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Windows 7 Windows Live intergration

I don't know if it's been asked, but what kind of Windows Live intergration will we see. Will it be the half-ass stuff we see now, or will we FINALLY see calendar syncing.
I guess I should have just asked if we'll see windows Live calendar in Windows Phone 7.

I was about to ask the same thing. I heard in one of the videos that multiple calendars would be supported (Ie: work, personnal etc...) Now I'm digging in the emulator to see if WL Cal is finally supported, so I can ditch gmail alltogether.
EDIT: I just went through the emulator, and since we can't add email accounts, I can't deny nor confirm the existence of WL Cal sync.
Allthough I SWEAR I heard Joe Belfiore saying that WLCal is supported...

it better be. It's really no excuse for it not being in there all this time to be honest.

smokeyb111 said:
I don't know if it's been asked, but what kind of Windows Live intergration will we see. Will it be the half-ass stuff we see now, or will we FINALLY see calendar syncing.
I guess I should have just asked if we'll see windows Live calendar in Windows Phone 7.
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you will probably see an app developed by MS for iphone before that.
How I hate MS for that. The new bing website looks so good on an iphone..
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and so crappy on my HTC Pure

chiks19018 said:
How I hate MS for that. The new bing website looks so good on an iphone..
and so crappy on my HTC Pure
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That's not the website, it's the Bing app on the iPhone.
But yes, it DOES look better than the Bing app on WM

I do realize that....but you know what I mean...that app is not available for WM6+

chiks19018 said:
I do realize that....but you know what I mean...that app is not available for WM6+
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It is! That screenshot is from the Bing app for WM.
Or did I misunderstand something?

C:Sharp! said:
It is! That screenshot is from the Bing app for WM.
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Not available on m.bing.com/download
They are handing out the utterly finger unresponsive app shown below

Seriously? They're still not distributing the new one? OMG.
But even the new one is worse than the one for the iPhone.
That's how you know their mobile division is screwed.

C:Sharp! said:
Seriously? They're still not distributing the new one? OMG.
But even the new one is worse than the one for the iPhone.
That's how you know their mobile division is screwed.
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I had the new one but went back to the uglier old one. The new one would not save a found address to contacts. And the older one is a little more finger friendly. The newer one just looks better...style but not enough substance.
It's a shame the iPhone one look's so much better, but I think it has something to do with the SDK. iPhone's SDK probably lends itself to great looking apps with minimal effort by the developer as opposed to WM.

C:Sharp! said:
That's not the website, it's the Bing app on the iPhone.
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They do have a Bing mobile website for the iPhone (and I think maybe certain other devices) that makes m.bing.com look like a piece of crap. They also have the good iPhone app, as you pointed out. On WM I just stuck with the old Live Search App because it has Movies and Gas Prices and such.
Back on topic, Windows Live is fully integrated, including the Calendar.

WhyBe said:
It's a shame the iPhone one look's so much better, but I think it has something to do with the SDK. iPhone's SDK probably lends itself to great looking apps with minimal effort by the developer as opposed to WM.
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You are right. But then, why did they have to dump the whole OS, if a new SDK would have been the solution to most of theri problems?
Imagine WM6.5 with a better UI and a good SDK. Problems solved. They could have released that a year ago and it would have been perfectly competitive to the iPhone.
Instead, they did nothing for more than one and a half years, cause they could not figure out what to do (though everyone here knew it). In the end, there was no other option left than dump the whole OS and start a new one, without all the things we loved about WM. Sad.
They screwed up completely and they still don't know what to do. The fights within the company still aren't over (though the iPhone enviers within MS won the first round). This is inexcusable.

C:Sharp! said:
You are right. But then, why did they have to dump the whole OS, if a new SDK would have been the solution to most of theri problems?
Imagine WM6.5 with a better UI and a good SDK. Problems solved. They could have released that a year ago and it would have been perfectly competitive to the iPhone.
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You're making huge assumptions here. How do you know that's the only problem with WM.
Instead, they did nothing for more than one and a half years, cause they could not figure out what to do (though everyone here knew it). In the end, there was no other option left than dump the whole OS and start a new one, without all the things we loved about WM. Sad.
They screwed up completely and they still don't know what to do. The fights within the company still aren't over (though the iPhone enviers within MS won the first round). This is inexcusable.
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Again, you're being very presumptuous. Do have inside information or something?

