hi there
i really need your help. i'm trying to install android on my HTC TyTnII. But i'm having problems to install.
can you please help me to get Android run on my Kaiser?
Right now i'm running the windows mobile 6.1. I want to install Android as a secondary OS.
i followed this installation guide.
androidonhtc.com/wiki/Installing_Android
1. I went to this link to download files.
androidonhtc.com/wiki/Latest_Builds_%28Kaiser%29
2. I downloaded the basefiles-20091116.zip
vogue-android.googlecode.com/files/basefiles-20091116.zip
3. Unzipped this zip file. Renamed the default-kaiser.txt to default.txt and moved the whole folder "android" to my storagecard.
4. then i downloaded the haretinstall.zip and unzipped that file as well. I moved the folder "andboot" to my storagecard.
sourceforge.net/projects/androidhtc/files/2010-02-20/haretinstall.zip/download
5. then i downloaded the polymod_2.1g.zip and unzipped that file. I moved the file "androidinstall.tar" to my storagecard as well.
ponack.net/poly/2.1g/polymod_2.1g.zip
6. i clicked than on "haret.exe" and clicked on Run. the android started to load but then it stops. It gives me this error.
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Checking for partition...
s2fsck 1.41.4 (27-Jan-209)
ext2fs_check_if_mount: No such file or directory while determing whether /dev/block/loop0 is mounted.
/dev/block/loop0 was not cleanly unmounted. check for ced.
Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes
Pass 2: Checking directory structure
Pass 3: Checking directory connectivity
Pass 4: Checking reference counts
Pass 5: Checking group summary information
/dev/block/loop0: 11/65536 files (0.0% non-contigous), 10335/262144 blocks
losetup: /dev/block/loop1: No such file or directory
Failed
Failed to find system.im on SD Card
/bib/sh: can't access tty1 job control turned off
/ #
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Can anyone help me out to solve the problem?
Do i need to do some partition? if yes...how can i do it? i'm using a windows xp OS.
This is how my SD-storagecard looks like:
/[android]
/[android]/[andboot]
/[android]/androidinstall.tar
Thank you for your support.
The androidinstall.tar should be in andboot folder, with all the haret files. andboot must be in root of SD card.
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/andboot
If you were installing to nand it'd be :
/KAISimg.nbh
/andboot
You do not need to partition the SD card, just make sure it is formatted FAT32, not FAT
hi zenity
thanks for the response. I did what you said. Still having the same problem with the same error message.
how do i check format of my sd card? i've never formated it before. it's the original sd card.
Depends if you have an sd card reader and adaptor for micro-sd, if you do you can just format it in windows.
It's likely that it's formatted FAT, most new pre-formatted micro-sd are formatted FAT as standard, how are you transferring files to the sd at the moment?
i connected my htc with microsoft activesync then transfered the files via windows explorer.
i'm still struggeling to get android run on my device.
are those steps correct? or am i doing something totally wrong?
those installation guide are too complicated for me. the instructions are mostly for total replacement of the OS. But i would like to keep my windows mobile because of tomtom navigator. I want to make both OS run with Dual booting function.
if you are so kind...can you please guide me to make this run? I'll be thankful for that.
Best way to format an SD card is to use a card reader and micro-sd adaptor, I've never tried to format an SD with winmo or through activesync, so I'm not sure how easy that is.
I have transferred the files via activesync before, and that works fine, but your SD card must be FAT32, winmo probably does not know the difference, I'm sure there must be a way to format the card FAT32 in winmo, but I cannot think of one, I'll look into it though. I think total commander is able to show what type of format the sd card is, but don't know if it's able to format it.
All the Haret files plus the androidinstall.tar must be in the andboot folder on the SD card, you do not need any other files or folders on the card, but it should not matter if there are any.
You will need an SD card of at least 1GB, 2Gb is better.
I know the guide is meant for Nand install, but does show the installer screen part clearly, and the install procedure is the same for nand and haret, and shows the installer screen you should see when installing on FAT32, (haret).
