advocating that all of us also refuse to buy HTC altogether so WTF are you doing here in a forum dedicated primarily to HTC phones? It seems to me that if you really were serious about your little boycott you would put your money where your mouth is and "take your business elsewhere."
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SoapDoctor said:
My first post.
Have a newb question. I know there is a different hardspl for the Sprint version, that isn't out yet as far as I can tell, but once hardspl is out will all the roms, software, etc. for the other versions work on the CDMA version? If not I might be stuck waiting on ATT and paying too much for service.
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I highly doubt it.

i think the main reason att hasnt released the touch pro 2 is that their network isnt ready to handle all the data the will be running on those devices, they have already alot of activity from the 3gs , also they are waiting to release it with windows 6.5 so that will be a plus because it will be definite that it will be fully supported, just my .02

jonnyp4l said:
I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?
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Ditto, Verizon (coverage and unlocked GSM sim card), sprint if they have good coverage in your area (4G),

I would have jumped ship if not for the fact that it would cost me a minimum of $30/month more on any other carrier compared to my grandfathered plan.
So in the meantime my Tilt is enough to keep me going, though my patience is very thin at this point. I just want to know a release date (price too would be nice). That would at least make the waiting more bearable knowing when it would end.

Leave AT&T cause they release a phone 2 months after others? Doubly a solid reason.
I like AT&T, I like their prices (I pay $20 for unlim internet, + $70 for 2 phones (700 mins)). Plus their rollover feature is cool, I got like 4.8K minutes accumulated (way too much I know).
Plus their customer service is awesome, they've repeatedly forgiven me $200-$300 on my account when I went way out of limit (about 4 years ago). My friend with Verizon was so jealous.
Just hang tight, AT&T's tilt 2 will be out in Nov '09.

let me get this straight

Buying a phone without contract is unlocked?
Or is it still under the current plan? Or new plan with that carrier?

No. It will still be carrier locked if you buy it from them. It will be carrier locked unless its explicitly stated otherwise.

bazhip said:
No. It will still be carrier locked if you buy it from them. It will be carrier locked unless its explicitly stated otherwise.
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Yep, this is generally the case. Unless buying an unlocked European phone. Aka buy the phone put any carrier SIM in it that works on those GSM bands.
OP, if you buy the phone on a contract you can always take it to a new line/account on the same carrier by switching SIM cards, but the obligation lies in paying the old contract out, that's where the ETF is. The bonus of buying a phone unlocked, or at least unsubsidized is not having the carrier contract.

Oh okay, the main reason I asked is because I seen a thread and someone was talking about trading in there phone for the Incredible S and someone said to buy it for like 599 or something unlocked and it just gave me the idea that buying a phone at the retail price meant your not tied down to a contract hence price, which seems to make sense.. But also makes sense that you are in fact tied down to that specific carrier hence buying from them.
The contract price is to lock you in basically, and the retail price is because you ALREADY have a contract and simply want to switch your device without messing up your contract. OR... maybe your credit isn't the greatest so just paying out of pocket is your best bet!

melodicjunkie said:
Oh okay, the main reason I asked is because I seen a thread and someone was talking about trading in there phone for the Incredible S and someone said to buy it for like 599 or something unlocked and it just gave me the idea that buying a phone at the retail price meant your not tied down to a contract hence price, which seems to make sense.. But also makes sense that you are in fact tied down to that specific carrier hence buying from them.
The contract price is to lock you in basically, and the retail price is because you ALREADY have a contract and simply want to switch your device without messing up your contract. OR... maybe your credit isn't the greatest so just paying out of pocket is your best bet!
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You've got it. If you've got a contract already and don't want to extend it or aren't eligible for an upgrade, you can pay full price for the phone and just insert your SIM card.
Should also be said that GSM phones can be unlocked with unlock codes to be used on different carriers in different countries etc.. This isn't much of an issue in the US because T-mobile and AT&T are the only 2 big national's that offer GSM service (aside from Simple Mobile, etc. but those are on AT&T/T-mo towers anyways), and they operate on different 3G frequencies so unlocking your T-mo phone will only get you EDGE on AT&T and vice-versa. So really the only reason to unlock is for international travel.

