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Hi everyone!!
I'm a rooky with this. I'm currently using RUU_Kaiser_HyperDragon_III_BlackStone_WWE_20081203 rom. I'm currently getting Edge service. Is there anyone kind enough to help me or guide me through how to setup my HTC Kaiser 8925 into T-Mobile 3G network? is this possible?
T-Mobile 3g configuration
hey... i have a tilt also and i have unlocked it and am using it with T-Mobile. It is my understanding that the tilt is incapable of operating on the T-Mobile 3g network as AT&T uses the 2100mhz frequency to both upload and download on their data network. T-Mobile uses 1700mhz and 2100mhz frequencies. One of them for uploads and one for downloads. I do not know which is which, but you would need to have both to function on T-Mobile. To the best of my knowledge the latest version of the factory unlocked kaiser has all the frequencies required to function on T-Mobile 3G network. I believe it is the 140 version.
wrong answer. ATT doesn't use the 2100 band at all. Otherwise we wold all be importing phones like crazy. Tmobile has the 2100 band but it slightly off from the european version. There is no way to use Tmobile's 3g on the tilt.
BTW JaceNSteale you should know what your talking about before you start making assumptions as everything you said was incorrect. The only reason this angers me is because hacking these phones has become so easy you might cause someone to brick their device with some bad advice.
thanks for the answer everyone. one other question.
when i reconnect data connection or reboot my phone i do get G service but after few minutes my phone backs to Edge mode again. is there something that i could work with on the hardware part?
EDGE is faster than G which is GPRS. So when you phone boots up its using G then is negotiates a faster speed and starts using E.
Slow >>> Fast >>> Faster
GPRS(G) >>> EDGE(E) >>> 3G
Tilt AT&T to T Mobile
I paid cash for my Tilt and have had a contract with AT&T for 3 years, so I called and they gave me my unlock code with instructions to unlock my Tilt. It was a breeze.
I changed to Tmobile this week, and thought I did all my research......................but I can't get anything faster than Edge. This is very dissappointing!!!!! .... I use my phone as a tether to my Laptop.
From reading this post, looks like I'm stuck.
Question? .... If I got an unlocked Iphone, is there a way to unlock it so I can tether with it? ... and would it get 3g or HSPA.
The sad sad things is, I was using Kaiser Tweak with AT&T, and I was getting HSPA speed with internet. Amazing really .... so going down to Edge is like taking an inch on my privates. ha ha
any idea if i change my radio version on TP2 by installing AT&T or T-Mobile it could works the 3G on it?? i have TP2 EURO Version witch is runing on Edge Speed Network.
Its highly unlikely. The only reason i'm not gonna say a definitive no is because of the rumored world tp2. Now if its anything like the last like 3-4 HTC phones the antenna for the USA 3G bands is not installed in the device so u can do all the software u want but it won't change the fact that u won't get 3G
not gonna work, there's nothing u can do. This has been addressed many times, just search.
to bad as a good phone like tp2 does not support North American 3G
maybe i should sell it because this phone one of the best in market for now and the made it in very hight quality brand but no 3G it means no internet on it 2 bad.
NorthAmerican 3G Network on TP2 ?? ¡¡¡Wait!!!
Hi guys, you must wait for the AT&T´s Fortress aka TP2
GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming ( 850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
UMTS tri-band global 3G ( 850/1900/2100 MHz)
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Fortress-phone-pb_3712.html
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maybe i should sell it because this phone one of the best in market for now and the made it in very hight quality brand but no 3G it means no internet on it 2 bad.
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you really should have read up on this forum before you bought the phone. like esincho said, this has been addressed many, many times.
bujucito said:
Hi guys, you must wait for the AT&T´s Fortress aka TP2
GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming ( 850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
UMTS tri-band global 3G ( 850/1900/2100 MHz)
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Fortress-phone-pb_3712.html
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that's not really an accurate pic of AT&T's TP2. especially because of the QWERTZ keyboard. this was discussed too lol
cobra1971 said:
maybe i should sell it because this phone one of the best in market for now and the made it in very hight quality brand but no 3G it means no internet on it 2 bad.
