Here's my comparison between WP7, iPhone OS, Android and WM6.5, webOS and Maemo!
It's been about time that somebody did it.
It's a work in progress, I will add and update things.
This chart is meant to be free from any opinion, it shall only contain the pure facts.
There's only one simple rule: No hacking! No unsupported, unallowed, illegal methods or any methods that are a breach of licence agreements.
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ndrive and co-pilot are available to iphone too
Thanks, will be added.
They have stated that copy and paste is currently being implemented now in WP7.
Kloc said:
They have stated that copy and paste is currently being implemented now in WP7.
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Source ?
It will be added to the chart when it becomes available.
(sorry, but I don't believe it will become available soon after launch - I will, however, add it, if the PROMISE to make it available)
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Source ?
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microsoft sent a statement saying that they listened to what people have said and are looking how to put a great copy and paste in wp7.
They did not say if it will be available at launch (probably not).
Sethos II said:
It will be added to the chart when it becomes available.
(sorry, but I don't believe it will become available soon after launch - I will, however, add it, if the PROMISE to make it available)
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We will probably have to wait until closer to launch to see how far they've gotten on that.
Of course. Any facts or at least promised features will be added, but I want to keep the chart free from speculation.
Ganondolf said:
microsoft sent a statement saying that they listened to what people have said and are looking how to put a great copy and paste in wp7.
They did not say if it will be available at launch (probably not).
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Source?
Shasarak said:
Source?
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I was posted on Engadget a while back go search for it.
This is my assessment:
Disclaimer: This coloured chart reflects my opinion, of course you can have your own. Please, don't try to discuss with me about my opinion, I don't want to do so. I will form my opinion based on trying things myself and research.
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This is my assessment:
Disclaimer: This coloured chart reflects my opinion, of course you can have your own. Please, don't try to discuss with me about my opinion, I don't want to do so. I will form my opinion based on trying things myself and research.
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Hmm there's something strange about that chart. One of those columns just doesn't look like the other three. Wonder if options were made to reflect that?
When I made the chart, I tried to find as many categories as possible. I did not think about opinions, I just tried to collect facts.
The coulouring was done AFTER the original chart. Thus, the chart itself is in no way influenced by my opinion.
If you think categories are missing, please tell me! I want as many facts as possible, regardless of which OS they favor.
That said, I did do the colouring according to my opinion. I did not color one column after another, thus I also did not deliberately colour one of them with more green than others.
I think my methods are as balanced as they can possibly be.
If you have another opinion, feel free to colour the chart differently!
(there is no copyright )
Again: Feel free to colour the chart differently, to show your opinions!
Please don't flame each others' opinions! State your own opinions by colouring the chart, but fon't flame!
Also, if you think categories are missing, please tell me!
Anyone with knowledge want to add Symbian?
I hear Nokia plan to release a few great devices, but I don't know enough about Symbian, unfortunately.
I think it all depends on your view of each item. I don't think most of them can be shown as pure green or red, except maybe on the items that either have it or they don't. For example you may say full multitasking on OS is green but what comes with that? More apps may bog the system down or make the battery not last as long. I know on my Touch Pro2 I always kill an app from the task manager when I close it because I don't want it to effect anything like that. So in someone else's eyes full multitasking may not be a good thing. And differences in opinion can go either way on most of those. So yes that is your opinion and I respect it but I'll stick to the chart without color for a less biased view of the OS's.
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For example you may say full multitasking on OS is green but what comes with that?
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You know what, I really cannot believe that people on this forum are even having this discussion.
UNIX was a multi-user, multi-tasking operating system RELEASED IN 1969.
That's 40 YEARS AGO.
So if you try and take the M$/Apple side on this argument, it's tantamount to admitting that technology should take a 40 year step backwards, and that you honestly believe that the development of timesharing/multi-tasking, which reinvented computing and made it accessible to every person, was a bad thing.
@Kloc
Wasn't that disclaimer big enough? Didn't I say it's purely MY OPINION?!
What the f*** is so hard to understand about that?!
I want multitasking, that's why it's green.
I want customization, that's why it's green.
I hate iTunes, that's why it's red.
And so on. If you have a different opinion, you can make your own colours!
I encourage you to state your own opinion (for example taky my chart and change the colours), but mine is NOT up for discussion!
The coloured chart represents my own, very personal opinion! NOTHING ELSE.