I do have a bit of information, yes. But most of it is widely known, anyway.
How do I know that the ugly, non-fingerfriendly UI and the lousy SDK were Windows Mobile's main problems? Just a bit of common sense.
After all, what were the things that made the iPhone successful? It's easy to use and it has apps, apps, apps.
It certainly weren't the lousy camera or the lack of features or the annoying restrictions.

I think it'll be tightly integrated since you'll be able to see peoples updates through the windows live profiles as well.
I hope it has good integration so I can finally have one consitent contact list. Some are an outlook, some are on messenger. Having doubles is a pain in the beginning and take a good time to clean it up. Now they're both on my phone but still half/half on my software.

C:Sharp! said:
...After all, what were the things that made the iPhone successful? It's easy to use and it has apps, apps, apps.
It certainly weren't the lousy camera or the lack of features or the annoying restrictions.
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iPhone was successful long before it had apps. It was a great product despite it's perceived flaws. WP7 should follow suit.

WhyBe said:
iPhone was successful long before it had apps. It was a great product despite it's perceived flaws. WP7 should follow suit.
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And what made it successful before it had apps?
It certainly weren't the lousy camera or the lack of features or the annoying restrictions.
It was the UI. Everyone could use that thing, it was even easier to use than most people's dumbphones, thus they had no problems switching to the iPhone and of course, they liked it, cause it could do much more than the dumbphones they had before. They didn't know that Windows Mobile existed and had much more features and they didn't care, cause Windows Mobile was not as easy to use as a dumbphone.
Before the iPhone had apps, a good UI would have been enough for Windows Mobile. When the iPhone got an SDK, a good SDK would have saved Windows Mobile (plus maybe an appstore).
It's that easy, but Microsoft screwed it all up.

WP7 vs. iPhone vs. Android vs. WM6.5 vs. webOS vs. Maemo - THE comparison!

Here's my comparison between WP7, iPhone OS, Android and WM6.5, webOS and Maemo!
It's been about time that somebody did it.
It's a work in progress, I will add and update things.
This chart is meant to be free from any opinion, it shall only contain the pure facts.
There's only one simple rule: No hacking! No unsupported, unallowed, illegal methods or any methods that are a breach of licence agreements.
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ndrive and co-pilot are available to iphone too

Thanks, will be added.

They have stated that copy and paste is currently being implemented now in WP7.

Kloc said:
They have stated that copy and paste is currently being implemented now in WP7.
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Source ?

It will be added to the chart when it becomes available.
(sorry, but I don't believe it will become available soon after launch - I will, however, add it, if the PROMISE to make it available)

Spike15 said:
Source ?
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microsoft sent a statement saying that they listened to what people have said and are looking how to put a great copy and paste in wp7.
They did not say if it will be available at launch (probably not).

Sethos II said:
It will be added to the chart when it becomes available.
(sorry, but I don't believe it will become available soon after launch - I will, however, add it, if the PROMISE to make it available)
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We will probably have to wait until closer to launch to see how far they've gotten on that.

Of course. Any facts or at least promised features will be added, but I want to keep the chart free from speculation.

Ganondolf said:
microsoft sent a statement saying that they listened to what people have said and are looking how to put a great copy and paste in wp7.
They did not say if it will be available at launch (probably not).
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Source?

Shasarak said:
Source?
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I was posted on Engadget a while back go search for it.

This is my assessment:
Disclaimer: This coloured chart reflects my opinion, of course you can have your own. Please, don't try to discuss with me about my opinion, I don't want to do so. I will form my opinion based on trying things myself and research.

Sethos II said:
This is my assessment:
Disclaimer: This coloured chart reflects my opinion, of course you can have your own. Please, don't try to discuss with me about my opinion, I don't want to do so. I will form my opinion based on trying things myself and research.
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Hmm there's something strange about that chart. One of those columns just doesn't look like the other three. Wonder if options were made to reflect that?

