Hi Everyone,
Tell me, why would anyone actually choose an iPhone over a Desire/N1?
As I see it, the only thing an iPhone has over the Desire is the volume of apps, but can you give me a list of what the Desire/N1 has over the iPhone?
Speaking as someone who has had WinMo, Nokias etc. I can honestly say that my iPhone 3GS is the best device I have ever had. User interface is functional and simple and I can find an app for everything - plus the apps are mature. JB adds a new level to it, and provides the customisability that I love to do.
What I don't like about the iPhone is the restrictive nature of it, with the extreme control that Apple has. Ofc i have jailbroken the iPhone but Apple are making it increasingly harder to do this and I fear we are not far away from them making it near impossible to do so (hell you already have a situation with the newest phones having a tethered jb - i.e. they need to re-jb if their phone loses power, or is rebooted).
That being said, and my heart being in Linux land, my next phone will hopefully be the HTC Desire. I love the customisability of Android, the less restrictive nature, and for someone like me, I reckon i'll get more fun out of it.
The Desire's hardware beats a 3GS hand down. Android is getting there but is not as mature (obviously) as the iPhone OS, and nor are its Apps. But they are getting there. The Desire is a good enough handset that in a years time, Android really will be competing with the iPhone and your hardware will still be capable.
My wife will get the iPhone....
because the iPhone has the best apps. when it comes down to it, that's all the average smartphone user cares about...
orlandojumpoff said:
because the iPhone has the best apps. when it comes down to it, that's all the average smartphone user cares about...
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And that's the discussion I keep having with my mates. With the Desire's hardware and Eclair+Sense, the only real thing that the stock iPhone 3GS has going for it now is the apps. My argument there is that once a developer has perfected their app on/for the iPhone they'll likely(/hopefully) then be seeking the challenge, and the revenue(?), from launching it on the Android Market. The Desire's/N1's/Droid's hardware specs and Eclair's open customizability and capability would then allow them to take it to the next level.
1. Better UI controls. Android has great homescreens but when it comes to app UI controls, it lags behind Android.
2. More and Better casual applications. Many more games. Can be purchased around the world in 70+ countries. Much more free/promotion games compared to Android.
3. Better camera than the camera of most Androids.
A couple of things the Desire has going for it vs the iPhone:
*Camera: 5MP w/ flash vs 3MP w/o flash
*Screen resolution: 800x480 vs 480x320
*Battery: I can't back this up but I'm guessing the AMOLED display will drain less juice than the iPhone's traditional backlit LCD. Also, removable battery is always better than non-removable.
*Multi-tasking vs no multi-tasking
*Non-obstructive notications
*Useful information on homescreen vs just a bunch of icons
*File explorer
*Text reflow in browser
*Hardware buttons!
On Iphone run a Graphic Engine. Android can runs only a java application.
Luthermax said:
On Iphone run a Graphic Engine. Android can runs only a java application.
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what? This post makes no sense what so ever.
you mean it has a GPU? And are you implying that android phones do not have one?
Maybe you should read up on programming for android:
http://developer.android.com/guide/basics/what-is-android.html
JTHM said:
Tell me, why would anyone actually choose an iPhone over a Desire/N1?
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I went from Nexus One to iPhone 3G S because of iPhone has much better quality apps. Apps make sense as they are thoughtfully designed and hence are easy to use unlike some Android applications which have every feature under the sun but are unintuitive. A good example of this is Astrid.
The good news is 2Do developer have confirmed they are working on 2Do port for Android. Then you will all understand what I am trying to say.
Also, iPhone has much much better games then Android.
raven2000 said:
I went from Nexus One to iPhone 3G S because of iPhone has much better quality apps. Apps make sense as they are thoughtfully designed and hence are easy to use unlike some Android applications which have every feature under the sun but are unintuitive. A good example of this is Astrid.
The good news is 2Do developer have confirmed they are working on 2Do port for Android. Then you will all understand what I am trying to say.
Also, iPhone has much much better games then Android.
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I just find the iphone very limited, I've had the 3GS for a month and I'm terribly bored of it. The only reason I still use it over my old touch pro is because it's faster for web browsing.
Android sounds like the kind of OS I want, very customizable very flexable.
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because the iPhone has the best apps. when it comes down to it, that's all the average smartphone user cares about...
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Exactly I love the apps and games I got on my Ipod touch but I wouldn't buy an Iphone cause I dont like that Att crappy service.
All hardware aside, you have to approach this as a standard customer. Said customer buys into what marketing sells; buys into all the hype generated around the fanboys spread across the internet; buys what they are told to buy.
Because of the market saturation, apps developed for the iphonepods will be more cared for and mature a lot faster. Facebook is a prime example of this. If you don't use facebook then this example is lost on you The iphone has a fantastic fbook app that keeps you in the app and offers almost all the same functionality as you would find in a desktop browser; almost. Fbook on android however...not even close. This is a deal breaker for those who live and die with fbook.
So you have a bajillion apps being sold every second in apple's app store generating a ****ton of revenue for all involved giving people reason to create solid apps. There is some pretty solid DRM involved (though not unbreakable ) preventing app piracy which leaves the devs with a peace of mind.
Now take the android world. While android is found on more devices now than I could possibly think of, the average user would never know it. There is no advertising (well nothing compared to the viral campaigning apple has successfully pulled off), no customer draw...android is, for the most part, word of mouth.
So with the above in mind, the numbers just are not there for developers to devote a ton of time into making apps comparable to what you will find on the iphone...not yet anyways.
App protection is another biggie. So with both platforms you require the device to be unlocked/rooted in order to get around this. With the android platform it's a bit easier; once you have root, you have free apps. With the iphone it's a bit trickier but still very doable; one layer beyond simply rooting (jailbreaking). Don't kid yourself if you think devs are not aware of this.
Thankfully, the majority of users on both platforms don't use their powers for evil or we would see a serious drop in apps I bet.
So why would anyone choose an iphone? Apps and itunes.
Apps are a big deal; they are a means to keep in touch with friends and family, they are a means to get unlost, to get lost, to waste time, to save time...the better the app, the more efficient you can do all of these tasks.
People want to carry their music with them. Love it or hate it, itunes is here to stay and a ton of people have fully entrusted their music to itunes. an iphone means everything in itunes is easily synced.
Personally, I went from dumbphones to winmo (moto Q on verizon) to the g1 (t-mobile) and never returned to winmo. I switched to att from tmo and without really thinking about it, I gave my g1 to a friend in favour of an iphone3g. I should have just kept my g1 on edge on att...now while still on att, I am happily back to android with my nexus one. For me, everything stated above carries zero weight in value compared to the freedom I have with my n1.
...thursday rants are fun
Simply because Average Joe (or Jane for my part) doesn't read XDA
I think the more appropriate question is "Why would anyone choose the iPhone?".
Consider this scenario:
You're playing a casual game and listening to your music at the same time. You want to change to another playlist. You can't even do that without completely exiting your game.
I can't fathom using a supposedly smart device that can't even handle that simple of a multi-task.
I think the reason why iphone is still a big winner is only because of the apps and games.
Do u guys think good apps make a good OS?
Why Windows is still now the most popular OS?