That is why I do not post it in the first post of this thread. The chart in the first post is NOT coloured, because it is FREE FROM OPINIONS.
Everybody is able to take the NON-COLOURED chart and from his own opinion.
Spike15 said:
You know what, I really cannot believe that people on this forum are even having this discussion.
UNIX was a multi-user, multi-tasking operating system RELEASED IN 1969.
That's 40 YEARS AGO.
So if you try and take the M$/Apple side on this argument, it's tantamount to admitting that technology should take a 40 year step backwards, and that you honestly believe that the development of timesharing/multi-tasking, which reinvented computing and made it accessible to every person, was a bad thing.
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Yes and Apple and MS's OS's are both multitasking and multithreaded OS's. Just beause they won't allow everyone to use it doesn't mean it can't. Non multitasking systems are something like old DOS. You go to print a document and you have to wait until the entire thing is printed before you can do something else. These systems are nothing like that. They are trying to innovate how multitasking is used in order to have effeicency on their devices.
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Sadly, I won't get it til general availablity and I don't know which phone. Microsoft peeps are still being cagey with it. The guy wouldn't even let me take a pic of a LG WP7 device even though it's been all over the internet already. The only real new info I've gleaned is that they will support basic exchange policies like pin unlock and remote wipe. Still going to try and fenagle some more info out of them.
WTH? Congratulations!!
cool can i have it?
Congrats!.........
Depending on what they say, I might just get a HD2. The WP7 device is supposed to be general availability and they might make devices available before then and I'm not willing to wait.
niceeee
thats lucky and awesome!
Remember to colaborate with XDA and help WP7 become more awesome .
Windows 7 phone is dead before the official release
cgigate said:
Windows 7 phone is dead before the official release
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After having seen it in person, the whole OS is rather impressive. While it may not on paper be the #1 phone OS, it is rather good and will put up a good fight. Oh and they've only shown off around 70% of the OS's features. More positive info will come to light as we near launch.
RustyGrom said:
After having seen it in person, the whole OS is rather impressive.
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Did your opinion change for the better? I may be wrong, but I recall you were pretty negative about it.
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Oh and they've only shown off around 70% of the OS's features.
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Do you know this from seeing the features or is it what you think will happen?
vangrieg said:
Did your opinion change for the better? I may be wrong, but I recall you were pretty negative about it.
Do you know this from seeing the features or is it what you think will happen?
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I think I've always been relatively positive about the new OS. While some of the new restrictions are annoyingly restrictive, I don't think it'll be a problem for us. In one of the sessions today they showed off how devs will be able to unlock phones and it was just a desktop app that talks to the store. I can easily see this app being modified to just not talk to the store but I'm betting there will need to be more done than this. So while I still wish MS would open up the dev platform more, I somewhat respect the decisions they've made and I don't think it will be hard for the rest of us to have phones we can do as we wish with.
It was stated earlier in the week by one of the members of the WP7 team that only 70-80% of the OS had been shown off up to this point. However, after going hands on with a device for a while today, I didn't find much that we haven't seen yet. The whole thing is fluid and is super intuitive. It really is a joy to use. So I'm not sure how much is left to unveil but it seems rather useable today. But none of the WP7 guys that I talked to are using it full time yet so that's kind of telling.
nice... congrats... HD2 is still better looking then any of the WP7 phones we've seen... the only one that beats it is the prototype images of HD3 made in photoshop lol... dell lightening comes close, but hw keyboard kills it as well... just get the HD2, then u'll have to option of running 6.5 or android (90% possible so far) and prolly even wp7 when it comes out since it conforms to all specs ...
Pics or it didn't happen!
Jeeze. Necro thread!
I ended up deciding to wait for a WP7 device. The HD2 they had was a european model and couldn't do 3G here. A smartphone without 3G is useless. So I wait til October like everyone else. But at least it will be free.
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nice... congrats... HD2 is still better looking then any of the WP7 phones we've seen... the only one that beats it is the prototype images of HD3 made in photoshop lol... dell lightening comes close, but hw keyboard kills it as well... just get the HD2, then u'll have to option of running 6.5 or android (90% possible so far) and prolly even wp7 when it comes out since it conforms to all specs ...
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Not all the specs, AFAIK the chipsets in the HD2 do not conform to all the hardware specs that Microsoft has made for Windows Phone 7 compatibility. Things like the hardware image scaler for example are not present in the HD2, nor is support for hardware acceleration of the VC-1 codec.
