Color Depth? - Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking

Color Depth? - Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking

I don't know if anyone has touched on this but is WP7 going to have increase color depth from 16bit?
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Been looking around and haven't seen anything on it yet. The ZuneHD is 16-bit color so if thats anything then we are still looking at the same color depth.

I'd like a least a 18bits (262k) color depth!!! but a 24bits or 32bits would be awesomeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
Knowing the 16bits color depth of the zune we don't need to count on it!

How is this on other competing platform like iPhone and Android?
I know Nokia has 16 million colors (24 bits at least?).
No, BB and WebOS is not competing platform

Windows Mobile has been the only smartphone OS that runs at less than 24-bit colour for several years, now. (Although on many phones, regardless of OS, the actual colour depth the LCD display is capable of showing is lower than the colour depth the OS works at internally).

I guess it's really not that big of a deal. Unless your looking at a color gradient on your phone you can't really tell that the color depth isn't as high as it should be. All the pictures on my phone look pretty good, but it would be nice to see them move it to 24 or 32bit to get with the currect standard on most devices.
16-bit color (2^16 = 65536 colors)
24-bit color (2^24 = 16,777,216 colors)
32-bit color is 16,777,216 colors also but with 8-bits added for non-color items such as alpha, Z or bump data.

Kloc said:
Been looking around and haven't seen anything on it yet. The ZuneHD is 16-bit color so if thats anything then we are still looking at the same color depth.
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Lol, thats really ridicules because I was actually expecting full color for the 6.5 update.
And for me the lower colordeph is easily spotable in videos, at least on my oled device.

Kloc said:
All the pictures on my phone look pretty good
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Software which uses DirectDraw overlays is capable of overcoming the 16-bit limitation. I think the HTCAlbum picture viewer may do this; some of the pictures on my HD2 don't look like they are subject to 16-bit limitations.
If this is correct then it isn't safe to use the quality of pictures viewed in the Album as a fair measure of the impact of 16-bit colour.

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[Q] Which Display Mode You All Are Using?

As the title says, which display mode you are using and your thought on why?

I personally switched over to the most accurate mode, funny cause it's called, "Basic Mode." lol. If you use any of the "amoled" modes, it will give you that oversaturated colors. It took me like a couple days to get used to the "accurate" colors though just caues everything was so vibrant before. Personal choice really.
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boodies said:
I personally switched over to the most accurate mode, funny cause it's called, "Basic Mode." lol. If you use any of the "amoled" modes, it will give you that oversaturated colors. It took me like a couple days to get used to the "accurate" colors though just caues everything was so vibrant before. Personal choice really.
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Ya i'm giving basic a try its different but color accuracy is nice.

I went to basic for accuracy then went back to adaptive because I like the way it makes colors pop.
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Basic, all my tvs are calibrated to D65/REC709 and it's nice to finally have a phone that can reproduce this.

started with adaptive the switched to basic and it just seems right

Been using photo.
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NYYFan02 said:
Basic, all my tvs are calibrated to D65/REC709 and it's nice to finally have a phone that can reproduce this.
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Here are some bit on the Rec709 ^_^ It can probably reproduce them better too!
The Basic screen mode provides a very accurate Color and White Point calibration for the Standard sRGB/Rec.709 Color Gamut that is used in virtually all current consumer content for digital cameras, HDTVs, the internet, and computers, including photos, videos, and movies. The Color Gamut of the Basic screen mode is very accurate, with a nearly perfect 101 percent of the Standard sRGB/Rec.709 Color Gamut. Even better, the Absolute Color Accuracy for the Basic screen mode is an impressive 1.5 JNCD, the most color accurate display that we have ever measured for a Smartphone or Tablet, which is visually indistinguishable from perfect, and is very likely considerably better than your living room TV.
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Why is color accuracy important?
Color Accuracy is especially important when viewing photos from family and friends (because you often know exactly what they actually should look like), for some TV shows, movies, and sporting events with image content and colors that you are familiar with, and also for viewing online merchandise, so you have a very good idea of exactly what colors you are buying and are less likely to return them.
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DisplayMate

I love the way adaptive goes color-crazy in bright sunlight, it's like turning the brightness to 11

Lol it goes to "11" brightness in all the other modes ad well.

