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MIX starts today. Can't wait until we find out new information about WP7! Here's a few sessions about it and what time they start (Las Vegas Time Zone).
Live Streaming Available at http://live.visitmix.com/
DOCUMENTS AND DOWNLOADS
Windows Phone 7 Series Development Tools
Supported Media Codecs
Windows Phone 7 Series UI Design and Interaction Guide
NEWS
Day 3
Engadget - Windows Phone 7 Series gaming, all up in the club (video!)
PocketNow - Windows Phone 7 Series Has Copy & Paste?
ArkTronic(Live Blog) - MIX10: Windows Phone 7 Series Architecture Deep Dive
Engadget - Windows Phone Marketplace can remotely revoke app licenses
Engadget - Windows Phone 7 Series preview, MIX10 edition
PocketNow - Strange: Windows Phone 7 Series Multitasking in Emulator
Engadget - Yes, Windows Phone 7 Series can make a phone call
Engadget - Windows Phone 7 Series will have themes... sort of
Engadget - Windows Phone 7 Series device from Samsung is just a hacked i8910 HD
PocketNow - MIX10: Microsoft Cuts Copy & Paste Feature From Windows Phone 7 Series
PocketNow - MIX10: No User-Replaceable Memory on Windows Phone 7
PocketNow - MIX10: Windows Phone 7 Series Apps Will Use New, Different DRM
PocketNow - MIX10: Two Ways to Purchase Apps, Games, Music, and Videos on Windows Phone 7 Series
PocketNow - Windows Phone 7 Series Will Not Have a File Manager Nor USB Mass Storage Mode
PocktNow - MIX10: The Many Ways to Synchronize Windows Phone 7 Series
Day 2
Engadget - Windows Phone 7 Series won't have copy and paste
PocketNow - MIX10: To the Market! There Will be a Transparent App Approval Process
PocketNow - MIX10: Sideloading Apps is Possible on Windows Phone 7 Series!
PocketNow - MIX10: Multitask Your Way to Success on Windows Phone 7--Sort Of.
PocketNow - Dell Listed As Partner for Windows Phone 7 Series
Day 1
Gizmodo - Windows Phone 7's Impossible App Mission
Engadget - Olé, Contoso: Windows Phone Marketplace will integrate carrier-branded stores
Engadget - Three Windows Phone 7 Series devices, all in a row
Engadget - Microsoft confirms accuracy of old, pre-'reboot' Windows Mobile 7 leaks
PocketNow - Talk Back: Windows Phone 7 Tight Hardware Control a Successful Business Strategy or Just a Commoditization of the Hardware Space
Engadget - Windows Phone 7 Series targeted at 38 year-old 'life maximizers'
PCMAG - Win Phone 7 Ditches Multitasking, Memory Cards
PocketNow - MIX: Microsoft: No Windows Phone 7 Upgrade for HTC HD2
Engadget - Windows Phone 7 Series will be WVGA only at launch, HVGA later
PocketNow - First Look: Internet Explorer on Windows Phone 7 Series
Gizmodo - Surprise: Windows Phone 7 Has Native DivX Support
Engadget - Samsung Windows Phone 7 Series handset makes the scene
Ganondolf - Official Hardware Spec Requirements Screen Shot
Engadget - Confirmed: Marketplace will be the only way to get apps on Windows Phone 7 Series
Pocketnow - MIX10: Marketplace Trial Function is Awesome
Engadget - Microsoft tells its Windows Phone 7 Series developer story
Engadget - Microsoft announces Windows Phone 7 Series dev partners: Sling, Pandora, Foursquare and more
Engadget - Windows Phone Marketplace for Windows Phone 7 Series unveiled
Engadget - Microsoft demos third-party apps for Windows Phone 7 Series: Silverlight, extensions, and true Xbox gaming (video!)
Engadget - Netflix announced for Windows Phone 7 Series
Engadget - Microsoft demos push notifications on Windows Phone 7 Series
Overview of the Windows Phone 7 Series Application Platform
Charlie Kindel in Mandalay Ballroom A on Monday at 2:00 PM
The new Windows Phone is coming! Get a high-level overview of the new application platform and a complete picture of the developer story. Learn about the developer tools, the application frameworks, the support for Silverlight, and the support for XNA.