Scott Hanselman just got his phone:
- http://www.hanselman.com/blog/WindowsPhone7FirstImpressions.aspx
Rob Miles had one for a while:
- http://www.robmiles.com/journal/category/windows-phone
Scott Hanselman's overview was pretty good. He constantly praised the platform as being surprisingly fast and stated he loved the mobile bing maps. The only cons he seems to have is copy/paste.
More importantly the merged Facebook contacts problem. I think we might see that changed before launch.
Hanselman also pointed something I was also afraid of:
Facebook integration with contacts is a mistake.
Also:
"There's a lot of "it just works" stuff going on. I'm used to everything being configurable."
I'm a bit shocked that they don't have a way to control the facebook integration. I mean this is one of Kin's headline features (that you could have different levels of "friends"). Hopefully this is something they're just hiding til launch. Not sure why they would but there's hope.
That being said, it doesn't really bother me since I "only" have about 300 or so people on facebook. If I get annoyed I'll just delete people from my FB. I probably should do that anyways, heh.
doministry said:
"There's a lot of "it just works" stuff going on. I'm used to everything being configurable."
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"It'll take a while to get used to "it just works" from Microsoft. All in all, I'm pleasantly surprised as everything has just worked"
doministry said:
"There's a lot of "it just works" stuff going on. I'm used to everything being configurable."
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Geek problem 101 (most Windows Mobile users in this forum do nothing but scream all day about it.)
The thing is, IT JUST WORKS, so there's little reason to ***** about not having the spend hours configuring things
Windcape said:
Geek problem 101 (most Windows Mobile users in this forum do nothing but scream all day about it.)
The thing is, IT JUST WORKS, so there's little reason to ***** about not having the spend hours configuring things
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It's going to be hard for me at first. But I know it'll be refreshing.
RustyGrom said:
It's going to be hard for me at first. But I know it'll be refreshing.
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just imagine how frustrated you will be if you went back to your old phone after spending time with wp7 & getting use to "it just works", unless of course MS somehow manages to screw up wp7
Windcape said:
Geek problem 101 (most Windows Mobile users in this forum do nothing but scream all day about it.)
The thing is, IT JUST WORKS, so there's little reason to ***** about not having the spend hours configuring things
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Ah by the way I was just quoting a developer review.
So they're probably meaningless geeks.
Why to bring their reviews here than?
I would just give phones to people on the street and make the interviews
with them after 10 - 15 minutes fiddling with device.
But this is Scott Hanselman!
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But this is Scott Hanselman!
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So, what about that?
doministry said:
So, what about that?
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It would make sense to you if you were a developer
What about this:
"If Windows Mobile 7 fails to gain support, three smart phone platforms seem destined to dominate the world:"
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Windcape said:
It would make sense to you if you were a developer
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I have no idea what are you talking about.
vetvito said:
What about this:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1224/4730246915_e1f534ba13.jpg
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Useless data with no information about the target audience is pointless.
MSDN is still king of the developer networks, and everybody who's in the .NET or XNA community is seems ready to play with WP7.
There's a much larger amount of .NET developers wanting to tinker with WP7, than Java developers wanting to tinker with Android.
And the business model is still much better for WP7 than Android. Specially for European application developers, where Android Market still don't support buying applications in a very large number of countries.
doministry said:
I have no idea what are you talking about.
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Of course not. You're just a user, a sheep, you aren't meant to understand anything.
To be fair, the amount of sheeps in this forum keep to amaze me.
Windcape said:
Useless data with no information about the target audience is pointless.
MSDN is still king of the developer networks, and everybody who's in the .NET or XNA community is seems ready to play with WP7.
There's a much larger amount of .NET developers wanting to tinker with WP7, than Java developers wanting to tinker with Android.
And the business model is still much better for WP7 than Android. Specially for European application developers, where Android Market still don't support buying applications in a very large number of countries.
Of course not. You're just a user, a sheep, you aren't meant to understand anything.
To be fair, the amount of sheeps in this forum keep to amaze me.
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You know what, you start to annoy me.
Your post was just simply not clear in context that's why I asked.
If you still want to perfom here this rude and pointless attitude of beeing I don't know who,
just get the **** out of here and spam somwhere else.
I have no reason to be offended here by such a prick.
Hopefully admins see that.
It's not me doing personal attacks and insults to everybody disagreeing with my opinions.
Windcape said:
It's not me doing personal attacks and insults to everybody disagreeing with my opinions.