I tried basic, the onlynthing i noticed is it gave a warmer yellow tint to white. None of the modes mute the oversaturation of colors on this phone. At least it doesnt on mine.I like the pop so it doesnt bother me. If oversaturation is a problem, you should consider an iphone.

abacus0101 said:
I tried basic, the onlynthing i noticed is it gave a warmer yellow tint to white. None of the modes mute the oversaturation of colors on this phone. At least it doesnt on mine.I like the pop so it doesnt bother me. If oversaturation is a problem, you should consider an iphone.
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Actually if you consider oversaturation a problem, go to basic mode. It has more accurate colors than the iphones. Here's displamate. Samsung is KING when it comes to display.
Basic Mode with the Standard sRGB / Rec.709 Color Gamut
The Basic screen mode provides a very accurate Color and White Point calibration for the Standard sRGB/Rec.709 Color Gamut that is used in virtually all current consumer content for digital cameras, HDTVs, the internet, and computers, including photos, videos, and movies. The Color Gamut of the Basic screen mode is very accurate, with a nearly perfect 101 percent of the Standard sRGB/Rec.709 Color Gamut. Even better, the Absolute Color Accuracy for the Basic screen mode is an impressive 1.5 JNCD, the most color accurate display that we have ever measured for a Smartphone or Tablet, which is visually indistinguishable from perfect, and is very likely considerably better than your living room TV.
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Trying basic now. It starting to grow on me.
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I like the adapt mode, but then I had a problem getting a good night exposure with the camera. Finally I realized it was the display mode screwing with how the photo was displayed, not the photo itself, and I've been on basic ever since. Love it.
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Is there any reason to believe that the display mode could drastically change battery life? Logically i cant think of a reason it would, but the only change ive made in the last 2 days is from adaptive to basic, and my battery doesnt seem to be draining near as fast as it had.

Basic is the best.
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Mr.Marc said:
Ya i'm giving basic a try its different but color accuracy is nice.
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Agreed 100%.

Basic is the most accurate phone display I've ever seen color wise and beats the iPhone 6 and 6 plus easily.

HDR 10 bit color space recording on Galaxy s9+

Any word on the s9+ model recording HDR 10 bit color space at 4K 24fps?

24fps = pleb framerate
Expect [email protected], possibly with 10-bit. Both the Snapdragon 845 and Exynos 9810 support 10-bit [email protected] (120fps for the Exynos), but it's up to Samsung to enable it, and it's also up to the camera sensor to support it.

Since there is no consumer screen on the market that fully supports 10bit colors i highly doubt that well be able to record in 10bit...
the hdr thing nowadays is a big marketing thing, the colors are mostly achieved by high brightness and boostes saturation/contrast instead of true 10bit colors
at my uni we had a screen that supported nearly 10bit, it costs 1000€ per inch... i can tell you there is a huge difference between samsung hpone screens and a 30.000€ hdr screen

LG v30 records 10 bit color space.
LG v30 records 10 bit color space. It is true. If s9 does not record 10 bit color space and hdr then it is what it is not because screens cant support it or anything else...it would be because they choose not to.

0alfred0 said:
Since the are is no consumer screen on the market that fully supports 10bit colors i highly doubt that well be able to record in 10bit...
the hdr thing nowadays is a big marketing thing, the colors are mostly achieved by high brightness and boostes saturation/contrast instead of true 10bit colors
at my uni we had a screen that supported nearly 10bit, it costs 1000€ per inch... i can tell you there is a huge difference between samsung hpone screens and a 30.000€ hdr screen
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really? i Like the HDR on S8+

gtaelbordo said:
really? i Like the HDR on S8+
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I know, I am not saying samsung and other phones have bad screens, but calling the "high brightness and overly saturated mode" hdr is just marketing...
Once you read about what UHD means, you will understand that we are years from true UHD.
Also HDR has so many requirements that are not matched in today's screens.
Anyway: the "HDR" mode on our phones makes the best of our screens. 10bit colors is not something that one can be achieved easily, the screens might be able to display more than 8bit but it highly depends on the manufacturer and it is not close to 10bit (btw 10bit color depth for each color: red green and blue means 4 times as many colors... Don't let the "2bit difference" fool you.)
Since Samsung makes best screens, I think they are the way to go. But don't let them fool you guys, in 5 years we will laugh about what we called HDR in 2018.

