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Hi, I have been looking at getting a TP2 in the UK but they seem to be gold dust at the moment (as evident by a few other posters here complaining that T-Mobile and O2 are currently not stocking the phone due to "similarity with iPhone, N97, etc".). Anyway I am thinking of buying it on eBay and as I might be heading to the states soon, I was thinking of getting the TP2 in the US, unlocked. But I am not sure if the networks are compatible for use on O2 network in the UK. Apologies in advance for the ingorance...! Any advice would be helpful. Cheers.
Go Vodafone. Far better customer service than o2. Was a loyal o2 customer for about 5 years and was sick of not being able to understand indian accents on customer support. Gave up went to vodafone, got TP2. Profit.
As for the bands I am unsure. Just my input about netwroks. Sorry if it wasnt what you wanted.
I believe that that T-Mobile US version is compatible and the AT&T Version (which isn't out yet) definitely is. None of the US versions have front cameras, though. You will also need to find someone with AT&T that will request the unlock code for you (unless you find it unlocked on eBay).
Thanks for your quick response!
I tried going via Vodafone but the TP2 is currently only available to business customers. And because I have only moved house last month they rejected my application (didn't pass their credit check, apparently, despite having not missed a single credit payment, ever, in my life...). They did say I can apply again in 3 months, but I don't think I can wait that long, as I've been eye-ing the TP2 for like 3 months, waiting for my O2 contract to end!
I hear that the TP2 in the states are getting a regular 3mm plug for audio, which is a plus, but loses the front camera... hmm, trade offs! But at the risk of them incompatibility... perhaps a UK version is in order...
http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/
there you go
yep go to MPD get a unlocked unbranded with a voda contract thats what i did £25 for the phone and 750 mins 250 text unlimited internet for £33 a month
Thirding MPD, 25 quid contract 18 months + web and walk.
Paid £50 for the phone. This gets a pristine unlocked oem phone which can be invaluable later on when the roms etc start coming out!
As far as the bands go- Im pretty sure you will be fine- if you have a look at this list:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/com...[0]=3478&phones[1]=2879&phones[2]=1590&area=2
It compares the Euro TP2 with the US touch pro and a sidekick (which should give a fair indication of what bands are used)
This site gives the bands and coverage for a load of networks over the pond so you should be able to check if you will get service:
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml
The Tmobile US version will work with 2G in Europe but not 3G.
The Sprint, Verizon, and Telus ones will work with 2G and 3G. Though I don't know if you need to unlock it or not...
solsearch said:
The Tmobile US version will work with 2G in Europe but not 3G.
The Sprint, Verizon, and Telus ones will work with 2G and 3G. Though I don't know if you need to unlock it or not...
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Thanks that is very helpful. I think I will follow the advice of others and go with MPD for a new contract. Thanks again everyone! I cant wait to get my hands on the TP2.
If you are calling them, persist in re-dialing - don't bother leaving a message - it's worth it.
I dealt with Lucy - excellent service.
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Hi, I have been looking at getting a TP2 in the UK but they seem to be gold dust at the moment (as evident by a few other posters here complaining that T-Mobile and O2 are currently not stocking the phone due to "similarity with iPhone, N97, etc".). Anyway I am thinking of buying it on eBay and as I might be heading to the states soon, I was thinking of getting the TP2 in the US, unlocked. But I am not sure if the networks are compatible for use on O2 network in the UK. Apologies in advance for the ingorance...! Any advice would be helpful. Cheers.
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When and where are you coming to the US? I have Euro version of phone and live in the US. If you buy US version you can not use 3G in ohter parts of the world. Same for Euro 3G can not be used in States. Maybe you can get US 3G version and then we can trade
If you come to New York City you can buy from store....mobilecityonline.com or at their actual store.
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When and where are you coming to the US? I have Euro version of phone and live in the US. If you buy US version you can not use 3G in ohter parts of the world. Same for Euro 3G can not be used in States. Maybe you can get US 3G version and then we can trade
If you come to New York City you can buy from store....mobilecityonline.com or at their actual store.
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AT&T's HTC phones with 3G all have 2100MHz, I am sure the Tile 2 (Touch Pro 2 for AT&T) will also. This means it will work with European 3G as well as AT&T 3G.
