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Buying TP2 from US to use in UK?

Hi, I have been looking at getting a TP2 in the UK but they seem to be gold dust at the moment (as evident by a few other posters here complaining that T-Mobile and O2 are currently not stocking the phone due to "similarity with iPhone, N97, etc".). Anyway I am thinking of buying it on eBay and as I might be heading to the states soon, I was thinking of getting the TP2 in the US, unlocked. But I am not sure if the networks are compatible for use on O2 network in the UK. Apologies in advance for the ingorance...! Any advice would be helpful. Cheers.

Go Vodafone. Far better customer service than o2. Was a loyal o2 customer for about 5 years and was sick of not being able to understand indian accents on customer support. Gave up went to vodafone, got TP2. Profit.
As for the bands I am unsure. Just my input about netwroks. Sorry if it wasnt what you wanted.

I believe that that T-Mobile US version is compatible and the AT&T Version (which isn't out yet) definitely is. None of the US versions have front cameras, though. You will also need to find someone with AT&T that will request the unlock code for you (unless you find it unlocked on eBay).

Thanks for your quick response!
I tried going via Vodafone but the TP2 is currently only available to business customers. And because I have only moved house last month they rejected my application (didn't pass their credit check, apparently, despite having not missed a single credit payment, ever, in my life...). They did say I can apply again in 3 months, but I don't think I can wait that long, as I've been eye-ing the TP2 for like 3 months, waiting for my O2 contract to end!
I hear that the TP2 in the states are getting a regular 3mm plug for audio, which is a plus, but loses the front camera... hmm, trade offs! But at the risk of them incompatibility... perhaps a UK version is in order...

http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/
there you go

yep go to MPD get a unlocked unbranded with a voda contract thats what i did £25 for the phone and 750 mins 250 text unlimited internet for £33 a month

Thirding MPD, 25 quid contract 18 months + web and walk.
Paid £50 for the phone. This gets a pristine unlocked oem phone which can be invaluable later on when the roms etc start coming out!
As far as the bands go- Im pretty sure you will be fine- if you have a look at this list:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/com...[0]=3478&phones[1]=2879&phones[2]=1590&area=2
It compares the Euro TP2 with the US touch pro and a sidekick (which should give a fair indication of what bands are used)
This site gives the bands and coverage for a load of networks over the pond so you should be able to check if you will get service:
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml

The Tmobile US version will work with 2G in Europe but not 3G.
The Sprint, Verizon, and Telus ones will work with 2G and 3G. Though I don't know if you need to unlock it or not...

solsearch said:
The Tmobile US version will work with 2G in Europe but not 3G.
The Sprint, Verizon, and Telus ones will work with 2G and 3G. Though I don't know if you need to unlock it or not...
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Thanks that is very helpful. I think I will follow the advice of others and go with MPD for a new contract. Thanks again everyone! I cant wait to get my hands on the TP2.

If you are calling them, persist in re-dialing - don't bother leaving a message - it's worth it.
I dealt with Lucy - excellent service.

CuteCutie said:
Hi, I have been looking at getting a TP2 in the UK but they seem to be gold dust at the moment (as evident by a few other posters here complaining that T-Mobile and O2 are currently not stocking the phone due to "similarity with iPhone, N97, etc".). Anyway I am thinking of buying it on eBay and as I might be heading to the states soon, I was thinking of getting the TP2 in the US, unlocked. But I am not sure if the networks are compatible for use on O2 network in the UK. Apologies in advance for the ingorance...! Any advice would be helpful. Cheers.
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When and where are you coming to the US? I have Euro version of phone and live in the US. If you buy US version you can not use 3G in ohter parts of the world. Same for Euro 3G can not be used in States. Maybe you can get US 3G version and then we can trade
If you come to New York City you can buy from store....mobilecityonline.com or at their actual store.