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i would never go as far to say u cant use the net at all the push pages make it very usable and edge isnt that slow its much slower than 3g but ive been replying to xda posts on my tp2 with no problem. if u want to stream stuff then ur out of luck
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i would never go as far to say u cant use the net at all the push pages make it very usable and edge isnt that slow its much slower than 3g but ive been replying to xda posts on my tp2 with no problem. if u want to stream stuff then ur out of luck
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I live in a 3G arean and i had 3G devices before and i do not see a speed difference between EDGE and 3G
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I live in a 3G area and i had 3G devices before and i do not see a speed difference between EDGE and 3G
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Yeah, there is not much of a difference if you use EDGE or 3G on the phone itself. I do everything on EDGE, and i'm quite happy. The peak i got here is 20kb/s and is fast enough for my everyday needs. I can even stream youtube normally, just like my PC.
The big difference here is when you tether. On everything else, EDGE is fine.
I live in a 3G area and just switched from my xperia to the touch pro 2 and there is a huge difference depending on what browser u use. And youtube loads very slow on edge at least for me it does. 3G was much faster!
Based upon my experience with the Touch HD T8282 in the US I wouldn't recommend anyone here buy the Rhodium 100 with European 3G. I'd suggest waiting for the Rhodium 300 with the UMTS850.
EDGE Sucks, forget any streaming....period.
^agree, usa 3G is a must have for speedy internet, streaming, etc.
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Based upon my experience with the Touch HD T8282 in the US I wouldn't recommend anyone here buy the Rhodium 100 with European 3G. I'd suggest waiting for the Rhodium 300 with the UMTS850.
EDGE Sucks, forget any streaming....period.
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Hi Mmdirk,
Is there anyway to identify physically or on Windows a Rhodium 3oo from a Rhodium 100?
Regards
Omar
well if you put the skyfire browser it makes a major differnece in speed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXgBcegnrs
osanchezm said:
Hi Mmdirk,
Is there anyway to identify physically or on Windows a Rhodium 3oo from a Rhodium 100?
Regards
Omar
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Omar,
If you bought yours from Mobile City Online then there is no doubt yours is the Euro version Rhodium100. The US version has not yet been released. Lift up the battery cover and the model# should be under the battery.
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Omar,
If you bought yours from Mobile City Online then there is no doubt yours is the Euro version Rhodium100. The US version has not yet been released. Lift up the battery cover and the model# should be under the battery.
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Hi Bersca,
You are right, it is a Rhodium100
Regards
Omar
Im sending mines back!!! That was a deal breaker for me... they should have been upfront about it... Unless I can figure out how to put US 3G on here, I'm sending it back to Hong Kong...
Upfront??? Its all over these forums on HTC's website. I'm not sure how much more information you needed? A big red sign? I don't understand this confusion.
Lenstar said:
Im sending mines back!!! That was a deal breaker for me... they should have been upfront about it... Unless I can figure out how to put US 3G on here, I'm sending it back to Hong Kong...
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seriously, stop posting your sob story in any thread you find.
it's no one's fault but yours that you bought the European version that doesn't run 3G in the US. if you had done your research instead of relying only on whatever online store you purchased it from, you would have known that the Rhodium 100 doesn't have the necessary bands to support 3G here.
all that info is in this forum, all you had to do was look. so stop blaming the online merchant for not being "upfront" with you, because no one here will care. it's your fault for not researching the phone further than "ooohhhh the screen tilts and it's a 3.6 inch WVGA resolution and it has dual speakers and blah blah blah" learn from this mistake so you won't waste your money and posting space on the forum.
i just recently left att to switch over to simple mobile with my att tilt 2.....and a question i want to ask is why am i only getting edge with this network? i know this phone is capable of 3g, hsdpa/hsupa sppeds.....if anyone can help me with this it would be greatly appreciated....