I don't know about the AT&T version working in Europe. According to statements here and elsewhere the AT&T band, despite being classified as 2100mhz is slightly different from the rest of the world's 2100mhz bands, making it incompatible with them (I can't testify to this, it's just what I've read).
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I don't know about the AT&T version working in Europe. According to statements here and elsewhere the AT&T band, despite being classified as 2100mhz is slightly different from the rest of the world's 2100mhz bands, making it incompatible with them (I can't testify to this, it's just what I've read).
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Thats the T-Mobile version with the different 2100MHz. It has 1700MHz and 2100MHz, one for download and one for uplink. The European 2100MHz is 2100MHz for both downlink and uplink. The 2100MHz included on AT&T handsets is the European 2100MHz and not the T-Mobile version (which is referred to as 1700MHz to get around confusion).
The T-Mobile version's specifications list 1700MHz/2100MHz. I do not know if they are referring only to their bands where one is downlink and one is uplink or if they mean 1700MHz (1700MHz/2100MHz) AND European 2100MHz. I would bet that it includes European 3G but I am not positive.
Sorry, my bad. I get those companies mixed up
Yes I have been worried about the whole slightly different band and therefore it may or may not work in Europe!
I am having trouble with phone contracts at the moment because I have just moved home so my credit rating is completely annhilated and it just takes too long for the credit company to sort it out. In the end I have used eBay and bought a Vodafone branded TP2. I am sticking with O2 simplicity SIM at the moment as a rolling 30 day contract. I've not had too much trouble with O2 customer service, I always seem to get non-Indian, English speaking folks, but retention line was unprepared to make any offer at all which baffled me!
Anyway, onto the exciting (and somewhat scary prospect!) of getting to grips with Hard SPL and custom Roms!
PS, sorry At0mAng I got your message too late! I was thinking of California.
Does anyone know where i can buy a Tilt2 here in Canada? I want the Tilt2 because it'll give me 3G speed on rogers whereas the TP2 from the UK won't
thanks
-j
There are Tilt 2s on eBay now.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170394416368
Funny you can buy it on eBay before you can from AT&T...
make sure it is a t7381
that is the Australian model that supports Rogers 3G, HSPA
the north american ones do not, they are 7373 i believe
it needs to work on gprs 850 for use with rogers, otherwise all you get is edge
look for the australian telstra phones on ebay, i got mine from personal digital
enilkciw,
thanks for the ebay link.
goodpill,
thanks for that critical piece of info.
I actually own a HTC TP2 (purchased from the UK) and I'll i get is Edge speeds (just like you said). I'm looking to replace the one I have with one that supports 3G speeds (including simultaneous voice and data connectivity).
I assumed that since Rogers & AT&T share a common network that buying a Tilt2 would work on Rogers. Obviously i need to do much more research before buying a replacement.
-j
johnmclean said:
enilkciw,
thanks for the ebay link.
goodpill,
thanks for that critical piece of info.
I actually own a HTC TP2 (purchased from the UK) and I'll i get is Edge speeds (just like you said). I'm looking to replace the one I have with one that supports 3G speeds (including simultaneous voice and data connectivity).
I assumed that since Rogers & AT&T share a common network that buying a Tilt2 would work on Rogers. Obviously i need to do much more research before buying a replacement.
-j
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the tilt2 will work on rogers 3G because the tilt2 has 850/1900/2100 3G bands
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the tilt2 will work on rogers 3G because the tilt2 has 850/1900/2100 3G bands
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this seems to be the case, although you don't get the front camera (you do get a big ATT logo instead!)... i am sure there are other differences but as mentioned for rogers you need 850 umts for 3G
good news for you is prices are already cheaper than a month ago when i bought mine
Ya u get a few at&t logos and have to deal with the keyboard. Software wise i dont care because i've already flashed a cooked rom, so all is good. I would definitely prefer an unbranded device but 3g and price are quite important to me
thanks for all the feedback. i also noticed TILT2s for sale on expansys.ca. I've used them before and know that they're reliable (in case anyone was wondering).
-j
Pacific Mall
If you are in the Toronto area, you can also check out Pacific Mall. Caution, some of their vendors are questionable.
I bought the T-Mobile version, and I can not afford a data plan, so I'm good as far as 3G is concerned.
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If you are in the Toronto area, you can also check out Pacific Mall. Caution, some of their vendors are questionable.