Tags: Mobile, Silverlight, Windows Phone, XNA
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Windows Phone UI and Design Language
Chad Roberts, Michael Smuga, Albert Shum in Mandalay Ballroom A on Monday at 3:30 PM
Windows Phone constitutes a dramatic new user experience paradigm. This session will provide prescriptive guidance, tips, and techniques on how designers & developers can build beautiful, compelling user experiences that are consistent with the built-in Windows Phone 7 Series experiences.
Tags: Mobile, Windows Phone
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Unit Testing Silverlight and Windows Phone Applications
Jeff Wilcox in Lagoon B on Tuesday at 2:05 PM
Learn how to create and maintain Silverlight and Windows Phone Series applications using the Silverlight Unit Test Framework. See what tools are available to easily validate controls and application interfaces and gain a solid understanding of test principles to deliver great experiences for your clients and customers.
Tags: Silverlight, Windows Phone
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Building Windows Phone Applications with Silverlight, Part 1
Mike Harsh in Mandalay Ballroom A on Tuesday at 1:30 PM
Together with part 2, these sessions give an overview of the functionality for Silverlight applications that is unique to the Windows Phone application platform. Part 1 will cover new input paradigms including multi-touch, software keyboard, accelerometer and microphone, as well as the APIs to leverage phone applications like email, phone dialer, contact list and more.
Tags: Mobile, Silverlight, Windows Phone
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Building Windows Phone Applications with Silverlight, Part 2
Peter Torr in Mandalay Ballroom A on Tuesday at 3:00 PM
Together with part 1, these sessions give an overview of the functionality for Silverlight applications that is unique to the Windows Phone application platform. Part 2 will cover the new application model, updated control templates, themes, and services available to applications, including new Windows Phone web services.
Tags: Mobile, Silverlight, Windows Phone
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Development and Debugging Tools for Building XNA Games for Windows Phone
Cullen Waters in Lagoon B on Tuesday at 4:30 PM
This session covers tools available to the developer for building XNA games including debugging, emulation, and performance. Special emphasis is placed on best practices for managed code performance and .NET profiling tools you can use to optimize your games for windows phone.
Tags: Mobile, Windows Phone, XNA
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Silverlight Performance on Windows Phone
Seema Ramchandani in Mandalay Ballroom A on Tuesday at 4:30 PM
Learn how to optimize your Silverlight code for Windows Phone. This session will discuss common bottlenecks using the graphics and managed stacks, and will highlight how to optimize startup and reaction time.
Tags: Mobile, Silverlight, Windows Phone
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Windows Phone Application Platform Architecture
Istvan Cseri in Mandalay Ballroom A on Wednesday at 9:00 AM
Windows Phone 7 Series represents a significant change from the past. The entire stack, starting with the operating system, user experience, and the application platform have been engineered to build a new class of phone that users will just love. This session will go under the covers and describe how to think about applications and games from the perspective of user experience, security, packaging, cloud services and performance. Details on the new application model, device capabilities, location, sensors, and other platform capabilities will be covered.
Tags: Mobile, Windows Phone
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Distributing and Monetizing Windows Phone Applications and Games
John Bruno, Todd Biggs in Mandalay Ballroom A on Wednesday at 10:30 AM
Windows Phone Marketplace will revolutionize distribution of Windows Phone applications, games, and content, and is designed to solve the two largest problems of the Windows Phone consumer-focused developer community: distribution and monetization. This session will provide application developers with the insights, tools, and processes necessary to begin distributing and monetizing their applications on the Windows Phone platform.
Tags: Mobile, Windows Phone
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Building Windows Phone Games
Michael Klucher in Mandalay Ballroom A on Wednesday at 12:00 PM
With the release of Windows Phone, game developers will be able to create amazing content rapidly through the power of Silverlight and the XNA framework. This talk will outline the basic application model of Windows Phone, enumerate Windows Phone core device characteristics, and walk through highlights of Silverlight and XNA Frameworks on the phone.