Download Card Export or WM5Storage to mount the card. Then format it like you would do with a usb stick.
me too
I get the same error.
I have haretinstall and androidinstall.tgz in the /andboot folder.
I renamed default.txt to default.txt.no
I renamed default-kaiser.txt to default.txt
I edited default.txt to point to zImage-eclair
I tried with the regular zImage
I wait till it ask for dpad or vol up button then I press and hold dpad. It never recognizes? Or thats my guess from what has been said here.
right clicking on the drive from within windows using a card reader it says fat32.
When I press dpad it prints a ^@ to the screen, ironically it does the same key for ok. I don't see how I can hold down the vol up/down key cause its a jog wheel? Should I try dpad down?
Volume Up Is the RIght SOftKey. FOr some build only that work.
@zenity: i manage to format my miniSD to fat32. it was fat before. but the problem is still there..does anyone else know how to deal with this?
as tyler51773 already mentioned..i fi start the "haret" which is stored in "andboot" folder it request to hold down the vol button. although i pressed the vol. button,,,it still doesn't work. getting the same error message like tyler51773
seems like i'm totally lost. someone please help!!!
can anyone write down a clean instruction how to install the kaiser on SD incl. the right link (instead of telling users to find out the right one) without wiping out the windows mobile. this would be more helpful to us.
i'm sure there are other users who might be interested in this too.
thankx
When you run Haret and see scrolling text, immediately hold down the d-pad or vol button. Don't wait for it to ask.
hi all,
i have the same problem. the instructions seems to be bad. i cant run it and tried many things. in install-instructions says "androidinstall.tar" but download is androidinstall.tgz.
i don't know if its a big mistake, but someone should make a new "correct" instruction with correct files. maybe it then will be worked.
i also stuck on "can't found system.img"
greetz an sorry for my english
@dukennukemx: i did what you said. no improvement.
@lenzen24: i'm 100% with you!
i tried again,
but also failed on find system.img on sd-card
hope someone has a solution, becaused i woudn't flash a image over my wm6.5.
greetz lenzen
progress
The right soft key button worked, (i.e. the one right above the mail, to the left of the red phone to the right of the dpad just to be perfectly clear for anyone else).
I got the menu, and then it said unbalanced irq 102, unbalanced irq 86?, unbalanced irq 87? it froze then rebooted.
Second try, I hold down the right softkey after i see the penguin. I get the menu with the ok warning. I try all the buttons the warning stays up. I open up the keyboard. I press enter I now am in the menu.
The install option is missing? I have 1. fix permisions. (vs it saying install?) The dpad doesn't seem to work. I have 7 options. The last option is quit. The 6th one is recovery. 5 is wipe. As I'm staring at errors and not the menu I forget which the rest are. I remember seeing a backup/restore. Then their is wipe. Their was also the wipe cache options.
When I try to navigate the menu its a no go. The only real options I have is fix permissions. That leads to errors due to a missing system.img that hasn't been made yet? And then their is quit. I get to quit using the left opt key, and I can get to fix perms using the right opt key. If i open up the keyboard and try every key the only key the menu responds to is enter. I also tried w/ fn lock, but not shift, no responce to the arrow keys was a bummer. When I accessed a shell I can atleast confirm that qwerty mapping was right, but didn't hang out long enough to see the rest of the keymap.
Should I try zimage-eclair? I will of course do that at some compulsive moment, but hey, maybe I wont, or maybe I will and say I haven't yet - maybe I already have {knowingly or not}.. do I need some options in my default.txt? Should I try a different androidinstall? this is polymod-2.1g
This is actually a Tilt vs a Kaiser.
Thanks for the speedy replies and help!