martonikaj said:
You've got it. If you've got a contract already and don't want to extend it or aren't eligible for an upgrade, you can pay full price for the phone and just insert your SIM card.
Should also be said that GSM phones can be unlocked with unlock codes to be used on different carriers in different countries etc.. This isn't much of an issue in the US because T-mobile and AT&T are the only 2 big national's that offer GSM service (aside from Simple Mobile, etc. but those are on AT&T/T-mo towers anyways), and they operate on different 3G frequencies so unlocking your T-mo phone will only get you EDGE on AT&T and vice-versa. So really the only reason to unlock is for international travel.
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Thanks! What do you think is faster at&t or tmobile? I'm really liking my service, tmobile doesn't have the best coverage but when 4g kicks in, its fast. Tmobile will be switching to hpsa++ so I can't wait for that.
At&t seems obsolete because of veriPhone.

melodicjunkie said:
Oh okay, the main reason I asked is because I seen a thread and someone was talking about trading in there phone for the Incredible S and someone said to buy it for like 599 or something unlocked
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They probably meant for a retailer not associated with your carrier. There are various cellphone vendors online, etc. that sell phones unlocked. Carriers don't sell unlocked phones typically. Its against their self interest. The only reason cell companies sell phones at all is to lure new customer and retain existing ones. They make little or no profit from selling phones.
If you buy a phone full retail price from your carrier, you can use it on your current plan. But its not really linked to a plan. Some carrier will let you walk into a store and buy a phone for full price without a contract or service with them even, I believe. Although some apparently won't. With a GSM phone, it doesn't really matter, you can swap your SIM in and out of whatever device (as long as its SIM locked to your carrier, or unlocked, and uses the same frequency bands). Its the SIM that is linked to your account, not the device.

melodicjunkie said:
Thanks! What do you think is faster at&t or tmobile? I'm really liking my service, tmobile doesn't have the best coverage but when 4g kicks in, its fast. Tmobile will be switching to hpsa++ so I can't wait for that.
AT&T seems obsolete because of veriPhone.
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AT&T is the second largest cell carrier in the country, and that was true long before the iPhone. And they only barely trail Verizon in the number of customers. Why would VZN getting the iPhoney make AT&T obsolete? If anything, I personally feel that things are looking BETTER on AT&T for Android users. Now that iPhone exclusivity is gone, AT&T has the freedom to release some REAL Android devices (which they are now doing).
It seems that AT&T's network size has also been a hindrance in its move to 3G, and now 4G. T-Mob seems to be well ahead of AT&T in deploying 4G/HSPA+. Just based on comments on these forums, it seems that people are getting up to 7 Mbps on T-Mob in some areas, with number often being in the 4-5 Mbps range. Best I've seen on AT&T is just under 4 Mbps, with the typical case being more like 2-3 Mbps. And I haven't seen any comments by AT&T users on here and the AT&T forums about getting any faster than that (and often slower). Plus AT&T has only stated theoretical download speeds of "up to" 6 Mbps on HSPA+ (and thats probably optimistic), so we likely won't see any faster than that until they deploy LTE. But as you said, T-Mob coverage tends to not be the greatest in some areas.
I'd ask around with friends, co-workers, etc. in your local market to try to determine which carrier has the best coverage and data speeds in your area. Also compare plan prices and phone selection, and from there determine which carrier is best for you.

At&t buying T-mobile Its A good thing

Ok guys i did a little research and At&t buying T-Mobile is actually a good thing heirs my reasons why.
1.Larger variety of android phones or any ohone for that matter.
2.Yes we get to keep unlimited data plan because they have to take some of T-Mobiles customs to keep customers happy.
3.Almost every one you call will be mobile to mobile so less minutes you have to worry about.
4.Largest 4g network More Towers so better signal.
well those are my reason so hopefully it keeps you guys from going to Verizon or sprint -_-

youngmane said:
Ok guys i did a little research and At&t buying T-Mobile is actually a good thing heirs my reasons why.
1.Larger variety of android phones or any ohone for that matter.
2.Yes we get to keep unlimited data plan because they have to take some of T-Mobiles customs to keep customers happy.
3.Almost every one you call will be mobile to mobile so less minutes you have to worry about.
4.Largest 4g network More Towers so better signal.
well those are my reason so hopefully it keeps you guys from going to Verizon or sprint -_-
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Thats fine and dandy. But what happens when ATT decides to make changes. Add hidden fees, completely eliminate the unlimited data? Sure they will keep some of the features that Tmobile has, but nothing stays the same.
if they do keep the unlimited data, it will be a hell of a lot higher of a price per month then what we pay now.
This merger is bad news and is very very bad.