Tags: Mobile, Silverlight, Windows Phone, XNA
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Building a High Performance 3D Game for Windows Phone
Shawn Hargreaves, Tomas Vykruta in Mandalay Ballroom A on Wednesday at 1:30 PM
This session will detail how to use XNA to develop 3D games for Windows Phone, with a special eye towards the special characteristics of Windows Phone application platform. Special attention will be placed on optimizing high-performance managed code games for the platform, to help you squeeze out every last drop of performance.
Tags: Mobile, Windows Phone, XNA
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There's the schedule for everything specifically about WP7. Please be on the look out for new information when it's released and post it in the thread so we can keep it all in one place!
Can't wait
I just bought some peanuts and snacks, a bottle of beer and soda (Fanta Pomegranate).
Ready to enjoy my evening, streaming MIX10 live.
If I am not mistaken:
11:00 AM Las Vegas = 18:00 UK = 19:00 Germany
They need to make a dedicated silverlight/xna section of the forum
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They need to make a dedicated silverlight/xna section of the forum
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I'm sure they will if game creation becomes big on WP7.
I'm here, and to say the least, the atmosphere is amazing. There is so much anticipation/alcohol/gambling (already lost $400) truly surreal feeling.
Kick off is in a few hours..I'm heading out to buy a camera before I go completely broke...lol
~style1~
Anyone else think that this thread should be stickied as most of the other ones are based on mere speculation? Would be great for those who come here seeking actual facts about WP7.
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Can't wait
I just bought some peanuts and snacks, a bottle of beer and soda (Fanta Pomegranate).
Ready to enjoy my evening, streaming MIX10 live.
If I am not mistaken:
11:00 AM Las Vegas = 18:00 UK = 19:00 Germany
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Las Vegas: GMT -7.
what site are the streams(if any) going to be available ?
Damn you style1 I am so jealous ...
Buy good camera and make some photos, upload it here (on your first post in this thread of course)!
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I'm here, and to say the least, the atmosphere is amazing. There is so much anticipation/alcohol/gambling (already lost $400) truly surreal feeling.
Kick off is in a few hours..I'm heading out to buy a camera before I go completely broke...lol
~style1~
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what site are the streams(if any) going to be available ?
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http://live.visitmix.com/
If I am not mistaken, it would be here:
http://live.visitmix.com/
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what site are the streams(if any) going to be available ?
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If I am not mistaken, it would be here:
http://live.visitmix.com/
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Added the link to my first post.
thanks but i only see a shadow placing things on a table
what about hardware requirements
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what about hardware requirements
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Maybe they will reveal that in the first session or perhaps Windows Phone Application Platform Architecture session?
talking to the guys from SPB, looks like they have somethings they may or may not show today. Those guys
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talking to the guys from SPB, looks like they have something things they may or may not show today. Those guys
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Great, hopefully they show whatever it is off!
the news and screenshots coming out of mx10 have really impressed me thus far. cant wait to see what else we learn about wp7s
WTF...
They are showing off Shazam...that is like eons old.
and the scroll list is still very laggy.
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WTF...
They are showing off Shazam...that is like eons old.
and the scroll list is still very laggy.