While the phone is capable of 3G, the new network may not be and/or may not be the same 3G as what the AT$T network is.
nu240sx said:
i just recently left att to switch over to simple mobile with my att tilt 2.....and a question i want to ask is why am i only getting edge with this network? i know this phone is capable of 3g, hsdpa/hsupa sppeds.....if anyone can help me with this it would be greatly appreciated....
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because simple mobile is probably a cheap service provider, so they use lower tier satellite and are lower priority than people who pay the extra bucks for good service
ive been using my tp2 with simple mobile for awhile and they are capable of 3g service. You might just have to goto your connection settings and check to see if you have it checked that you connect through a proxy. If its not put this ip address: 216.155.165.50 after you put that in goto the advanced settings right underneath where you wrote the ip and change the port number from 80 to 8080
nu240sx said:
i just recently left att to switch over to simple mobile with my att tilt 2.....and a question i want to ask is why am i only getting edge with this network? i know this phone is capable of 3g, hsdpa/hsupa sppeds.....if anyone can help me with this it would be greatly appreciated....
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The answer is quite 'Simple.' (Don't laugh, I know it wasn't funny...) AT&T's 3G network operates on 1900/850MHz bands while Simple Mobile uses the same bands for 3G as T-Mobile, which is the 1700/2100MHz bands.
Toput this clearly, in order to use Simple Mobile's 3G network on a Touch Pro2, you will need the T-Mobile branded device.
... As can be seen in their FAQ
What phones work on Simple Mobile 3G? Only phones with 1700/2100 AWS band work on our 3G network
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uncleswoop said:
because simple mobile is probably a cheap service provider, so they use lower tier satellite and are lower priority than people who pay the extra bucks for good service
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What satellites??? Cell networks use towers, not satellites. Is this information from a source you can cite, or just a notion you thought up in your head?
cajunflavoredbob said:
The answer is quite 'Simple.' (Don't laugh, I know it wasn't funny...) AT&T's 3G network operates on 1900/850MHz bands while Simple Mobile uses the same bands for 3G as T-Mobile, which is the 1700/2100MHz bands.
Toput this clearly, in order to use Simple Mobile's 3G network on a Touch Pro2, you will need the T-Mobile branded device.
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The ATT version of the TP2 (the Tilt2) has the 2100 MHz radio. But it could be that Simple uses the 1700 MHz band in the OPs home market, and that is why he isn't getting 3G.
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The ATT version of the TP2 (the Tilt2) has the 2100 MHz radio. But it could be that Simple uses the 1700 MHz band in the OPs home market, and that is why he isn't getting 3G.
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Because of the high bandwidth of 3G networks, they require an upstream channel and a downstream channel. The 2100MHz band is to be used in conjunction with AT&T's 3G networks in other parts of the world, namely Asia, which is on the 900/2100MHz 3G bands. The AT&T tilt2 lacks the hardware to make connecting to Simple Mobile's 3G network possible.
3g on simple mobile
thanks for all the replies to help me understand why i cant get 3g speeds on my att tilt 2 on the simple mobile network...its a shame with all the roms, cab files and etc...no one has a hack for this...
nu240sx said:
thanks for all the replies to help me understand why i cant get 3g speeds on my att tilt 2 on the simple mobile network...its a shame with all the roms, cab files and etc...no one has a hack for this...
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No one has a hack because what you are asking for is impossible. It's not a software limitation. Your hardware does not support their 3G network as I've mentioned twice above. The radio in the tilt2 does not operate in the frequency range of Simple Mobile's AWS network. I really can't make it any more clear. You can either deal with no 3G or get a branded device. Those are your only options.
nu240sx said:
thanks for all the replies to help me understand why i cant get 3g speeds on my att tilt 2 on the simple mobile network...its a shame with all the roms, cab files and etc...no one has a hack for this...