0alfred0 said:
I know, I am not saying samsung and other phones have bad screens, but calling the "high brightness and overly saturated mode" hdr is just marketing...
Once you read about what UHD means, you will understand that we are years from true UHD.
Also HDR has so many requirements that are not matched in today's screens.
Anyway: the "HDR" mode on our phones makes the best of our screens. 10bit colors is not something that one can be achieved easily, the screens might be able to display more than 8bit but it highly depends on the manufacturer and it is not close to 10bit (btw 10bit color depth for each color: red green and blue means 4 times as many colors... Don't let the "2bit difference" fool you.)
Since Samsung makes best screens, I think they are the way to go. But don't let them fool you guys, in 5 years we will laugh about what we called HDR in 2018.
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i now its just marketing with all these hdr tv's... and i know uhd is no real UHD.
hm okay i want buy an TV but no idea which one.. all are fake hdr and doenst have a 10bit panel.. Poor customers who get fooled

gtaelbordo said:
i now its just marketing with all these hdr tv's... and i know uhd is no real UHD.
hm okay i want buy an TV but no idea which one.. all are fake hdr and doenst have a 10bit panel.. Poor customers who get fooled
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Whoa, there guys. Remember that bit depth and color space are different things, and while they overlap bit depth is not how screens and media are calibrated. Also, wide color gamut (WCG) and HDR are COMPLETELY different things; some refer to WCG as "HDR color", and HDR as "HDR brightness" which is why there is so much confusion. Don't cross your streams when talking about these things.
Most PANELS are aimed at SRGB (most phones, 1080p TVs and computer monitors) or DCI-P3 (high-end phones, OLED/Quantum Dot TVs, professional montors). However, most IMAGE PROCESSORS (GPUs, TV processors, monitor drivers) push out whatever the panel is capable of if configured properly. That means even your basic entry-level TVs (say, a Vizio E-series) that is capable of displaying ~80% of DCI-P3 (or 55% of rec.2020/full 10-bit) is still going to be FAR better than your best 1080p TV, gaming monitor or non-flagship phone that is only capable of 65% DCI-P3 or 50% of 10-bit (remember than 10 bit is BILLIONS of colors and 5% of a billion is 50 MILLION more colors). That extra color depth is used by the image processor to do smoother color gradients so every bit helps. Also remember that even if your camera is capable of full 10-bit (hint: it almost certainly isn't), you are going to be mastering that content on a screen that is only capable of displaying less than 80% of the colors the images contain. in fact, most 4k BD movies (the best quality content generally available) are mastered to rec.709 (effectively the same bit depth as DCI-P3) so even if your TV could do more than 80% of 10-bit, it would just end up not using the extra color information or using an algorithm to upscale it.

True Colors

Could anyone suggest me if there is a way to make the Pixel 2 display colors the most true to life they could be?
I mean. The the standard color setting are pretty messed up! I mean. There's a super saturated mode and two under-saturated modes.
What's a good kcal profile that I apply to make things such that editing photos and seeing content is the most true, like it's supposed to look like on every phone.
Blacks are extremely crushed (even dark gray displays as black)
Colors are too saturated
Contrast too pumped
If I compare my screen to the one of the iPhone X, the photos on the iPhone look much more real, less muted.

Screen Calibration

Can anyone share their screen calibration settings? I wanna get the best whites possible. On my N9 I used to decrease the reds all the way to zero and my greens about halfway but this is a new phone with a different display and those settings aren't doing the same thing. So I just wanted to know what everyone was doing. Thanks.

I think natural mode supposed to be pretty much calibrated already and if you still wanted to tweak it more there is cool/warm white balance slider and rgb sliders.
There is whole bunch of tests here http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note10_ShootOut_1G.htm.

roaduardo said:
Can anyone share their screen calibration settings? I wanna get the best whites possible. On my N9 I used to decrease the reds all the way to zero and my greens about halfway but this is a new phone with a different display and those settings aren't doing the same thing. So I just wanted to know what everyone was doing. Thanks.
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I think natural mode supposed to be pretty much calibrated already and if you still wanted to tweak it more there is cool/warm white balance slider and rgb sliders.
There is whole bunch of tests here http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note10_ShootOut_1G.htm.
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Natural mode can't be further adjusted. You have to choose Vivid to adjust RGB and color temp.
As far as best settings, it's difficult to say what yours should be. If the Note 10 is anything like the Note 8 or Note 9, you can lay four of them down next to each other with stock settings and they will all be different.
My Note 10+ seemed to have too much green tint and maybe just slightly cool. I left temp alone and just knocked green down one notch. But honestly, these screens are so close to perfect you can just leave it stock. Just play around with it, adjust it back and forth until it looks good to YOU. You're the one staring at it.