When I made the chart, I tried to find as many categories as possible. I did not think about opinions, I just tried to collect facts.
The coulouring was done AFTER the original chart. Thus, the chart itself is in no way influenced by my opinion.
If you think categories are missing, please tell me! I want as many facts as possible, regardless of which OS they favor.
That said, I did do the colouring according to my opinion. I did not color one column after another, thus I also did not deliberately colour one of them with more green than others.
I think my methods are as balanced as they can possibly be.
If you have another opinion, feel free to colour the chart differently!
(there is no copyright )

Again: Feel free to colour the chart differently, to show your opinions!
Please don't flame each others' opinions! State your own opinions by colouring the chart, but fon't flame!
Also, if you think categories are missing, please tell me!

Anyone with knowledge want to add Symbian?
I hear Nokia plan to release a few great devices, but I don't know enough about Symbian, unfortunately.

I think it all depends on your view of each item. I don't think most of them can be shown as pure green or red, except maybe on the items that either have it or they don't. For example you may say full multitasking on OS is green but what comes with that? More apps may bog the system down or make the battery not last as long. I know on my Touch Pro2 I always kill an app from the task manager when I close it because I don't want it to effect anything like that. So in someone else's eyes full multitasking may not be a good thing. And differences in opinion can go either way on most of those. So yes that is your opinion and I respect it but I'll stick to the chart without color for a less biased view of the OS's.

Kloc said:
For example you may say full multitasking on OS is green but what comes with that?
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You know what, I really cannot believe that people on this forum are even having this discussion.
UNIX was a multi-user, multi-tasking operating system RELEASED IN 1969.
That's 40 YEARS AGO.
So if you try and take the M$/Apple side on this argument, it's tantamount to admitting that technology should take a 40 year step backwards, and that you honestly believe that the development of timesharing/multi-tasking, which reinvented computing and made it accessible to every person, was a bad thing.

@Kloc
Wasn't that disclaimer big enough? Didn't I say it's purely MY OPINION?!
What the f*** is so hard to understand about that?!
I want multitasking, that's why it's green.
I want customization, that's why it's green.
I hate iTunes, that's why it's red.
And so on. If you have a different opinion, you can make your own colours!
I encourage you to state your own opinion (for example taky my chart and change the colours), but mine is NOT up for discussion!
The coloured chart represents my own, very personal opinion! NOTHING ELSE.
That is why I do not post it in the first post of this thread. The chart in the first post is NOT coloured, because it is FREE FROM OPINIONS.
Everybody is able to take the NON-COLOURED chart and from his own opinion.

Spike15 said:
You know what, I really cannot believe that people on this forum are even having this discussion.
UNIX was a multi-user, multi-tasking operating system RELEASED IN 1969.
That's 40 YEARS AGO.
So if you try and take the M$/Apple side on this argument, it's tantamount to admitting that technology should take a 40 year step backwards, and that you honestly believe that the development of timesharing/multi-tasking, which reinvented computing and made it accessible to every person, was a bad thing.
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Yes and Apple and MS's OS's are both multitasking and multithreaded OS's. Just beause they won't allow everyone to use it doesn't mean it can't. Non multitasking systems are something like old DOS. You go to print a document and you have to wait until the entire thing is printed before you can do something else. These systems are nothing like that. They are trying to innovate how multitasking is used in order to have effeicency on their devices.

Developer Reviews

Scott Hanselman just got his phone:
- http://www.hanselman.com/blog/WindowsPhone7FirstImpressions.aspx
Rob Miles had one for a while:
- http://www.robmiles.com/journal/category/windows-phone

Scott Hanselman's overview was pretty good. He constantly praised the platform as being surprisingly fast and stated he loved the mobile bing maps. The only cons he seems to have is copy/paste.

More importantly the merged Facebook contacts problem. I think we might see that changed before launch.

Hanselman also pointed something I was also afraid of:
Facebook integration with contacts is a mistake.
Also:
"There's a lot of "it just works" stuff going on. I'm used to everything being configurable."