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thats because something like that would be illegal (if at all possible.)
and you would not find it on this site. and im pretty sure it would be too complicated for you and guarantee you a bricked phone.
good luck
uncleswoop said:
thats because something like that would be illegal (if at all possible.)
and you would not find it on this site. and im pretty sure it would be too complicated for you and guarantee you a bricked phone.
good luck
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Please stop posting things like this. This is the second time in this thread alone that you haven't even been close to being right. The legality of this has absolutely nothing to do with the post, nor is it actually illegal. It actually that seems this topic is too complicated for you.
still no way to exceed at&t's phone limitations? I have the captivate and am trying to find a way of making the 3g possible. so far i havent got it but all the help in the world will be appreciated. there has to be a way to do it and i know that it is here where i will find the help. Thanks in advance to all!
justlovejoy said:
still no way to exceed at&t's phone limitations? I have the captivate and am trying to find a way of making the 3g possible. so far i havent got it but all the help in the world will be appreciated. there has to be a way to do it and i know that it is here where i will find the help. Thanks in advance to all!
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OK, I looked up Simple Mobile. They use the T-Mobile 3G network. Sorry, your AT&T phone will not work 3G on that network - it has the wrong hardware modem. You are stuck with EDGE unless you get a different device.
Maybe try useing a T-Mobile radio? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=549939
I have my tp2 on simple mobile as well & 4 tha most part itz good service occassionally I pic messaging issue but 4 tha most itz good service but in android I had 2 input tha apn manually yea yea I kno this is tha wm section but come on ppl who really usez wm since tha android port got so much better damnit I can't wait 4 nand then it might be fucc wm 4 good
sent frm tha 573 tp2 midwest *****
LiquidXed said:
Maybe try useing a T-Mobile radio? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=549939
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That will just not work. It is not the radio firmware, it is the hardware.
dswaggz said:
I have my tp2 on simple mobile as well & 4 tha most part itz good service occassionally I pic messaging issue but 4 tha most itz good service but in android I had 2 input tha apn manually yea yea I kno this is tha wm section but come on ppl who really usez wm since tha android port got so much better damnit I can't wait 4 nand then it might be fucc wm 4 good
sent frm tha 573 tp2 midwest *****
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Come back when you lose the text-speak and can speak English.
dswaggz said:
Hey how bout this blow me an I'm new port,fl so come get u some
sent frm tha 573 tp2 midwest *****
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Ooh, another internet tuff guy. I'm shaking.
So I finally called ATT and got the subsidy unlock code for my Tilt2.
I popped in a Tmobile sim and it instantly works fine in every function except the connections speed. I am getting Edge only.
My question is, Can this be improved by the addition of a more recent radio? Or am I stuck with Edge due to the hardware in the ATT version of the phone?
I haven't played with this phone for almost a year except for a week in December or so when I reflashed to FireStorm 7.4 while my Captivate had crapped out. So I am kinda out of the loop on this. I was told the Captivate can't run Tmobile 3G no matter what radio I run. But I was hoping since the Tilt2 has been out so long someone might have figure out something. I see the FM radio was worked out after we thought it was impossible.
My rom and radio for the Tilt2 are in my signature. Any hope of updating it for 3G speeds?
It's by hardware. I have both phones as well due to that scenario.
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FireRaider said:
So I finally called ATT and got the subsidy unlock code for my Tilt2.
I popped in a Tmobile sim and it instantly works fine in every function except the connections speed. I am getting Edge only.
My question is, Can this be improved by the addition of a more recent radio? Or am I stuck with Edge due to the hardware in the ATT version of the phone?
I haven't played with this phone for almost a year except for a week in December or so when I reflashed to FireStorm 7.4 while my Captivate had crapped out. So I am kinda out of the loop on this. I was told the Captivate can't run Tmobile 3G no matter what radio I run. But I was hoping since the Tilt2 has been out so long someone might have figure out something. I see the FM radio was worked out after we thought it was impossible.
My rom and radio for the Tilt2 are in my signature. Any hope of updating it for 3G speeds?
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Tmobile offers 3G on 1700 MGHZ and ATT is on 850 or 1900. The ATT phone does not have 1700, so there is no hope of your device working on TMO 3G in the Americas.