At0mAng said:
When and where are you coming to the US? I have Euro version of phone and live in the US. If you buy US version you can not use 3G in ohter parts of the world. Same for Euro 3G can not be used in States. Maybe you can get US 3G version and then we can trade
If you come to New York City you can buy from store....mobilecityonline.com or at their actual store.
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AT&T's HTC phones with 3G all have 2100MHz, I am sure the Tile 2 (Touch Pro 2 for AT&T) will also. This means it will work with European 3G as well as AT&T 3G.

I don't know about the AT&T version working in Europe. According to statements here and elsewhere the AT&T band, despite being classified as 2100mhz is slightly different from the rest of the world's 2100mhz bands, making it incompatible with them (I can't testify to this, it's just what I've read).

solsearch said:
I don't know about the AT&T version working in Europe. According to statements here and elsewhere the AT&T band, despite being classified as 2100mhz is slightly different from the rest of the world's 2100mhz bands, making it incompatible with them (I can't testify to this, it's just what I've read).
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Thats the T-Mobile version with the different 2100MHz. It has 1700MHz and 2100MHz, one for download and one for uplink. The European 2100MHz is 2100MHz for both downlink and uplink. The 2100MHz included on AT&T handsets is the European 2100MHz and not the T-Mobile version (which is referred to as 1700MHz to get around confusion).
The T-Mobile version's specifications list 1700MHz/2100MHz. I do not know if they are referring only to their bands where one is downlink and one is uplink or if they mean 1700MHz (1700MHz/2100MHz) AND European 2100MHz. I would bet that it includes European 3G but I am not positive.

Sorry, my bad. I get those companies mixed up

Yes I have been worried about the whole slightly different band and therefore it may or may not work in Europe!
I am having trouble with phone contracts at the moment because I have just moved home so my credit rating is completely annhilated and it just takes too long for the credit company to sort it out. In the end I have used eBay and bought a Vodafone branded TP2. I am sticking with O2 simplicity SIM at the moment as a rolling 30 day contract. I've not had too much trouble with O2 customer service, I always seem to get non-Indian, English speaking folks, but retention line was unprepared to make any offer at all which baffled me!
Anyway, onto the exciting (and somewhat scary prospect!) of getting to grips with Hard SPL and custom Roms!
PS, sorry At0mAng I got your message too late! I was thinking of California.

is 850 only for edge or can it be for 3g too

I ask this question because att just put up new 850 mhz in my town and the press release says something about faster 3g speeds so im confused. If I buy a unbranded euro tp2 then would i get 3g?

ryj01 said:
I ask this question because att just put up new 850 mhz in my town and the press release says something about faster 3g speeds so im confused. If I buy a unbranded euro tp2 then would i get 3g?
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No, you will only get edge. You either have to wait for AT&T to come out with it or import the Telstra (Aussie) version of the TP2. The Telstra has the 850 mhz 3G frequency in it but not the 1900 mhz 3G frequency that AT&T uses in a few large markets. Chicago, NY, San Fran... To have absolute full coverage of AT&T's 3G network you should wait for their (AT&T's) unit otherwise the Telstra version will work on 95%+ of AT&T's 3G network. By the end of the year all of AT&T's 3G network is supposed to be converted to the 850 mhz frequency. Hopefully that is not too confusing.
One last side note, the Aussie version is very expensive $650+ to import, if you believe what people are saying the AT&T no-contract version should retail under $500 before tax and might be cheaper.
I did import the Aussie Touch HD for the same reason, US 3G and it works great but I did have to pay a high price for it. Over $800 at the time and even after six months you are hard pressed to find one under $600 for a new one shipped.

Yup some of them are available on ebay right now.
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-HTC-TOUCH-P...7abd2042f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#ht_2398wt_1165
Still, I think I will get a paintball gun first lol

