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TP2: Sprint, T-Mobile, Verizon, AT&T, ... where to turn?

Wow - looks like everyone is about to come out with their version of the TP2. The question for me now is - who to sign up with? What are the pros & cons of CDMA vs GSM versions? I've read about bad customer support with Sprint. Who's got the better (stable, coverage, speed) network? Any incentive to go unlocked?
Thank you!

I'll be getting one w/ tmobile usa because of the plan prices, great support, and GSM any where in the world!!

im going with Verizon,, im a sales man, and i need a reliable network.. if i dont get any signal i will lose clients. so im going with the best network in the US. you want the best you have to pay for it.

Lw00d said:
im going with Verizon,, im a sales man, and i need a reliable network.. if i dont get any signal i will lose clients. so im going with the best network in the US. you want the best you have to pay for it.
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Personally I never lose reception in the U.S but I guess it all depends, so that is a good reason to go with Verizon, but I am gonna get it for T-mobile cause of an existing contract, otehr wise I think I would want to get it for [email protected]

If you want a weakened and crippled phone with horrible customer service then Verizon is definitly the way to go.
If you want a Touch Pro2 that works worldwide, that can be unlocked to any network, then go with AT&T or T-Mobile. Personally, I would go with AT&T as they have a larger 3G coverage throughout the US.

atomixpaintball said:
If you want a weakened and crippled phone with horrible customer service then Verizon is definitly the way to go.
If you want a Touch Pro2 that works worldwide, that can be unlocked to any network, then go with AT&T or T-Mobile. Personally, I would go with AT&T as they have a larger 3G coverage throughout the US.
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I tend to agree, I am an ex- verizon guy and had to deal with the slow phone deliveries, dumb down hardware issues(Thank God for XDA) as well as the CDMA not in use with the majority of the rest of the world.
If you need world wide connectivity and the best US 3G, Att is your best bet, but to be honest who deploys first tends to win. I guess the race is on.

Price, world-wide connectivity, un-crippled phone features, and customer support all point to Sprint as the best choice for someone about to choose a carrier for the first time and wanting the TP2.
The reports you've read about Sprint's CS are BS. I've been with them for 3 years and have had many opportunities to work with customer support and have walked away from the experience satisfied and better off every time. They clearly have been and continue to work hard to turn around a bad customer service department, and it's paying off.
Also, in all that time I've not had a single dropped call, save for one area between me and my office that is a "dead zone" that no carrier apparently covers (I car pool and we all use different carriers. We all drop at the same place).

I vote for Sprint. Better data network than ATT and T-Mo combined plus i read that Sprint's version is going to be dual mode (CDMA/GSM 900/1800?).
So you get good CDMA coverage in the States and when abroad, pop in a SIM and use a local GSM network. Works for me that way.

First of all, the Sprint and Verizon versions ARE global. They are CDMA and GSM. Get it straight people.
I have been with Verizon since before they were Verizon, and I have had absolutely ZERO issues with customer service, billing, phone replacement, coverage, dropped calls, etc. That is also having lived in 2 different regions of the country in that time.
I agree, they're sometimes slow to release phones, and hopefully the TP2 crippling isn't reminiscent of the TP1, but we'll have to wait and see. It all comes down to the best network in your area. In mine, Verizon is hands down the best, followed by AT&T second, a tin can with a string 3rd, and Sprint 4th.

Sprint. CDMA

zeo2k said:
Sprint. CDMA
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Yes, Sprint is CDMA, and the Touch Pro2 for Sprint and Verizon will be dual mode (CDMA/GSM).

im an existing tmo customer (very happy with their service) and am craving to get tp2, but willing to switch to at&t since my contract with tmo has expired and i might get a better price at at&t as a new customer
sprint .. eh .. not sure, maybe
would be great if someone could do an in depth side-by-side comparison of these companies, like prices, features, extras ..
for example, i found out that at at&t and sprint you get to listen to pandora for free, but not on tmo, also engadget figured that at&t has better 3G than others, stuff like that
in general, question stands - tmo, att or sprint?

well, the CDMA phones cannot use voice and Data at the same time. so that's a big deal.
coverage and network speed vary largely depending on area. and nobody knows what the phone will cost yet through any of the carriers.