Edge is all you will get, as TMO still has the quad band GSM capability.
Thanks guys. I guess the extra sim with data is not all that handy then.
It still seems odd that even by flashing a new radio it wont work. I have digital radio equipment (scanners, Ham Radio) that has huge bandwidth and I would think that modern cell phones would have the same capability. But obviously it doesnt work.
Do the international versiopns of the phone have the extended frequency range capability or is it still the same problem?
The manufacturers are too cheap to enable all the frequency bands.
Actually I suspect there is a setting hidden somewhere in the radio's NVRAM that can change the available frequencies, but nobody has found it. The chipset is the same across most of these models, and obviously the radio's antennas work across all the frequencies (since they already do for 2G). And as one obvious example, the Samsung Vibrant (which was T-Mobile only) can have its radio software-unlocked to work with other 3G frequencies.
highlandsun said:
The manufacturers are too cheap to enable all the frequency bands.
Actually I suspect there is a setting hidden somewhere in the radio's NVRAM that can change the available frequencies, but nobody has found it. The chipset is the same across most of these models, and obviously the radio's antennas work across all the frequencies (since they already do for 2G). And as one obvious example, the Samsung Vibrant (which was T-Mobile only) can have its radio software-unlocked to work with other 3G frequencies.
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Interesting. My other phone is a Captivate, which is pretty much the same as the Vibrant. I have been looking into a dual Sim adapter to run both my ATT and TMO sims in the same phone. I was told the Captivate cannot run on the TMO 3G frequencies. I will have to look into this further. That is very good information. Thanks.
FireRaider said:
Interesting. My other phone is a Captivate, which is pretty much the same as the Vibrant. I have been looking into a dual Sim adapter to run both my ATT and TMO sims in the same phone. I was told the Captivate cannot run on the TMO 3G frequencies. I will have to look into this further. That is very good information. Thanks.
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Galaxy-S Unlock http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=761045
Debug menu http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...850mhz-and-1900mhz-bands-too.-Works-on-ATT-3g.
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The manufacturers are too cheap to enable all the frequency bands.
Actually I suspect there is a setting hidden somewhere in the radio's NVRAM that can change the available frequencies, but nobody has found it. The chipset is the same across most of these models, and obviously the radio's antennas work across all the frequencies (since they already do for 2G). And as one obvious example, the Samsung Vibrant (which was T-Mobile only) can have its radio software-unlocked to work with other 3G frequencies.
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I know where that setting is but the limitation seems to be in hardware.
either that, or there is a lot more hacking required than just changing the NV setting.
Hey, care to share? Can this setting be toggled using e.g. AT+HTC_DM? Is it a no-op or is there any visible effect from changing it?
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Hi - I'm looking for some good answers - I think I know the basics...
After much shopping, I bought 2 of these...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170623785892&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
(HTC Touch Pro 2 s - the wife likes for our phones to match so I can teach, set up, etc...)
I think they are called T7373 SEA's South East Asia Versions, and I flashed to 2.07.707/4.49.25.91 radio just fine to get current at WM6.5. (I like factory ROM's - the books work, etc - despite my appreciation for the effort to cook.)
Now - I'm currently ATT, and when they go to Data Plan me, I'm going to T-Mobile prepaid.
So - I get to looking at 3g frequencies - of course!
The book for the device says 900/2100 HSPA/WCDMA.
The sellers' ad says
3G Network HSDPA 900 / 2100
HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 or HSDPA 1700 / 2100
(It's not really clear what the 'or' means)
Now, I'm not *****ing at the seller, I want to really understand, and they knew I was US and they asked ATT or Tmobile.
Would they like have reached into one of three bins, to sell me one of three truly different hardware phones - OR - picked a phone up and flashed it (Radio or full ROM) to my provider, or did they just configure the existing system so it picked Tmobile and its freqs for instance? (When the phone boots, it asks T-Mobile or 2 other Asian-sounding systems) How else could the phones do as advertised? (9/21, 8.5/19, or 17/21)
If the frequencies are not a settings, but a ROM/Radio issue, can I load the 'other US guys' flash and have it work?