Tyler
Problems with the install option not appearing are usually caused by not formatting the sd as FAT32, or a wrongly set up sd card, for haret installs, everything goes in andboot folder, for nand, androidinstal.tar, (or tgz), in andboot folder, kaisimg.nbh in root, the install instructions are clear enough, they are just not as easy to follow for inexperienced users, and tilt and kaiser are the same thing, if you look under the battery it will say 'kaisxxx'.
zenity
Your last post you can tell someone got under your skin...
I'm a fairly experienced user. I have had troubles installing android since the nand came along.
I feel that if I were willing to nuke my winmo it would be installed. my primary objective with this phone is voip. I'm hoping sipdroid gets fixed or the reports of sipagent working better than sipdroid are true. I'd like to investigate that. I'm poor and with winmo I pretty much make free calls. Albeit I have reliability issues, and I have lots of things i should script to make things work which is all the more motivation to move over. Especially with winmo7 stripping voip out completely [rumor mill]. Anyhow, I am not willing to nuke my winmo. It's quite cryptic to call the volume key, the volume key, when on the kaiser its the right opt key. Perhaps the problem is that I am running a tilt vs a kaiser, another cryptic difference? good thing we don't have a lot of sidekicks running around either. Anyhow. My card is formatted right. I even tried another almost virgin 2gb card, never been formatted but did have a raw filesystem that was only used on sundays while driving to church, it was freshly formatted with fat32 and still it was a no go.
I also just tried myns build. I get an install option, when I press enter it warns me that it is about to delete my all my stuff. So I would say no, but after feeling wrath I tried to say yes, but of course I can't navigate nothing I push will let me choose yes. So I safely run with no.
If I did have a dpad where it says backup data could I backup my winmo? That makes me feel good I've always wanted that. That feature alone would make my day as it would let me finally upgrade my sacred voip setup w/o fear of having to find all those little f!&@&# registry entries again.
Enter does a carriage return in shell? New line in any event..
Dpad/Ok on the front both print a ^@, so does the side ok button, and so does the keyb ok button. {so does; Winkey, MailKey, GreenPhone{send}}
Dpad/Keyb/Jog Up does a ^[[A
Dpad/Keyb/Jog Down does a ^[[B
Dpad/Keyb Left does a ^[[D
Dpad/Keyb Right does a ^[[C
Left Opt: ^[[26~
Right Opt: [BLANK]
e does ^[[1~
red phone{end} ^[[4~
PwrOff ^[[4~
Admittingly this is using myn's androidinstall.tar as i just got done trying that, not sure if the keymap would vary at all (I highly doubt that). Anyhow I also did see the sdcard mounted. I cd'ed into it and did an ls. Everything showed up. It was mounted rw.
Let me know if I can do anything else to speed along the development.
Hate to ask a dumb question? But why not continue to distribute the sqsh builds if they're so much easier to test out for winmo users? Isn't that what the installer is trying to do is process the androidinstall.tar file into either one of three options one of which is cacheable - the sqsh files?
But still, I'd love to hear I now have a back up option..
Zenity thank you for your hard work and even diligent support! I totally get the stress that comes with messing with software for long periods of time. If it helps we can sacrifice a user to the /dev/null ? Hope you're feeling better.
tyler51773 said:
Your last post you can tell someone got under your skin...
Zenity thank you for your hard work and even diligent support! I totally get the stress that comes with messing with software for long periods of time. If it helps we can sacrifice a user to the /dev/null ? Hope you're feeling better.
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Lol, sorry if it came over like that, I was typing it at a cafe on my kaiser, so I didn't spend as much time as I usually try to on a post, I usually try to structure them as carefully as possible to avoid misunderstandings
To be more accurate, I feel that the present sets of install instructions do assume a lot more knowledge than a lot of those new to Android actually have, this is not a disrespectful statement, simply that most builds have grown and changed so much, and the users who have been using them have also grown in specific knowledge of the install process, this, naturally, has led to some instructions assuming that those users all know the basics, which of course would be true if there were no new users.
It is difficult to produce a generic set of install instructions, since there are still a number of ways to get android onto our devices, and some builds are designed for other hardware originally, myn's for Vogue for example, so the install instructions tend to be more focused on those devices.