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Yes it is exactly you, deprecating other posters here.
Actually many "sheeps" here show much better, well based argumentation and better situation overview,
than you "developer" or whoever you are.
Calling non-developers for sheeps is hardly a insult, it's a metaphor, and I didn't invent it.
Using rude/fowl language, personal attacks, and direct insults however, is a totally different story. But it's typical ignorant haters like yourself.
Windcape said:
Calling non-developers for sheeps is hardly a insult, it's a metaphor, and I didn't invent it.
Using rude/fowl language, personal attacks, and direct insults however, is a totally different story. But it's typical ignorant haters like yourself.
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You see, you again use words in a negative context.
In fact I'm not any hater, nor ignorant, nor even typical.
If you don't know what you write stop writing.
But first leave.
Interesting article on Engadget:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/11/windows-phone-7-marketplace-hits-10-000-apps-wp7-updates-still/
Wonder what all the naysayers are going to say now
Hit 10K+ apps in less than 4 1/2 months is great. I figure when Microsoft opens up more portions of the OS and adds multi-tasking, it's really going to skyrocket. WP7 is here to stay
it only makes sense. Back when the iPhone broke the scene, apps were unheard of. Apple popularized them. By the time wp7 comes along, its the norm.
I love wp7 and will probly stick with it for a looong time, but you have to take a 'record' like this with a grain of salt.
sure haven't said:
it only makes sense. Back when the iPhone broke the scene, apps were unheard of. Apple popularized them. By the time wp7 comes along, its the norm.
I love wp7 and will probly stick with it for a looong time, but you have to take a 'record' like this with a grain of salt.
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granted, but what you can't take with a grain of salt is the app-able mobile operating systems that wp7 is having to compete against for business and/or the attention of developers.
congrats msft!
Pretty impressive just a shame about the lack of api's available to the developers at the moment..
sure haven't said:
it only makes sense. Back when the iPhone broke the scene, apps were unheard of. Apple popularized them. By the time wp7 comes along, its the norm.
I love wp7 and will probly stick with it for a looong time, but you have to take a 'record' like this with a grain of salt.
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Tell that to Brew Mobile, Bada OS, Symbian ^3, and WebOS. This means something and it is a pity people prefer to post in threads bashing WP7's lack of speedy updates but fail to see how amazing the app progression has been.
Despite locking down many APIs! The only criticism I do have is this aspect since I really would love to see skype and whatsapp on WP7.
I don't know if like me you regularly check the marketplace for new apps but over the last 2-3 weeks the amount of crap has risen considerably.
I'd prefer it if apps were growing slower but with more quality.
obligatory over 9000 post
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I don't know if like me you regularly check the marketplace for new apps but over the last 2-3 weeks the amount of crap has risen considerably.
I'd prefer it if apps were growing slower but with more quality.
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While I agree with you, many less informed people out there relate amount of apps to the success of the OS.
So having lots is a good thing if WP7 is to encourage more and more buyers.
cyclical said:
While I agree with you, many less informed people out there relate amount of apps to the success of the OS.
So having lots is a good thing if WP7 is to encourage more and more buyers.
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Yeah I guess when it comes to perception you're right.
all the app stores are full of crap with a smaller selection of really good apps/games. I think they are using the fact that app development has not slowed as a positive sign going forward.
nicksti said:
Tell that to Brew Mobile, Bada OS, Symbian ^3, and WebOS. This means something and it is a pity people prefer to post in threads bashing WP7's lack of speedy updates but fail to see how amazing the app progression has been.
Despite locking down many APIs! The only criticism I do have is this aspect since I really would love to see skype and whatsapp on WP7.
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fuzemaster said:
granted, but what you can't take with a grain of salt is the app-able mobile operating systems that wp7 is having to compete against for business and/or the attention of developers.
congrats msft!
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Alright, that actually makes sense.
I'm not too manly to admit it: I was wrong on the internet.
nicksti said:
Tell that to Brew Mobile, Bada OS, Symbian ^3, and WebOS. This means something and it is a pity people prefer to post in threads bashing WP7's lack of speedy updates but fail to see how amazing the app progression has been.
Despite locking down many APIs! The only criticism I do have is this aspect since I really would love to see skype and whatsapp on WP7.
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WP7 has more developers than users. Those other OS's didn't throw as much bait money as Microsoft, plus they don't have all the big name OEMs behind them.