If not, does anyone know what really is changed in the hardwares (I imagine the antennas' length might vary by X%, but then here that's % of mms.)
Thanks - great answers and experience really appreciated!!
The device in the picture of the ad is a European unbranded model (RHOD100). It's 3G frequencies are on the 2100MHz band. If they sent you the one pictures, you will not get 3G with any US provider. AT&T uses 850MHz and 1900MHz for their 3G service, while T-Mobile uses 1700/2100MHz. 3G radios are hardware dependent, not software dependent. This means that you must purchase the device that contains the radio for the 3G service you wish to use. They will work on 2G networks anywhere in the world. 3G is really the only difference between carriers.
The AT&T device is the RHOD300 model, also known as the Tilt 2. The T-Mobile version is the RHOD210.
The short answer is that if they send you the exact device in the picture from the ad, you will only be able to get 3G in some parts of Asia and Europe.
The description on the eBay listing is just cut and paste from somewhere (like HTC's website), so that is why it says "or" for the 3G bands. One is for the Euro model, the other is for the Asia model. Either way, neither have the correct bands to give you 3G on AT&T or T-Mobile. And as cajun mentioned, bands are hardware dependent, and there is no way to change it.
If you want 3G on AT&T, you need to buy the AT&T branded Tilt2. But since they will be able to read the IMEI number of the phone (since its ATT branded), they will probably add a smartphone data plan very quickly. So its probably not even worth getting a Tilt2, if you don't want a smartphone data plan. If you want 3G on T-Mobile, you need to buy a T-Mobile branded TP2.
Bottom line, if the phones you bought are unbranded, then they don't have the correct hardware to get 3G on either AT&T or T-Mob.
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Hey guys(?) thanks, I think I understand.
So - basically the ad HAS to be a lie, at least for 3G.
So I'm still wondering... What does HTC actually change in the phones - a crystal (I doubt this in modern times), a chip, a pack, an antenna length? There is a small area in the phone that looks 'potted' we used to call it.
They are way too pretty, and way too functional 'as is' to mess with (so I'm not gonna go module or whatever shopping), and we are pretty much 'emergency only' web people (for maps, pizza places, etc) and 2G will be fast enough. The value of a keyboard for texting, the Windows interoperability, and no damn contract is good enough.
We are deciding which ROM level we want before we try ATT to see if they know the numbers... T-Mobile prepaid is the backup plan.
THX
tshephard said:
Hey guys(?) thanks, I think I understand.
So - basically the ad HAS to be a lie, at least for 3G.
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A lie in that it looks like a lazy cut and paste, with either no proof-reading to catch the error, or a seller that does not fully understand what he is selling. They are a high volume seller, and also just used stock photos (not photos of the actual item), so its just a rushed auction posting. I don't think it was an intentional lie meant to mislead you. But if you want to dispute the sale, I think you have very good grounds, since the information in the auction is incorrect, and its actually impossible to tell what exact model (Euro or Asian) they are selling from the description.
AT&T most likely won't be able to correlate the IMEI with the right phone brand/model. But I've seen cases where they think its a smartphone, but the wrong one, and try to add a smartphone plan. I read a post where a guy was using a Nexus One, and their system was reading it as a Blackberry. I think he just told them it was an unlocked dumbphone, and they removed the smartphone plan.
Please Correct me if I'm wrong...
presently I'm using Sprint Touch Pro 2, and I have read on the internet that it is possible to work with AT&T or T-Mobile (which uses different technology other than Sprint's CDMA) after proper unlocking. Is it possible?
Regards.
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presently I'm using Sprint Touch Pro 2, and I have read on the internet that it is possible to work with AT&T or T-Mobile (which uses different technology other than Sprint's CDMA) after proper unlocking. Is it possible?
Regards.
