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I am a newbie here, just joint the community not too long ago. However noted that all the good cooks went missing? Previously, every month there be a number of new roms being released? However, lately not much of new roms being released? Where have all the good cook went? Will here be a 'ghost' town especially with the forthcoming Kaiser?
Just my 2 cents of opinion?
alancstan said:
I am a newbie here, just joint the community not too long ago. However noted that all the good cooks went missing? Previously, every month there be a number of new roms being released? However, lately not much of new roms being released? Where have all the good cook went? Will here be a 'ghost' town especially with the forthcoming Kaiser?
Just my 2 cents of opinion?
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I think they finally realised there is more to life than a stupid phone.
esseff said:
I think they finally realised there is more to life than a stupid phone.
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Oooh, you'll catch hell for that one...
I think with WM6 being released, it has taken the punch out of some of the cooks fun\obsession. Also there has been several good kitchens released that allow for just about anybody to cook their own rom just how they want it. Check out the Pandora thread it's great!
I hope they reappear for the Kaiser.
esseff said:
I think they finally realised there is more to life than a stupid phone.
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Pff...What the hell are you doing here on this forum, if you think most of us dont live a normal life, like we are all nerds or people with no life.. because most of us like to modify our phone..
Look in the miror, you will see the person with no life..
Bro Bram87,
Please don't start flamming over here.... just a discussion wil do. Everyone here loves their Hermes!
waiting for wm7...
The real reason is that the production WM6 release is very stable & fast
Some cooks are still here... We still have some Betas... That means LIFE
Err i think the cooks are here, its just all the roms out there dont really need any improvement now?
if you try a few of the latest ones, you will see you'll have very little rom related issues, so no need, to cook, and improve the roms!
fil,
Yes I do agree, the current batch of roms are very stable and fast. But however, I do find that a cook is always a cook, whereby the perfection will never take place, always challenging till the end!
my 2 cents of opinion...
alancstan said:
However noted that all the good cooks went missing?
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Pardon me?
I'll agree with the others... it's getting pretty difficult to improve on the Hermes ROM at this point. Working on it, though.
Aside from the facts that there are some excellent chefs still in the hermes kitchen, that the roms are probably near completition for WM6 etc - I think what drove a lot of the cooks away was a combination of the constant flaming that seems to go on in the Hermes forums - I typically find most of it pretty funny but reading through some of the other forums I am always surprised how there is nowhere near as much flaming going on. That and I think they got sick of people complaining there rom broke this or that when it was something stupid the person did and didn't follow the instructions or do a simple search for the solution. I could easily see how that could put somebody off of releasing to the public something they worked so hard to make.
Regardless of all that, there are some great chefs about - VP3g, Schapps, Duttythroy, Dutty (I think still puts out roms), JasJamming (though he doesn't realse them here any more - somebody usually post a link when he does). If I forgot to mention you or butchered the spelling of your name - sorry - not intentional
I think the cooks on here are doing an excellent job! the problem is Microsoft now is starting to do some sh** right and making a fast rom for our phone. I've tried every rom on xda that I could find at least once to test them. It's just getting harder for the cooks to cook better roms when they are working with the software that is released and taking their time to help us.
Just remember its like the military the stuff they've have for 10 years is just new to citizens. its kinda similar with wm6 just give em time and until then enjoy the awesome roms that we have!!!!
.... or you could build your own if your that risky.
I just thought I'd take a moment (one previously spent fiddling with my phone) to say well done and thank you to both Tom_Codon and meschle. Which ever flavour of ROM you've decided to put on your device I'm sure you'll agree that it has breathed new life into it.
I for one feel as if I just got a new phone. I haven't soft reset since Friday (which is a shame as I do like my animated splash screens), all my apps are set up, my home screen is just the way I like it....... so what do I do now?
Congratulations guys your efforts are much appreciated and I for one look forward to finding something more constructive to do with my time than hard-resetting my phone (well for a week or two anyway).
Cheers
Matt
I totally agree with you!