Daemos said:
I just find the iphone very limited, I've had the 3GS for a month and I'm terribly bored of it. The only reason I still use it over my old touch pro is because it's faster for web browsing.
Android sounds like the kind of OS I want, very customizable very flexable.
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I have had a variety of smartphones from Blackberrys, to Android. My android phones are by far the best ones. I have up my iphone and ordered the G1 for the original release date. Even though at that time it was not on the same level as the Iphone it opened the door for us to have phones like the Nexus One, Desire, Legend, Moto Droid...ect.....tons of phones that give us choices. My Nexus one out the box was amazing, rooting the thing made it even more ridiculous.
As many of you have said previously, the only thing that I can see is better on iPhone than on Desire / Nexus is the Games, so I do not understand yet why you pay so much more if you buy this just for games? why not buy an iPod if you want the games/mp3.
Because its the trendy thing to buy.
I brought an ipod touch when they first came out. I was sick of it within a day. The apps are pretty well junk or gimmicks, I brought a ton of them never use them.
Games yeah right, maybe sitting in the car waiting for someone but really there crap and you are better off just getting on the net and reading XDA
There also to big to put in your pocket and use as an mp3 player.
But good on apple for marketing to the sheep so well and there about to do it again with the ipad!
Hi ,
I had HTC HD , and now i am on my way to buy a new Phone.
I wont buy 3GS , because in 3 months we will have a new Iphone , so that will be sucky sucky. on the other hand - if i pay so much for a phone i want to be able to play on it , and i saw some tests , showing Iphone has much more FPS in games.
is it a GPU thing ? if so , why would i buy the Desire.
currently this is the only thing -
if Desire had good games with good quality 3D and nice FPS . no reason to even consider 3GS or any iPhone .
Hardware (processor speed) comparisons are simply "wrong". Numbers on paper mean nothing because the OS software are not the same. Don't know why people don't get this...
That video that idandush referred is a good example.
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Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
I've only just been reading up on both phones, so take what I say with a grain of salt:
The Iphone may be a better for multimedia playback, due to the inclusion of 3.5mm jack and notably good sound quality. Also, the casual game selection is fairly good. If you want more functionality/versality, definitely consider jailbreaking the iphone, otherwise it's not really comparable to the TP2. Check out ipodtouchfans.com, they cater to jailbroken iphones/itouches.
If you're looking for something to be truly productive on, particularly in a business environment (kind of reminds me of a mini-netbook), consider the TP2. If you want a multimedia PDA with great sound, consider the iphone. If you want a fair mix of both, the Samsung Omnia II (coming to Verizon, no hard keyboard) looks to have potential.
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
For users that just want a touch screen phone with a very slick interface with everything ready to go and nothing to tamper with to make it run at 110% then get the iPhone.
For those who want the option to fully hack and customise their device but are fully aware that Windows Mobile will never really be 100% user friendly and smooth running without tweaks and modifications then get a Windows Mobile device.
beast0898 said:
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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Totally Agreed.
TP2 is a business phone which target working people like me, hee hee. Iphone is more for entertainment. :>
radiowc said:
Totally Agreed.
TP2 is a business phone which target working people like me, hee hee. Iphone is more for entertainment. :>
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Indeed... iPhone is an ipod with phone funtionality, in the world of PDAs the iPhone is just a toy...
beast0898 said:
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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I totaly agree!!! i think i wudnt be able to live without running a few programs at the same time n switchin between them...which the iPhone isnt capable to do... plus i like it when im in charge n i can customize my phone to the limit... while the IPhone is pretty limited on this...
soo i wud say go for the TP2 ...
my "unbiased" opinion
EazyDeazy said:
maybe the apps on it (TP2) won't be as good as the ones available on iphone...
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If you honestly think so then get one!!
iPhone is a toy.
TP2 is a tool with the flexibility to be a toy if you want it to be.
I must say I LOVE IPHONES for one reason and one reason only. They keep all the non tech savy people away from winmo Now to get more specific.
The iphone 3gs will probably be a lot faster than the TP2 but lets be realisitic here. Whats the point of super fast phone when u have no flexibility to do whatever u want with it. Its like me giving u a super computer and saying hey u can only play solitare. The iphone screen is smaller with a lower resolution. It has a ton of apps but still no where near what winmo has if u include all of the software out there. The iphone doesn't have a keyboard but has a nice software keyboard but personally i like to have the flexibility to use a hw keyboard or sw keyboard cause HTC's keyboard is quite nice. The one thing i have to give apple is they listen to what their customers want, within reason that is. Microsoft only responds to competition.
I have to say this one last piece. The simplier the device the less features it has. Its like the engineering creed.
" If it isn't broken then it doesn't have enough features yet"
I don't think anyone has the iphone 3g in their hands yet for evalution...
But, stay with the TP2 & this forum's support
beast0898 said:
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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I am totally agree with your opinion here. I can't see iPhone as a pocket pc. For me Touch Pro 2 all the way!
First post, but I'd take the Touch Pro 2 over an iPhone. iPhone is basically a multimedia device. You could just go out anytime and buy an ipod touch for that, no? That 5 row keyboard just looks to damn good.
I'm really hoping the Touch Pro 2 comes to Telus and soon..
EazyDeazy said:
Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
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Enter an iphone store and ask which is better iphoney or TP2
What will be the result??
same case here mate....
beast0898 said:
First of all I'm severly prejudiced towards the iPhone............ I hate the fact that Apple have to lock it down so much and the lack of sd slot and ability to customise.
In my view, an iPhone is an ipod with phone functionality, it is not a PDA and not a productivity tool.
I would never buy one
I am yet to be convinced by anyone as to the pros of owning an iPhone over a WinMo or Android PDA.
Appologies again for such a biast view.
Cheers,
Beasty
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I secound that!
Aisorik said:
I've only just been reading up on both phones, so take what I say with a grain of salt:
The Iphone may be a better for multimedia playback, due to the inclusion of 3.5mm jack and notably good sound quality. Also, the casual game selection is fairly good. If you want more functionality/versality, definitely consider jailbreaking the iphone, otherwise it's not really comparable to the TP2. Check out ipodtouchfans.com, they cater to jailbroken iphones/itouches.
If you're looking for something to be truly productive on, particularly in a business environment (kind of reminds me of a mini-netbook), consider the TP2. If you want a multimedia PDA with great sound, consider the iphone. If you want a fair mix of both, the Samsung Omnia II (coming to Verizon, no hard keyboard) looks to have potential.
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The audio booster makes the sound quality unbelievable on my tilt with sennheiser headphones, so Im not sure how an iphone could be better, in fact it already sounds so amazing I dont think its even possible to notice if it gets better, but then again ive never really listened to an iphone with my headphones, so I just said that so that people don't think that wm phones have bad sound quality or anything, but then again without the audio booster it isnt all that amazing I have to admit, which doesn't mean its bad, its still pretty good its not like it sounds bad, it just doesn't amaze me lol
T3ku said:
I totaly agree!!! i think i wudnt be able to live without running a few programs at the same time n switchin between them...which the iPhone isnt capable to do... plus i like it when im in charge n i can customize my phone to the limit... while the IPhone is pretty limited on this...
soo i wud say go for the TP2 ...
my "unbiased" opinion
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I also toatlly secound that I will admit iphones are pretty nice, but they lack stuff too, like that for example, but personally I dont like iphones
Bxsteez said:
I must say I LOVE IPHONES for one reason and one reason only. They keep all the non tech savy people away from winmo Now to get more specific.