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Looked better in person, I want to note as well that their third party apps pause in the back ground and are not actually closing. Which could be considered multitasking. Mainly because they can be fully integrated into the the experience. IE, netflix was added to the zune experience even though its a 3rd party app. As such it paused in the background when not in use...but it can be hot swapped to
Windows Phone 7 Resources and Links
Important Links
- Windows Phone Developer Home
- Windows Phone Development (MSDN)
- Official UI Design and Interaction Guide (PDF) (Spring Draft)
Microsoft Tools
- Windows Phone Developer Tools Beta
- Expression Blend 4 RC
- Expression Blend Add-in for Windows Phone 7
Components, Downloads and Tools
- Windows Phone 7 Panorama & Pivot controls (Stephane C, Microsoft)
- SWF Apps to XNA Converter
- Windows Phone 7 database
Guides, Tutorials and Blogs
- Building a Windows Phone 7 Twitter Application using Silverlight (Scott Gu)
- Panoramic Navigation on Windows Phone 7 with No Code! (Jocelyn Mae Villaraza)
- Building a Simple Windows Phone App (Kirupa)
- Windows Phone 7 Series : Tutorials for building & deploying applications (The Windows Club)
- You Already Are A Windows Phone 7 Programmer (Jesse Liberty)
- Hanselminutes Podcast 207 - Charles Petzold on Windows Phone 7 Series (Scott Hanselman)
- Charlie Kindel on Windows Phone Development
- Backstage at MCB (Loke Uei's Blog)
- Understanding Marketplace & Making Money with Windows Phone 7 Applications (Loke Uei, Microsoft)
- WP7 Games (1800 Pocket PC)
- WP7 Apps (1800 Pocket PC)
- Developing for Windows Phone 7 Series (PDF) (Dave Glover)
- Windows Phone Blog
- Windows Phone Developer Blog
- Windows Phone 7 Coding
- Channel 9 on Windows Phone
- Geosense brings GPS-free location awareness to Windows 7 (Lee Mathews, Download Squad)
- Developing a Windows Phone 7 Application that consumes OData (Microsoft)
- Windows Phone 7 Application and Game Development (Rob Miles, Microsoft)
- Building a Newsreader Application using Silverlight for Windows Phone 7
- Introduction to Windows Phone 7 Development (Mobile Tuts)
- Don’t forget to Encrypt your Windows Phone 7 Data (Rob Tiffany)
- MultiTouch Behavior for Windows Phone 7 (Laurent Bugnion)
- Windows Phone 7 - Mix App
- State, Element, and Storyboard Pickers
- Debugging Data Bindings in a WPF or Silverlight Application
- WP7 TOMBSTONING - State - Launching, Closing, Deactivated and Closing Events
- Windows Phone 7 embraces the Microsoft Cloud
- WPF 2010 Videos
- Understanding the Windows Phone Application Execution Model, Tombstoning Launcher and Choosers
- How to Load and Save Photos
- The Dirty Developer - Windows Phone 7 Development Blog
+ Hubs versus Apps - WP7 UX
WP7 Tweeters
- wp7dev/champs
--- @ckindel – WP7 Dev Platform
--- @ai – Mobile Social Media
--- @brandonwatson – Marketplace & Platform
--- @cschormann – Silverlight & Blend (UPDATED: Fixed incorrect spelling/link)
--- @mklucher – Gaming & XNA
--- @ozymandias – Gaming
--- @shawnhargreaves – Game Design
- Windcape (That's me)
+ @faysantiago (Fay Santiago)
+ @dirtydeveloper (thedirtydeveloper.com)
Books / E-Books
- Programming with Windows Phone 7 Series (Charles Petzold)
Post your own links, and I'll update the post.
We have a section for wp7 games and wp7 apps
Windows Phone 7 Games
I didn't quite find the reddit suitable for a static list, it's more like a equivalent of a Google search on the topic. The other links were great, added them to the list.
thanks for adding it mate.
Updated:
+ Windows Phone 7 Application and Game Development
+ Building a Newsreader Application using Silverlight for Windows Phone 7
+ Introduction to Windows Phone 7 Development
+ SWF Apps to XNA Converter
+ Windows Phone 7 database (Great until SQL CE will be available)
+ Don’t forget to Encrypt your Windows Phone 7 Data
+ MultiTouch Behavior for Windows Phone 7 (Laurent Bugnion)
+ Windows Phone 7 - Mix App
+ State, Element, and Storyboard Pickers
+ Debugging Data Bindings in a WPF or Silverlight Application
Updated the links to the Beta Tools, and updated the list of tweeters with the wp7dev/champs list and my own twitter.
+ http://rd3d2.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!E8560F926A112380!21258.entry?sa=706283989
+ http://gigaom.com/2010/07/13/windows-phone-7-embraces-the-microsoft-cloud/
+ http://digitalwpc.com/Videos/VisionKeynoteVideos10/2/BradBrooksAndAndyLees
+ http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...spx?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
+ http://kodierer.blogspot.com/2010/07/photos-photos-photos-how-to-save-load.html
+ The Dirty Developer - Windows Phone 7 Development Blog
+ Hubs versus Apps - WP7 UX
Tweeters:
+ @faysantiago
+ @dirtydeveloper
+ http://www.windowsphone7developer.com/
Thanks for this!