It's really amazing what these guys have created.. I don't know what would make my phone better than now. It's nearly perfect, just as I need it as my constant companion.
In this way, thanks mates..
lets be careful though
.....come on guys, I know the likes of Tom and Meschle are fantastic guys - with a lot of skill....but lets not make their heads TOO big....lol
If we big them up too much HTC might hear about them and take them away from us
chandlercjh said:
.....come on guys, I know the likes of Tom and Meschle are fantastic guys - with a lot of skill....but lets not make their heads TOO big....lol
If we big them up too much HTC might hear about them and take them away from us
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I think Tom and many other cooks etc are well able to beef up the skills in HTC etc, but would not last long there.
Tom likes to produce new roms every month, but will be told 'that feature you just cooked is fantastic. We can sell that as the the new feature in next years model. We dont release new features unless we can sell them with hardware'
macguffin said:
I just thought I'd take a moment (one previously spent fiddling with my phone) to say well done and thank you to both Tom_Codon and meschle. Which ever flavour of ROM you've decided to put on your device I'm sure you'll agree that it has breathed new life into it.
I for one feel as if I just got a new phone. I haven't soft reset since Friday (which is a shame as I do like my animated splash screens), all my apps are set up, my home screen is just the way I like it....... so what do I do now?
Congratulations guys your efforts are much appreciated and I for one look forward to finding something more constructive to do with my time than hard-resetting my phone (well for a week or two anyway).
Cheers
Matt
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Thanks matt - this is encouraging Lets not forget fracoon - hope you finish your rom soon your beta is very promising
Well, I only know this forum for 2 weeks, but I could say that I am really impressed of the great work done on these ROMs.
I can't imagine the amount of work it is, but for sure the result is amazing
I'd like to put my 2 pennies in as well...
Thanks guys, tom meschle, fracoon and who ever else there is... i've had my xda orbit for a while, had other xda's b4, and work with loads of xda's, but since joining this forum, my xda has hit another level...
the time and effort u guys put in, my hat goes off to u guys... ive bin trying to cook my own rom, but failed miserabley, but i'll keep trying... im sure uguys will help
thanks again guys...
I can see a new MTV show coming soon; Pimp My PPC
Bunch of Cordon Bleu chefs in the kitchen taking some sad old OEM XDA and cooking away until voila! A new pimped-up device handed over to the poor ole charity case that will be able to now proudly be seen once more down the pub with his mates (a position for me I think )
Respect Gents, you make a good product so much better
Thanks to all
I also wish to thank all the people,who make ROMs and which happen to be much better than the original one.
This forum is a knowledge base for those who owns Pocket PCs. At times it is better than the manufacturers' support pages. To those who have created the Cook ROMS, you guys has shown a thing or two of how to make a ROM stable. Keep the good work.
If i can i would give 1000 Stars to the xda forum!!!
Is is the best i personally know and i deeply hope from the bottom of my heart that out friends like tom_condon and coolgadget come back.
There are only a few people kicking at the the forum - and most of us live the right spirit of the forum!!!
I think that it is interesting to buying a htc thanks to this forum because with original roms does not work well. 1000 stars to xda. We have new phones thanks to developers of the forum.
RESPECT
I absolutely agree with macguffin.
I've had tom's bb3.7 and 4.0, and I was totaly amazed! Until I join the xda forum I had my device with slow wm5, but now THANKS TO LOCAL GUYS I have brand new Artemis - I couldn't even imagine anything like this before. Now I have Meschle's ROM(seems better for me). I'm also sad that a lot of "internet newbies"(don't know how to search and ask) comes here but heads up guys...it's everywhere. I think if we stick together we can make this forum better!
Thank to all of you here who spend your nights with pimping our devices. You show me new way of using my phone. I don't wanna call your names because I know there are a lot of members who want to share their knowledge - no matter how they are skilled.
I'm sorry for my english, it probably isn't too good to describe my feelings.