The iphone 3gs will probably be a lot faster than the TP2 but lets be realisitic here. Whats the point of super fast phone when u have no flexibility to do whatever u want with it. Its like me giving u a super computer and saying hey u can only play solitare. The iphone screen is smaller with a lower resolution. It has a ton of apps but still no where near what winmo has if u include all of the software out there. The iphone doesn't have a keyboard but has a nice software keyboard but personally i like to have the flexibility to use a hw keyboard or sw keyboard cause HTC's keyboard is quite nice. The one thing i have to give apple is they listen to what their customers want, within reason that is. Microsoft only responds to competition.
I have to say this one last piece. The simplier the device the less features it has. Its like the engineering creed.
" If it isn't broken then it doesn't have enough features yet"
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I secound that too by the way
This forum is specific to HTC so you aren't going to get a bunch of fanboy iphone stuff in here. I'll do my best.
I'm 95% ATT FUZE 5% iphone 2g 3.0 with 3GS use as of today.
iPhone 3GS PROS
Very easy to bedazzle
Near flawless performance, I never miss calls on the iphone due to too many apps open or performance slowdown. Part of the advantage of a closed hardware/software platform.
Improved screen still very bright, crisp and fabulous under the finger control
Landscape keyboard is great on the 3gs, I wouldn't doubt that you could type 90% as fast as on a hardware keyboard.
Capable of PLENTY of business activities, I am completely confused when people rip the iphone abilities to integrate into a person's worklife even a network. VPN, sync, Outlook sync, Gmail, Yahoo app, Quickbooks. I guess if you need to program in VB or do some SQL pounding on the train then the iphone is out, haha.
apps and app creation is an unheralded levels, more developers than on any other platform. Too many to even list and all are far superior to the windows mobile versions. Simply go compare the most recent Tiger Woods between the two platforms. WM is a joke.
games are incredibly good and highly supported
pdf, doc, excel, what the hell else is needed? There is an app for it probably too if it's not out of the box.
jailbreaking is pretty straightforward, as straightforward as dealing with hard spl and flashing new roms.
accessories, speaker setups, availability of fun new things all the time at major stores, in the airport, etc. Walk anywhere and find an accessory that fits and is meant for your exact model. Frick, vending machines even.
Operating System is fast, reliable and does as it is supposed to.
Locked operating system and hardware means better apps over time as developers are able to program for a specific device
iPhone 3GS Cons
The great grandmother next door may own one too, it may make you feel technically out of the high-end loop as she plays sudoku online with her 'girlfriends'
Non-removeable battery (not a problem for me, I have never changed the battery on an extended trip, etc, I don't travel far distances though)
No Expandable memory port (can't imagine that 16 gigs isn't enough)
No LED flashlight
No multitasking of apps (so limited but this will improve in the next releases)
I struggle everyday with owning a Fuze. I am a HTC (to a fault) fanboy so I won't own my own iPhone but when ANY family or friend asks about it, they get the two thumbs up, glowing review. It is too good, too easy amd frankly not that expensive.
Tresher already mentioned this, but this bares repeating:
- iPhone (any version) does NOT have simultaneous execution of 3rd party apps
You can't run a web browser, email, camera and banking at the same time.
Every time you 'switch' from a program, it closes.
This means that any programs (like a 3rd party web browser) that are session based, kill the session completely.
This is a total big no-no for a business phone, because it breaks your workflow.
Also, iPhone UI and the way screens behave is not really customizable at all. Again, this is about workflow customization. With WM phones you can - with hard work - make it work like you want, display what you want and operate as you want.
On iPhone you get what Apple gives you. End of story.
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Tresher already mentioned this, but this bares repeating:
- iPhone (any version) does NOT have simultaneous execution of 3rd party apps
You can't run a web browser, email, camera and banking at the same time.
Every time you 'switch' from a program, it closes.
This means that any programs (like a 3rd party web browser) that are session based, kill the session completely.
This is a total big no-no for a business phone, because it breaks your workflow.
Also, iPhone UI and the way screens behave is not really customizable at all. Again, this is about workflow customization. With WM phones you can - with hard work - make it work like you want, display what you want and operate as you want.
On iPhone you get what Apple gives you. End of story.
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And that's one reason why the Iphone is so fast and snappy. But I think it doesn't add up against the multitasking capabilities of Windows Mobile.
EazyDeazy said:
Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
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Here comes my 2 cents of this issue. That is my personal opinion!!!!
I believe the question should be WHAT I NEED rather then WHAT IS THE BEST.
One wouldn’t buy a Minivan if I wanted to race. But in country I wouldn’t buy race-car if I need to transport lot things.
I believe the good things exist in one OS (Iphone or WinMo) is the missing thing in other OS.
I do believe Iphone has many good futures and be frank Iphone has revolutionised the UI that we expect from a PDA/Phone.
Iphone has been build mainly for entertainment (music, video etc) which is the main target of Apple. Apple has taking the Ipod as basic skeleton and build around the PDA/Phone abilities.
In contraire is the WinMo which has been build mainly for PDA (computer) functionality. MS has taking the Windows CE platform then later add the phone/entertainment abilities.
Therefore Iphone will not have in near future the full computer functionality that WinMO has ANDDDDD the WinMo will not have full UI friendliness and entertainment abilities as the Iphone has.
Therefore if one has Windows Desktop and Work a lot with OUTLOOK, Contacts, APPOINTMETS, TASK, REMINDERs, Emails, Word, excel, then I WOULD SAY WinMO has big advantages...
Besides you can then spend weeks, days, hours, here to Flash better ROM’s , tweaks Registry, do this and that so that One might have a device that is few milliseconds faster.
My favoured is WinMO not because it is soooo good, NO!!! ACTUALY I HATE IT and hate myself to pay 700$ for such crap!!! But it is because my entire life is on MS outlook... I would be completely lost if I did not have the outlook information, word documents, my little databases on my hand device.
Beside I wouldn’t know what to do with my free time if I had to not visit every day to this forum, If couldn’t flash every 14 days new rom and If I could not get angry of Microsoft to build such crap and sit on it for many many years without major improvements.
Iphone!! I think it is a nice device just it doesn’t feed to my main Needs. But be frank I have been thinking to buy it as second device. FOR ME the main reason to dislike is the build in battery. I need at least 2 batteries a day :0(
EazyDeazy said:
Touch Pro 2 pros:
bigger screen (3.6 vs. 3.5)
higher resolution (480x400 vs. 480x320)
Iphone Pros:
about 4 mm thinner
I am tempted to go out and buy and iphone3gs but i have been waiting it seems like for so long for the touch pro 2. I need to wait for at&t to release the touch pro 2, which has no release date yet. I own a tilt, so i am tired of the tilt. and i have a friend that owns a iphone and another friend that has a iphone 3g. I think the touch pro 2 looks like a better whole package than the iphone 3gs. About the only think i see bad about the touch pro 2 is its quite a bit thicker and maybe the apps on it won't be as good as the ones available on iphone. What do you guys think? Which phone is better and why?