"I didn't quite find the reddit suitable for a static list, it's more like a equivalent of a Google search on the topic. The other links were great, added them to the list."
As for me reddit work good for me. Thanks for the other link posted here. It really helps.
This is a great help for users who want to get into programming for WP7.
Okay, I'm not able to post links, so just search for "jeff blankenburg" with google and you'll get a series of both WP7 and Silverlight tutorials (named 31 days of windows phone 7 and ... of Silverlight). I think they are really good and easy to understand for beginners.
Also very good is Mingfei's Code Block (on MSDN Code Blogs) on Expression Blend and Data Storage and Passing between pages.
Hope you enjoy...
Nice links, maybe I will start programming for WP7 one day - however, I think it's better to wait until the platform grew up and has some more users.
is very good!!!
Windows Phone 7 Resources and LinksArrow
I have found this topic very informative.
can i add it to my site??
my site is rotarymenwatch.wordpress dot com
Windows Phone 7 Development For Absulute Begginers
It's a video series, teaches the basics of C# and the basics of WP7 Development.
Thanks for the links.I pretend to start developing for WM7
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On July 15, 2011 Microsoft will no longer accept new Windows Mobile 6.x applications or application updates. In addition it will no longer be possible to modify prices, metadata or other information. You will be able to remove apps by contacting support.
Windows Mobile apps will be available for download/purchase after July 15th as will reporting and payouts.
What ???
It's very very very bad :\
But i don't understand a thing, microsoft want to devellop Windows Embedded Handeld (wm6.5.3), so, if they stop the Marketplace, will be there a replacement ??
And what about microsoft myPhone ? I love this service, and i hope that we could continu to use it !!
I hope news about the Microsoft team !
Here is the email I got:
May 16, 2011
Dear Windows Marketplace for Mobile Developer,
We are excited about the momentum we have with Windows Phone. Since we launched Windows Phone last fall, technical reviews have been very positive and, most importantly, customer satisfaction has been extremely high. Moreover, our Windows Phone Marketplace continues to grow at a fast pace. It now features more than 15,000 apps and games and there are over 40,000 registered developers.
At MIX we announced that in May we will release the beta version of the Windows Phone Developer Tools for the next version of Windows Phone, code-named "Mango," which we are still on track to do. The Mango release will be made available to users later this year, and it represents the next step in our continued focus on advancing the Windows Phone platform and expanding the opportunity for developers.
To innovate faster on the Windows Phone Marketplace, we are scaling back our investments in the Windows Marketplace for Mobile service. We are sharing this plan with you, in advance, so that you can make thoughtful plans and preparations.
• App Submission and Management. On July 15, 2011, we will no longer be accepting new Windows Mobile 6.x applications or application updates. In addition, it will no longer be possible to modify prices, metadata, or other information. However, you will still be able to remove your apps by contacting support.
• App Distribution. Even though app submission will stop on July 15, users will still be able to purchase and download your Windows Mobile 6.x applications through the Windows Marketplace for Mobile.
• App Reporting. Sales and download reports will continue to be available for your Windows Mobile 6.x applications through the App Hub after July 15.
• Developer Payouts. Developer payouts will continue to be processed in accordance with the provisions of the Windows Phone Marketplace Application Provider Agreement.
Additional information regarding the scaling back of our investment in the Windows Marketplace for Mobile will be shared over the coming months as plans become finalized.
We would like to thank you for being part of our Windows Marketplace for Mobile developer community, and we look forward to helping you build more Windows Phone applications.
For more information, please visit the App Hub Forum. For further assistance, please contact support directly.
Thank you for your support,
The Windows Phone Marketplace Team
WTF????
what about us?!?!?!?
I (we) prefer still with WM 6.5 why they do this to us?
where can I send my bad opinion about it?
thanks!
Bad News
This is really a bad news . May be MS want all users to move to /develop for Win Phone 7... but what abt the existing users who are still staying with 6.5.x
I hope My Phone server will remain active as that is a part of their service.
Yes !! My Phone is very very useful !!!
And what about the futur of Windows Embedded Handeld??