x5-rwk said:
No, you will only get edge. You either have to wait for AT&T to come out with it or import the Telstra (Aussie) version of the TP2. The Telstra has the 850 mhz 3G frequency in it but not the 1900 mhz 3G frequency that AT&T uses in a few large markets. Chicago, NY, San Fran... To have absolute full coverage of AT&T's 3G network you should wait for their (AT&T's) unit otherwise the Telstra version will work on 95%+ of AT&T's 3G network. By the end of the year all of AT&T's 3G network is supposed to be converted to the 850 mhz frequency. Hopefully that is not too confusing.
One last side note, the Aussie version is very expensive $650+ to import, if you believe what people are saying the AT&T no-contract version should retail under $500 before tax and might be cheaper.
I did import the Aussie Touch HD for the same reason, US 3G and it works great but I did have to pay a high price for it. Over $800 at the time and even after six months you are hard pressed to find one under $600 for a new one shipped.
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Okay,Thanks
I'm conflicted because of Att new data plan that forces customers to pay $30 for data. I just cant see myself paying $60 for mobile internet between my wifes iphone and my tp2 since I have wifi at work and home. I was thinking of buying ATT for retail price but in the att forums there is confusing info because some say att can see what phone you have and bill you for thier data plan even if you buy it retail. So I was thinking of buying an unlocked unbranded one or the aussie one to save me the money in the long run $720 on a 2 year contract

Does HTC Touch Pro2 support 3G in USA?

Hello
I'd like to buy HTC Touch Pro2 (unlocked version), but I heard that it doesn't support 3G in USA? is that right? and why?
Will they release an unlocked version supports 3G in USA?
Does it support 3G in Asia and Europe?
What's exactly the differences between 2G and 3G?
P.S. I have an AT&T SIM card.
I know my questions are many but I'm so confused.
I'll be so appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

HNH992 said:
Hello
I'd like to buy HTC Touch Pro2 (unlocked version), but I heard that it doesn't support 3G in USA? is that right? and why?
Will they release an unlocked version supports 3G in USA?
Does it support 3G in Asia and Europe?
What's exactly the differences between 2G and 3G?
P.S. I have an AT&T SIM card.
I know my questions are many but I'm so confused.
I'll be so appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
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If by "unlocked" you mean the original/intenational version, then no, it won't connect to 3G in the USA. The radio frequency of the hardware is wrong, and since it is hardware it can't be fixed by a software tweak. I think it's fine on 3G in Europe and maybe Asia (but I'm not an expert). There's lots of info out there if you look.
It will work fine on GSM (T-Mobile/ATT, for example) 2/2.5 bands in the USA and most/lots/all of Europe, Asia, etc.
To use ATT 3G you will need an ATT-branded TP2.
Basically, 3G is faster -- faster data transmission -- than 2G. Both terms refer to data speeds ranges, not specific technologies.

You should look at the Australian Telstra Touch Pro 2 T7381 it has been reported to work on ATT US and Rogers/FIDO Canada.

Why not wait one more week and it will be available in the USA from ATT. I give it then about 2 days before they start to show up on Ebay. These phones will be guaranteed to work on the North American frequencies.
That will be my strategy.

Thanks very much guys for replying
What's ATT-branded TP2?
What about HTC HD? does it have the same issue?

InRBigness said:
Why not wait one more week and it will be available in the USA from ATT. I give it then about 2 days before they start to show up on Ebay. These phones will be guaranteed to work on the North American frequencies.
That will be my strategy.
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Did ATT report that they will release HTC Touch Pro2? and how soon?
What about this one?
http://cgi.ebay.com/BRAND-NEW-UNLOC...ZViewItemQQptZCell_Phones?hash=item2ea5b059bc

I'm confused...Isn't ATT Tilt 2 the Touch Pro 2?

aragorn771 said:
I'm confused...Isn't ATT Tilt 2 the Touch Pro 2?
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Yes, it's.