I have compared four Note 10+'s side by side, and all had different white points. Also, Natural mode was significantly greenish (maybe slightly yellow too) on all four devices. Personally, I feel like my Note8 has a better panel.

According to article I linked above and here again http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_No...hootOut_1G.htm Natural mode supposed to be calibrated and automatically switch between sRGB and DCI-P3 depending on content. (I guess sRGB for pictures and web, DCI-P3 for 4k TV) and can't be easily adjusted. Then there is Vivid mode which uses full color gamut, display is capable of showing and you can adjust it with sliders to your liking or calibrate using instruments. I can't tell you if all phones are properly adjusted at factory (probably not), but according to article the one they had was right on the money and mine seems to be fine as well. BTW the eye can be easily fooled and calibrating instruments are the proper way to adjust it, if you need it. Yet, it is my phone, I don't use it for pro use, so I adjust it the way I like it and mine is set as vivid and gray seems to be neutral gray as far as I can tell without any tinkering. YDMW.

ffolkes said:
I have compared four Note 10+'s side by side, and all had different white points. Also, Natural mode was significantly greenish (maybe slightly yellow too) on all four devices. Personally, I feel like my Note8 has a better panel.
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One of the failings on Android, no color calibration.
You simple can't do it by eye and get all the parameters right.
It's fine for viewing but not editing photos until a company like Spyder steps up to the plate with a 3rd party calibration apk and tool.
Mine seemed best in natural mode with a slight amount of red added with an overlay apk and night mode turned at about the 10 or 20% level.
Lol, enough.
Just don't edit photo colors, temps etc. with or you may get a very rude surprise.

Question Got my 6 Pro but feeling a little underwhelmed with the screen

Hi,
First of all I am coming from the OP 8 Pro which has a beautiful screen and whites are whites let me get that out of the way first of all.
The customisation Google allows users to do to OUR screens is ridiculous imo.
No RGB, No wide colour gamut and no white balance adjustment.
Is there anyway to get rid of the awful yellow/green on blacks on these screens without root?
Also is there any way to remove material you or at least allow Black/White in the accent colours? I mean come on Google WTAF were they thinking, I don't want any accent on my screen to be crappy coloured it looks washed out with any of the 4 colours.
Also the Normal/Boosted and Adaptive are all weak imo still nowhere near as nice looking as my OP 8 Pro in Wide colour gamut mode.
I have 1 week before I decide what I am doing with this but right now I look at my OP 8 Pro screen and then my Pixel 6 Pro screen and it looks like total puke.
Sorry have to be honest to die hard Google fans, Since Google started to calibrate warm screens since the Pixel 4 XL which I duly sent back also I haven't had a Pixel since then until now and they still are not listening to their customers it seems.

Nope there isn't. Some people prefer overblown colors, others prefer a more muted - dare I say - natural looking screen.
I agree that the level of customisation is lacking and I understand your frustrations. But having had many different devices through the years, you'll usually adapt to the difference in color temperature and gamut over time and that'll become your new standard. It is much like sound from speakers - one initially prefers the sound one is accustomed to and over time either grows to love the new sound profile or keep despising it.

Ady1976 said:
Hi,
First of all I am coming from the OP 8 Pro which has a beautiful screen and whites are whites let me get that out of the way first of all.
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According to this... (display tests)
Pixel 6 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/google-pixel-6-pro-display-review/
Position in Global Ranking #6
Position in Ultra-Premium Ranking #5
OP 8 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/oneplus-8-pro-display-review-color-rendering-a-strength/
Position in Global Ranking #20
You did mention that you have problems with "whites are whites" with your Pixel and not with your OnePlus - maybe you have a defective screen. My P6 Pros display has no problems with whites, yellows or green. Everything fine here.