Sorry to be late posting this but it contains information about the shutdown of 'My Phone' and the Windows Mobile App Store on the Web:
Shut-down of Windows Marketplace for Mobile Web Site and My Phone Service Notification
June 8, 2011
Dear Windows Mobile 6.x customer:
Microsoft will be discontinuing the My Phone service for Windows Mobile 6.x. We will also be discontinuing the Windows Marketplace for Mobile web site. Because you may be affected, please review the details below:
Windows Marketplace for Mobile Web Site To Be Discontinued
The Windows Marketplace for Mobile web site at http://marketplace.windowsphone.com will no longer be available starting on July 15, 2011. After July 15, 2011, you will no longer be able to browse, buy or download applications for Windows Mobile 6.x phones via the Windows Marketplace for Mobile web site.
The Windows Marketplace for Mobile service will continue to be available on your phone, however. You will continue to be able to browse, buy and download applications for Windows Mobile 6.x on your phone.
My Phone To Be Discontinued
On August 7, 2011, the My Phone service will stop saving content from phones to the My Phone service. If you rely on the My Phone service to back-up the content on your Windows Mobile 6.x phone, you will be affected.
Starting on August 7, 2011, Microsoft will begin moving your My Phone content to Windows Live SkyDrive. SkyDrive is Microsoft's free online storage service that helps you access and share your files such as photos and Microsoft Office documents. Contacts, calendar entries, text messages and photos will be moved to SkyDrive for you. Once moved, you will be able to access this content by logging into SkyDrive using the Windows Live ID that you used to register for the My Phone service.
Other content types, including videos, music, documents and favorites will not be moved from My Phone to SkyDrive for you. If you want this content, you must save it from the My Phone service to your local PC.
On October 6, 2011, the My Phone web site at http://www.microsoft.com/myphone will no longer be available. On this date, you will no longer be able to log in to the My Phone service to access your content stored to the My Phone service. Microsoft will continue to store your My Phone content for one (1) year. Physical copies of your content can be shipped to you upon request until October 5, 2012.
Take Action
To learn more about the My Phone service shut-down, including information about your content moving to Windows Live SkyDrive and how to save other content to your local PC, please visit this web site:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2557520
Microsoft is committed to making this transition easy. In the meantime, we want to sincerely thank you for your use of Windows Mobile 6.x.
-The Windows Phone Team
I think this just made the transition to Android a little easier and moved up my date also.
Microsoft thus so far have been focused on integrating personal computing (windows live, Facebook, Office, Zune) into there mobile devices whilst placing little focus on integrating WP7 or WM into there operating system. I assume Windows 8 will cater more to WP integration then windows 7 does but in a world fierce competition Microsoft should be looking to differentiate from the competition, adding value to the windows phone experience.
When i talk about integration with the windows operating system i am thinking along the lines of a windows VNC type application allowing control of numerous windows 7 functions from a WP7 device natively. Another idea is receiving text messages, calls and notifications on a Windows 7 device when connected to the same LAN with the appropriate software and being able to respond to these messages. Another obvious example is being able to control zune from your WP7 device allowing you to control volume and change songs. Control windows media center recording show is another example.
anyway i apologise for my rant its late and i was just thinking to my self, if you guys have any thoughts i would love to hear them.
Yes
Microsoft have already advertised for a developer(s) to do this for WP8 and (we assume) Windows 8. There was an article about it on pocketnow.com which you can probably find.
Cheers
andrew-in-woking
To the OP, yes I think it's where it's all going as well. I would love to see this "ecosystem" in 5 years, see what it looks like.
I really hope in the very near future that DLNA is improved by leaps and bounds. That's the start right there. I've got the Play-To on my phone, but officially it's "tied to Windows 7", so it can't link up to my blu-ray player, or my... xbox 360. Which doesn't make sense. It's the same company, you think that'd be a main selling feature.
I would absolutely love to see text message alerts through my operating system. I have always wished that either Zune or iTunes did this, but unfortunately they don't. +1 for this.
Windows 7 is already in it's final phase and if they're going to do integration, they're going to want to do Deep integration which would take a lot of time and edits to underlying code. There's just no point, Windows 8 will be out soon and it makes much more sense to just launch it with that.