If you want one that specifically supports 3G in the US, your choices are the AT&T Tilt 2, or the T-Mobile Touch Pro 2.
In the US, the 3G bands unfortunately are different than the rest of the world:
Europe/Asia 3G : 2100
USA (AT&T) 3G: 850/1900
USA (TMo) 3G: 1700/2100 -- TMO uses one for up and the other for down, so you can't use a Euro/Asian 3G phone and get full speed on USA TMO
But the nice thing is that the 2 US carrier phones also throw in 2100 on the TP2, so it'll work overseas as well.
I hope that helps.

pinoymutt said:
If you want one that specifically supports 3G in the US, your choices are the AT&T Tilt 2, or the T-Mobile Touch Pro 2.
In the US, the 3G bands unfortunately are different than the rest of the world:
Europe/Asia 3G : 2100
USA (AT&T) 3G: 850/1900
USA (TMo) 3G: 1700/2100 -- TMO uses one for up and the other for down, so you can't use a Euro/Asian 3G phone and get full speed on USA TMO
But the nice thing is that the 2 US carrier phones also throw in 2100 on the TP2, so it'll work overseas as well.
I hope that helps.
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Yo PinoyMutt, help a fellow Filipino out here
I have an Unlocked TMo Branded Touch Pro 2 and am currently using it on AT&T.
Are there any settings I need to input in order to get 3G? For whatever reason, I'm only getting EDGE (or at least that's the icon I receive on the winmo taskbar).
Thanks!
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Wow... did I just see the AT&T is on 850/1900? Wow... I think I may be selling my TP2 now...

pinoymutt said:
If you want one that specifically supports 3G in the US, your choices are the AT&T Tilt 2, or the T-Mobile Touch Pro 2.
In the US, the 3G bands unfortunately are different than the rest of the world:
Europe/Asia 3G : 2100
USA (AT&T) 3G: 850/1900
USA (TMo) 3G: 1700/2100 -- TMO uses one for up and the other for down, so you can't use a Euro/Asian 3G phone and get full speed on USA TMO
But the nice thing is that the 2 US carrier phones also throw in 2100 on the TP2, so it'll work overseas as well.
I hope that helps.
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so if i buy Tmobile TP2 or AT&T Tilt2 ... i can use it here in UK 3G? (video call)
Im sick of this iphone 3g!

raffstyle said:
so if i buy Tmobile TP2 or AT&T Tilt2 ... i can use it here in UK 3G? (video call)
Im sick of this iphone 3g!
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Video call partly works if you have the dialer that supports video call. I have a Tilt with video call dialer. When I went to Hong Kong I was able to use video call but only for receiving the video, not sending.

3GPocketPC4Me said:
Yo PinoyMutt, help a fellow Filipino out here
I have an Unlocked TMo Branded Touch Pro 2 and am currently using it on AT&T.
Are there any settings I need to input in order to get 3G? For whatever reason, I'm only getting EDGE (or at least that's the icon I receive on the winmo taskbar).
Thanks!
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Wow... did I just see the AT&T is on 850/1900? Wow... I think I may be selling my TP2 now...
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Unfortunately it's a hardware thing. The TMO ones specifically have hardware for 1700/2100 3G, so software tweaks won't do a thing on AT&T. Sorry!

raffstyle said:
so if i buy Tmobile TP2 or AT&T Tilt2 ... i can use it here in UK 3G? (video call)
Im sick of this iphone 3g!
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cproaudio said:
Video call partly works if you have the dialer that supports video call. I have a Tilt with video call dialer. When I went to Hong Kong I was able to use video call but only for receiving the video, not sending.
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From a speed/band perspective, I believe the US versions work fine on the UK 2100 bands. However, as mentioned before there are 2 other items:
(1) the dialer has to support it (which it looks like you can obtain) so that's ok on a software end; BUT
(2) The US versions of the phone don't have the front camera in the upper right hand corner. Since US carriers really haven't gotten around to promoting 3G and video calling, most US carrier phones don't have the front camera needed for video conferencing.
In all, that is a big requirement, I would recommend sticking with an unbranded or at least Euro-carrier unlocked branded TP2.

I see that HTC Touch Pro2 from AT&T is now available in eBay.