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Correction - Touch Pro 2 has 480 x 800 screen, not 480 x 400
The thread its all about.
I love my 3gs, mainly because its huge amount of 3d quality games, instruments, prank apps and other apps.
But the desire aint expensive and i can trade it for my iphone.
Its a real hard choice. The desire has a superb screen, but the iphone is more smooth and offers more games.
What would you do and why?
And are there already some quality 3d games for android?
About 3 months ago I bought an iPhone 3gs, mainly because of boredom.
3 days ago I received my Desire as a free upgrade.
The iPhone is a fantastic unit, but I'm bored with it already. I feel tied in. I can't mod it how I'd like to, and tbh it isn't worth the price.
The Desire has captivated me, frustrated me, but engaged me more than the iPhone did.
Ebay is about to get another iPhone for sale.
Why has the desire frustrated you?
I switched from the HD2 (nightmare) and i havent found a single thing wrong with the phone - i actually love it
in answer to your question you seem more concerned about apps rather than the actual phone so i think you should stick with your 3gs, i mean the android marketplace has many apps, but not really like pranks apps and stuff
if you want an overall all round great phone id definitely recommend the desire!
How is the graphic performance of the Desire compared to the iPhone 3GS? Because the 3GS has a dedicated graphics chip (powerVR SGX) where the Desire only has its 1Ghz Snapdragon. I'd like to play some 3D games on it aswel.
I think you'll get a biased opinion here... but I've had a couple of less zealous iPhone owners who've had a play with my phone concede that they actually quite like the Desire and they might even prefer to have one*. I've not bothered with any 3D games so I couldn't comment on that, but there seems to be plenty of games in the Market.
* Steve Jobs's flying monkeys will no doubt be on to them already.
Having moved from winmob to Android, I can honestly say the HTC Desire is simply an amazing phone. Android is such a breeze and it just works, no more lag or soft reset.
You have to remember the Android market is still very young, so it will grow in time.
The best 3D game I have been playing is 'Raging Thunder II - Lite edition', it is a racing game which you control by using the accelometer, best thing is it is free!
Technically the Snapdragon in the Desire is more powerful when it comes to 3D gaming but due to the higher res screen the performance ends up being more or less the same. At the moment the iPhone has a very slight lead in 3D performance but when FroYo is released and OpenGL2 is put out for the Desire we can see a big improvement.
Very simple, if you want a massive range of apps, that are of good quality, including good games etc, then go iPhone hands down. If you prefer to tinker with your phone, flash roms, adjust the looks etc, go android. Coming from both winmo and iphone, there are many apps I sorely miss that were on the iPhone that I can't get on the desire, BUT there are many things I can do with the desire that I had no chance of doing on the iPhone (eg. downloading rss feeds including videos and audio files from the phone). I also feel a lot better not having to rely on iTunes for transferring files etc. It was a nightmare for me when I didn't have access to MY computer, therefore I could not transfer files to it....
Apple do absolutely nothing for me, I wouldn't notice if they were not there.
I had a iphone and a hd2 both of which got listed on ebay within a few days of me receiving my desire. iPhone had more apps but bring on android 2.5 and the app emulator
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Why has the desire frustrated you?
I switched from the HD2 (nightmare) and i havent found a single thing wrong with the phone - i actually love it
in answer to your question you seem more concerned about apps rather than the actual phone so i think you should stick with your 3gs, i mean the android marketplace has many apps, but not really like pranks apps and stuff
if you want an overall all round great phone id definitely recommend the desire!
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Same here, my HD2 has just come back from HTC as a referb due to ongoing issues with the screen. All replaced and the HD2 is now fine but its on Ebay. I think the desire is totally what I wanted the HD2 to be. As for the Iphone I borrowed a mate's for a few days as I was going to get one. He told me to try it first. I loved it but got bored quick, yes its lovely to look at, IE the build quality. But it still has faults, IE still needs to be rebooted from time to time. Things such as trying to use MP3's as a ringtone, whilst its possible to convert or buy from Apple. The Android isnt a direct replacement yet, but I have a feeling Android will get there as more developers join. For me I wanted something different to what everyone else has got, the Iphone is just following the herd.
Unlike those of us in the US, others can buy Win Phone 7 devices. So what do you think?
I have not tested it yet as mine is arriving shortly.
I think that it does look good and that Microsoft has the right idea.
The only issues that I can see with it is the SDK limitations and the general os limitations.
i love it, it has it's limitation but it will get better.
Used an HD7 for about 30 minutes in the T-Mobile store here. Smooth like butter, and it has 16GB storage.
I'm definitely leaning towards getting one.
Finally an OS that performs like one should on this hardware. Can't even imagine what performance will be like on next-gen hardware.
Up until 28th November I was an Android Fanboy - G1 when it was launched, Desire as an Upgrade.
I now actually prefer Wp7 to Android and love the fact I went and bought a HD7. My desire is now untouched, I put it on Ebay
i just played a bit with one at a t-mobile store... (htc mozart)
very smooth handling in every condition
i dont like pinch to zoom in any browser i used before (opera, safari, whatever android has...) but i like it in wp7 very much
but then there are the known limitations and some of them i realy dislike...
if there was a way to use wp7 device as mass storage my decision would be clear pro wp7...
Had it for 3 days, love it.
Blazingly fast and super solid - yes a few things are unavailable at the moment but its only been out for a matter of days.
Genuinely excited for the future of this OS.
Thanks for the replies. Sounds great. I was hoping to move away from AT&T but, if the WP7 devices are good maybe I will stay with them.
BTW, does anyone have a standalone Zune and care to compare the functionality of the WP7? I have a Zune 80 and love the Zune Marketplace and Zune client.
Love it as well. I miss the the messaging apps available on iOS and Android and some apps are a bit slow to launch, but it is a polished OS especially for a 1.0 with a lot of attention to detail taken on it. In a way it makes Android look like a toy, Aesthetics wise, and it is much smoother natively.
agreed with the ones above, had my HTC Trophy for over 2 days now and i'm really liking it. I see the Trophy as the base model for all Windows Phones. There is no stand out feature in this phone at all, it's all minimum spec, but it works... exceptionally! Games are a little slow on loading, but that's ok, the gameplay itself is fine. This limitation is due to the use of microSD (which you'll probably see in the other HTC phones). But I don't plan on voiding my warranty, and my carrier throws an extra year on top, so i have 2 years warranty. I don't use it for music all that much as i'm more of a radio listener... and let me tell you, when i fired up the radio for the first time this morning... man was it a really nicely designed radio. Simple, only get a bar with the radio frequency on top, and you just scroll left/right, and find the frequency you want. Favourite it, and done. SO NICE!
hmm looks like im really gonna have to get this lol
all good comments.. i suppose to have my HD7 with me right now but my friend could not pick it up in singapore for me... now i have to wait till dec 1st as i cant make it to SG till then..
I LOVE IT. its that simple. There is a few very tiny glitches but i had that with android blackberry and sare i say it ios as well. I do have a couple of poiunts for a few people that moan about some missing features though.