Otherwise we'll get Windows 7 integration now and Windows 8 Integration months into its lifespan.
according to microsoft, windows8 will be for phones, desktops, tablets, everywhere windows lives now. after watching 3-4 demos on youtube there are a few things that makes me wonder about:
1 filesystem access - it shows the table accessing a usb stick and drag/drop copying
2 explorer (the file explorer)
3 full desktop shell as an app
4 wireless status as a widget
5 a much more customizable 'home' or whatever its being called now
if you've seen the videos, or had your hands on one - what do you think the possibilities are for wp7 evolving into a full blown OS like what is being demo'd as windows8 ?
do you think wp8 will be a registry restricted (mild restriction to prevent confusion) version of windows 8 ?
would you be interested in a full blown (non-phone specific) wp8 handset, essentially a desktop in your pocket, able to use a keyboard and mouse with ?
is the tablet version (form factor) more appealing as a full OS, instead of a phone (form factor) to you ?
^ why ?
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...I believe that a lot of peoples are having problems to understand:
- WP7x is the OS for smart phones
- Windows 8 is the OS for tabletts and desktop PCs with the possibility to interact - but only to a certain extend - with WP7x It definitely won't replace WP7x. and the features you are mentioning will not be build into WP7x. At least not for the time being or if so, only via some homebrews by our xda-developers friends..
Yeah the OP got somethings wrong there. This is what MS envisions:
Phone: Windows Phone 7/8
Xbox: Xbox metro dashboard (coming this fall)
PCs (including desktops, laptops, slates/tablets etc.): Windows 8
What Windows Phone 7/8 and Windows 8 will have in common is probably the way apps are written (at least C# or VB + XAML) and the interactivity using SkyDrive.
Windows 8 will of course things like File access and the traditional desktop, but WP will not and there is no need to do so.
A phone should stay a phone and a PC should stay a PC.
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...I believe that a lot of peoples are having problems to understand:
- WP7x is the OS for smart phones
- Windows 8 is the OS for tabletts and desktop PCs with the possibility to interact - but only to a certain extend - with WP7x It definitely won't replace WP7x. and the features you are mentioning will not be build into WP7x. At least not for the time being or if so, only via some homebrews by our xda-developers friends..
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Yeah the OP got somethings wrong there. This is what MS envisions:
Phone: Windows Phone 7/8
Xbox: Xbox metro dashboard (coming this fall)
PCs (including desktops, laptops, slates/tablets etc.): Windows 8
What Windows Phone 7/8 and Windows 8 will have in common is probably the way apps are written (at least C# or VB + XAML) and the interactivity using SkyDrive.
Windows 8 will of course things like File access and the traditional desktop, but WP will not and there is no need to do so.
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Hmm, do you have any links for future reading ? (Thanks used)
Based on what I've read, I don't think the OP has really missed anything, but may have misinterpreted the timetable. Even Paul Thurrott has made that same speculation.
Microsoft is planning to have a single ecosystem for all platforms (including phones). They have stated as much. Whether they will "get there" with Windows 8 is doubtful, but they will get there.
One common speculation is that, as a first step toward ecosystem unification, Windows 8 will be able to run any WP7 app (and, presumably, some Windows 8 apps will also run on phones).
I don't really have any links, but it seems obvious that MS is trying to get their metro interface into all their devices (Xbox, PC and phone). The similarities should be striking.
As others have said, Windows 8 will not be on phones, but their will be things shared for example with SkyDrive, you can upload your photos from WP7 and you can also directly view photos from SkyDrive (and other locations) on Windows 8. Xbox uses SkyDrive to save game files etc.
I personally doubt that Windows Phone 7 app will run on Windows 8. If you look at the current developer tools, there are a lot of differences between WP7 and Windows 8. Yes, they both can use C# + XAML so you can share code, but you will have to do device specific changes.
MS might make this easier in the future but some adjustments will probably have to be made. If they simply made some kind of WP7 emulator for Windows 8, things would not fit the entire screen and you might see too many pixels.
And finally, yes I have also heard the rumor that MS wants to have one OS for all devices: the PC (including tablets), the Xbox and phones.