/signed
Thanks to the chefs. Also many thanks to the developers who make the tools, which make these ROM's possible, thanks to Bepe, Pof, A_C, Gullum and NNcuong to mention just a few.
i am using B&B v3 Ger - Rom on my XDA orbit
and its much better than the original wm6. i love it!
hopefully soon the ger version of 4.1 will come out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would jus like to say RESPECT to all of the cookers who have worked hard to produce these ROM’s for us.
I have used Tom’s B&B 4.0 and.4.1 Mischle’s premium plus and 2.1, and also Fracoon’s 2.1 final. Tom’s is cosmetically brilliant, Meschle’s is very stable with excellent apps cooked in, and Fracoon’s is lightning fast and stable. I must say that these men have put in a tremendous amount of hours into producing these ROM’s. These ROM’s all work much better than that of O2, T-Mobile and all of the other providers.
What I especially like about these men is that they provide and excellent service and support right around the clock, in spite of the abuse for some complainers, who forget that these guys are giving freely of their time and resources. I have logged sometimes late into the night and these men are still providing support for us.
Please guy’s don’t forget that the majority of us appreciate the hard work that you do for us.
/signed!!!
absolutely correct! Thanks a lot to all of them, great work guys !
romac,
Thanks for saying exactly what I'm thinking. And you guys (Tom, Meschle, aje_fr, Fracoon and I know I'm far from having listed one hundredth of all the guys that are cooking or helping cookers), thanks for your hard work on making us such good ROMs. Your work is definitely better than the one made by all these providers we bought our P3300s from
The_Steph
-=RESPECT=-
""""For all cookers."""""
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God bless you guys
A bear hug to all of them - trust me - my size is big enuf for all
Cooks are important no doubt....but then what would cooks do if the spices were missing....along with them - I think the ones who build the smaller particles (individual cabs, apps etc) deserve to be recognized also....
A bear hug (or jadu ki jhappi) to all of them - trust me - my size is big enuf for all !
Add Mine too
My admiration too for the excellent work.
Hear...Hear
+1000000...my greatest compliment for all of the cookers out there. You are the ones that make things run the way it should.
Best Regards,
i'll second that
All the cookers are talented guys who we all owe a great deal of respect......even Meshle who has been sent ot Coventry
Great job, guys.
RESPECT! great job
good staff
thanks you and respect peace and love Tom, Meschle, aje_fr, Fracoon and ME lol
Thanks to all the cooks
Agree 100%. You guys ROCK!!!
My Thanks goes out to all the peeps behind the scene, not to forget Pof, without his USPL program, we wouldn't be able to enjoy the aftermarket roms
Kudos to all!
Very Good Point!!!!
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My Thanks goes out to all the peeps behind the scene, not to forget Pof, without his USPL program, we wouldn't be able to enjoy the aftermarket roms
Kudos to all!
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Me too.....
I think it should be made known that the term cookers cover everyone who makes ROM and ALL developers created tools to install the ROM to our PPC and ALL developers that creates new programs/fixes....I hope that covers it this time....
Great job...please keep it up...thanks
/signed, what more is there to say!
The work you people do is amazing, I bought my Orbit and was saddened at the sloooow speed of the thing but you guys changed that! ROMS, stability, CABS, tips, help!
Thanks goes out to ALL of you!
They just made a great phone even better, a big respect to all cookers
Guys thankyou for respect
For myself i cooked these roms for you guys to enjoy - to have something bug free (well almost ) that you could use day in and day out
Hey guys - after a crisis of conscience i have retired from the forum.
I have taken the roms with me but no doubt you will find them elsewhere.
Thanks to all those that supported me but i now believe rom hacking is not strictly legitimate and i do not wish to have my name associated with them for personal and career reasons.
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I don't know why you're doing this, but I want you to know that yours ROMS are very beatiful and powerful and I'm sure you have very good reasons to do this.
Thanks again for your work.
Good luck and hope to see you again elsewhere!