vPro97 said:
Nope there isn't. Some people prefer overblown colors, others prefer a more muted - dare I say - natural looking screen.
I agree that the level of customisation is lacking and I understand your frustrations. But having had many different devices through the years, you'll usually adapt to the difference in color temperature and gamut over time and that'll become your new standard. It is much like sound from speakers - one initially prefers the sound one is accustomed to and over time either grows to love the new sound profile or keep despising it.
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I think the colours are probably just about ok at boosted or adaptive what is making them look even more is the materail you and the warm yellow screen calibration, It doesn't help with colours or whites on any screen even TV's.
Me personally like any TV or Monitor or any screen for that matter they should be configurable to any user, the way google sets their phones up is like a stick it or lump it attitude and it really is not winning me over, People would not keep a TV they were not happy with if the picture could not be adjusted and so goes the same for mobile phone screens and to be quite frank Google the last few years or so have gone worse in terms of screen customisation, Even dare I say it Apple (Cough cough) has white balance adjustments, Why for the love of god do Google not add more screen options, I think I may send it back if nothing can be done, If I could have at least selected black/white is accent colours that would have helped a little for the rest of the green puke on blacks but this screen is just not sharp to me, Even the font they use looks unclear compared to my OP 8 Pro, Weird as it sounds as I have never been a OP fan but they have nailed the screens lately and have a ton of customisation options to boot.
I may wait for the OP 10 Pro, Somehow I don't think I can live with a device that you use for hours each day and is the most important factor imo.

Morgrain said:
According to this... (display tests)
Pixel 6 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/google-pixel-6-pro-display-review/
Position in Global Ranking #6
Position in Ultra-Premium Ranking #5
OP 8 Pro https://www.dxomark.com/oneplus-8-pro-display-review-color-rendering-a-strength/
Position in Global Ranking #20
You did mention that you have problems with "whites are whites" with your Pixel and not with your OnePlus - maybe you have a defective screen. My P6 Pros display has no problems with whites, yellows or green. Everything fine here.
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HI,
It's my second P6 Pro I received yesterday and they both look exactly the same, They have been calibrated warm as Google has been doing for a few years now and not having enough configurable display options to allow the user to configure their devcie to their liking, I don't expect miracles but I expect a flagship phone to be adjustable to my needs and likes.
I prefer the cool white look and this is screen is not that, Doesn't look as bad in daylight but in duller darker rooms is looks awful to my eyes, Font is too bold, No black accent colour to get rid off the green puke on blacks because of material you and no white balance adjustment just sucks for a premium device imo.
I will see if I can take a picture both side by side so people can see how white my OP 8 Pro is but sometimes cameras take half assed pics of screens.

Ady1976 said:
I think the colours are probably just about ok at boosted or adaptive what is making them look even more is the materail you and the warm yellow screen calibration, It doesn't help with colours or whites on any screen even TV's.
Me personally like any TV or Monitor or any screen for that matter they should be configurable to any user, the way google sets their phones up is like a stick it or lump it attitude and it really is not winning me over, People would not keep a TV they were not happy with if the picture could not be adjusted and so goes the same for mobile phone screens and to be quite frank Google the last few years or so have gone worse in terms of screen customisation, Even dare I say it Apple (Cough cough) has white balance adjustments, Why for the love of god do Google not add more screen options, I think I may send it back if nothing can be done, If I could have at least selected black/white is accent colours that would have helped a little for the rest of the green puke on blacks but this screen is just not sharp to me, Even the font they use looks unclear compared to my OP 8 Pro, Weird as it sounds as I have never been a OP fan but they have nailed the screens lately and have a ton of customisation options to boot.
I may wait for the OP 10 Pro, Somehow I don't think I can live with a device that you use for hours each day and is the most important factor imo.
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It's not your imagination. Color rendering on all variable rate displays has suffered. Between the variable refresh rate and adjustable brightness accurate color rendering is a casualty.
I haven't use any of the variable refresh rate displays because of this. There are complaints about all manufacturers/models and the P6 has gotten more than its share.
My color perception is in the top 1% of the population. Someone who is at 80% etc can't even see what I can in color shifts. As you ability to perceive color increases so will your expectations. Poor color rendering in a display is extremely annoying to me.
As far as fixed refresh rate displays go the Note 10+ is still near or at the top of the heap for color rendering. It surpasses all the variable refresh rate displays for color rendering.
However starting with the N20U, the S21U and the Fold 3 with variable rate displays the color rendering index dropped. These displays are extremely hard for the manufacturer to color calibrate even for Samsung who are on the bleeding edge of commercial AMOLED technology.
If the small decrease in color rendering is perceivable depends perhaps of the user but it's definitely measurable. It has dropped on all the variable rate displays currently available.
One reason I'm still happily using 2 yo technology...