I see that HTC Touch Pro2 from AT&T is now available in eBay.

pinoymutt said:
From a speed/band perspective, I believe the US versions work fine on the UK 2100 bands. However, as mentioned before there are 2 other items:
(1) the dialer has to support it (which it looks like you can obtain) so that's ok on a software end; BUT
(2) The US versions of the phone don't have the front camera in the upper right hand corner. Since US carriers really haven't gotten around to promoting 3G and video calling, most US carrier phones don't have the front camera needed for video conferencing.
In all, that is a big requirement, I would recommend sticking with an unbranded or at least Euro-carrier unlocked branded TP2.
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THANKS for the reply... I didnt know that US TP2's dont have front camera. thats suck.. the only reason i want to get the tp2 from US is because i know someone can hook me up with the ETF for less. well im just gonna wait till april for my upgrade.. free phone always makes me happy!

ATT tilt2 vs Telstra TP2

I have both phones, TP2 from Telstra and now a Tilt 2 from ATT, I am on ATT network.
My Telstra running only 850 for 3g gets a much better signal than my ATT tilt 2 running both 850/1900, I have used them side by side and the Telstra always out does the tilt 2.
I have used the same radio with the same cooked ROM on both phones side by side, I have tried different radios in both phones and found radio 4.49.25.17 to work the best in the Telstra and radio 4.47.25.24 (ATT) worked best in the tilt2. I did not dump my shipped radio 4.48 for the tilt2 so I have not been able to test it, does anyone have a copy?
Concussion, is the radio hardware of better quality in the Telstra?

Hi Alwayslearning,
Thanks for that post. I am very torn in what to do, I am seriously contemplating to buy the telstra version because instead the tilt2:
-I like the design much better
-I hope to avoid paying $30 for the internet instead my present $15
-I would buy unsubsidized anyway
but I feared that the 850MHz is not proper 3G coverage without the 1900 band.
Did you ever run into not having 3G with the Telstra where having 3G with the tilt2? Is there any way to find out where is 1900MHz coverage?
What area in CA do you use it in? (I am mainly in LA, CA and Silicon Valley, CA)
Where did you purchase/where would you recommend purchasing the Telstra version?
Thanks very much!

i_z said:
Hi Alwayslearning,
Thanks for that post. I am very torn in what to do, I am seriously contemplating to buy the telstra version because instead the tilt2:
-I like the design much better
-I hope to avoid paying $30 for the internet instead my present $15
-I would buy unsubsidized anyway
but I feared that the 850MHz is not proper 3G coverage without the 1900 band.
Did you ever run into not having 3G with the Telstra where having 3G with the tilt2? Is there any way to find out where is 1900MHz coverage?
What area in CA do you use it in? (I am mainly in LA, CA and Silicon Valley, CA)
Where did you purchase/where would you recommend purchasing the Telstra version?
Thanks very much!
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I am in O.C.I have used my phone all over O.C. and some of LA, I have never run into an area where the ATT tilt 2 had 3g and the Telstra didn't in fact it has happened the other way around. I have had a strong "H" on my Telstra and my tilt 2 had an "E". At work the tilt 2 would go back and forth from "G" to "E" and the Telstra stayed at "H" sometimes it would go to "E". At home the Telstra would be from 2 bars to full bars on "H" and the tilt 2 would have 2 bars sometimes 3.
I got my Telstra from http://personaldigital.com.au. I have decided to make the Telstra my everyday phone.
edit: forgot to tell you I like keyboard of the Telstra better and it has two cameras as ATT now has video sharing it could be useful, I also like the color of the Telstra better as well.

Thank you so much for the info. I am really leaning towards getting the telstra.

I think in Southern California (and maybe NorCal too), AT&T uses mostly 850 because their arrangement with T-Mobile pretty much involved them giving up a lot of the 1900 to TMO a few years ago in this area. I think in other parts of the country it may be different where they rely more on 1900 where they didn't have the roaming sharing agreements with TMO.

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I think in Southern California (and maybe NorCal too), AT&T uses mostly 850 because their arrangement with T-Mobile pretty much involved them giving up a lot of the 1900 to TMO a few years ago in this area. I think in other parts of the country it may be different where they rely more on 1900 where they didn't have the roaming sharing agreements with TMO.
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that helps in understanding the 850/1900 issues. I am wondering if Telstra has a better chip in it for it's radio, that would explain the quality difference

alwayslearning said:
that helps in understanding the 850/1900 issues. I am wondering if Telstra has a better chip in it for it's radio, that would explain the quality difference
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If I were a betting man, I would think the chip is probably the same, but maybe software implementation on the Telstra version is better tweaked.