good, something new, kinda rules out sprint

hihik said:
im an existing tmo customer (very happy with their service) and am craving to get tp2, but willing to switch to at&t since my contract with tmo has expired and i might get a better price at at&t as a new customer
sprint .. eh .. not sure, maybe
would be great if someone could do an in depth side-by-side comparison of these companies, like prices, features, extras ..
for example, i found out that at at&t and sprint you get to listen to pandora for free, but not on tmo, also engadget figured that at&t has better 3G than others, stuff like that
in general, question stands - tmo, att or sprint?
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tmo hands down.... check billshrink.com to compare all four carriers (its not endorsed by any carriers by the way)

Hope this isn't a thread hijack.. what's the scoop on ROM support for CDMA versions of HTC phones? (I see the posts about TP2 being CDMA+GSM)
I've been here flashing ROMs for 8125/8525/8925, but always had a GSM version... and have really NOT noticed ROMs for the CDMA flavors of those phones..
Sprint appears to offer me the best price for a family plan with 2 data phones + messaging (~$130 vs. $170/month if I've got my info correctly), so I'm thinking heavily about dropping ATT after ~8 years... but wanted to be sure I wouldn't lose access to all the fantastic ROMs from XDA.

Lw00d said:
im going with Verizon,, im a sales man, and i need a reliable network.. if i dont get any signal i will lose clients. so im going with the best network in the US. you want the best you have to pay for it.
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i second this!! no substitute for getting service everywhere

ckeegan said:
Yes, Sprint is CDMA, and the Touch Pro2 for Sprint and Verizon will be dual mode (CDMA/GSM).
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but isnt GSM mode disabled? I thought that it was disabled and there was no way to enable it... but then again im not completely sure.. but will it even have a sim card slot?

ckeegan said:
Yes, Sprint is CDMA, and the Touch Pro2 for Sprint and Verizon will be dual mode (CDMA/GSM).
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sorry duplicate post

Any news on release dates for the different carriers?

T-Mobile TP2 on AT&T

I'm thinking about buying a TMobile Touch Pro 2 and using it on AT&T. All the delays coupled with the lame keyboard is making me look elsewhere. If I unlock a TMobile TP2 or a sprint one, is it compatible with AT&T 3G network?

No, unfortunately none of them will work on AT&T's 3G network. They will however work on Edge. I too really hate the keyboard on the AT&T version. Why can't they just leave it alone. Why does AT&T have to mess up all the HTC phones.

Crap.. I'll have to keep looking for a replacement keyboad. I replaced my Fuze's and I'd never go back. Screw you AT&T. I'm so considering a switch to Verizion in Jan when my contract is up.

I'm with you buddy. You changed the keyboard on your Fuze? How hard was that to do?

Changing the fuze keyboard is really easy. There's a good thread about it but it was basically just taking off a sticky overlay. Look like 2 mins.

Alternatives to TP2

Let's just say I am a real fan of WM 6.5 and my brief expereince with Android left me with much to desire. The TP2 is nice, but very large. I am stuck with T-mobile as they are the only ones that give me good signal at my house.
Does anyone know any good touch screen WM phones that can still utilize T-Mobile's 3G signal when unlocked?
Android would be awesome if it's native software would sync all of exchange and hotmail. If that was the case, I would go back. The K-9 software blows, and that is the only thing to come close to syncing hotmail. The Touchdown software for purchase works great with full exchange sync, but again, you must purchase it. Oh, and the camera sucks on the MT3G. Barely ever focuses.
The TP2 is great except the size. I don't really even need the slide-out keyboard. I actually prefer the touch keyboard.
Thanks in advance for any help.

Touch Diamond 2 (AKA AT&T Pure) is basically a TP2 minus the hardware keyboard. Maybe it's what you're looking for?

That would be great. But the way I understand it is that AT&T uses a different frequency for their 3G data than T-Mobile. And if the phone was already branded AT&T, it is set for that frequency. So even if you unlock it, it will not use 3G data from T-Mobile.
If I am wrong, please someone tell me, because it would be great to get that Touch Diamond 2.