I bought the T-Mobile version, and I can not afford a data plan, so I'm good as far as 3G is concerned.
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ya but 3G is not for data only. you'll also get better reception and voice quality. even if your not using data you want 3G. there are a few places down here (florida) where i would get no reception with an edge phone, but i'll get 3g reception
I have a pre order that is supposed to ship on Wednesday but now after reading about the issue with the volume turning down on its own and that it might be a hardware problem it really scares me to keep my pre order since i am in canada and it would probably be a pain in the a$$ if samsung/google issued a recall.
What would you guys do?
Thanks
Kris
so far it looks like it is only affecting users that have SIM cards that use the 900MHz frequency band, so if you are with any of the following:
O2
Vodafone
giffgaff
Tesco Mobile
or any network that piggybacks on O2 or Vodafone frequencies
then you will have an issue.
if you're on Orange, 3 or T-Mobile, you should be fine.
Like i said i am in canada so i won't be using any of those, i will be using bell mobility and i am not sure what bands they use.
It should be OK then on Telstra's 850MHz NextG network. I'm not cancelling my order. Worst case scenario is selling it unopened on ebay if issue not solved within a week.
atomic_dude said:
It should be OK then on Telstra's 850MHz NextG network. I'm not cancelling my order. Worst case scenario is selling it unopened on ebay if issue not solved within a week.
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And on eBay you will probably make a profit
@OP...Also, you have to understand while reading forum sites, you are most likely to hear more complaints and issues than the "everythings great" thread. Im importing too, but no matter who, where and when you order there will always be a risk. Think positive and just enjoy your GN, dont be scared!
If you're in Canada, why not just wait a couple weeks and get it locally?
They're going to be selling a HSPA+ version in Canada.. Bell and Rogers are both going to get it..
http://www.intomobile.com/2011/11/14/bell-confirms-samsung-galaxy-nexus-early-december-release/
That way you'll be able to return it locally if you encounter a problem.
I certainly understand being impatient, but in your case it has already been announced for your carrier and should be available in the next 2-3 weeks..
Just something to think about.
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It should be OK then on Telstra's 850MHz NextG network. I'm not cancelling my order. Worst case scenario is selling it unopened on ebay if issue not solved within a week.
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Next G is 850 MHz but Telstra's 2G is 900 MHz (and also 1800 MHz but that is being phased out).
Next G coverage is pretty good but if you find yourself in an area with poor coverage you may drop back to 2G 900 MHz and get hit by SAV.
yup it only looks like it affects 900mhz. Im on fido which only uses 850 and 1900 so should be good!!!
Bummer, I just cancelled my Amazon pre-order for Handtec and changed from T-Mobile to GiffGaff...
I thought people in the US looking to use the One X will love this, and I hope this will answer people's question regarding phone compatibility on T-Mo USA.
Today we have more than one million unlocked iPhones running on our network. T-Mobile currently offers microSIMs for customers who already have a GSM phone they want to use on the T-Mobile network, including an iPhone. In order to set up an unlocked iPhone on T-Mobile’s network, customers simply need to purchase a microSIM card and select a T-Mobile Value plan that suits their needs.
T-Mobile’s Value plans enable customers who bring their own smartphone, such as the iPhone, to save money. For example, T-Mobile’s Value family plan with unlimited talk, unlimited text and unlimited data with 2 GB of high-speed data is just $49.99 per line for two lines.
In addition, we will continue to deliver more value to customers as we expand and modernize our 4G network. Beginning this year, we will introduce HSPA+ service in our 1900 MHz PCS spectrum. When we do, our 4G network will be compatible with a broader range of devices, including the iPhone.
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this is actually good news for some people! I'm lucky enough to live in an area where the 1900MHz frequency is in used
Thank you for posting. This quote from the press release had many T Mo USA customers like me very excited of the possibilities. I import lots of cellys and only recently began to really focus on the appropriate 3g bands on my carrier as I simply cannot put up with 2g at alll.
I am very close to saying goodbye to my Sensation XE in favor of the One X....
Sadly, Boston Ma is still operating Edge/2g data from the 1900 band
What frequency does Tmobiles 2G/Edge service use? That's all that's available in my town
I think the 2G/Edge is 850/1900?
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What frequency does Tmobiles 2G/Edge service use? That's all that's available in my town
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I think the 2G/Edge is 850/1900?