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Thats fine and dandy. But what happens when ATT decides to make changes. Add hidden fees, completely eliminate the unlimited data? Sure they will keep some of the features that Tmobile has, but nothing stays the same.
if they do keep the unlimited data, it will be a hell of a lot higher of a price per month then what we pay now.
This merger is bad news and is very very bad.
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They better honor our current bill or I will cancel my contract because the reason I went to t-mobile is to leave at&t
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My No contract Even More+ plan will be gone, and I'll have to pay almost double what I do now just to keep my service. They're going to honor current contracts but when they end its GG.
AT&T is going to ruin what made T-Mobile good.
I wouldn't have as much issue with AT&T if they weren't so ridiculous and expensive. They have data caps and their network is SO SLOW with all the iPhone users. Its absolutely ridiculous. I don't wanna be gimped from an awesome carrier just because AT&T can't build their own towers out.

It sucks, for sure.. att customers are the only ones to benefit since they stole our 4G. The plus side is that we won't see any changes for atleast a year..
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The buyout is not a good thing at all. Less competition is never good. T-Mobile was Google's go-to network. The innovate Android phones always went to T-Mobile first.
One of the worst things about this whole deal is that T-Mobile phones will have to be replaced eventually. AT&T will be restructuring the whole network to use it's own 3G/4G frequencies, which T-Mobile phones aren't capable of using. So you'd be stuck on edge. It's supposed to take several years before the switch over is complete, so hopefully by then my G2 will be long outdated, since I just bought it a couple months ago at full price because I'm on a no-contract plan.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110321/ap_on_hi_te/us_at_t_t_mobile_usa_phones

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Ok guys i did a little research and At&t buying T-Mobile is actually a good thing heirs my reasons why.
1.Larger variety of android phones or any ohone for that matter.
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How you figure? A phone is a phone, and nobody has EVER (except CDMA) forced you to buy your phone from your carrier.
2.Yes we get to keep unlimited data plan because they have to take some of T-Mobiles customs to keep customers happy.
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Ah, NO. The reason is that since tmobile will no longer exist, they won't lose any customers by raising prices since there is no longer any competition to run to. No, CDMA carriers are not competition.
3.Almost every one you call will be mobile to mobile so less minutes you have to worry about.
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How does that affect anything? You're still using your phone, there's no competition, so they can charge you whatever they want.
4.Largest 4g network More Towers so better signal.
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That depends on what they intend to do with things. Maybe they'll transfer all of tmobile's customers over to att towers and use tmobile towers to implement LTE. If that happens, you aren't going to have any better coverage.

If history has taught us a lesson... Look at the case of Cingular being bought up by AT&T. Cingular was all about a huge variety of phones, great plans, and awesome reps (in store and on the support line) that made them great. When AT&T had swallowed them up, the integration took about 1-2 years where they were called "Cingular by AT&T" while keeping some of their nuances and then post integration they became AT&T with all the bad that AT&T brings.
To the original poster saying that there could be more Android devices from this deal... There is also no guarantee to that, because if he has forgotten... AT&T was the LAST provider to adopt Android phones and only did so because their iPhone honeymoon exclusive was over. Even then, if they do offer more Android devices... They could lock them down forcing users to side-load apps as see with Android phones like the Xperia X10 or Samsung Captivate. Also, they could end up capping future 4G devices as seen with the HTC Inspire.
As another poster in this thread said... LESS competition is BAD for the consumer and MORE competition is BETTER for the consumer.

youngmane said:
Ok guys i did a little research and At&t buying T-Mobile is actually a good thing heirs my reasons why.
1.Larger variety of android phones or any ohone for that matter.
2.Yes we get to keep unlimited data plan because they have to take some of T-Mobiles customs to keep customers happy.
3.Almost every one you call will be mobile to mobile so less minutes you have to worry about.
4.Largest 4g network More Towers so better signal.
well those are my reason so hopefully it keeps you guys from going to Verizon or sprint -_-
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it's truly saddening to me that the majority of people here are more concerned with cell towers and glorified walkie talkies than the underlying economic and (yes, I'm going there) societal impact of an acquisition of this magnitude.