As far as the actual installer is concerned, the only time you will wipe winmo is if you have already flashed to nand, running via haret will not wipe winmo, the warning about wiping the system, or data, applies only to the Android build you are installing.
The present installer will process the androidinstall.tar or .tgz and install either to nand, if that is available, EXT2 partition, again, if available, or FAT32 partition, most commonly known as SD card or Haret install, the actual installation will then unpack the tar file to the proper destination, and on haret will produce a system and data img file, I'm unsure if it produces a sqsh file, since it's been a long while since I ran from anything but nand, but I do understand the confusion the install produces for those wishing to stay with winmo, and would prefer that it was clearer, but as with most of android development, once it works, development ceases until it breaks
Rest assured, unless you flash to nand, your winmo should be completely safe, I have not yet seen anyone wipe winmo using the SD/Haret method, not in all the time that we have been running Android on our kaisers.
I'm confused now however, I was always under the impression that the Tilt was merely another kaiser model, and unless you have forgotten to edit the default.txt file to reflect your hardware, the keypad/dpad should function properly, which as far as the escape sequences you have posted, would seem to be the case, ( dpad centre should give ^@ in console etc), so navigating the installer should be as easy as pressing the left, right up or down keys, followed by centre to choose options.
What I am now tempted to do is reflash my secondary Kaiser to winmo stock, and try a few haret installs just to check out things, since most of the above is mainly from memory, although a lot of the Nand install procedure is similar, may not be identical.
Sacrifices will not be necessary, however offerings may be made of caffeine, and/or chocolate, this may help me continue to function in my role as helpful user, and reduce my occasional visits to the mild irony I call my sense of humour
cool
I feel you about short emails making one sound bad! I made that mistake a few times. I actually hate email. I wrote this very funny email to my advisor, he liked it, and forwarded to his boss - just communicating, not to share a laugh or to complain, but to answer a question he did not know; atleast I was told that as I was then later forced to ask him 'did I make you mad?'. Anyhow I got chewed out for professionalism by the department chair which is not the way to a elect a major. Funny enough, I had decided writing funny was the way to go after i had peeved someone off for writing short almost angry sounding emails. In short I hate email/communicating via text.
I was thinking about the whole solution thing. If i need to do a key remap maybe we could just write up a shell script and I could execute it from /sdcard and then re-execute the installer ? unknown.sh??
Also, if you produce some img files what's to stop you from sharing those? I'd totally be willing to try it, maybe it'll work, maybe it'll break wifi calibration? who knows?
Bug found:
http://code.google.com/p/vogue-android/issues/detail?id=124#makechanges
set cmdline "ppp.nostart=0 pm.sleep_mode=1 mddi.width=240 mddi.height=320 no_console_suspend board-kaiser-keypad.atttilt=1"
just tried to change board-kaiser-keypad.atttilt=1 with no results
Just my .02c
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Hello everyone. I haven't flashed Android to NAND yet but I'd like to try it.
I am sure this question has been asked before but I did try the search and I couldn't find it. Sorry if this has already been asked.
So, for the Kaiser, if I flash Android to NAND (ie: Polymod's most recent) how do you flash back to Windows Mobile?
I'm concerned because USB does not connect properly when Android is running with HaRET ("unrecognized USB device" using XP SP3 couldn't make heads or tails of the drivers in the SDK but then I didn't try installing the whole environment)
So I guess my question is -- even with the device unrecognized, can you still flash it back? If so, how? Is it really simple and easy?
Please let me know and point me in the right direction! Thanks!
aikeru said:
Hello everyone. I haven't flashed Android to NAND yet but I'd like to try it.
I am sure this question has been asked before but I did try the search and I couldn't find it. Sorry if this has already been asked.
So, for the Kaiser, if I flash Android to NAND (ie: Polymod's most recent) how do you flash back to Windows Mobile?