Mass storage - why oh why would you want to use your phone for this i don't get it? the memory inside is for the phone not your pc. Get a memory stick they cost about £20 and will sit on your keyring they are faster and easier to use.
Flash - this is coming very soon adobe and Microsoft have confirmed this.
Copy paste - as above (i suspect the January update for both though flash may come as its own download)
Multitasking - just a battery drain and all the main features do this anyway, the phone is quick at swapping between apps. I don't get why you would want to multi-task beyond what it already does if anyone can give me a good example i will retract that but so far its just "cos we like it that we can" i personally prefer a battery that lasts unlike the desire.
removable storage - once again why would you want this? I have an idea don't buy a load of small cards just get one good one. You can argue that the on board amounts given at launch are poor (i to stated this) BUT, America will get the focus this can be upgraded so to can the dell. The HD7 can be also if you don't mind getting under the back cover. I suspect as with the hd7 we will find others. So there are options even for the most data intensive. Your phone is not a memory stick people.
I personally think wp7 has it right esp for a brand new os that has not even had, dare i call the January update this, service pack 1. I don't like to say i will never touch things again because the world is constantly changing but i will say for now i am so glad i sold my desire and got a hd7 it beats anything else hands down.
I just realized i was so busy fending the so called downsides i forgot to look at why wp7 is the best.
Xbox live - this is so good it makes my nuts tingle though it was a lil slow at first once it has had chance to sync everything up it is amazing. I can see all my avatar stuff in 3d i can see my mates avatars in 3d i can compare gamer scores, i can earn achievements on games i can send messages to my live friends and see what they are doing. Basically all the same stuff i can do on my xbox but on a phone. Plus they will soon have multilayer games not just turn by turn and intergration into actual xbox games.
Zune - By far and away the best music/media experience you can get. Makes iphone look old and rubbish. I have loved Zune since i got my zune hd imported last year. Zune software is easier to use then itunes. It is far better at managing your media and is so good at getting the track data. Plus unlike itunes if it cant find it automatically you can just find it yourself easy as and make sure all the tracks have the right names with a no fuss at all. Put it this way my itunes on my mac has about 80% of the right art my zune has 100% (and for about 8 months i had to use the mac as my main pc due to frying my motherboard so it is nothing to do with me not careing about getting it sorted).
Hubs/live tile - just genius i hardly use my facebook app as i don't need to my friends are asy to contact and find and my pictures are all in one place. Yeah you can collect data together on android but until you have used a wp7, and i do say if your unsure go to the store and play, its hard to explain why its so much better but it just is. updates are right there on the home screen and even the lock screen.
Speed/transactions - This is a zippy os everything is smooth and looks sexy, this isnt a big point for many people i know but, there is no better feeling then when showing someone an email or a text or anything on your phone and it flys there but at the same time looks like something from minority report.
The phone is fantastic. The system is very smooth! The zune feature wit zune pass is great. One thing though, notification sounds for txt and email are very, very quiet (HD7). I can hardly hear them
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The phone is fantastic. The system is very smooth! The zune feature wit zune pass is great. One thing though, notification sounds for txt and email are very, very quiet (HD7). I can hardly hear them
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have you updated the audio controller from htc as it may be coincidence but i thought it was quieter before i did that.
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Multitasking - just a battery drain and all the main features do this anyway, the phone is quick at swapping between apps. I don't get why you would want to multi-task beyond what it already does if anyone can give me a good example i will retract that but so far its just "cos we like it that we can" i personally prefer a battery that lasts unlike the desire.
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I disagree. There are cases where multitasking would help, one area would be instant messaging. Also, I have looked at most reviews out there and battery life is on par with similarly specced Android devices. For example, the HD7 vs. EVO/Desire HD. Even my developer WP7 devices battery lasts around the same time as my Captivate.
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There is no denying the fact that multitasking would help in many cases. I am glad that MS never said they wouldn't allow 3rd party aps to multitask. I am sure it's already in development... may be being tested as we speak
Went from HTC to Samsung Focus, so far i do love the smoothness and speed. Active tiles are a huge plus and can see where this can be beneficial in various ways. Only 'major' things needed is tethering or turning the phone into a WiFi Hotspot (and would like bluetooth rSAP support).
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I disagree. There are cases where multitasking would help, one area would be instant messaging. Also, I have looked at most reviews out there and battery life is on par with similarly specced Android devices. For example, the HD7 vs. EVO/Desire HD. Even my developer WP7 devices battery lasts around the same time as my Captivate.
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You're wrong.
With Push Messaging, you get you IMs without the app even running. Multitasking IM applications is a huge waste of battery.
Do you even have a clue what you're talking about?
Also, the HD7 has a weak battery in it. It's around 1230 mAh, IIRC. Most decent phones have 1500 mAh batteries in them. Check that before you make a comparison. Also, use patterns on the two phones may not be identical. It's almost impossible to conduct a decent test for battery life outside of a controlled environment.
with the death of windows mobile, cdma launch of wp7, and the iphone coming to verizon it opens alot of options for people like me who are due for an upgrade. Besides the lag and freezes i thoroughly enjoyed the freedom i had with Windows Mobile being able to download music on the go in rar files/zip files and everything and update my library on the go all without the use of a computer and being able to use my phone in mass storage mode on computers and things i know at the moment wp7 is limited in comparison and there are other platforms out there but im primarily interested in wp7.
But i was wondering with the promising upgrades coming and your experience with wp7 thus far how would u rank wp7 iphone and android? what are the pros and cons of each platform in comparison to each other?
im 90% confident im upgrading to wp7 but i would like to hear more input from people who have used the other platforms more thoroughly than I have.
ios is a kids OS. It's jumbled, it's boring, there's no hardware selection, and the only reason to get it is the app selection. Android is also ugly, jumbled, though you can tinker more on it than any OS that's currently in the land of the living. The lag is what most kills android. WP7 as a whole is awesome. It is missing a few features necessary to some people but for the most part it's blowing smoke. Most of them are unimportant features people accentuate on aside from GPS. I have all the faith in the world that by this time next year WP7 will be right up there.
WP7 is a lot better better than iOS and Android IMO. I do like that Android is open like WinMo was, but that opens it up for being more buggy, laggy, etc. iOS and WP7 are similar in their fluidity, but WP7 just looks and flows better. It's very, very smoothe feeling. Even though the app selection is smaller, it still provides the basic ones everyone uses and has a lot of really good games that aren't available on other platforms.
Android is great in that its really powerful and feature rich. You can do a lot of tinkering with it. However, it feels like somebody's senior project and does not feel like a polished OS. Lots of lag and other anomalies that make using it sometimes less than ideal. However, it does work, and it had excellent Google integration not to mention the very handy tethering/wifi hotspot.
iOS is a very polished product which works excellently with its hardware, and has an insane amount of added functionality by way of their huge developer base/apps. To set up the homescreens ect in a way that doesn't seem meant for a toddler, you need to jailbreak. However, its not difficult to do (although the overall feel still feels a little fischer price to me). And with apple there is a one size fits all mentality. One phone model updated yearly. And, like Android, this OS is based on the 1990's desktop style which moved into handsets by way of Palm quite a while ago.
wp7 Metro UI is quite amazing and an evolution in how you can and will use your handset in a more efficient and intuitive way (imo). It is highly polished and very responsive with some extremely high quality apps (a trend which will continue). Much higher than Android, and some even higher than iOS.