dhilberg said:
The buyout is not a good thing at all. Less competition is never good. T-Mobile was Google's go-to network. The innovate Android phones always went to T-Mobile first.
One of the worst things about this whole deal is that T-Mobile phones will have to be replaced eventually. AT&T will be restructuring the whole network to use it's own 3G/4G frequencies, which T-Mobile phones aren't capable of using. So you'd be stuck on edge. It's supposed to take several years before the switch over is complete, so hopefully by then my G2 will be long outdated, since I just bought it a couple months ago at full price because I'm on a no-contract plan.
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I went into my local T-Mobile store and asked several questions about our phones working on At&t network and was told that At&t and T-Mobile are in the works of offering a universal sim card that will allow our phones (At&t/T-Mobile) to work on each others network. We'll see!

I'm a current AT&T customer and I can't say I disagree with much of the discussion here.
It's impossible to say how things will change a few years down the road, but one thing is definitely true:
Less Competition is NEVER good for the consumer. In the end we (ATT and T-Mobile customers) WILL pay more for service.
Let's see if the feds do their job and shoot down this acquisition...

1.Immediaely, yes. Long run, no.
2.Why do they have to make them happy? What alternative will we have? Verizon will be the only other somewhat decent option, and their incredibly overpriced and don't use GSM so we'd have to buy a new phone.
3. True, our 'family' will be growing, causing us to possibly use less minutes.... I don't use the amount given in the smallest family plan though.
4. Actual 4g network rather than fake 4g network is good, more towers are good, etc.... good point.
Things not concidered:
1. monopoly on GSM (monopolies are generally not good)
2. prices will eventually go up. you'll be grandfathered but things change, especially if you have no real competition.
3. at&t diferentiates tethering (this is where you will probably lose your grandfathered unlimited data).
4. economy hinderance: loss of jobs, no longer an 'affordable' choice for cell service, less providers means less money for phone anufactorers (minimal impact there for people).
5. Good bye, customer service....

I don't see how they are going to raise the prices of unlimited plan if you already have one...hence everyone that had an unlimited data plan with att before they changed pricing was grandfathered with no price change. I'm not happy about att buying tmo but the one thing I'm sure of is if you already have the plan they won't change it. When you want to change your cell plan is when you will lose it
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Our contracts with this whole thing
I could be wrong, and I only skim the contracts, but haven't t-mobile customers signed contracts to be on T-mobile? If ATT absorbs their customer base and T-mobile no longer exists, do our contracts still remain?

KingAndroid said:
I could be wrong, and I only skim the contracts, but haven't t-mobile customers signed contracts to be on T-mobile? If ATT absorbs their customer base and T-mobile no longer exists, do our contracts still remain?
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the T-Mobile website merger Q&A states that they will keep everyone's contracted price. But I'm sure as soon as your contract ends, you're gonna be forced.
And I'm sure that once they required you to switch to an AT&T phone from a T-mobile phone because of the frequency switch, they'll make you end your contract and sign a new AT&T one anyways, so there goes that.

Years ago I worked for Verizon. On most days I would come across people that had been merged into Verizon from some other company. I remember one case where a customer had an unlimited voice plan for something like $30 a month. Now this was back before any one had an unlimited voice plan. When I looked into it the customer had been merged in about 2 or more years before and never been on a contract. Now from what I remember a company can not change your plan unless you consent. About the only way they can get you is if you do something like sign a new contract. Now they will try to trick you into changing from the grandfathered plan. So they can not kill or change our unlimited data plans.
I was with Cingular when they were bought out. I kept my Cingular contract right up until they came out with the Iphone and i was out of contract the whole time.
Now it will be interesting to see what becomes of Tmobile's prepay contract service.

AT&T buying out T-Mobile is BAD. Remember, it hasn't happened yet, and there's no way the DOJ will approve it anyway.

Any news on a T-Mobile GNex?