I'm concerned because USB does not connect properly when Android is running with HaRET ("unrecognized USB device" using XP SP3 couldn't make heads or tails of the drivers in the SDK but then I didn't try installing the whole environment)
So I guess my question is -- even with the device unrecognized, can you still flash it back? If so, how? Is it really simple and easy?
Please let me know and point me in the right direction! Thanks!
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I beleive you can always follow the process here.
Your boot loader should not change when flashing so not being able to use the USB while in Android is not going to prevent your returning back to a stock ROM. I have not tested this but I'm pretty sure that you can always get back to your boot loader screen and re-flash from that point. Can someone confirm that this is the appropriate solution?
deekjx said:
I beleive you can always follow the process here.
Your boot loader should not change when flashing so not being able to use the USB while in Android is not going to prevent your returning back to a stock ROM. I have not tested this but I'm pretty sure that you can always get back to your boot loader screen and re-flash from that point. Can someone confirm that this is the appropriate solution?
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Did anyone try this solution?
Since the bootloader is still there all you do if not able to flash via async when in android is flash via bootloader
Moved to general as not ROM Dev.
Thanks for the information, guys!! I will have to try it out over this weekend and see how it goes...
I can confirm that flashing via bootloader works fine, also flashing from SD works as well, in fact I keep a 128MB sd with a WM kaisimg.nbh on it handy just in case I need to flash a good WM rom for some reason.
Is there an Android OS with everything working on the Kaiser?
Dukenukemx said:
Is there an Android OS with everything working on the Kaiser?
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You can see in different post of android rom what works and what doesn't works.
actually, Bluetooth and camera never works for in android 2.x build and some other apps doesn't works
I've been running Android for a few weeks now from this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614382
I've found everything to work with the exception of Bluetooth, video camera (normal camera works fine), and the barcode scanner. Also, my battery life is cut in half, but I have an extended life battery so I get a day or two out of it.
I prefer this method as you can just boot Android at will and can soft reset to go back to WinMo.
Just to let everyone know I did flash WM back just fine since I have HardSPL 3.56 and used the stylus to press the reset + camera button at the same time to get to the tri-color screen.
From there I flashed from USB without any problems.
Thanks again for all the help!
I am having problems reverting back to WM after attempting to install android to NAND. Something happened where the only way I was able to get to the android installer would be if I had the KAISDIAG.nbh file on the SD card so it would get past the tri color hard spl screen . Well as a result, I can't get into boot loader. It shows that screen for a split second, then if I do camera + power and then reset. Then I have to pull the battery. Can someone help me? It seems like it will only go into the Android bootloader, which obviously won't allow it to install a WM rom. SD flashes are my only choice because the usb port is pretty messed up. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
The procedure for flashing WM back using SD card is much the same as flashing the Nand bootloader for Android.
First get a WM rom, copy the RUU_Signed.nbh to SD card, rename it to KAISimg.nbh, pull the battery, replace, press power and hold camera button, this should start the flash process.
Note that the SD card must be formatted FAT32, or it will not find the KAISimg.nbh.
If you prefer to flash a stock rom you will usually have to extract the RUU_Signed.nbh from the installer, just open it in winrar.
the reset in android is not working correctly. The correct way to get into bootloader is to pull the battery, wait a few minutes, rpelace the battery, press power and then press and hold camera button, do not use reset.
zenity said:
The procedure for flashing WM back using SD card is much the same as flashing the Nand bootloader for Android.
First get a WM rom, copy the RUU_Signed.nbh to SD card, rename it to KAISimg.nbh, pull the battery, replace, press power and hold camera button, this should start the flash process.
Note that the SD card must be formatted FAT32, or it will not find the KAISimg.nbh.
If you prefer to flash a stock rom you will usually have to extract the RUU_Signed.nbh from the installer, just open it in winrar.
the reset in android is not working correctly. The correct way to get into bootloader is to pull the battery, wait a few minutes, rpelace the battery, press power and then press and hold camera button, do not use reset.