Bye
Thats a shame... cause you've been doing a great job and been helping us a lot with not only your nice roms... but also with your knowledge and help!!
But I respect your decision and I wish you all the best with the future!!
Cheers
E
Shame best ROMs around and still going! if all ROM writers do what you are going, then no point to this BRILL WEB SITE, then we left with just a normal PDA phone. Iphone maybe now lol
That 's too bad to hear. Who hired you? Microsoft, HTC?
Anyway... a huge THANKS from me and I wish you the best. Nice to be here with us.
CU arround (...I hope).
Sad to see someone of your stature leave the forums but i wish you a happy and healthy departure and hope you continue pass down your knowledge to others .
I don't want hear that bro,Unbelievable,
any way thanks for ur hard work.
take care bye!
hear you from soon
Sad to hear, you've done a brilliant job on these forums with your ROMS. Will you stay on the forums and offer advice still?
A Big Thanks For All
Hi Messchle,
This is bad news for us happy users of your roms. I want to say thank you for all your work on the most stable roms here and good support on this forum.
I wish you a good carreer and future. Hope to see you sometime again (perhaps as a user?).
Regards,
Twiggerdingo (Robert)
meschle said:
Hey guys - after a crisis of conscience i have retired from the forum.
I have taken the roms with me but no doubt you will find them elsewhere.
Thanks to all those that supported me but i now believe rom hacking is not strictly legitimate and i do not wish to have my name associated with them for personal and career reasons.
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Meschle,
Thanks for all your roms was the best what ever made!
I'ts very sad you retired.
my best wishes... Vezo
mAN i flashed my week old new phone for ya...and now u go....salute you !!
Thamks for all the roms you made, they were the best
thanks you so much for your job and all roms you have done for us.
good luck !
Thanx for all the great things you produced
can we still contact you when we have questions about making own roms?
greetz Hatchy
thank you for all.sorry i didnt had money to donate!
may the force be with you!
im sad to read this meschle, this is a big loss 4 all at XDA.
Thx for all your help, support and friendship.
I will miss having you here
Hope to see you around from time to time, but from what you wrote, I might wish for the impossible.
Have a great one meschle
cheers my friend
Will miss you... I agree with mike...
If nothing else... this forum has given you chance to showcase your talent by helping others...
I am a big fan of you and your ROMs...
Wish you all the best... and please do not let mind overtake your heart...
Dear Mark,
Its sad to hear that you are retiring from the forum, we (the Artemis user) will loose a great asset. Just taking this opportunity to thank you for all of your efforts and wish you the best. Sincere thanks to you from the heart.
Joyanne
Dear Mark
i really dont know what to say about this, but its your decision.
thanks for the help and the support you have given to the forum.
hope to see you around some day
greetings
Neil.
Mark,
Many thanks for your great roms! You will be missed..
All the best.
Hi Cookers and Devs,
We face a set of problems with Hero custom roms. The fact is that nobody has been able to port another device's rom, even a cupcake rom. We always face the same main problems: no bluetooth, no trackball, no camera, no accelerometer and, most of the time, no GPS. We all tried lots of cooking (changed many files, libs etc...) with no success.
That is why we thought we were missing kernel sources. Now we have them, we have noticed that the customization of stock android-msm sources by HTC is huge compared to, for example, the small kernel patch for sapphire 32a devices. To port the changes to 2.6.29 kernel sources, we need an expert kernel developer witch our hero dev community lacks. But, the fact that we face the same problems for porting cupcake and donut roms make me think that the kernel version is NOT the problem.
My thought is that HTC's android customization may be huge too... (android framework may have been modified) But because of android's apache license they don't have to release sources. It is a hard and long work to guess all those changes...
Concerning rom cooking, Sapphire/Dream Cookers faced the same problems porting Hero roms to there devices for a long time. Drizzy has got bluetooth fixed no so long ago.... I am sure they have the knowledge we miss. But we then face an other problem, most of those Cookers think Hero is ****,or don't want to know anything about non google branded devices, or, coming from WinMo world, have lots of difficulties sharing their knowledge...