Ive been waiting and waiting to upgrade as ive been waiting for the GNex to hit TMo but i havent heard any news lately, am i just missing news? Did they announce anything at CES?
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Nothing...use your upgrade, sell that device on marketplace, craigslist or ebay + put additional money and get the unlocked gsm version.
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Does the unlocked version get TMo 4G?
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I'm pretty sure it does. It should be "4G" capable on both At&t and Tmobile. I can definitely say it works on At&t

Yes, we get "4G" on tmobile.

Juls317 said:
Does the unlocked version get TMo 4G?
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Yes its HSPA+ 21mbps pentaband (working on T-mo and AT&T).
They did not announce anything. There isn't even a rumor about a T-mobile release. If you want the GN, hook it up unlocked.

kirdroid said:
Nothing...use your upgrade, sell that device on marketplace, craigslist or ebay + put additional money and get the unlocked gsm version.
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Pretty much what he said. The only phone that T-Mobile announced was the Samsung Galaxy Blaze 4G which is definitely not the Galaxy Nexus.
Kind of disappointed in T-Mobile's lineup. We might see something at MWC but I wouldn't put my bets on it.

Is there some legal reason that t-mobile couldn't just bulk buy some off samsung and put it on their network?
Unless they're wanting their own version that is locked down - like AT&T is rumored to be doing.

wonshikee said:
Is there some legal reason that t-mobile couldn't just bulk buy some off samsung and put it on their network?
Unless they're wanting their own version that is locked down - like AT&T is rumored to be doing.
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Where is the source that AT&T wants to "lock" down their device?
And that doesn't sound too logical to buy phones from a company and put it on their company. If T-Mobile was able to do that then they could just buy a bunch of iPhones and sell them. I'm sure the manufacturer and carrier needs to agree with the sale.
And honestly, Nexus devices are not your "everyday devices." The demand for them compared to iPhones or even Galaxy S2 devices are not as high.

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Where is the source that AT&T wants to "lock" down their device?
And that doesn't sound too logical to buy phones from a company and put it on their company. If T-Mobile was able to do that then they could just buy a bunch of iPhones and sell them. I'm sure the manufacturer and carrier needs to agree with the sale.
And honestly, Nexus devices are not your "everyday devices." The demand for them compared to iPhones or even Galaxy S2 devices are not as high.
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The AT&T thing is a rumor based on a new Nexus that went through the FCC (it was a while back) that had AT&T bands only, didn't have one of the AWS bands for TMO or something.
Also iPhone's aren't the same thing, because they're hobbled on that network, whereas a Nexus works in its full capacity. The people who use an iPhone there are masochist who love EDGE speed

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The AT&T thing is a rumor based on a new Nexus that went through the FCC (it was a while back) that had AT&T bands only, didn't have one of the AWS bands for TMO or something.
Also iPhone's aren't the same thing, because they're hobbled on that network, whereas a Nexus works in its full capacity. The people who use an iPhone there are masochist who love EDGE speed
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That's kind of silly if AT&T is trying to alter the Galaxy Nexus because the phone itself is "pentaband" wouldn't it be more expensive for AT&T to change the phone from pentaband to only their network? Weird.
iPhones are definitely hobbled but MANY MANY people still buy them off contract and unlock themselves to use it on T-Mobile's EDGE network. As much as I hate EDGE, people still do this rather than use Android devices. I honestly don't know why they would do this except to save money on their plan but it's not worth paying for a internet plan and being stuck with using EDGE.

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That's kind of silly if AT&T is trying to alter the Galaxy Nexus because the phone itself is "pentaband" wouldn't it be more expensive for AT&T to change the phone from pentaband to only their network? Weird.
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AT&T would want their own model with GSM and LTE anyways.
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There obviously has to be an agreement between T-Mobile and Samsung to properly set up supply chains and get everything working. T-Mobile can't just buy millions of these wholesale, put a T-Mobile logo on them and start selling them in-store. Its not that easy to launch a carrier device.