I'm a bit shocked that they don't have a way to control the facebook integration. I mean this is one of Kin's headline features (that you could have different levels of "friends"). Hopefully this is something they're just hiding til launch. Not sure why they would but there's hope.
That being said, it doesn't really bother me since I "only" have about 300 or so people on facebook. If I get annoyed I'll just delete people from my FB. I probably should do that anyways, heh.
doministry said:
"There's a lot of "it just works" stuff going on. I'm used to everything being configurable."
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"It'll take a while to get used to "it just works" from Microsoft. All in all, I'm pleasantly surprised as everything has just worked"

doministry said:
"There's a lot of "it just works" stuff going on. I'm used to everything being configurable."
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Geek problem 101 (most Windows Mobile users in this forum do nothing but scream all day about it.)
The thing is, IT JUST WORKS, so there's little reason to ***** about not having the spend hours configuring things

Windcape said:
Geek problem 101 (most Windows Mobile users in this forum do nothing but scream all day about it.)
The thing is, IT JUST WORKS, so there's little reason to ***** about not having the spend hours configuring things
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It's going to be hard for me at first. But I know it'll be refreshing.

RustyGrom said:
It's going to be hard for me at first. But I know it'll be refreshing.
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just imagine how frustrated you will be if you went back to your old phone after spending time with wp7 & getting use to "it just works", unless of course MS somehow manages to screw up wp7

Windcape said:
Geek problem 101 (most Windows Mobile users in this forum do nothing but scream all day about it.)
The thing is, IT JUST WORKS, so there's little reason to ***** about not having the spend hours configuring things
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Ah by the way I was just quoting a developer review.
So they're probably meaningless geeks.
Why to bring their reviews here than?
I would just give phones to people on the street and make the interviews
with them after 10 - 15 minutes fiddling with device.

But this is Scott Hanselman!

Windcape said:
But this is Scott Hanselman!
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So, what about that?

doministry said:
So, what about that?
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It would make sense to you if you were a developer

What about this:
"If Windows Mobile 7 fails to gain support, three smart phone platforms seem destined to dominate the world:"
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Windcape said:
It would make sense to you if you were a developer
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I have no idea what are you talking about.

vetvito said:
What about this:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1224/4730246915_e1f534ba13.jpg
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Useless data with no information about the target audience is pointless.
MSDN is still king of the developer networks, and everybody who's in the .NET or XNA community is seems ready to play with WP7.
There's a much larger amount of .NET developers wanting to tinker with WP7, than Java developers wanting to tinker with Android.
And the business model is still much better for WP7 than Android. Specially for European application developers, where Android Market still don't support buying applications in a very large number of countries.
doministry said:
I have no idea what are you talking about.
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Of course not. You're just a user, a sheep, you aren't meant to understand anything.
To be fair, the amount of sheeps in this forum keep to amaze me.

Windcape said:
Useless data with no information about the target audience is pointless.
MSDN is still king of the developer networks, and everybody who's in the .NET or XNA community is seems ready to play with WP7.
There's a much larger amount of .NET developers wanting to tinker with WP7, than Java developers wanting to tinker with Android.
And the business model is still much better for WP7 than Android. Specially for European application developers, where Android Market still don't support buying applications in a very large number of countries.
Of course not. You're just a user, a sheep, you aren't meant to understand anything.
To be fair, the amount of sheeps in this forum keep to amaze me.
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You know what, you start to annoy me.
Your post was just simply not clear in context that's why I asked.
If you still want to perfom here this rude and pointless attitude of beeing I don't know who,
just get the **** out of here and spam somwhere else.
I have no reason to be offended here by such a prick.
Hopefully admins see that.

It's not me doing personal attacks and insults to everybody disagreeing with my opinions.

Windcape said:
It's not me doing personal attacks and insults to everybody disagreeing with my opinions.
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Yes it is exactly you, deprecating other posters here.
Actually many "sheeps" here show much better, well based argumentation and better situation overview,
than you "developer" or whoever you are.

Calling non-developers for sheeps is hardly a insult, it's a metaphor, and I didn't invent it.
Using rude/fowl language, personal attacks, and direct insults however, is a totally different story. But it's typical ignorant haters like yourself.