After some quick searching on the interwebs, it looks like the Touch 2/Mega maybe what I am after or the HD2 (not released yet). Anyone know if the Touch 2 will work with T-Mobile 3G?

Unfortunately there is no real option other than the TP2 (or other 3G phones offered by T-Mobile) to get 3G service on the T-Mobile USA network.
It has to do with the frequencies that T-Mobile USA is using along with the type of 3G that they are implementing. A little web research indicates that T-Mobile is using the 1700/2100 frequencies with the 1700 used for uploading and the 2100 used for downloading.
You need both bands present to even think a phone will work on the T-Mobile 3G network, otherwise the best you can hope for is EDGE speeds.

jgriesel said:
......T-Mobile is using the 1700/2100 frequencies with the 1700 used for uploading and the 2100 used for downloading......
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I highly doubt that. T-Mobile only use 1700mhz. There are at least 4 phones listed on phonescoop that use Tmo's 3G and with only 1700mhz band, all samsung: SHG-T659, T749, T469 and T559. If Tmo uses 1700 for uploading and 2100 for downloading then those 4 phones listed above can only send MMS and not able to get on the internet? I highly doubt that.
Edit: You can try EMobile phones from Japan. They use 1700mhz band for their 3G.
http://emobile.jp/products/

AT&T buys T-Mobile US - uh-oh

I wonder what that means for us HD7 WP7 users. I also wonder if the bands will remain the same forever, or if there will be changes down the road. Could this be one possible reason for the delay of updates on WP7? My guess is yes, because two WP7 carriers in such talks would push everything else aside to complete them.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/20/atandt-agrees-to-buy-t-mobile-from-deutsche-telekom/

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I wonder what that means for us HD7 WP7 users. I also wonder if the bands will remain the same forever, or if there will be changes down the road. Could this be one possible reason for the delay of updates on WP7? My guess is yes, because two WP7 carriers in such talks would push everything else aside to complete them.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/20/atandt-agrees-to-buy-t-mobile-from-deutsche-telekom/
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The acquisition or merger will not be complete till sometime next year.
There is nothing to suggest that this news will hinder the update plans.

lqaddict said:
The acquisition or merger will not be complete till sometime next year.
There is nothing to suggest that this news will hinder the update plans.
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Only thing, though, as was the case with Sony and RIM, when two companies are involved with other dynamics, current affairs tend to take a back seat. That's how it was with Sony while they were in legal proceedings with RIM over some issue I can't remember. But when the proceedings were completed, RIM started putting out all manner of new devices and Sony started putting out some new portable stuff.

This blows. I currently have the HD7 on T-mobile. I hate At&T and would want to move to Sprint if this goes through.

thats until verizon buys sprint.. then we will have to choose virgin mobile or metro pcs

vHatch said:
This blows. I currently have the HD7 on T-mobile. I hate At&T and would want to move to Sprint if this goes through.
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The only thing bad about AT&T compared to T-Mobile is the pricing, and the fact that T-Mobile has free roaming to make up for their terrible Voice Coverage (Data Coverage is still pretty crappy).
AT&T Actually has been putting up new towers here, T-Mobile, Sprint, and Verizon haven't been adding anything and none of them get any coverage here: T-Mobile Roams and that's free so if you only need voice coverage I guess it works. AT&T put up a new 3G tower a mile away.
It won't mean anything for AWS Band phone users.
The same thing happened when AT&T Brought Cingular, and Sprint brought Nextel. There are still iDen phones out there working, almost a decade or so later...

HoorayBeer said:
thats until verizon buys sprint.. then we will have to choose virgin mobile or metro pcs
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Metro PCS practically doesn't exist around here, and Virgin/Boost are both terrible around here because Sprint has terrible coverage. Almost as bad as T-Mobile, with only 1/3rd the 3G speeds and worse phone choices.
Hopefully the influx of customers into AT&T and the larger infrastructure leads them to compete more rigorously with Verizon when it comes to pricing, since in about 2 years or so they can mitigate a lot of the coverage differences...