I suggest that we, all Hero rom cookers and devs, try to port Sapphire AOSP Cupcake to Hero. Why cupcake? Because we can be sure kernel version 2.6.27 is ok with it. I am pretty sure that, once done, we will be able to port other roms.
The progress of that work would go to this thread.
What you (devs and cookers) think ?
The 3.03 ROM I posted once was based on a Sapphire.
The easiest to port is the 32A.
Though a few things weren't working as planned, and the rom was plagued with speed issues, it worked.
(sometimes, it's a matter of coupling the right init from the initrd - kernel part)
The harder part is porting ROMs which are meant to be run on a 2.6.29 kernel.
My guess?
I've taken a look at the 2.6.27/29 diff, and it isn't worth the time, to get a community-driven 2.6.29 tree.
HTC will long before that release the 2.6.29 kernel.
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The 3.03 ROM I posted once was based on a Sapphire.
The easiest to port is the 32A.
Though a few things weren't working as planned, and the rom was plagued with speed issues, it worked.
(sometimes, it's a matter of coupling the right init from the initrd - kernel part)
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Was it cupcake? Did bluetooth, accelerometer, Gps worked? Any link to it?
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The harder part is porting ROMs which are meant to be run on a 2.6.29 kernel.
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Well, sure it is harder, but we face about the same as porting ROMs which are meant to be run on a 2.6.27 kernel. That is what makes me think kernel version may not be the solution for most of the problems we face.
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My guess?
I've taken a look at the 2.6.27/29 diff, and it isn't worth the time, to get a community-driven 2.6.29 tree.
HTC will long before that release the 2.6.29 kernel.
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Yes it worth the time. Creating a 2.6.29 branch on github easy, applying patch isn't: many rejects. And yes we'll have to wait a long time for HTC to release 2.6.29 Hero kernel sources
we need an expert kernel developer witch our hero dev community lacks
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regarding that issue, maybe we could setup some kind of donation and give the donation as a "reward" to the "expert" dev who first can provide a working kernel...?
i know its a long shot...
and it all depends on how willing the HERO community is willing to donate...
nice going guys. i was really getting tired to see no remarkable development in hero and was planning to get an additional dream just for playing. and i was really dissappointed seeing hero cookers not giving much **** about roms and releasing nice stuffs.
now i understand what the barricades are. and yeah its true that dream and sapphire cookers really dont give **** about hero. i am creating a theme of my own and wanted to have a transparent top taskbar and top clock color black and i asked several time sin dream and sapphire threads but dint get a SINGLE reply.
however, its really true that HTC wont be giving us 2.6.29 any time soon rather will make it as longer as possible. so it would be best to try ourselves to make it ourselves. and as its really a troublesome work it wud be really great if u guys cud have worked together to get it quickly.
and as we all know none of u live on cooking roms i wud really to contribute in the donation thing as much i can. a $20 donation doesnt really hurt much to get my $700 phone going.
last but not the least... request to other fellow hero users....... please help ourselves by rising a fund of donation for our cookers so that they get enough encouragement for cooking hero roms.
regards
have you taken into consideration that eclair is about to come? i don't want to take the fun out of it, in fact i think it is a very good idea what lox proposed here. but i myself find myself rather reluctant to try to mod anything except tweaking mcr2.9 a little more... not that i had the capabilities to seriously do some kernel hacking/modding/developing, but at least i was able to compile my own working kernel, so i am not completely clueless.
again, don't want to take the fun out of it, i would just imagine that you have a hard time motivating members to donate 1.5/1.6 improvement, when eclair is just around the edge...
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have you taken into consideration that eclair is about to come? i don't want to take the fun out of it, in fact i think it is a very good idea what lox proposed here. but i myself find myself rather reluctant to try to mod anything except tweaking mcr2.9 a little more... not that i had the capabilities to seriously do some kernel hacking/modding/developing, but at least i was able to compile my own working kernel, so i am not completely clueless.
again, don't want to take the fun out of it, i would just imagine that you have a hard time motivating members to donate 1.5/1.6 improvement, when eclair is just around the edge...