Windcape said:
Calling non-developers for sheeps is hardly a insult, it's a metaphor, and I didn't invent it.
Using rude/fowl language, personal attacks, and direct insults however, is a totally different story. But it's typical ignorant haters like yourself.
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You see, you again use words in a negative context.
In fact I'm not any hater, nor ignorant, nor even typical.
If you don't know what you write stop writing.
But first leave.

Market place apps suck?

Is it just me or are the apps in the WP7 market place really ****ty?
I am still trying to figure out whether to go Android or WP7 so i started checking out the market place. Well, my 1st impression is that there is nothing worth it, and when there is they are plain simple without any worth functionality or add-on.

I agree and posted similar on another thread. Really hope they get better very soon

What?
First of all, the market isn't open to the (general) public yet - there's well over 1,000 apps going through the curation process that aren't actually posted yet.
Of what's there right now, you have tons of desirable applications present such as Slacker Radio, IMDB, Shazam, Foursquare, Twitter, etc.
Stop hunting for things to complain about.

What do you mean not open to the public?
Just open your Zune software and you can easily browse the 1000+ apps that are there. Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.

kazamaza said:
What do you mean not open to the public?
Just open your Zune software and you can easily browse the 1000+ apps that are there. Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.
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i think you need to be a bit patient with WP7. It will all fall into place (hopefully).
Apps will come, let WP7 release first.

kazamaza said:
What do you mean not open to the public?
Just open your Zune software and you can easily browse the 1000+ apps that are there. Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.
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LOL, maybe compare apples to apples
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Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.
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Start naming apps.

When you've actually TRIED the applications let us know. Screenshots and text descriptions do not an application make. Unless your idevice runs WP7 software already then of course you are correct.

The Harvest is up on marketplace now and that looks sweet.

I thinly before just going hay arnt the apps crap you should look at Android marker and itunes and ask yourself what here is any better that wp7 doesn't have or will have within a very small amount of time. I mean its easy to just go oh there so much rubbish but really how many sound bored fart machines and fake beers do you wan?

I just did a quick counted and there are 532 Apps. Not sure what happed on Zune it is only showing 173 now??
More then I expected considering the phone is not launched yet.

Netflix is up, sprint needs to hurry with a wp7 device the epic is pissing my off

I love how quantity = quality

Well, considering Microsoft said that it will LAUNCH with a thousand + apps already in the market. So now we have to know the policies and regulations one's app must meet to get into the market, this is usually how you can tell if the majority of the apps are garbage, or not... Just like if you can tell, the Facebook app on iPhone is better than the Facebook app on Android. The games on iPhone look and feel nicer, and they tend to fail less often. The stricter the rules are, the more polished they come out, at least that is how I look at it.

I'm just glad that companies like netflix, twitter, ebay etc have official apps for WP7. Having those companies back WP7 is a big deal even if Microsoft had to throw some money their way to do it.

kazamaza said:
What do you mean not open to the public?
Just open your Zune software and you can easily browse the 1000+ apps that are there. Nothing comes even close to the apps that are available for my iPod touch for example.
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were you honestly expecting WP7 to have 200,000 apps on it's release? And how can you compare a brand new, unlaunched platform to iOS, which has been in dev hands for years?
There are applications still in development, don't criticize until the marketplace catches steam. Also theres applications that Android and Iphone can only dream of such as Cocktail Flow, just look to see.

krjcook said:
were you honestly expecting WP7 to have 200,000 apps on it's release? And how can you compare a brand new, unlaunched platform to iOS, which has been in dev hands for years?
There are applications still in development, don't criticize until the marketplace catches steam. Also theres applications that Android and Iphone can only dream of such as Cocktail Flow, just look to see.
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Cool application...this is the right link I think:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qghf4e2n0Yc

ok , let us be concrete and give examples.
There are no RSS applications that are worth downloading.RSS application do not even Sync with Google reader. They do not have connectivity with Facebook, ReadItLater, Digg it, etc.....
Even the Shazam app looks a dwarfed version of the one available on the iPhone.
Furthermore everything (text, icons, gfx) all look huge on the screen in all applications. Sacrificing visual granularity in order to claim a faster experience is yet another deceiving wicked way of Microsoft claims.
Take a look at the Sudoku apps, it looks better in a newspaper and a pen. Why can't they check what Sudoku on iPhone looks like and try to beat that or at least copy it.
Come on guys, I can keep on and on with examples. I wouldn't launch a new product with such apps, especially when I claim a 500million dollar marketing campaign. That would be a fiasco just like the KIN before it.
At Christmas time, I will have to decide on either WP7 or Android (I am an Apple hater), so far Android wins on every point.