HoorayBeer said:
thats until verizon buys sprint.. then we will have to choose virgin mobile or metro pcs
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MetroPCS is a subsidy of Sprint.
Not sure who owns Virgin though.
Sent from my Bionix powered Vibrant

1 GSM provider, damn.
AT&T phone selection sucks.

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MetroPCS is a subsidy of Sprint.
Not sure who owns Virgin though.
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Where did you get that information? I knew Boost was a part of Sprint, but MetroPCS?

xmckinzie said:
Where did you get that information? I knew Boost was a part of Sprint, but MetroPCS?
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My bad, I was thinking of Boost Mobile. The PCS in the name suggested that it was Sprint (Sprint PCS with the red wings and a pin )
Any way MetroPCS footprint is sooooo small they might as well get under Sprint.

vetvito said:
1 GSM provider, damn.
AT&T phone selection sucks.
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Compared to T-Mobile's selection, AT&T's selection is much better...though I do agree their selection could be much better with more desired smartphones.

Metro PCS, and Cricket are all under Leap Wireless, I think. Yes they are small.
I hope AT&T grandfather us T-Mobile users in. AT&T plans are outrageous.

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1 GSM provider, damn.
AT&T phone selection sucks.
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What? AT&T actually has a better selection of phones than Verizon. The only thing that sucked was their selection of Android phones, but that was remedied quickly after they lost iPhone exclusivity.
They have the best selection of Blackberries.
They've generally carried more Windows Mobile and Symbian Phones than the competitors.
They have the iPhone, and they have both mid-range and high end Android phones.
They carried the Pre and Pixi Plus.
Now that they've lost iPhone exclusivity, their phone selection actually got better.
One has to be blind to actually say AT&T's phone selection sucks. They are the only carrier without a clear bias when it comes to smartphone OSes. Yes, they pushed their exclusive iPhone, but they carry/carried literally everything else from Android to WP7... Verizon and T-Mobile (and now even Sprint) all seem to care pretty much only about Android. Verizon cares about the iPhone because they wanted to leech customers from AT&T, but I guess that didn't work as planned since the lines were embarassingly thin when that launched...
Also, LTE is a GSM technology so eventually every major carrier will migrate to that. AT&T (GSM) buying T-Mobile (GSM) just makes it easier for them to transition to LTE, gives them greater capacity, and gives them the largest 4G LTE coverage area of all the major carriers.
Also, I believe Virgin is owned by Sprint as well.

I got away from Cingular/AT&T as fast as I could in the past. I despised their service, their pricing, and their overall level of customer support. I could not stand the position I was in with them, and honestly, I've never had a single problem with T-Mobile...
However, I am not as pessimistic about this announcement as the rest of the T-Mobile world is. I see this as a potential win-win for both parties, which will eventually become one. T-Mobile has the right idea for everything plan oriented in my eyes, but they've never had the superior budget and revenue that AT&T and Verizon have. This allows them to have the cash flow to implement ideas. I do think AT&T has seen T-Mobile's success, which is obviously why they went after them. I do believe they will incorporate the best of both worlds... these companies aren't juggernauts because they've made the wrong decisions their entire existence... I promise you that. It also gives them both a much stronger spectrum and coverage. There are places I have perfect service and an AT&T user didn't, and vice versa... This eliminates that... It'll obviously take a great deal of time, but it's going to improve the service.
I won't be 'jumping ship' like the Magenta lovers on TmoNews are announcing... I'm looking forward to the positives. I'm also looking forward to the decrease in Android superiority in my handset selection. I guess time will tell all.

FiyaFleye said:
I got away from Cingular/AT&T as fast as I could in the past. I despised their service, their pricing, and their overall level of customer support. I could not stand the position I was in with them, and honestly, I've never had a single problem with T-Mobile...
However, I am not as pessimistic about this announcement as the rest of the T-Mobile world is. I see this as a potential win-win for both parties, which will eventually become one. T-Mobile has the right idea for everything plan oriented in my eyes, but they've never had the superior budget and revenue that AT&T and Verizon have. This allows them to have the cash flow to implement ideas. I do think AT&T has seen T-Mobile's success, which is obviously why they went after them. I do believe they will incorporate the best of both worlds... these companies aren't juggernauts because they've made the wrong decisions their entire existence... I promise you that. It also gives them both a much stronger spectrum and coverage. There are places I have perfect service and an AT&T user didn't, and vice versa... This eliminates that... It'll obviously take a great deal of time, but it's going to improve the service.
I won't be 'jumping ship' like the Magenta lovers on TmoNews are announcing... I'm looking forward to the positives. I'm also looking forward to the decrease in Android superiority in my handset selection. I guess time will tell all.
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Problem is if this is the kind of thing you get from at&t now, how much worse will it be when they have more customers and have to throttle everybody: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KupMmHfRWzQ&feature=player_embedded#at=12. Tmobile has been good with not messing with phone capability or trying to hoodwink customers, with only at&t as the sole GSM provider there is no choice for anyone who travels a lot and wants to avoid ridiculous roaming fees.