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bro dont get me wrong......... but do u really beleive that htc is going to give us eclair in 1-2 months? i mean if they were this kind then why they dint kernel or source code for hero earlier? do u think htc will release better os for a phone which is already 7 months old rather upgrading the new released phones and releasing new handsets? bro those phone companies are here for doing business , not serving customer's after sales needs.
if u still want to wait believing that htc is ur friend then its ur call and best of luck with that. but after buying these costly handsets for last 6-7 years i know it very well that nokia, samsung, htc never going to keep their promises regarding firmwares.
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bro dont get me wrong......... but do u really beleive that htc is going to give us eclair in 1-2 months? i mean if they were this kind then why they dint kernel or source code for hero earlier? do u think htc will release better os for a phone which is already 7 months old rather upgrading the new released phones and releasing new handsets? bro those phone companies are here for doing business , not serving customer's after sales needs.
if u still want to wait believing that htc is ur friend then its ur call and best of luck with that. but after buying these costly handsets for last 6-7 years i know it very well that nokia, samsung, htc never going to keep their promises regarding firmwares.
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well obviously you have more experience with the smartphone stuff, my (first and) last one (before the hero) died in 2005... but i won't give up the hope
all i am saying is that this should be taken into consideration, before anyone starts a donation run that ends up having collected 160$ and a whole bunch of disappointed members...
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well obviously you have more experience with the smartphone stuff, my (first and) last one (before the hero) died in 2005... but i won't give up the hope
all i am saying is that this should be taken into consideration, before anyone starts a donation run that ends up having collected 160$ and a whole bunch of disappointed members...
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bro i completely understand what u wanna say as the money we want to donate has to be earned by hard work by us. but u be sure that it will be at least 4-5 months before u get full eclair for hero. and i recon if our devs work unitedly and gets some expert help from outside then its possible to get 2.6.29 kernel and other things in 1-1.5 month.
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And yes we'll have to wait a long time for HTC to release 2.6.29 Hero kernel sources
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Given that HTC haven't shipped a Hero with a 2.6.29 kernel, they have no requirement to do so!
HOWEVER......
What about the Tattoo? That's Donut, so it will have a 2.6.29 kernel, and therefore HTC must provide the kernel source. I'll wager there is some significant similarity between the kernel modifications required for Hero and those required for the Tattoo.
Perhaps it is time for us to start badgering HTC for the Tattoo kernel source!
FWIW, I've been trying to build a 2.6.29 kernel using a diff patch for AOSP 2.6.27 vs Hero 2.6.27, but I seem to be thwarted at every turn.
Regards,
Dave
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bro dont get me wrong......... but do u really beleive that htc is going to give us eclair in 1-2 months? i mean if they were this kind then why they dint kernel or source code for hero earlier? do u think htc will release better os for a phone which is already 7 months old rather upgrading the new released phones and releasing new handsets? bro those phone companies are here for doing business , not serving customer's after sales needs.
if u still want to wait believing that htc is ur friend then its ur call and best of luck with that. but after buying these costly handsets for last 6-7 years i know it very well that nokia, samsung, htc never going to keep their promises regarding firmwares.
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Ok i am speechless now .... i mean i have to agree with "dying4004"... These companies are really only making money and dont give a rat's ass about customer services and after sales... i mean thats the real logic behind it right... WOW u have opened my eyes dude ....
but BRO i wanted some insight into something that has been induced into our brains for so long... Without customers companies cant make money... i mean any one with a brain would obviously not go for a company that has screwed him over with false promises, right? Yet all the companies ( or should i say SATAN WORSHIPERS ) are still in the bidnes and still making money and people ( minions ) are still buying products from these companies...
i did some thinking and i remember i had a HTC diamond and the track pad was a bit faulty so i took it to the Htc service center and they REPLACED the trackpad !!! i mean what atrocity innit... EVIL EVIL EVIL ...
lolz ... dying4004 why are you against these companies and more so why are u hell bent on preaching a March-April release of Eclair for Hero.... i have seen u do that in other threads as well....