kazamaza said:
ok , let us be concrete and give examples.
There are no RSS applications that are worth downloading.RSS application do not even Sync with Google reader. They do not have connectivity with Facebook, ReadItLater, Digg it, etc.....
Even the Shazam app looks a dwarfed version of the one available on the iPhone.
Furthermore everything (text, icons, gfx) all look huge on the screen in all applications. Sacrificing visual granularity in order to claim a faster experience is yet another deceiving wicked way of Microsoft claims.
Take a look at the Sudoku apps, it looks better in a newspaper and a pen. Why can't they check what Sudoku on iPhone looks like and try to beat that or at least copy it.
Come on guys, I can keep on and on with examples. I wouldn't launch a new product with such apps, especially when I claim a 500million dollar marketing campaign. That would be a fiasco just like the KIN before it.
At Christmas time, I will have to decide on either WP7 or Android (I am an Apple hater), so far Android wins on every point.
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I believe there's NewsRoom, which is an awesome RSS app on Android. Also Google Voice! Another cool app on the way is Super Private Conversation aka SPC. This app is a life saver on my G1.

kazamaza said:
ok , let us be concrete and give examples.
There are no RSS applications that are worth downloading.RSS application do not even Sync with Google reader. They do not have connectivity with Facebook, ReadItLater, Digg it, etc.....
Even the Shazam app looks a dwarfed version of the one available on the iPhone.
Furthermore everything (text, icons, gfx) all look huge on the screen in all applications. Sacrificing visual granularity in order to claim a faster experience is yet another deceiving wicked way of Microsoft claims.
Take a look at the Sudoku apps, it looks better in a newspaper and a pen. Why can't they check what Sudoku on iPhone looks like and try to beat that or at least copy it.
Come on guys, I can keep on and on with examples. I wouldn't launch a new product with such apps, especially when I claim a 500million dollar marketing campaign. That would be a fiasco just like the KIN before it.
At Christmas time, I will have to decide on either WP7 or Android (I am an Apple hater), so far Android wins on every point.
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Me to, Here is a nice article on where windows is heading, And phone sync to your car will be a breeze.
Today at the SAE Convergence 2010 Conference and Exhibition, Microsoft Corp. announced the availability of Windows Embedded Automotive 7 to select car makers and suppliers in the automotive industry.
http://electric-vehicles-cars-bikes.blogspot.com/2010/10/windows-embedded-automotive-v7.html

Anyone Else Considering Going Back to Android?

I've been an WP7 advocate since it first appeared Q1 2010 and has avidly followed it up until I finally bought my HD7 back in Dec 2010. I love my device and the simplicity behind the OS, but there's a lot lacking. While the marketplace is booming with activity, there's still little developer support because of its you product life and I feel mango is launching a little late. In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that. And is the sole reason I will be switching back to android for a short minute until WP7 matures into something like this: The Early Concepts of WP7
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A lot of hardware has launched with Android at the heart and its harder and harder to not acknowledge that. Just look at the Samsung Galaxy S2.
This is not to be a troll thread, and all I'm merely asking is anyone feeling like me.

krjcook said:
In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that.
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I can deny that.
Further, I don't understand what those concepts feature that today's WP7 lacks. The ability to read email and answer phone calls?
This is absolutely a troll thread.