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Problem is if this is the kind of thing you get from at&t now, how much worse will it be when they have more customers and have to throttle everybody: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KupMmHfRWzQ&feature=player_embedded#at=12. Tmobile has been good with not messing with phone capability or trying to hoodwink customers, with only at&t as the sole GSM provider there is no choice for anyone who travels a lot and wants to avoid ridiculous roaming fees.
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AT&T has proven to take good qualities and utilize them... Like Rollover when they acquired (re-aquired?) Cingular. You have to understand, they are going to have T-Mobile towers now, already running HSPA+ which keeps getting better... I'm sure in this year they are going to be getting their HSPA up to T-Mobile standards so when they switch happens its perfect. Then you have an amazing infrastructure to establish your LTE network. I'm personally being optimistic here... You gain nothing in life being pessimistic, especially about a service you're bound to.

Unsatisfied with the customer service and network stability of AT&T... Not sure what would happen when T-mobile users are added in.
Also I'm worried if AT&T would have less motivation to build tower after T-Mobile is acquired.

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Unsatisfied with the customer service and network stability of AT&T... Not sure what would happen when T-mobile users are added in.
Also I'm worried if AT&T would have less motivation to build tower after T-Mobile is acquired.
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AT&T & T-Mobile aren't the only competing mobile providers... AT&T still has a variety of other carriers to compete with. To think they're going to stand around and do nothing now is ridiculous, and honestly, Verizon is their bigger competition... this just gives AT&T more towers and more power to implement features... Also provides T-Mobile's know-how and very well created/handled HSPA+...

This is great news for me as a AT&T customer where I work which is in an Automotive Paint shop AT&T barely comes in but T-Mobile comes in great so hopefully the towers will share the same signals...
We do however have a contract with Verizon and they have equipment within our facility that boosts the CDMA signal which we have found does sometimes cancel out the GSM network but on rare occasions...
I just prefer AT&T as I use Uverse and love it and really like the rollover minute plan and how I can use the free wifi everywhere through AT&T...
My main concern is since AT&T bought T-Mobile how long will it take before AT&T will be able to start accessing the T-Mobile towers and vice versa?

HD7 Camera ... Ugh!

I don't think I can take it anymore...
It's been how many updates now...
Pre-NoDo
NoDo
Post NoDo
Mango
Just got another update post mango a couple days ago
The pink tint is still there (even clearly visible in the viewfinder). The Camera's Auto-Focus is still worthless, and pictures are still grainy. It's still borderline useless for indoor pictures and the flash is so dominant that anything with eyes looks like there are two flashlights in their head.
Having just moved to a new city with a really scenic historic district (and people back home always asking for pictures on Facebook and stuff), the camera is becoming a show-stopper.
Is anyone still suffering with these issues, or am I alone, now?
I'm getting by fine using my Vibrant, which takes fantastic pictures and actually has usable settings for exposure, saturation, contrast, etc. But I really like being able to take pictures from the lock screen. This is pissing me off.
Also, does the camera in the newer HTC phones have these same issues, and are the camera settings useless in those as well?

I've heard the HD7 has one of the worst cameras in the windows phone market. I have a samsung focus and I think it takes pretty good photos. I've also heard the new HTC Titan has a really good camera, maybe you should try and get an upgrade for your HD7

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I've heard the HD7 has one of the worst cameras in the windows phone market. I have a samsung focus and I think it takes pretty good photos. I've also heard the new HTC Titan has a really good camera, maybe you should try and get an upgrade for your HD7
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I have an HD7, and it probably has one of the worse cameras in phones that came out the past 2 years. I think that has been a known fact for a while now.