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Yes, but you will not be able to use any other network's 3G service. The best you will get is EDGE on another network.
To follow up...
ATT stuck me on $25 Smartphone within 24 hours. (We went to $15 later, and they dropped us to a $10 cheaper talk plan.) For this particular set of phones, apparently the first 8 or so digits of the IMEI is phone type (which they clearly knew from Tilt 2's) and the rest is item serial number. Couldn't argue there...
Speeds, freqs... I don't get a clear definition of G's anywhere, but I show a H before I long on, and another H with bars as I use data. I have used cellular data at up to 1.1mbs per speed sites - I don't know if that's over E, or G, or H but it seems pretty fast to me. All that's on ATT, when I went to the T-Mobile store and tried their card, the best I got was 200kbs on about 5 tries.
Love the phones, added HTC task manager pulldown, and 1.6 VC from here - THX
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ATT stuck me on $25 Smartphone within 24 hours. (We went to $15 later, and they dropped us to a $10 cheaper talk plan.) For this particular set of phones, apparently the first 8 or so digits of the IMEI is phone type (which they clearly knew from Tilt 2's) and the rest is item serial number. Couldn't argue there...
Speeds, freqs... I don't get a clear definition of G's anywhere, but I show a H before I long on, and another H with bars as I use data. I have used cellular data at up to 1.1mbs per speed sites - I don't know if that's over E, or G, or H but it seems pretty fast to me. All that's on ATT, when I went to the T-Mobile store and tried their card, the best I got was 200kbs on about 5 tries.
Love the phones, added HTC task manager pulldown, and 1.6 VC from here - THX
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G stands for GPRS, and it is a 2G service. It stands for General Packet Radio Service. It is the slowest data service you can get with speeds normally under 50Kbps. It is occasionally known as 2.5G service.
E stands for EDGE. It stands for Enhanced Data Rates for GSM Evolution. It was a revision to the 2G service implementation and features speeds from about 100Kbps to 250Kbps depending on location, service provider, and signal. It is occasionally referred to as a pre-3G technology. It fits in the ITU's definition of 3G, but few people refer to it as such. It is normally marketed as 2.9G.
UMTS (Universal Mobile Telecommunications System) was a revision to the voice service, and did not address much data-wise. This was the first widespread usage of the term and use of 3G. It is normally the service that your device is using when it shows the 3G icon. 3G speeds are normally 350Kbps - 500Kbps.
H stands for HSPA. It stands for High Speed Packet Access. It is one step higher than what is commonly known as 3G.It is also known as 3.5G. It features speeds closer to 1.5Mbps. HSPA is normally grouped in with 3G service when it is being discussed.
As for your test with T-Mobile, that wasn't really a fair comparison since you can't get 3G speeds on a Tilt2 on T-Mobile's network. You can only ever get EDGE service. Therefore, you were comparing AT&T's 3G service to T-Mobile's EDGE service. This is like trying to race a Mustang with a Moped. If you get the Rhod210 model, you will get the faster connection with T-Mobile. There isn't much to compare between AT&T and T-Mobile. AT&T 3G speeds are slower than T-Mobile. The services are also much cheaper on T-Mobile.
THX for reply, I generally understood all the abbreviations, but like you said - the marketing hype really seems to very from the technology.
If I saw, regularly, over 1 mbs and the H bars to the right of the H block, do ya' think I was H/HSPA over 8.5/9/19/21 freqs?
tshephard said:
THX for reply, I generally understood all the abbreviations, but like you said - the marketing hype really seems to very from the technology.
If I saw, regularly, over 1 mbs and the H bars to the right of the H block, do ya' think I was H/HSPA over 8.5/9/19/21 freqs?
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On AT&T it would be HSPA on the 850MHz and/or 1900MHz frequencies. T-Mobile uses 1700MHz for HSDPA and 2100MHz for HSUPA. The frequencies for 2G services are all the same for everyone. This is why you will get up to EDGE service with any GSM carrier, but never 3G service unless you buy a device that explicitly supports that carrier's 3G service.