However, this is still far off and will not be coming in Windows 8 or Windows Phone 8 (Apollo). It has been rumored to be the masterplan for way ahead (like 2016 with Windows 9, Windows Phone 9 and the third Xbox (however these things will be called)).
But what works right now are all the live services. For example I could add a contact on my WP7 and then have their numbers etc. available on my Windows 8 slate without the need to manually transfer the contact over.
I would love the OP's dream come true but I don't think so. It doesn't look like WP8 will go Android route (but what do we know in the end).
There are enough people in MS industry thinking better what users want than users themselves and claiming that a phone should be dumb enough.
What I see from Windows 8 previews I'd say it can be amazing OS anyway.
slimshady322 said:
I personally doubt that Windows Phone 7 app will run on Windows 8. If you look at the current developer tools, there are a lot of differences between WP7 and Windows 8. Yes, they both can use C# + XAML so you can share code, but you will have to do device specific changes.
MS might make this easier in the future but some adjustments will probably have to be made. If they simply made some kind of WP7 emulator for Windows 8, things would not fit the entire screen and you might see too many pixels.
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Building a wp7 emulator into Windows 8 would not be that difficult. Running a WP7 app could create a rectangle in the center of the screen that matches the dimensions of a WP7 device, and darkens the remaining screen while the app has focus.
slimshady322 said:
And finally, yes I have also heard the rumor that MS wants to have one OS for all devices: the PC (including tablets), the Xbox and phones.
However, this is still far off and will not be coming in Windows 8 or Windows Phone 8 (Apollo). It has been rumored to be the masterplan for way ahead (like 2016 with Windows 9, Windows Phone 9 and the third Xbox (however these things will be called)).
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That is kind of what I was thinking too. Not for Windows 8, but very likely for Windows 9 (or maybe they could accomplish it in a ".5" release, but I doubt that).
The point is, assuming WP7 survives the next few years (which is looking much better as Mango gets closer), there will be a time when Microsoft has a single OS that spans all devices.
RoboDad said:
Building a wp7 emulator into Windows 8 would not be that difficult. Running a WP7 app could create a rectangle in the center of the screen that matches the dimensions of a WP7 device, and darkens the remaining screen while the app has focus.
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Yes it would work but it would be just like iPhone Apps on the iPad, webOS phone apps on the Touchpad or android phone apps on an android tablet.
Working, but not looking very good.
I have currently one app in the windows phone marketplace and I would like to bring it to Windows 8 as well but I will do some adjustments. Just one example:
Many apps feature lists that are scrollable vertically (like the contacts list). Tapping on one item opens up another page with details.
On the phone this works fine, but on Windows 8 there would be a couple of problems:
1) Windows 8 rather has lists that you scroll horizontally (the new Grid View in the developer tools)
2) You would waste a lot of screen space. A better solution would be to have a split view with the list on the left and the details on the right. Thus, the list would stay visible.
Acutally when writing about this I though of a very good example: the settings in WP7 and Windows 8.
WP7:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
A list of the different things you can scroll and tapping brings you to the selected item (as seen on the right)
Windows 8:
The list is only on the left and you can still see the list while opening up single item.
TL;DR: Basically what I want to say is that while WP7 app might work on Windows 8, it would be better if developers for Windows 8 (and there are many) were to adjust their apps to make them work better on Windows 8.
I don't think Windows 8 needs WP7 apps, many apps will probably be ported and adjustments will be made and there will be many Windows 8 developers that did not develop for WP7.
RoboDad said:
That is kind of what I was thinking too. Not for Windows 8, but very likely for Windows 9 (or maybe they could accomplish it in a ".5" release, but I doubt that).
The point is, assuming WP7 survives the next few years (which is looking much better as Mango gets closer), there will be a time when Microsoft has a single OS that spans all devices.
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I would really like MS to do this, but is has to be done good and not the way webOS or Android did it.
One app could then be written for all devices and all the app would have to do is adjust itself according to screen size. You could share most code for all version and only have some layout changes that depend on the resolution.
We can dream, but MS has been screaming the same story for over a decade.
The touch optimized part (basically "what looks like wp7 atm) of Win8 will be on tablets, pcs and phones. While the non-touch optimized part will be exclusive to pcs.