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Yup.
So will the one x work with T-Mobile hspa+
Sent from a guy living in a van down by the river
This is good news - IF we can get confirmation where they have actually rolled out the update.
Also, I wonder whether this phone can get a radio upgrade to enabled AWS on 1700? I know some Samsung devices (like the Note) can get flashed to add the band, would this be possible on the One X?
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This is good news - IF we can get confirmation where they have actually rolled out the update.
Also, I wonder whether this phone can get a radio upgrade to enabled AWS on 1700? I know some Samsung devices (like the Note) can get flashed to add the band, would this be possible on the One X?
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The AT&T version will have the AWS and 2100 band on it so my hope is we will be able to swap the radio/modem with the One XL and get the bigger internal SD and built-in radio........crossing fingers!!!!
I don't believe that will be possible. There have been instances where a phone has landed on multiple carriers with certain bands disabled, however in this case, HTC has released separate architecture for the US/AT&T variant and so it's not like the 1700 AWS band is included in the LTE version and simply software disabled.
I did see that AT&T's version has the same exact radios as T Mobile's Amaze 4g (same AWS bands) so it will be interesting to see the phone itself can simply be unlocked and used with T Mo without flashing.
One last thing, T Mo has confirmed the refarming/reframing of their 1900 bands from 2g into 3g, it will only be a matter of time before we see the full deployment of 3g via 1900 band. Both phones may end up in the same price range (unless purchasing an AT&T model used) and so I'd rather have the unbranded 32 gig version.
The only thing is how long will you wait and be stuck on 2G until the refarm hits your area. Right now it's a slow roll out since most time is being spent on the LTE 2013 launch.
I do a lot of data things while i'm out and about, so EDGE speeds would kill me. I'm thinking now of just waiting to see what the SGS3 has to offer or the LG Optimous 4HD. I don't want to speed almost $700 for a phone i can't use data on.
If an unlock would open the AWS band for use on T-Mobile on the AT&T version then we could be able to flash the international version that has the S4 chip with the AT&T radio.
We'll see, since right now all we can do is hopeful speculation.
Same boat I was on when I imported my Desire HD. I was stuck on Edge until I got to my home or office. For most apps I utilize, it was not such a big deal, however YouTube and a few others was pure torture on just 2g.
I was so close to ordering a One X too... I'll keep my XE a little while longer though. I'm really not at all impressed with the One S. The One X is def my choice.
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The only thing is how long will you wait and be stuck on 2G until the refarm hits your area. Right now it's a slow roll out since most time is being spent on the LTE 2013 launch.
I do a lot of data things while i'm out and about, so EDGE speeds would kill me. I'm thinking now of just waiting to see what the SGS3 has to offer or the LG Optimous 4HD. I don't want to speed almost $700 for a phone i can't use data on.
If an unlock would open the AWS band for use on T-Mobile on the AT&T version then we could be able to flash the international version that has the S4 chip with the AT&T radio.
We'll see, since right now all we can do is hopeful speculation.
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If previous trends continue, the international SGSIII won't have T-Mobile bands either :/
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If previous trends continue, the international SGSIII won't have T-Mobile bands either :/
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LOL!!!! I was thinking that too but i actually think that due to the LTE rollout the end of the year and beginning of next year will be awesome for T-Mobile. I know the G4X and the SGS3 has to be on T-Mobile, it's their best phone. I actually think that the next big windows phone will be something HTC and be on T-Mobile also. Also, I heard a lil hint from the Samsung rep of a T-Mobile Note. Guess we'll have to wait for CITA to see.
And a few years back you would have laffed at me but dude, the Huawei Ascend D is coming to T-Mobile and from rumors the processor kills all.........so lets be slightly optimistic hahahahahah
Not sure how helpful this is in clarifying anything, but there's a new post about this today at the T-Mobile forums.
http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/21487?start=30&tstart=0
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I don't believe that will be possible. There have been instances where a phone has landed on multiple carriers with certain bands disabled, however in this case, HTC has released separate architecture for the US/AT&T variant and so it's not like the 1700 AWS band is included in the LTE version and simply software disabled.
I did see that AT&T's version has the same exact radios as T Mobile's Amaze 4g (same AWS bands) so it will be interesting to see the phone itself can simply be unlocked and used with T Mo without flashing.