Use night light to reallllly make it yellow then turn it off, it'll look more whiter for you orrrrr don't buy a pixel lol

blackhawk said:
It's not your imagination. Color rendering on all variable rate displays has suffered. Between the variable refresh rate and adjustable brightness accurate color rendering is a casualty.
I haven't use any of the variable refresh rate displays because of this. There are complaints about all manufacturers/models and the P6 has gotten more than its share.
My color perception is in the top 1% of the population. Someone who is at 80% etc can't even see what I can in color shifts. As you ability to perceive color increases so will your expectations. Poor color rendering in a display is extremely annoying to me.
As far as fixed refresh rate displays go the Note 10+ is still near or at the top of the heap for color rendering. It surpasses all the variable refresh rate displays for color rendering.
However starting with the N20U, the S21U and the Fold 3 with variable rate displays the color rendering index dropped. These displays are extremely hard for the manufacturer to color calibrate even for Samsung who are on the bleeding edge of commercial AMOLED technology.
If the small decrease in color rendering is perceivable depends perhaps of the user but it's definitely measurable. It has dropped on all the variable rate displays currently available.
One reason I'm still happily using 2 yo technology...
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Hey funny you should say that because my Sony TV doesn't look that good at 120hz neither, Colours change from 60hz to 120hz.
But my OP 8 Pro is pure white and good colours, All I can think of they calibrated it for the highest resolution which to be honest is what Google should have done.

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Use night light to reallllly make it yellow then turn it off, it'll look more whiter for you orrrrr don't buy a pixel lol
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Yep it's the reason I sent the 4XL back lol, I'd have thought that many would have complained in the meantime since the last 2 gens and Google would have done something about it, Maybe my eyes are sensitive to screen setup quality or colour or something but I don't rate this screen at all.

blackhawk said:
It's not your imagination. Color rendering on all variable rate displays has suffered. Between the variable refresh rate and adjustable brightness accurate color rendering is a casualty.
I haven't use any of the variable refresh rate displays because of this. There are complaints about all manufacturers/models and the P6 has gotten more than its share.
My color perception is in the top 1% of the population. Someone who is at 80% etc can't even see what I can in color shifts. As you ability to perceive color increases so will your expectations. Poor color rendering in a display is extremely annoying to me.
As far as fixed refresh rate displays go the Note 10+ is still near or at the top of the heap for color rendering. It surpasses all the variable refresh rate displays for color rendering.
However starting with the N20U, the S21U and the Fold 3 with variable rate displays the color rendering index dropped. These displays are extremely hard for the manufacturer to color calibrate even for Samsung who are on the bleeding edge of commercial AMOLED technology.
If the small decrease in color rendering is perceivable depends perhaps of the user but it's definitely measurable. It has dropped on all the variable rate displays currently available.
One reason I'm still happily using 2 yo technology...
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Agree about VRR but my s21U @120 Hz display looks *Much* better than my P6P display. The colour is much more vibrant. The P6P display looks dull and yellow IMHO. I'm very underwhelmed by it

Ady1976 said:
Yep it's the reason I sent the 4XL back lol, I'd have thought that many would have complained in the meantime since the last 2 gens and Google would have done something about it, Maybe my eyes are sensitive to screen setup quality or colour or something but I don't rate this screen at all.
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Agreed. I don't think it's a very good panel maybe B+ overall.

Batfink33 said:
Agree about VRR but my s21U @120 Hz display looks *Much* better than my P6P display. The colour is much more vibrant. The P6P display looks dull and yellow IMHO. I'm very underwhelmed by it
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I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint - Pixels are calibrated between a mix of what most TV makers call Warm I/II (which most consider as "accurate")), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION! GREEN IS GREEN! AND THAT MEANS COMIC GREEN! VIBRANT MAXIMUS! (there are thousands and thousands of hues of green, but not with an oversaturated phone...)".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.

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There's even noticeable PWM on my P6P that the s21U doesn't have.
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Interesting. My family has many S21Us and I've noticed flicker on their phones, but not on my P6 Pro. In the end it's a question of sensitivity I guess. Every modern flagshipphone flickers/ has PMW (Iphones, Samsungs, Pixels...), so in the end I'd say get the device that's best for your eyes/headaches.
According to https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsu...proved-in-many-ways-but-not-all.517524.0.html the S21 Ultra has
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I looked for a test with the P6 Pro, but haven't found such a graphic yet.