What bait money? You do realize that developers have to actually PAY money to be in the marketplace?
What is the point vetvito? You are the end user not the owner of the business. I mean, people just want to criticize sometimes.
So they spent a ton of money getting apps for their product. The consumer won. How is that a problem for us, the consumer?
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What bait money? You do realize that developers have to actually PAY money to be in the marketplace?
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Digger, that is what comes out when people have an agenda. Do not get tricked into that kind of discussion. Microsoft did hire a bunch of developers to push an initial offering of apps for WP7.
But that does not matter at all. We are the consumer. We want apps. Microsoft gave us 10,000 apps in no time at all.
Trust me, the next criticism to come is that 100% of the apps are junk. I can see it a mile away.
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What bait money? You do realize that developers have to actually PAY money to be in the marketplace?
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http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/...elopers-build-apps-windows-phone-7/2010-07-14
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/06/1...pers-to-port-iphone-apps-to-windows-mobile-7/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/microsoft-paying-for-windows-phone-7-apps/
Should I post more, or are you going to search for yourself?
vetvito said:
http://www.fiercemobilecontent.com/...elopers-build-apps-windows-phone-7/2010-07-14
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/06/1...pers-to-port-iphone-apps-to-windows-mobile-7/
http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/microsoft-paying-for-windows-phone-7-apps/
Should I post more, or are you going to search for yourself?
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Yes, they did. You are the end user and this is good for you.
All I can say, from my limited experience with WP7 apps...actually games, they are re-sponsored ports of iPhone games. One classic example it Fruit Ninja. It's on nearly all systems but the one it appears to be designed for is the iPhone. The WP7 version and Android version isn't optimized for the system and screen aspect ratio. And the WP7 version was put out by MS. Apparently MS contracted with the dev to get it on WP7. There are other examples of this also.
So a portion of 3rd party apps are put out by MS, themselves, and not by their devs.
What a terribly biased article.
Just look at the headline:
Windows Phone 7 Marketplace hits 10,000 apps, Microsoft WP7 updates still way outnumbered
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The two parts have sweet FA to do with each other and the second half has absolutely nothing to do with the article....
Casey
MartyLK said:
And the WP7 version was put out by MS. Apparently MS contracted with the dev to get it on WP7. There are other examples of this also.
So a portion of 3rd party apps are put out by MS, themselves, and not by their devs.
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All Xbox Live games have to be put out by a publisher (similar to in the console market). Games like Fruit Ninja and Angry Birds typically don't have publisher backing so Microsoft becomes the publisher. Microsoft's involvement doesn't extend beyond getting the game released.
I've been an WP7 advocate since it first appeared Q1 2010 and has avidly followed it up until I finally bought my HD7 back in Dec 2010. I love my device and the simplicity behind the OS, but there's a lot lacking. While the marketplace is booming with activity, there's still little developer support because of its you product life and I feel mango is launching a little late. In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that. And is the sole reason I will be switching back to android for a short minute until WP7 matures into something like this: The Early Concepts of WP7
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A lot of hardware has launched with Android at the heart and its harder and harder to not acknowledge that. Just look at the Samsung Galaxy S2.
This is not to be a troll thread, and all I'm merely asking is anyone feeling like me.
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In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that.
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I can deny that.
Further, I don't understand what those concepts feature that today's WP7 lacks. The ability to read email and answer phone calls?
This is absolutely a troll thread.
First you say this...
krjcook said:
I've been an WP7 advocate since it first appeared Q1 2010...
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But then you follow it with this...
krjcook said:
In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that.
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I can and DO deny this preposterous statement. WP7 has some shortcomings right now, but none of them are severe enough to prevent me from using and liking the phone. It is FAR from "abysmal".
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This is not to be a troll thread.
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Could have fooled me.
iOS and Android set the trend now Windows Phone 7 is refining it. Look at Mango... the things they've added...its not bolt ons, its not widgets or workarounds its deeply integrated things that have been well thought out and implemented. The Zune Software is a great example of this too and often gets overlooked. iTunes is an abhorrent mess, and Google well, you've got to search 3rd parties for something that provide the services that should be a core part of the operating system.
Wp7 is worth the wait. I spent way too much time messing around with android to get things working as they should.
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Schismal said:
I can deny that.
Further, I don't understand what those concepts feature that today's WP7 lacks. The ability to read email and answer phone calls?
This is absolutely a troll thread.