If u have had a bad experience with one of these companies, please do share coz i am begining to think that it will make for an interesting listen.
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Ok i am speechless now .... i mean i have to agree with "dying4004"... These companies are really only making money and dont give a rat's ass about customer services and after sales... i mean thats the real logic behind it right... WOW u have opened my eyes dude ....
but BRO i wanted some insight into something that has been induced into our brains for so long... Without customers companies cant make money... i mean any one with a brain would obviously not go for a company that has screwed him over with false promises, right? Yet all the companies ( or should i say SATAN WORSHIPERS ) are still in the bidnes and still making money and people ( minions ) are still buying products from these companies...
i did some thinking and i remember i had a HTC diamond and the track pad was a bit faulty so i took it to the Htc service center and they REPLACED the trackpad !!! i mean what atrocity innit... EVIL EVIL EVIL ...
lolz ... dying4004 why are you against these companies and more so why are u hell bent on preaching a March-April release of Eclair for Hero.... i have seen u do that in other threads as well....
If u have had a bad experience with one of these companies, please do share coz i am begining to think that it will make for an interesting listen.
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bro i am not against all those companies. i mean then i cant use any mobile phone. i am just practical. just see how the nokia users r complaining about firmwares for their high end phones. how much craving is going within the 5800 users for kinetic scrolling. check how much impatience is going through the samsung omnia i8910 users for a single new rom. see how u guys did for the source code for hero. what i am saying is simple......... it wont be a good idea to stop development of recent hero roms just for the sake of eclair which we dont know when gets release. rest is upto u. i cant force any1 to do anything. this is simply my personal experience with mobile phone manufacturers for last 7-8 years. cheers
Great post Lox_Dev and thank you for bring all the problems to our attention. It is heartbreaking to see such a great little phone be left to stew on the few HTC "released" roms out there. I dont confess to know that much about kernel building so I wont be much help there however I do believe we as a community can get there in the end! What I'm trying to say is dont give i
Lox_Dev
behnaam
adwinp
and of course Paul from MoDaCo who first started the ball rolling
we are all behind you guys!
I know its so different from cooking Windows rom (because I've tried myself) but I think in time anything can be done and please dont be put off by the lack of responses you get on this forum.
Now onto the positive .................... Once my internet connection at home gets sorted (VirginMedia to send me a replacement modem) I'll have another look at building a linux environment and jump aboard.
dying4004 said:
it wont be a good idea to stop development of recent hero roms just for the sake of eclair which we dont know when gets release. rest is upto u.
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If you are *so* concerned, what precisely is stopping you from doing this yourself?
Note, saying you don't know how is not good enough, because it can be learned.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
If you are *so* concerned, what precisely is stopping you from doing this yourself?
Note, saying you don't know how is not good enough, because it can be learned.
Regards,
Dave
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hey bro.... exactly where did i say that i dont know how to do and stuffs?? at 1sy read then post ur comments......... and in this thread i said i am willing to donate for the work and i asked others to donate as well to contribute in the way we can.
and i have made and posted 1 theme for hero and i have made another theme and i will post it tomorow. so read before u speak.
dying4004 said:
hey bro.... exactly where did i say that i dont know how to do and stuffs?? at 1sy read then post ur comments......... and in this thread i said i am willing to donate for the work and i asked others to donate as well to contribute in the way we can.
and i have made and posted 1 theme for hero and i have made another theme and i will post it tomorow. so read before u speak.
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(My emphasis!)
You should follow your own advice!
I asked a question:
If you are *so* concerned, what precisely is stopping you from doing this yourself?
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And then said:
Note, saying you don't know how is not good enough, because it can be learned.
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This is merely pointing out that if your *answer* to my question is "I don't know how to do it", you could always learn!