However, the OS is severely crippled in deeper functionality at this point. The email & music players are the best out there as is the metro UI in general, but the settings available to you are pretty limited and there are big things missing like smart dialing and socket support. Given time to add more features this OS will be hard to beat. Most of the necessary features are in the OS and work fine, but you may find a few things hard to live without.
So basically wp7 UI is top notch and much more pleasant to use (I'd say webOS is second), and given another year should be pretty close in functionality to the rest of the platforms. When that time comes, the choice is simple: wp7 given the same power and features has a much better UI while still having choice in hardware.
Me? I have used them all. Using a wp7 device now, and its really hard to go back to my Android, even with the added functionality simply because wp7 UI is so beautiful, and Android is...well....not. I just hope some of my needed functionality comes sooner rather than later.
If you're used to the freedom of WM6 and being able to use your phone as a computer replacement, then you'll regret going to WP7 which is like a glorified feature phone compared to WM6 or Android . Let's see... no sockets API, no file system, no multi-tasking until maybe even early 2012, no real customization of any aspect of the UI / core functionality.
Install the Zune software and check out what apps are available. If you can live with those choices then you'll probably love the phone. But if you're used to the power and flexibility of WM6 then I suspect you'd be happier with Android. Which, despite the rabid hate from the WP7 fanboys here (ahem, z33dev33l), is not even remotely near as bad as they would have you believe provided you're running a high end device with 2.2+.
My wife loves WP7 because it's simple and straight forward. I hate it because it doesn't do anything I need it to and the lack of multitasking makes it feel way slower than it really is if you use a lot of 3rd party apps. It's the same old story. Different strokes for different folks. Try them both and use whatever works for you .
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the power and flexibility of WM6
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Good one.
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Hey, I didn't say anything about speed or stability.
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2 things both android and WM are completely lacking.
I've used PocketPC/WindowsMobile devices for years, enjoyed them and found them most useful. I loved my Touch Diamond - great device. When I first saw my friend/co-worker's G1 I was underwhelmed by the look of Android. A year later I have a Galaxy S and love it - but Android 2.2.1 doesn't look that much different than what I saw on the G1. The iPhone is a non-issue for me. Yes, very polished but I just cannot buy into it for a few reasons (I have had a few iPods in the past but grew tired of them).
After some time and consideration of the pro's and con's I decided to give WP7 a chance. Besides, the Focus is essentially a Galaxy S with WP7 instead of Android. I absolutely love it. It is so refined aesthetically that it makes Android look amateurish - I still like Android though. Just have to wait for proper GPS and Lexicomp to make my WP7 complete.
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Haha very true.
I'd rank WP7 1st in UI and smoothness, last in functionality and features.
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ios is a kids OS. It's jumbled, it's boring, there's no hardware selection, and the only reason to get it is the app selection. Android is also ugly, jumbled, though you can tinker more on it than any OS that's currently in the land of the living. The lag is what most kills android. WP7 as a whole is awesome. It is missing a few features necessary to some people but for the most part it's blowing smoke. Most of them are unimportant features people accentuate on aside from GPS. I have all the faith in the world that by this time next year WP7 will be right up there.
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So ios is a kids' os, but at this point wp7 isn't, yet ios, does much more than wp7 is doing now, and probably will do for the rest of this year?
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So ios is a kids' os, but at this point wp7 isn't, yet ios, does much more than wp7 is doing now, and probably will do for the rest of this year?
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I'd say the look & feel are very childlike, but the functionality is not.
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2 things both android and WM are completely lacking.
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With your signature, I'm not sure how anyone can take you seriously any more...
Anyway, I will say this: When you look at WM6 or Android, I think the old saying applies: With great power comes great responsibility. On both of these platforms there's no question that the user can hugely affect stability and speed by installing crappy software or changing the wrong settings. So I can understand how they can get such a bad rap as being slow and unstable. In reality, any reasonably tech savvy person can maintain a very smooth and stable Android device that is still very customized. That's a fact based on my observations, so argue all you want but it won't make a difference .
With WP7 and un-jailbroken iPhones, they're pretty hard to mess up and thy're more likely to have consistent performance no matter what you install or what you do to them. In the perfect world, someone could achieve a platform that accomplishes both goals, for now you have to choose what matters most to you and accept the fact that you can't have your cake and eat it too.
I, too, was torn between WP7 and Android, but it became a pretty clear choice once I realized what I was looking at. My old Tilt was powerful and flexible, but such a pain to use that it was just a really expensive cell phone as I stopped using all the "smart" features. I fancy myself a tinkerer, but when I'm honest with myself, I just don't have time for that any more. So while Android was looking attractive for a bit, I knew I needed something butter-smooth that just worked. I fell in love with Metro when it was unveiled a year ago, and it's just as pretty, intuitive, and functional now that I've got it in my hand.
So, unless you're a power user who needs socket-what-have-you on the Android, Windows Phone 7 should fit the bill and meet your needs - in style. (Can't comment on iPhones; I'm probably the only graphic designer in the world who loathes Macs.)
Also, pick a cross-platform app (Yelp, IMDB, or ANYthing) and read the reviews; the WP7 version of the app is always hailed as the "best" version of the app compared to the Android and iOS versions.
I've always felt that Android is what Windows Mobile would have been if Microsoft had really been serious about it. The two OS's are way more similar than most people are willing to admit. The fact is, if you love WM then you will love Android. Android is the polished cousin of WM.
At its heart, iOS is also very similar to WM, just very highly polished and very locked down. I love the breadth of apps on iOS, and I love my iPod Touch, but the iPhone isn't for me.
I've been very pleasantly surprised by WP7. While WM=Android=iOS, WP7 is totally different. I'm a bit disappointed that it's locked down like iOS, but I totally relate to the Metro interface. I have no regrets with my Samsung Focus, it's a great phone.
My posts are going to sound like broken records but I think people are being overly critical of Windows Phone.
Look how long it took the iPhone to get C&P. It took Android many iterations to get to where it is at now. Android did not start with Bluetooth file transfer, OTA updates, or radio in their first handset.
The problem may be that people went from an established OS in WinMo to Windows Phone expecting it to be upgraded in the areas where it was lacking. Windows Phone was a complete overhaul and rewrite.
Windows Phone will get there. Just do your research and you will get the phone that suits you best. Do not buy a phone banking on future updates and you will save yourself lots of frustration.
I went from WM6 to Android, and it really is the best upgrade if you liked the openness of WM6. It might not come with the polished feel that iPhone and WP7 have, but that's offset by the many choices that you can have.
I can't judge WP7 yet because we haven't seen quite what it can do yet, but regarding iPhones compared to Android: the iPhone is great for if you want to use exactly what apple wants you to (i.e. SMS, keyboard, homescreens, etc.) and if you don't mind not being able to customise. It has a much better selection of apps/games, but more paid than free (although this is slowly changing)
Android comes with customisation, and more possible features (because even the app store in iPhone has restrictions on what apps you can get) but can be unstable or a bit slower because of the customising and multi-tasking (I know iPhone does that too now, but still not on the same level). You can change the keyboard layout, the homescreen (even to match the UI of iPhone or WP7, or something totally different) and all sorts of customised ROMs!