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I had a feeling someone would jump off the deep end and come at aggressively with the troll remarks. Look me up on Xbl: keenancook , I have WP7 gaming achievements because I own the HD7. But anyways, those pics were show what WP7 may have in the future and why I'm still considering the OS. But WP7 lacking a lot:
Applications, application, applications. WP7 is just lacking, time is what it needs and how many people are willing to wait.
Big Dev's aren't paying too much attention
Main System Menu is BLAND
Too Much Scrolling Just to get where I need.
Marketplace needs revision.
Having to Wait For Features.
As much as I like Android for what it is, I will never go back to that abysmally fragmented OS and half-baked feel. I can wait for Mango, which is bringing 80-90% of the features I wanted, and will see a huge surge in applications with all the new API's released.
wp7 UI is infinitely better than anything else out right now for me, and you add Mango to that, and I am very happy.
so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...
sHAYM4N said:
iOS and Android set the trend now Windows Phone 7 is refining it. Look at Mango... the things they've added...its not bolt ons, its not widgets or workarounds its deeply integrated things that have been well thought out and implemented. The Zune Software is a great example of this too and often gets overlooked. iTunes is an abhorrent mess, and Google well, you've got to search 3rd parties for something that provide the services that should be a core part of the operating system.
Wp7 is worth the wait. I spent way too much time messing around with android to get things working as they should.
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I completely agree about Zune, I've been using it since I first got my Zune 30. Its the MultiMedia Playback Software both visually and from a performance standpoint, Itune/DoubleTwist lags on my PC.
But my problem isn't with Zune, its WP7. Am I the only one who's sick of all the poorly developed apps by amateurs, because the professionals aren't interested? Tired of waiting for a decent banking app? Where my Wachovia App? What about my Onstar App? Wtf is up with the expensive pricing or XBLA games? I would love to play Cut the Rope, how long do I have to wait for that? Free Turn by Turn GPs is coming, but only in 2D, with no orientation, How long do I have to wait for that?
munkeyphyst said:
so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...
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my thoughts exactly
munkeyphyst said:
so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...
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Obviously you just don't get it. You CAN'T like it for what it is, because it "is still an abysmal OS". Didn't you know that??
krjcook said:
Tired of waiting for a decent banking app? Where my Wachovia App? What about my Onstar App? Wtf is up with the expensive pricing or XBLA games? I would love to play Cut the Rope, how long do I have to wait for that? Free Turn by Turn GPs is coming, but only in 2D, with no orientation, How long do I have to wait for that?
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You don't have to wait for any of those things. Go buy an Android today, and boom! You're there. You can't have it both ways, though. You can't buy into a fledgling ecosystem and then act betrayed by the fact that it isn't as mature as one that has existed for years. That is a naive and immature reaction.
As for the apps you are clamoring for, many weren't possible with the APIs that have been available to developers. Microsoft realized this, and just this week released a new developer kit that includes over 1500 new APIs, which will cause the marketplace to expand at a much more rapid pace in the coming months.
WT? I'm for customization but this new concept looks like an Android on crack cocaine.
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/nokias-complete-redesign-of-windows-phone
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http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/nokias-complete-redesign-of-windows-phone:confused:
I don't think this UI design was given any serious consideration. Note that the designer is now reassigned.
This is some concept that was found in someones bin. It was most likely done during lunch break as a joke. In fact I'd say its quite old.
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gentry33 said:
I don't think this UI design was given any serious consideration. Note that the designer is now reassigned.
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Didn't notice that LOL, maybe this design was the reason he reassigned.
sinister1 said:
Didn't notice that LOL, maybe this design was the reason he reassigned.
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She, ;-) lol
He or she***
That is one of the most terrible UI designs I have ever seen in my life.
0% chance of this being pushed onto the market.
I don't like it to , but if we know how to change the uix format we could make everything possible , the ui is a grapical interface ( see it like a gameplay)
would be real cool if we could find out if they realy changed the uix or that it just is a mockup ( when they realy shanged the uix then I would love the have the files )
Looks like new UI for Symbian or MeeGo
Ballmer said: METRO, METRO, METRO !!!! So no chance to put this into WP devices.
GraphicsBerry said:
Looks like new UI for Symbian or MeeGo
Ballmer said: METRO, METRO, METRO !!!! So no chance to put this into WP devices.