I have an HD7, and yes, the camera is not a selling point. HTC has had a rep for so-so cameras, but it seems to be something that they have tried to address this year.
Any one of the new US Mango phones will have a better camera than the HD7, but the best of the bunch seems to be the HTC Titan on AT&T. It has an exceptionally wide max aperture (2.2), so it should perform really well in low light.
If you got the HD7 on T-Mobile and you want to stay there your only other WM7 choice is the new smaller Radar which has an improved camera, though I don't know that it's good enough to justify the switch. On the Android side T-Mo has the Amaze 4G and the Mytouch Slide 4G which both have really strong cameras.
The best camera phone that I have ever had is the Nokia N8 which can handle both T-Mobile and AT&T. Nokia uses a larger light sensor in the N8 than any other phone - it's the size of a point-and-shoot sensor. Great phone and incredible reception for both voice and data. You have to get used to Symbian OS, though, which is an acquired taste. And then there's the iPhone 4 which also among the top camera phones.

The good part about WP7 phone compatibility is they are all world phones. As long as you unlock the sim or buy a phone already unlocked you'll be able to use it on any network...3G as well. I don't know about CDMA versions of WP7 phones, though, since they generally don't use sims.
So, if you are on T-Mobile and want something from AT&T, buy it, unlock it, put your T-Mobile sim in it and you're good to go. You'll get T-Mobile's HSPA quasi-4G data speeds.
By the way, had I known I could have used my T-Mobile HD7 with full data access (3G) when I went to AT&T, I'd likely still have it. I loved my HD7.

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The good part about WP7 phone compatibility is they are all world phones. As long as you unlock the sim or buy a phone already unlocked you'll be able to use it on any network...3G as well. I don't know about CDMA versions of WP7 phones, though, since they generally don't use sims.
So, if you are on T-Mobile and want something from AT&T, buy it, unlock it, put your T-Mobile sim in it and you're good to go. You'll get T-Mobile's HSPA quasi-4G data speeds.
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you don't know how radio bands work do you?

I know the camera is dubious.
I'm just dumbfounded that HTC hasn't either:
1. Pushed an update to at least get rid of the pink tinted pictures, like they did for the HD2.
or:
2. Put more Camera Options into the App and pushed that in one of the updates. The camera has pretty much no useful options so there is absolutely no control over picture quality. They're grainy, pink-tinted, often overexposed, and the phone's auto-focus is terrible. It actually focused on something way off in the distance in the background several times when I was trying to take a picture of someone standing in front of me.
The Vibrant takes infinitely better pictures, but I like the camera button on the HD7. It takes too long to get the Vibrant unlocked and into the Camera when I want to take a picture, plus the GPS is terrible so Geotagging doesn't work all that great on it... ...

MartyLK said:
The good part about WP7 phone compatibility is they are all world phones. As long as you unlock the sim or buy a phone already unlocked you'll be able to use it on any network...3G as well. I don't know about CDMA versions of WP7 phones, though, since they generally don't use sims.
So, if you are on T-Mobile and want something from AT&T, buy it, unlock it, put your T-Mobile sim in it and you're good to go. You'll get T-Mobile's HSPA quasi-4G data speeds.
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Those Quasi-4G speeds you're talking about don't exist in your scenario. The best you'll get is EDGE, and do you seriously think I'm going to pay $5-700 for a phone when I can open a new line for a promotion and ETF early for $200 on T-Mobile?
T-Mobile's data speeds are terrible here anyways. Can't even get above 1Mbps with a full signal on any of my devices. I'm switching to AT&T or Verizon when my Contract is up.

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Those Quasi-4G speeds you're talking about don't exist in your scenario. The best you'll get is EDGE, and do you seriously think I'm going to pay $5-700 for a phone when I can open a new line for a promotion and ETF early for $200 on T-Mobile?
T-Mobile's data speeds are terrible here anyways. Can't even get above 1Mbps with a full signal on any of my devices. I'm switching to AT&T or Verizon when my Contract is up.
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What makes you think the best you'll get is EDGE?

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What makes you think the best you'll get is EDGE?
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you aren't this dumb. You must be joking.