All in all, it's a personal choice. I think WP7 is a good idea if you think the apps and the UI are worth it. It's more of a risk because we haven't seen how well it'll last and catch on. Android is great for if you want the freedom to change anything you want (keyboards, homescreens, etc.). iPhone is great for if you want that stability, and a system that's definitely got the developers' support.
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I went from WM6 to Android, and it really is the best upgrade if you liked the openness of WM6. It might not come with the polished feel that iPhone and WP7 have, but that's offset by the many choices that you can have.
I can't judge WP7 yet because we haven't seen quite what it can do yet, but regarding iPhones compared to Android: the iPhone is great for if you want to use exactly what apple wants you to (i.e. SMS, keyboard, homescreens, etc.) and if you don't mind not being able to customise. It has a much better selection of apps/games, but more paid than free (although this is slowly changing)
Android comes with customisation, and more possible features (because even the app store in iPhone has restrictions on what apps you can get) but can be unstable or a bit slower because of the customising and multi-tasking (I know iPhone does that too now, but still not on the same level). You can change the keyboard layout, the homescreen (even to match the UI of iPhone or WP7, or something totally different) and all sorts of customised ROMs!
All in all, it's a personal choice. I think WP7 is a good idea if you think the apps and the UI are worth it. It's more of a risk because we haven't seen how well it'll last and catch on. Android is great for if you want the freedom to change anything you want (keyboards, homescreens, etc.). iPhone is great for if you want that stability, and a system that's definitely got the developers' support.
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I have HD2, so i had WM 6.5, Android for 6 months and now wp7. I liked the Android customization. Sense, non-sense, changing widgets home-screens... But the true is i prefer the wp7 as it is. I dont feel the need to tweek it and changed it. I never got a 'tweeked' customized experience as good as wp7. And the simplicity of Metro is just great.
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With your signature, I'm not sure how anyone can take you seriously any more...
Anyway, I will say this: When you look at WM6 or Android, I think the old saying applies: With great power comes great responsibility. On both of these platforms there's no question that the user can hugely affect stability and speed by installing crappy software or changing the wrong settings. So I can understand how they can get such a bad rap as being slow and unstable. In reality, any reasonably tech savvy person can maintain a very smooth and stable Android device that is still very customized. That's a fact based on my observations, so argue all you want but it won't make a difference .
With WP7 and un-jailbroken iPhones, they're pretty hard to mess up and thy're more likely to have consistent performance no matter what you install or what you do to them. In the perfect world, someone could achieve a platform that accomplishes both goals, for now you have to choose what matters most to you and accept the fact that you can't have your cake and eat it too.
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Well, it's got to be hard to completely crap on a phone that for it's time had the best specs out but Samsung did it and did it quite thoroughly.
Its this Windows better than other mobile OS?
Why?
Why I have to choose Win phone 7 instead of Android?
Can some one tell me please?
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For me, one sentence will answer all...because we want to try something new and fresh.
However,the usability and satisfaction towards the OS or device are depends on your personal preference.
IMHO, I'm not really satisfied with this new OS,it is still in premature stage.
Much better user experience than WM and Android. More restrictions than both though, but most people aren't affected by this.
WP7 is smooth, clean and simple. It's generally very fast and elegant in operation. But right now it has bugs...at least for the pre-nodo devices. It currently lacks the higher-end hardware associated with the latest Androids and the iPhone, such as no front camera or dual-cpu. It doesn't use a plug & play expandable memory card...though you can expand the system memory with a little complexity on some devices...without voiding the warranty.
MO, its nice and fast with good apps. Big and easy to the eyes fonts.
But the weak point it gave you the feeling the phone is tied down as if you rent instead of owning it e.g. cant transfer documents to pc(not everyone have sharepoint),
no backups on anything(apps with user data or sms..anything) shud the phone needs to be reset or repaired.
If you are a patience type, then waiting for updates will not be an issue for you.
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Well, if you're going to confuse User INTERFACE with User EXPERIENCE, than your post is correct. Unfortunately, you are confused. The Experience goes beyond the interface. I'm not going to put my huge list in yet another thread. I'll leave it at that.
@ OP:
In the end it depends on your requirements and how you use your phone. The way I'd rank them, depending on what you need most:
Phone/Battery Life: Nokia (Symbian) > Blackberry
Media: WP7 > iOS (Phones with Bigger Screens, Zune Pass/Zune, etc.)
Gaming: iOS > WP7 > Android (Too many Android games are of terrible quality/bug-riddled).
Browsing: Android > iOS (More Browser Choices, bigger screens, 4G devices, etc.)
Communication (SMS/MMS/IM/eMail and Business Communications): Symbian > Blackberry > Android (WP7 would be in last place here, IMO)
Business User: Windows Mobile > Symbian > Blackberry (BB loses points due to needing BES for decent Exchange support - WM gains points for supporting every Exchange Policy and having Office Mobile 2010)
If having Voice Nav is a huge thing than Android > Symbian > Windows Mobile
If you're an Appaholic: iOS > Android > Blackberry
Since I know where you're probably (even if secretly) coming from, I'll just cut to the chase here... WP7 isn't as good as Android. The User Interface is better and it performs better in many cases (this is device dependent, to a large degree), but the level of services integration in addition to the functionality drop-off going from Windows Mobile to Windows Phone 7 is just not good when compared to other platforms. Microsoft failed to capitalize on their Windows Live services with WP7 (billed as a consumer device) and then they failed harder by locking down the platform so tight that the development community can't even help them close these gaps.
WP7 is a necessary step forward for Microsoft, but the platform is Beta in functionality and Release Candidate in User Experience. From what has been coming out of Microsoft, it also seems like nothing more than a transition platform. Don't get it until Mango releases to all carriers if you are coming from iOS or Android. You never know what the functionality gap is until you actually use this device on a daily basis. Using it for 20 minutes in a carrier store is not enough.
However, for those moving up from a feature phone and don't really want all the extra fluff of a true smartphone OS, then WP7 may suite them well...
MartyLK said:
WP7 is smooth, clean and simple. It's generally very fast and elegant in operation. But right now it has bugs...at least for the pre-nodo devices. It currently lacks the higher-end hardware associated with the latest Androids and the iPhone, such as no front camera or dual-cpu. It doesn't use a plug & play expandable memory card...though you can expand the system memory with a little complexity on some devices...without voiding the warranty.
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+1 on this.
N8ter said:
However, for those moving up from a feature phone and don't really want all the extra fluff of a true smartphone OS, then WP7 may suite them well...
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Well, I personally moved from a "true smartphone OS" (WM) to iOS to WP7 with a couple of brief stops with Android, and it suits me very well. Because I can do more with it, and better, including work (which for me is primarily communication via email and checking/quick editing office documents). While I will 200% agree that WP7 isn't a "PC in your pocket" in terms of power/flexibility/features by any stretch of imagination, and it isn't a business powerhouse, whether and how platforms fit your specific needs is what matters. Each platform has its own specific bugs or quirks which you may not notice at all or they can turn your phone ownership into hell.