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That's kind of silly if AT&T is trying to alter the Galaxy Nexus because the phone itself is "pentaband" wouldn't it be more expensive for AT&T to change the phone from pentaband to only their network? Weird.
iPhones are definitely hobbled but MANY MANY people still buy them off contract and unlock themselves to use it on T-Mobile's EDGE network. As much as I hate EDGE, people still do this rather than use Android devices. I honestly don't know why they would do this except to save money on their plan but it's not worth paying for a internet plan and being stuck with using EDGE.
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It's not silly if you want to be a **** and jail everyone into your own Network so you make more $$, also AT&T will probably want LTE (though I don't think the FCC submission had one) on top of the HSPA radio.
Also like I said, people who switch with an iPhone KNOW what they're doing, once you open the flood gates and announce you're offering something - ton of people who don't really understand the issue will buy it and get pissed off.
Besides I doubt Apple would allow Tmo to sell it for that very reason - they don't want to be blamed for the 2G speed.

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It's not silly if you want to be a **** and jail everyone into your own Network so you make more $$.
Also like I said, people who switch with an iPhone KNOW what they're doing, once you open the flood gates and announce you're offering something - ton of people who don't really understand the issue will buy it and get pissed off.
Besides I doubt Apple would allow Tmo to sell it for that very reason - they don't want to be blamed for the 2G speed.
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Well obviously Apple wouldn't sell an EDGE only device directly through T-mo, but Apple does sell the iPhone 4 and 4S unlocked directly online. You can buy it and put a T-Mo SIM in it all you want.
People save a ton of money by going to T-Mo with their iPhone. They're willing to live with EDGE especially if they're on WiFi most of the time and don't care if they necessarily have 3G. EDGE still gets the job done unless you're doing lots of web browsing. Its not like you don't have data.

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Hm. If AT&T wants their GSM/LTE version then they might be adopting the same technology that the LG Spectrum has where it can use GSM and LTE (as announced by Verizon)
@wonshikee: Most likely. But it's all good because I don't want more consumption on the TMo network by iPhone users
@martonikaj: yeah pretty much do the SIM thing but iphone uses microSIM so thats the only thing you have to do which I believe you can just use a knife and cut it to be a microsim (or something like that)

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AT&T would want their own model with GSM and LTE anyways.
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There obviously has to be an agreement between T-Mobile and Samsung to properly set up supply chains and get everything working. T-Mobile can't just buy millions of these wholesale, put a T-Mobile logo on them and start selling them in-store. Its not that easy to launch a carrier device.
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Yeah I'm sure that's the reason, but it just begs to question, why?
I mean is there really some legal mumbo jumbo that says you can't buy the Nexus and resell it as part of your own service?
It's one thing - when the OEM has to specifically build a phone for the carrier, but another when it will work perfect fine. That's why I raise the issue.
I would assume the main reason is that, Samsung would be inclined to give a bigger discount with a formal contract agreement - which then allows Samsung to handle the supply chain aspect to provide the goods on their own terms. Plus they probably sold their soul to VZ for the current period saying we won't let any other carrier use it officially.

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Hm. If AT&T wants their GSM/LTE version then they might be adopting the same technology that the LG Spectrum has where it can use GSM and LTE (as announced by Verizon)
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No... They'll just use the technology they're already using on all other LTE phones on AT&T, like the Skyrocket, Vivid, and half a dozen other phones launched at CES. GSM/LTE chips already exist. They don't need anything new.
The Verizon phones with new chips have CDMA/LTE for Verizon US, then GSM for world roaming. That's a new feature, and does not apply to AT&T whatsoever.
@martonikaj: yeah pretty much do the SIM thing but iphone uses microSIM so thats the only thing you have to do which I believe you can just use a knife and cut it to be a microsim (or something like that)
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There are SIM cutters all over the internet. Its easy. Cutting a Mini SIM to a Micro (or putting a Micro in a Mini adapter) is the least of your problems.

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Yeah I'm sure that's the reason, but it just begs to question, why?
I mean is there really some legal mumbo jumbo that says you can't buy the Nexus and resell it as part of your own service?
It's one thing - when the OEM has to specifically build a phone for the carrier, but another when it will work perfect fine. That's why I raise the issue.
I would assume the main reason is that, Samsung would be inclined to give a bigger discount with a formal contract agreement - which then allows Samsung to handle the supply chain aspect to provide the goods on their own terms. Plus they probably sold their soul to VZ for the current period saying we won't let any other carrier use it.
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It is probably some "legal jumbo" and interests of the customer. If the device isn't officially supported by the manufacturer to sell to that carrier in bulk, then they can't fulfill the warranty as it's a "grey market."
I'm definitely not a lawyer but this would be a problem for the carrier if customers aren't able to get their warranty covered by Samsung and have to go through T-Mobile directly or something.
@martonikaj: Yeah I know it's easy to do. Was just correcting you a little bit there because a sim card isn't a microSIM.