Nowhere do I say that you "dont know how to do and stuffs??".
And you still haven't answered the question!
Regards,
Dave
yes i am learning and i am excercising my knowledge in makling theme for the community. at least i am doing what i can. i am even willing to donate for the devs.
and what u r doing? shouting on ppl who can do sumthing and doing nothing urself as u cant even learn and want to use others works.
go learn sumthing, show us and then shout at others.
dying4004 said:
yes i am learning and i am excercising my knowledge in makling theme for the community. at least i am doing what i can. i am even willing to donate for the devs.
and what u r doing? shouting on ppl who can do sumthing and doing nothing urself as u cant even learn and want to use others works.
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I thought that was what you were doing?
I've never "shouted" at any one, or tried to push any one into doing something that is likely to be a waste of time due to the arrival of an HTC built 2.0 and which I personally *know* is extremely difficult.
How do I know?
Because I've tried it!!!!
Here's what I have done:
1. Built an Ubuntu development environment *expressly* for these purposes.
2. Downloaded the Hero kernel sources and the stock 2.6.27 sources.
3. Diff'd the two trees to see what needs patching
4. Downloaded the 2.6.29 kernel sources
5. Attemped to apply the patch from (3) to 2.6.29
6. Built the kernel
7. Put in on my phone, with the CleanION ROM.
8. Watched in awe as it just hung as the boot splash screen until I pulled the battery out.
Note that even getting the AOSP kernel source from the git repos proved to a hellishly time consuming task because the repos kept timing out and/or refusing connection!
Despite my efforts, I've not turned up *any* tangible results, which is why I've not bothered to mention them here. I'm at the point now where I don't know if I want to commit any further time and effort on what is essentially a fools errand. I'm not saying that my efforts were anything particularly "special", but certainly I can say with absolutely honesty that I've tried!
When Lox_Dev says "To port the changes to 2.6.29 kernel sources, we need an expert kernel developer witch our hero dev community lacks", I know for a fact that this is true, so it is getting quite irritating to keep hearing people who "don't know" telling those of us who "do know" that we should all be getting together to make it work!
So, in absolutely no way am I "shouting on ppl who can do sumthing and doing nothing urself as u cant even learn and want to use others works", because I have already expended far more time and effort than most.
go learn sumthing, show us and then shout at others.
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Once again, I suggest that you take your own advice!
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Dave
I'm all for working on porting AOSP Sapphire to the Hero, but some of us need a bit more guidance on getting their development/cooking environment set up. There's a shocking amount of information out there, and it makes breaking into the 'scene' a bit difficult.
Accelerometer should be the focus of our work (in my opinion) since without the keyboard, it's really hard to get some things done in the portrait mode. I'd love to focus on that, since the Google ION Rom with Donut makes me incredibly happy, with that exception.
okay, bros, just to contribute a little bit:
http://www.youtube.com/v/FLRqOuB798A
Seeing that, and imagining it's working 100% and running on our Hero's, really makes me hard.
We will get there. But yes, the path will be difficult. I also want to donate btw.
Anyway, HTC indeed doesn't give a F--- about our android OS. they will release 800*480 handsets in 1-3 months, and maybe won't even port the UI elements to our resolution/hero.
In a way, we are F---ed, we have a very old android handset, with not even half the capabilities of new ones like the droid or upcoming x10 or HTC handsets. And without the knowledge to port all of the new kernels (with parts missing, ie; the hero kernel supposedly had parts missing) they phone might even grow older every month. I a way I should be happy I payed 340 Euro instead of 480 or something..
So yeah, in a way I believe that the handset will be discontinued very shortly. The G1 has the community to back it up, people had it for more than a year and grew attached to it. The Hero does not have that luxury.
So while the hope lies in you, developers; aside from 'homebrew' i'm afraid the future is very bleak. HTC wants your money. They can target little girls tomorrow and kids who just want a 'cool' phone, and we will be left in the cold for children who get a new phone with the contract every year.
So power to the developers!