You're going to have the "hate it"s and the "love it"s, with a good mix of fanboys in the middle, so my advice is to get an actual device in your hands and play a while with it.
Read about its features and current limitations and if it fits your needs, it has the apps you require and you enjoy it, take it... I know I did.
Avandor said:
my advice is to get an actual device in your hands and play a while with it.
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Actually, this is a crucially important piece of advice. As uniform as WP7 devices are, I had a very difficult time getting a phone for myself. My major problem with the current crop is miserable amount of storage. I had to go for a carrier branded Mozart to get at least 16GB, and while it wasn't SIM locked and doesn't cause too much hassle, I would advise that you avoid branded handsets if possible. You won't get any added value from them but updates will be delayed, among other things.
vangrieg said:
You won't get any added value from them but updates will be delayed, among other things.
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In some cases carrier locked models do come at cheaper prices, which is crucial to some people when choosing their phones.
scionXda said:
Its this Windows better than other mobile OS?
Why?
Why I have to choose Win phone 7 instead of Android?
Can some one tell me please?
thanks
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IMO you are asking the question wrong. It's a bit like asking if a Hummer is a better car than a Prius? With no qualifiers you will get as many answers saying the Hummer as you get people saying the Prius.
Now, let me add some more information. I live in the country, have three dogs (who like going for drives), we get ****loads of snow in the winter and them side roads leading up to the property are not exactly prioritized when it comes to removing snow.
For me it (Hummer) definitely is, but for them there city folks probably not so much
If you'd like to add some more information about what you use your phone for, i.e. what is important to you - I'm sure we'll get you some good reasons why you should (or not) pick WP7.
N8ter said:
Well, if you're going to confuse User INTERFACE with User EXPERIENCE, than your post is correct. Unfortunately, you are confused. The Experience goes beyond the interface. I'm not going to put my huge list in yet another thread. I'll leave it at that.
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The interface is indeed better, and the user experience is also better in general. MUCH better than WM's user experience; you can't deny that.
Similar to how the iphone couldn't do nearly as much as WM when it was released, but the user experience was much better. Everything "just worked" as they say. Some people have issues with WP but most don't have or care about any. It "just works".
Windows Phone 7 is by far the best OS I have used.
Android is very laggy. I can't tell you how many times I went to answer a call and couldn't because my Android device wouldn't respond in time.
Interface is unmatched. Way better than anything Android or iOS has to offer.
iOS is a good OS if you have the latest hardware (iPhone4), but the interface kills it for me. It's very boring.
Gaming experience is really awesome on WP7. Love the XBox Live integration/achievements.
Mostly everything just works without a hitch.
There are still bugs... but as an early adopter, I couldn't be happier.
Having both I say choose Android but watch WP7 for the future.
Currently WP7 offers very little to the customers.
It has very easy and nice interface but equally boring and dull to be honest.
Almost every thing this device can do is limited, maybe besides Zune and Xbox.
If you don't care about any more advanced features WP7 may be for you.
After 3 months of liking it I couldn't stand it anymore.
Limitations driving me crazy, stupid inconsistencies in performance plus Interface which is just a little bit too primitive (even if it's so easy to use).
Many people wrote here alot about both OS'es. Almost everything has been said.
For me WP7 is a massive disappointment. I gave it huge credit, bought my WP7 device for cash in December. But honestly the current situation is simply unacceptable at all.
Crippled features + no support in most countries with Marketplace, Maps, Bing and native Keyboard. If I think of it now I see it's ridiculous.
WP7 definitely is something worth interest because MS has all the services to make a perfect ecosystem in every possible area and that may be amazing. That was one of the reasons I bought it. But they don't do it now at all. You can do 100 times more on any other platform.
I suppose WP7 may be big hit once Nokia will jump on the market and WP7 will be much more opened. I think after Mango update this can be better and better.
But not now. Apparently MS has huge problem with the upgrade system what is not positive. My device still can't be updated although preNoDo was OK.
So a really competitive and finished product can be available around beginning of next year. Not before and it's too long to wait for me - I buy device to do the job!
I guess current WP7 is like an advanced beta where MS has it's learning curve.
And regarding the fluidity I say - people tell myths here.
WP7 lags sometimes terribly and current Android interations are really snappy.
I had a iphone then a Desire HD (which I still have) and now a samsung omnia 7 16gb, I also have a Ipad 1 so have a good idea of all of the OS's. All three are good phones, and getting any of the 3 different OS you can't go wrong really.
However I am loving WP7 so far even with the little quirks, the UI is really awesome and I much prefer it to Android in that regard, I spent hours using launcher pro and icons and lock screen mods and was never happy with how it looked whereas WP7 does all i need on that front and beautifully.
Also it's a lot smoother than android, though to be fair Android is as smooth as you need, the very little lags and jerks you get when scrolling are not big deals and I didn't actually notice them till I had both phones side by side, not sure why people make such a big deal about tiny jerkiness sometimes in the scrolling on Android.
IOS was a little too bland for me and I really wanted a better notification system as well as a bigger screen 3.5 was too small for web pages and gaming, though the amount of good quality apps was amazing, however I had my iphone for 3 years and I really only had about 20 apps, A few games to play when really bored and not at my PC.
Zune is awesome, million times better than Itunes, never used it before WP7 but now I am hooked, will be going from the trial to a paid zune pass too, works very well the streaming.
I also am impressed with the gaming on WP7 some very cool games in the market place, just a pity they are normally a lot more expensive than what you get on the iphone or android.
So overall WP7 does what I need (email, calendar, phone calls, and music with the odd game) and in a beautiful UI, for some people it wont do what they want and that's fine but for me it's great.
The Desire HD isn't used much at all anymore and I will probably ebay it soon. Really hope WP7 gets bigger as in my opinion it deserves a place in the the market even at this early stage of it's life
It completely baffles me as to why people continue to point out that WinPhone doesn't use dual cpus as though it has some negative affect on the phone or it's experience, even going as far as to compare it to Android phones which do use it. With it's first generation processor it still outshines newer Android devices. Performance? WP7 outperforms those dual cpu Android devices. Battery life, as so many have argued is the biggest positive? WP7 still gets better battery life. Also, how many people actually use front facing cameras? Really? I know quite a few people with MyTouchs and iPhone4s who have never done a video chat, and they've owned the devices since launch.
Just had to get that out there.
Really the only things where it suffers are in the app department....once the OS gets it legs(another year or so) it will be on par if not better than iOS. It doesn't beat out the Iphone 4(definitely better than the 3G and 3GS) and some android phones. I say some because Android is highly dependent on the phone you get. With Windows Phone you can pretty much go with any phone and they all work well. Im on my 3rd month with it and I still love it. Ive been through sony android phones, the iphone 3GS and a bada phone as well.
FiyaFleye said:
With it's first generation processor it still outshines newer Android devices.
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Absolutely not true, actually just the opposite.
scionXda said:
Its this Windows better than other mobile OS?
Why?
Why I have to choose Win phone 7 instead of Android?
Can some one tell me please?
thanks
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it's ok .