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I mean is there really some legal mumbo jumbo that says you can't buy the Nexus and resell it as part of your own service?
It's one thing - when the OEM has to specifically build a phone for the carrier, but another when it will work perfect fine. That's why I raise the issue.
I would assume the main reason is that, Samsung would be inclined to give a bigger discount with a formal contract agreement - which then allows Samsung to handle the supply chain aspect to provide the goods on their own terms. Plus they probably sold their soul to VZ for the current period saying we won't let any other carrier use it officially.
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Verizon has an exclusive on carriers selling the Galaxy Nexus in the US.
T-Mo won't make nearly as much money if they were literally buying them and reselling. They need a contractual obligation with Samsung to produce phones and sell at a certain price.
Think about everything that goes into a phone launch. They need to educate sales and support staff, start a marketing campaign, setup their systems, start the supply chain management, etc. etc. etc.. They can't do all of this, and start selling phones then have Samsung run out or not fulfill orders because to Sammy, T-Mo is just another random buyer. T-Mo could be buying millions of phones over the life of its sale. Again, it REALLY isn't as easy as you think.
Some retailer or local shop could buy and resell, but T-Mobile USA can't do that.
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@martonikaj: Yeah I know it's easy to do. Was just correcting you a little bit there because a sim card isn't a microSIM.
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.... anyone spending $650+ on an unlocked iPhone (or ETF-ing, jailbreaking + unlocking) and moving it to T-Mobile should be smart enough to know how to cut cardboard. Like I said, Mini vs Micro SIM isn't even a problem. They are literally the exact same except the size of the cardboard around it.

Not to bump a stupidly old thread, but any news lately that I may have missed?
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Am I crazy...

Im considering leaving Verizon and my unlimited Data plan behind for AT&T. Am I crazy? I think of it like this.... We have more options with GSM. Google will sell the Nexus from now on for a no contract price cheaper than the stores. Verizon will probably never see another Nexus. If we like a phone that is ether not coming to the states or coming 6 months later we can still buy one.

Trading one tyrant for another.
Your call. I'd go contract free before doing such a thing.

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Im considering leaving Verizon and my unlimited Data plan behind for AT&T. Am I crazy? I think of it like this.... We have more options with GSM. Google will sell the Nexus from now on for a no contract price cheaper than the stores. Verizon will probably never see another Nexus. If we like a phone that is ether not coming to the states or coming 6 months later we can still buy one.
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You'll lose your unlimited Verizon plan when you "upgrade" your phone anyways... unless you buy full price.
So yeah personally I'm GSM all the way and I buy my phones full price anyways, and I use no contract T-Mobile. So up to you if you want.

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Im considering leaving Verizon and my unlimited Data plan behind for AT&T. Am I crazy? I think of it like this.... We have more options with GSM. Google will sell the Nexus from now on for a no contract price cheaper than the stores. Verizon will probably never see another Nexus. If we like a phone that is ether not coming to the states or coming 6 months later we can still buy one.
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Unless the coverage is poor in your area I would recommend T-Mobile over AT&T. AT&T is a rather awful carrier in more ways than I'd like to go into right now. Either way, while Verizon has incredible coverage I never recommend using a CDMA network of any kind, much less Verizon, but that is my own personal opinion.

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You'll lose your unlimited Verizon plan when you "upgrade" your phone anyways... unless you buy full price.
So yeah personally I'm GSM all the way and I buy my phones full price anyways, and I use no contract T-Mobile. So up to you if you want.
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Is this something that was just recently instated? I didn't buy my GN right away but when I upgraded I kept my Unlimited Data even though at the time they were selling 2gb/4gb/6gb packages.

joeymad said:
Is this something that was just recently instated? I didn't buy my GN right away but when I upgraded I kept my Unlimited Data even though at the time they were selling 2gb/4gb/6gb packages.
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Yes this is a recent change, it went into effect when shared data plans started (1-2 weeks ago)