Morgrain said:
Interesting. My family has many S21Us and I've noticed flicker on their phones, but not on my P6 Pro. In the end it's a question of sensitivity I guess. Every modern flagshipphone flickers/ has PMW (Iphones, Samsungs, Pixels...), so in the end I'd say get the device that's best for your eyes/headaches.
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Of course, you should get the display you like. A lot is probably subjective anyway.

Batfink33 said:
Agreed. I don't think it's a very good panel maybe B+ overall.
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I don't know if it is the panel or the way it has been configured but the more you turn the brightness up the more washed out it gets unlike my OP 8 Pro it is just clear right the way through, However I agree it is not pleasing to my eyes at all, The font for the status bar looks blurry, No white accent to get rid of the puke and can't disable that theming nonsense look, While this may look good to some it does not to me at all.

Morgrain said:
I still don't get why people think that vibrant colors are "good". Cranking up the brightness and reducing the color palette down to 20 colors might be feasible for a comic, but for an everyday device, depicting all kinds of content? I'd rather have color accuracy. Samsung is known for oversaturating the heck out of their phones, ergo yes a Pixel might seem "dull" to you (not sure why you say yellow, my phone has no yellow hue/tint - Pixels are calibrated between a mix of what most TV makers call Warm I/II (which most consider as "accurate")), even though to other ears that's a positive point, since that's called "accurate" and many like it.
Just take a look at icons... you can't tell me that they don't look different on your Pixel. That they don't have color shades and color transitions that you can't see in a Samsung. That's an accurate image - to show you exactly what the creator of the content envisioned. They surely don't want people to lose access to all kinds of details for the sake of "MUST LOOK VIBRANT! KABOOM SATURATION! GREEN IS GREEN! AND THAT MEANS COMIC GREEN! VIBRANT MAXIMUS! (there are thousands and thousands of hues of green, but not with an oversaturated phone...)".
Colors in life are rarely flashy, vibrant and glorious. They are dull, sad and weak. Only few colors are dashing. And the Pixel depicts that. But only those. It doesn't artifically crank up every color to the max, just to "please" the uneducated mind.
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Yes but question do you watch everyday TV programs with Warm 1 or Warm 2 as it is known on Sony TV's? I am going to stick my neck out and say you probably don't as most Warm profiles on TV's is for Movies only not everyday use and the fact is I can adjust it on my TV back to neutral without that yellow look.
As for the colours yes they do look natural and just about right but it's that washed out look that makes the colours look even more muted, No point having a good colour profile and then washing them out all with yellow is there lets be honest it does not make sense and never has why they do this on a device that you look at 99% of the time and 9 times out of 10 your not watching movies on it anyway.
Also not just the yellow tint you have to put up with on these P 6's and Pro's it's even that crappy material you that you can't turn and so no mater what wallpaper you use it's adding yet another layer of colour on top of the yellow already, So you've got yellow and 1 of them 4 accent colours messing everything up, My problem is with Google is they are not helping at all by not allowing users to configure their screens, You would not in a million years as an enthusiast purchase a TV that you cannot configure the screen for so.

Ady1976 said:
I don't know if it is the panel or the way it has been configured but the more you turn the brightness up the more washed out it gets unlike my OP 8 Pro it is just clear right the way through, However I agree it is not pleasing to my eyes at all, The font for the status bar looks blurry, No white accent to get rid of the puke and can't disable that theming nonsense look, While this may look good to some it does not to me at all.
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To each their own I suppose. I had the OP 8 Pro before the P6P, and I prefer the P6P's display. The OP 8 Pro would give me a headache after a while of viewing, and the P6P's display does not.
I also prefer the more natural colors of the P6P than the exceedingly vibrant, almost cartoonish-like colors of the Samsung, and OP displays to a lesser extent.

Ady1976 said:
I don't know if it is the panel or the way it has been configured but the more you turn the brightness up the more washed out it gets unlike my OP 8 Pro it is just clear right the way through, However I agree it is not pleasing to my eyes at all, The font for the status bar looks blurry, No white accent to get rid of the puke and can't disable that theming nonsense look, While this may look good to some it does not to me at all.
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That's interesting you said about the font looking blurry, this is something I also see but I don't know whats causing it, text looks grainy to me. I don't know the technical reason or why but there's a kind of grain to the display that I can see.

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