I just wish I'd have known GSM WP7 phones are compatible on all GSM networks when I owned my T-Mobile HD7. I would be using it with AT&T's 3G data right now rather than selling it and buying a Focus. Not that the Focus is bad, it isn't. The Focus is a sweet phone. But I loved my HD7 and would have kept it when I went to AT&T.

Yeah, just trolling. No ling term xda member would make such a blatantly stupid statement.

They aren't. The GPRS and EDGE bands are compatible across most GSM carriers. The 3G bands aren't always compatible. T-Mobile and AT&T don't share any 3G bands, so a T-Mobile branded phone 95% of the time will only get EDGE on AT&T and Vice Versa.
The HD7 does not get 3G on AT&T, the AT&T Variant (HD7S) has different bands in it.
The only phone on AT&T that you can unlock and get 3G/HSPA+ on T-Mobile with at the moment, everywhere T-Mobile has coverage (not just one band for sketchy areas where that band exists) is the iPhone 4S.
This is why Nokia N Series phones were usually not sold in Carrier stores (in the US). They had Pentaband radios and what carrier is going to subsidize a $600 phone to $200 or so only to see people buy it and pay a $200 ETF fee and go to a competing carrier with mass savings?

N8ter said:
They aren't. The GPRS and EDGE bands are compatible across most GSM carriers. The 3G bands aren't always compatible. T-Mobile and AT&T don't share any 3G bands, so a T-Mobile branded phone 95% of the time will only get EDGE on AT&T and Vice Versa.
The HD7 does not get 3G on AT&T, the AT&T Variant (HD7S) has different bands in it.
The only phone on AT&T that you can unlock and get 3G/HSPA+ on T-Mobile with at the moment, everywhere T-Mobile has coverage (not just one band for sketchy areas where that band exists) is the iPhone 4S.
This is why Nokia N Series phones were usually not sold in Carrier stores. They had Pentaband radios and what carrier is going to subsidize a $600 phone to $200 or so only to see people buy it and pay a $200 ETF fee and go to a competing carrier with mass savings?
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Not really. WP7 phones are world phones and have radios compatible with all GSM data networks. The hardware is what makes them compatible.

MartyLK said:
Not really. WP7 phones are world phones and have radios compatible with all GSM data networks. The hardware is what makes them compatible.
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All GSM devices are world phones in the sense that they all allow you to connect to any GSM carrier's network to make calls, sent SMS/MMS, and in many cases even get Edge Data.
There are no WP7 devices with a penta-band radio in them. US devices have the bands supported by the carriers carrying them.
Being a "World Phone" is really only a bullet point CDMA Users who travel overseas have to worry about. People on GSM carriers do not have to worry about that...
Done replying to you. I think you're trolling me.

N8ter said:
All GSM devices are world phones in the sense that they all allow you to connect to any GSM carrier's network to make calls, sent SMS/MMS, and in many cases even get Edge Data.
There are no WP7 devices with a penta-band radio in them. US devices have the bands supported by the carriers carrying them.
Being a "World Phone" is really only a bullet point CDMA Users who travel overseas have to worry about. People on GSM carriers do not have to worry about that...
Done replying to you. I think you're trolling me.
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WP7 phones are compatible with all 3G data networks on GSM networks.

Kinda funny seeing n8ter get trolled in his usual trolling grounds.
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MartyLK said:
WP7 phones are compatible with all 3G data networks on GSM networks.
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trolling by means of feigning incompetence is not honorable.

Having an opinion that differs from someone else isn't trolling.
Posting inflamatory remarks aimed at someone is. But hey, I can't really say I'm suprised

So does this post mean you'll be selling your phone and getting an iPhone or android phone and leaving the forums?
Please say yes....

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Kinda funny seeing n8ter get trolled in his usual trolling grounds.
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trolling by means of feigning incompetence is not honorable.
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You're a horrid sort. There is no maliciousness on my part, but from you, there is. You must have a miserable existence where you need to attack people right and left. Maybe your family is too much for you to handle and are pressuring you something terrible. But attacking people is not a proper response. You should reevaluate your life and come to terms with your struggles and learn to be a decent and kind person. Until then you will remain a social problem. Sorry for being blunt but you have been attacking where no attack should happen.