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Is this something that was just recently instated? I didn't buy my GN right away but when I upgraded I kept my Unlimited Data even though at the time they were selling 2gb/4gb/6gb packages.
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Yep, starting June 28 the unlimited data plan is no longer available on Verizon for new contracts or upgrades

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Yes this is a recent change, it went into effect when shared data plans started (1-2 weeks ago)
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Few days ago, actually. We have just known it was coming for that long

GSM all the way. I much prefer the flexibility of SIM cards to..well..hard programming into the phone. There's something nice about being able to totally skip your carrier when you want to change phones.
For example, I got sick of my old HTC Legend. Even though I was only a year into my contract, I got a second hand Xperia Play, swap the sim, boom boom done. A year later I'm due for an upgrade and I'm not even sick of my phone. No matter, hello Nexus!

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GSM all the way. I much prefer the flexibility of SIM cards to..well..hard programming into the phone. There's something nice about being able to totally skip your carrier when you want to change phones.
For example, I got sick of my old HTC Legend. Even though I was only a year into my contract, I got a second hand Xperia Play, swap the sim, boom boom done. A year later I'm due for an upgrade and I'm not even sick of my phone. No matter, hello Nexus!
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/me looks at the SIM card in his Verizon phone

Yeah it's new. Came with the new shared everything plans. And apparently they're also going to start tacking on a 40 dollar per month service fee for smartphones as well. Really lame.
In my opinion, I'm really happy with ATT. Yeah they're more expensive than TMobile, but their coverage is damn good and my hspa+ speeds are actually faster than VZW's lte where I live. It really depends on your area. But I definitely suggest either ATT or TMobile purely for the gsm phones. Means you can use international versions as well.
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Yeah it's new. Came with the new shared everything plans. And apparently they're also going to start tacking on a 40 dollar per month service fee for smartphones as well. Really lame.
In my opinion, I'm really happy with ATT. Yeah they're more expensive than TMobile, but their coverage is damn good and my hspa+ speeds are actually faster than VZW's lte where I live. It really depends on your area. But I definitely suggest either ATT or TMobile purely for the gsm phones. Means you can use international versions as well.
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Not disagreeing that shared plans suck, but the shared plan and fee go together. It isn't enforced on other plans.

adrynalyne said:
/me looks at the SIM card in his Verizon phone
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Hahaha, no way. I guess I've just dated myself, I thought CDMA was still hard programmed into the phone Was always the reason I went with a GSM carrier.

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Hahaha, no way. I guess I've just dated myself, I thought CDMA was still hard programmed into the phone Was always the reason I went with a GSM carrier.
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Verizon found a way around it. Sprint on the other hand...they are still provisioned per phone.

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Verizon found a way around it. Sprint on the other hand...they are still provisioned per phone.
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When did it change? I remember when my American BF changed his phone a year or two ago (verizon) and he had to get them to reprogram the contacts because of lack of SIM. Sorry for the lack of knowledge here, I live in Canada.

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When did it change? I remember when my American BF changed his phone a year or two ago (verizon) and he had to get them to reprogram the contacts because of lack of SIM
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With the addiiton of LTE devices, they brought in the SIMs as well.
Their EvDo devices are simless, but as far as I know, there will be no more new 3G devices brought out. At least this year.

adrynalyne said:
With the addiiton of LTE devices, they brought in the SIMs as well.
Their EvDo devices are simless, but as far as I know, there will be no more new 3G devices brought out. At least this year.
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Ahh, gotcha.
I'll butt out now, I thought my thoughts were still relevant in this discussion

adrynalyne said:
Not disagreeing that shared plans suck, but the shared plan and fee go together. It isn't enforced on other plans.
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Yeah I forgot about that. I haven't looked at the new pricing at all, just read articles about it. Do you by chance know if the shared plans are cheaper overall for say a family of 4 with smartphones on the shared plan vs an old plan where they all have like 30 per month individual data plans? Seems to me like it wouldn't be much of a stretch for a carrier to pull some BS like that nowadays. Haha.
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If for some reason vzw doesn't get another Nexus, I'm outta here!

tgyberg said:
If for some reason vzw doesn't get another Nexus, I'm outta here!
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I don't see Verizon getting the nexus again...