First you say this...
krjcook said:
I've been an WP7 advocate since it first appeared Q1 2010...
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But then you follow it with this...
krjcook said:
In its current way, WP7 is still an abysmal OS, no one can deny that.
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I can and DO deny this preposterous statement. WP7 has some shortcomings right now, but none of them are severe enough to prevent me from using and liking the phone. It is FAR from "abysmal".
krjcook said:
This is not to be a troll thread.
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Could have fooled me.

iOS and Android set the trend now Windows Phone 7 is refining it. Look at Mango... the things they've added...its not bolt ons, its not widgets or workarounds its deeply integrated things that have been well thought out and implemented. The Zune Software is a great example of this too and often gets overlooked. iTunes is an abhorrent mess, and Google well, you've got to search 3rd parties for something that provide the services that should be a core part of the operating system.
Wp7 is worth the wait. I spent way too much time messing around with android to get things working as they should.
Sent from my OMNIA7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

Schismal said:
I can deny that.
Further, I don't understand what those concepts feature that today's WP7 lacks. The ability to read email and answer phone calls?
This is absolutely a troll thread.
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I had a feeling someone would jump off the deep end and come at aggressively with the troll remarks. Look me up on Xbl: keenancook , I have WP7 gaming achievements because I own the HD7. But anyways, those pics were show what WP7 may have in the future and why I'm still considering the OS. But WP7 lacking a lot:
Applications, application, applications. WP7 is just lacking, time is what it needs and how many people are willing to wait.
Big Dev's aren't paying too much attention
Main System Menu is BLAND
Too Much Scrolling Just to get where I need.
Marketplace needs revision.
Having to Wait For Features.

As much as I like Android for what it is, I will never go back to that abysmally fragmented OS and half-baked feel. I can wait for Mango, which is bringing 80-90% of the features I wanted, and will see a huge surge in applications with all the new API's released.
wp7 UI is infinitely better than anything else out right now for me, and you add Mango to that, and I am very happy.

so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...

sHAYM4N said:
iOS and Android set the trend now Windows Phone 7 is refining it. Look at Mango... the things they've added...its not bolt ons, its not widgets or workarounds its deeply integrated things that have been well thought out and implemented. The Zune Software is a great example of this too and often gets overlooked. iTunes is an abhorrent mess, and Google well, you've got to search 3rd parties for something that provide the services that should be a core part of the operating system.
Wp7 is worth the wait. I spent way too much time messing around with android to get things working as they should.
Sent from my OMNIA7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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I completely agree about Zune, I've been using it since I first got my Zune 30. Its the MultiMedia Playback Software both visually and from a performance standpoint, Itune/DoubleTwist lags on my PC.
But my problem isn't with Zune, its WP7. Am I the only one who's sick of all the poorly developed apps by amateurs, because the professionals aren't interested? Tired of waiting for a decent banking app? Where my Wachovia App? What about my Onstar App? Wtf is up with the expensive pricing or XBLA games? I would love to play Cut the Rope, how long do I have to wait for that? Free Turn by Turn GPs is coming, but only in 2D, with no orientation, How long do I have to wait for that?

munkeyphyst said:
so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...
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my thoughts exactly

munkeyphyst said:
so according to your poll, i can only respond that im staying with WP7 if Im waiting for future updates?
What If I'm staying because I like what it IS.
I bought WP7 and I'm staying with WP7 because I like what it is NOW. Mango is extra gravy...
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Obviously you just don't get it. You CAN'T like it for what it is, because it "is still an abysmal OS". Didn't you know that??

krjcook said:
Tired of waiting for a decent banking app? Where my Wachovia App? What about my Onstar App? Wtf is up with the expensive pricing or XBLA games? I would love to play Cut the Rope, how long do I have to wait for that? Free Turn by Turn GPs is coming, but only in 2D, with no orientation, How long do I have to wait for that?
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You don't have to wait for any of those things. Go buy an Android today, and boom! You're there. You can't have it both ways, though. You can't buy into a fledgling ecosystem and then act betrayed by the fact that it isn't as mature as one that has existed for years. That is a naive and immature reaction.
As for the apps you are clamoring for, many weren't possible with the APIs that have been available to developers. Microsoft realized this, and just this week released a new developer kit that includes over 1500 new APIs, which will cause the marketplace to expand at a much more rapid pace in the coming months.