Hey Always,
Can you take a look at this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=573591 and tell me your findings.
Thanks!

Would be nice to merge threads so one with all model comparatives
Here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=550431

[Q] AT&T Tilt2 on T-Mobile no 3G or HSDPA only Edge

Looked everywhere but have only found a few comments mainly regarding the AT&T network.
I have a AT&T branded Tilt-2 with TP2_Core_Cell_Evo_V3.1_(23127) and am on the T-mobile network.
In my area we have HSDPA and 3G, and my HTC 3G Dash shows those connections and runs from 583K up to 898K.
My Tilt2 on the other hand runs between 36K and a max of 156K (usually its under 50K)
I have tried everything and a ton of different radios and nothing seems to help.
I can't believe I am the only one, and I am sure its in the forum but I havent been able to find it and I have been looking for 2 days now. Does ANYONE know if there is a solution to this or am I stuck with a great looking phone and ROM that is slower than my old HTC Universal.
So I am starting this thread with the keywords in the title to help others find the info/help/cab/settings to fix this issue.
Any help would be appreciated..
Charles

Can I assume from the deafening silence that there is no solution and this would be why I couldn't find anything when I was searching all over the forums.

I thought AT&T and T-mobile use different bands for their 3G...haven't met anyone yet that can switch between these two and get the others' 3G service to work on the phone from the other...only Edge.

Yep, 3G are are different bands and AT&T's unique.
Most likely, hardware limit and T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 version is what you wanted.
However, for my Tilt 2, I use AT&T Prepaid Pay-as-you-go and get full 3G service and for $20 get 30 days of 100MB data at full speed. The Pay-as-you-go offers a $3.00 per day for unlimited calls during 24 hour period when you choose plan.

But the settings on the phone even show the 2100MHZ band and other stuff.. thought quad band phones were useable on all GSM networks. I guess that must mean the phones are but not the data portion of the phone.
So it would seem I have a really nice looking phone thats about as functional as a Windows 7 computer with a 56K dialup modem. Great...
Anyone on AT&T and have a T-mobile Touch Pro2 that they would like to swap with me.

when you talk about gsm (gprs/edge/2g), there are 4 bands and pretty much all devices can work on those. when it comes to umts (3g/hspa encap) thats where proprietary bands come in. word wide you will have the 900 and 2100 bands, att uses the 850 and 1900 bands, and tmobile uses 1700. what bands a phone is capable of running on depends on the baseband hardware in the phone. theres no way to change this without basically swapping the phone out for the carrier branded device.
cdma like sprint and verizon is another monster...

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thought quad band phones were useable on all GSM networks.
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They do, but working and working optimally are 2 different things. You should always buy a phone to work on the network you use regularly, and be happy it works at all on others when you travel.

Live and learn..
I wonder if anyone out there in the community has a TouchPro2 that they got for use on AT&T and would like to swap..?
Charles

Can't get 3G Either
I'm using an unlocked HTC Touch Pro 2 (Euro Version) on T-Mobile and can only get Edge. The funny hting is that T-mobile is stumped on the issue even though they've seen that I'm using an HTC Touch Pro 2, not the branded T-Mo version. I just started looking into hardware differences tonight and will post whatever I find. I'm glad you started the thread.

T-Mobile HSPA bands
Just confirmed my suspicions.
The branded T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 operates on HSPA/WCDMA on the following bands: 1700/2100 MHz.
The HTC Touch Pro 2 (unbranded) operates on HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz.
So, if you want 3G, you need to stick with the T-Mobile branded phone.
Wow...I never thought I'd hear myself saying those words. *sigh* =(

I actually have a t-mobile branded HTC Touch Pro 2 I use on ATT, if you really wanna swap I'm totally down for that. My email is [email protected] shoot me a message and lets work out how to go about this.