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Nokia actually does have permission to edit the UI. Highly doubt they will though as it'll be a lot of effort for what? Someone from Nokia said they rather just spend that time making apps than modding the UI
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I don't like it to , but if we know how to change the uix format we could make everything possible , the ui is a grapical interface ( see it like a gameplay)
would be real cool if we could find out if they realy changed the uix or that it just is a mockup ( when they realy shanged the uix then I would love the have the files )
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I agree, I've found the DLL that contains the "Start Screen" uix/uib files. Just wish I had a way to open & edit them. It'd basically be the same thing as editing cHome CPR's as it's still an xml type layout with scripting added. People have edited these files before in Messenger/Zune, but the format has changed. I just changed my Zune's background.
Nokia does NOT have permission to edit the UI.
Only hubs, and apps. Just like the other OEMs.
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vetvito said:
Nokia does NOT have permission to edit the UI.
Only hubs, and apps. Just like the other OEMs.
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The article this post is about, it specifically states they do have permission;
Remember that on Feb. 16, 2011, at the "Windows Phone Day" seminar, when asked if they would change the Windows Phone UI, Nokia's Chief Technology Officer, Rich Greene, said:
'We certainly do, in the context of this agreement, have the right to manipulate the UX, the UI, etc. but...I'm not speaking for the plan, I'm speaking as the Chief Technology Officer: Why would you? Let me clarify.
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Now if only there were someone @ Nokia who could "leak" the tools they have to edit the files...
prohibido_por_la_ley said:
He or she***
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It specifically states she;
This particular designer was transferred from Nokia to Accenture in September of 2011, so it's very likely that she is no longer working on Windows Phone UI designs since Accenture is the company that Nokia is now outsourcing all of their Symbian related work to.
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57401140-1/custom-uis-on-smartphones-would-you-should-you/
""We certainly do, in the context of this agreement," Greene said, "have the right to manipulate the UX, the UI, etc."
This led some to believe that Nokia has the ability to create a custom skin for Windows Phone, but this is not true. A spokesman for Microsoft's Window Phone team confirmed to Crave this week what we were told from the very beginning--that like the rest of the handset manufacturers, Nokia can only customize the OS through hubs and applications, and making any changes to the actual UI is not allowed."
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vetvito said:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57401140-1/custom-uis-on-smartphones-would-you-should-you/
""We certainly do, in the context of this agreement," Greene said, "have the right to manipulate the UX, the UI, etc."
This led some to believe that Nokia has the ability to create a custom skin for Windows Phone, but this is not true. A spokesman for Microsoft's Window Phone team confirmed to Crave this week what we were told from the very beginning--that like the rest of the handset manufacturers, Nokia can only customize the OS through hubs and applications, and making any changes to the actual UI is not allowed."
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The question remains, who is right? You can't take either persons' word. Would need to see the actually contract that was signed to see who is right. So, what can be said is Nokia may or may not have this right, which remains to be seen.
I still tend to believe they do as why else would they have tools to edit the UIX/UIB files to create this mock-up shown. MS wouldn't just give those tools to just anyone.
drkfngthdragnlrd said:
The question remains, who is right? You can't take either persons' word. Would need to see the actually contract that was signed to see who is right. So, what can be said is Nokia may or may not have this right, which remains to be seen.
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I can agree with that. No one knows, and they haven't actually modified anything.
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I still tend to believe they do as why else would they have tools to edit the UIX/UIB files to create this mock-up shown. MS wouldn't just give those tools to just anyone.
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Its just that, a mock up. Nothing more, and it was made in spare time as a side project.
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vetvito said:
I can agree with that. No one knows, and they haven't actually modified anything.
Its just that, a mock up. Nothing more, and it was made in spare time as a side project.
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I would assume that Nokia do have the right to edit the UI, they have been given some higher permissions than other OEMs and Microsoft would have offered them quite a bit to make the jump (they've been trying to persuade nokia to get on the Windows hype since Windows Mobile 6.0).
I wouldn't think of anything as drastic in this thread though... I do see it likely that they change the font to Nokia Pure and small tweaks like that.
If Nokia's change that to the interface.... I would not buy one...
One you said "she" I was going to say...Oh there's your problem but, I figured I would get in trouble for a comment like that...sorry if anyone took offence...
but, Man, that UI is bad....
Hope Nokia does not go about skinning WP7. It would lead to same problems as major Android skinners - Samsung and HTC - phones.
We have to wait for ICS for 5 months because HTC has to develop a new version of Sense..