One last thing, T Mo has confirmed the refarming/reframing of their 1900 bands from 2g into 3g, it will only be a matter of time before we see the full deployment of 3g via 1900 band. Both phones may end up in the same price range (unless purchasing an AT&T model used) and so I'd rather have the unbranded 32 gig version.
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It's just reiterating what they've said before. The question still remains as to what the timing and geography will be. I'd imagine it'll be great for people in major markets where T-Mobile will focus the majority of their energy. But people who travel a lot, especially to secondary and tertiary markets, may have a long wait until T-Mobile's 1900Mhz coverage is everywhere. It's better than nothing but still a long ways from being competitive.
"Select areas of Washington State, California, Nevada and Arizona are currently the only places with refarmed spectrum. Users in those affected areas are reporting reliable, HSPA+, 4G level speeds on their iPhones within the currently, largely undocumented, coverage area.
According to my source, it is anticipated that by as early as October of this year that T-Mobile will have their spectrum refarming efforts completed. At that point, T-Mobile's network will support all quad-band GSM/UMTS banded handsets, including Apple's iPhone."
http://www.informationweek.com/byte/news/personal-tech/smart-phones/240000527
Yeah, Its going to be a while. I think there are a few places in Cali somewhere that they have done this already. By the time they finish this a good majority of us will probably be on a different phone so it doesnt really do anything for us.
I was with t-mobile until I Purchased the One X international and moved to straight talk. I will probably move back to T-mobile once they finish this and plan on buying unlocked phones from now on.
Being on AT&Ts network in Downtown Chicago Sucks ass. Although when Im downtown Im usually on wifi at work so its not a huge deal. Still annoying though.
so if I were to get a One X now which one should I buy for it to work with 4g when t-mobile refarms the 1900 band? ATT or International?
AT&T's One X and the international One X will both give you 2g/Edge data for the time being.
Considering T Mobile USA is reframing 3G & HSPA+ traffic to 1900 MHz (currently utilized by T Mobile USA exclusive for 2g), both are solid options as at some point later this year, both will be receiving 3g data. However, AT&T's One X will have to be unlocked in order for you to use it with T Mobile whereas the international One X is already unlocked.
Remember, both devices are not identical. The international One X has a QUAD core Tegra 3 processor vs AT&T's DUAL core Snapdragon and the international One X has 32 Gigs of internal vs AT&T's 16
I'm thinking of buying a lumia 900 and going with StraightTalk plan but instead of getting the LTE version, i'm thinking of getting the hspa+ version, would it still work with straighttalk? I figure what's the use of having the lte version when I won't be able to use it, you know?
jellobobbu said:
I'm thinking of buying a lumia 900 and going with StraightTalk plan but instead of getting the LTE version, i'm thinking of getting the hspa+ version, would it still work with straighttalk? I figure what's the use of having the lte version when I won't be able to use it, you know?
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It seems that's the way I'll go too. LTE is overrated, when you only use the phone for browsing, not tethering multiple computers.
Coverage and battery are an issue with LTE, while with the HSPA+ version, available in Europe, you may have better standby times.*
Also, and not the less important thing, you may have a fully unlocked and fully unbranded HSPA+ phone, while the LTE version seems to be pretty hard, if not impossible, to find unbranded.
On the HSPA+ version, tethering should work on any provider (if unlocked/unbranded).*
* those are not facts but it seems that would be the way it is. No official confirmation from a legit tester...
LTE = RM-808
HSPA+ = RM-823
supposibly you can toggle LTE and 3G now...... info from here
The AT&T version comes with HSPA+ 21 mbps already. No need to buy the international version. Just make sure you get the "AT&T" sim from Straight Talk and you'll be fine.
I am already with Straight Talk with my DVP on the "T-Mo" side but I am considering purchasing an AT&T Lumia 900 and getting a Straight Talk "AT&T" sim. You won't get LTE but HSPA+ 21 is plenty fast for me.
There's 42Mbps HSPA+ for the non LTE version..
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There's 42Mbps HSPA+ for the non LTE version..
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AT&T's network does not support 42mbps HSPA+. You're throwing your money away if you get the international version. Brand new AT&T Lumia 900's are going for $300 - $350 on eBay. If you use a Straight Talk "AT&T" sim, you wouldn't even have to sim unlock the device.