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Thanks, but unfortunately this still did not work. Have any other suggestions? I think the only way will it even do anything is if I have the KAISDIAG.nbh file on the card. It recognizes that, but then goes straight to linux. IDK what else to do. Could you be a little more clear on the procedure for getting into the bootloader? Thanks.
Ok please follow these steps carefully.
1. Format the SD card, make sure you are formatting it as FAT32, not FAT.
2. Download a Winmo Rom from somewhere handy.
3. Extract the Rom to a handy folder, find the RUU_Signed.nbh file, rename that to KAISimg.nbh
4. Copy the KAISimg.nbh file to the SD card. You should only have one file on the SD card, no folders just the NBH file.
5. pull the battery from the phone, wait at least 5 minutes.
6. Replace the battery. Press Power button, and hold down camera button, until the tri color screen appears.
7. The screen should now change to a white one, and when it's checked the nbh it will ask you to press power key again. do that.
8. Now it should flash the rom, this should take a while, 5-10 minutes, once it's finished you should get a message of success.
9. Now pull the battery again, wait 5 minutes, replace the battery, and power on, you should now boot into Winmo.
Hopefully this should solve your problems, if not then let me know which setp failed and we can work on that stage.
Finally, don't panic, take it slow, it'll all work out
Thanks, but the problem starts at number 6. I am supposed to press the power button, release it, and hold the camera button till it gets to the white screen, right? It's still stuck at the splash screen. I tried holding both and that didn't work either. Anything else I can try? I hope i'm not screwed?
If I put the battery in, boot it up, then push the camera and insert the stylus into the reset hole, it gets to the tricolor screen, then for about 0.5sec it flashes the white screen with a message saying "No image File." I know for sure the .nbh file is there.
I have experienced this before, when I tried to use an SD card that was formatted FAT, when formatting you must make sure it is formatted FAT32, the bootloader cannot read FAT formatted SD cards, even if Winmo and Android can.
I format using a card reader, and in windows it is sometimes easy to overlook the file system type, most SD cards are usually formatted FAT when they are new, and you must change the formatting, or it will just format FAT again.
zenity said:
I have experienced this before, when I tried to use an SD card that was formatted FAT, when formatting you must make sure it is formatted FAT32, the bootloader cannot read FAT formatted SD cards, even if Winmo and Android can.
I format using a card reader, and in windows it is sometimes easy to overlook the file system type, most SD cards are usually formatted FAT when they are new, and you must change the formatting, or it will just format FAT again.
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Unfortunately, as much as I wish it was, it is not the problem. I'm on a Mac, but booted windows 7 to be make sure it was formatted to FAT 32, which it was. Is there some way I can fix permissions? Every time it runs, I keep getting the error saying that it is in read only mode. I obviously need to get it into writing mode. I don't think the fix permissions option on the installer did anything either.
The eclair build still will not install on my phone. I changed to an earlier .nbh file and now don't need the KAISDIAG.nbh file to get out of the splash screen and into the installer. When I run the install command for NAND, it says it can't mount, "no such file exists", "failed to extract." Keep in mind I haven't even gotten Android installed to NAND, just the installer itself. I can't even go back to WinMo either. It also seems like a permissions error since I believe it said the SD card is read only, but when plugged into my computer I fixed that and now it is read-write, but not on the phone. Please help because I really want to either get this working, or get back to WinMo instead of have this useless phone I currently have. Thanks.
Is there a way to enter the command line from the installer screen?
Tilt Fanatic said:
The eclair build still will not install on my phone. I changed to an earlier .nbh file and now don't need the KAISDIAG.nbh file to get out of the splash screen and into the installer. When I run the install command for NAND, it says it can't mount, "no such file exists", "failed to extract." Keep in mind I haven't even gotten Android installed to NAND, just the installer itself. I can't even go back to WinMo either. It also seems like a permissions error since I believe it said the SD card is read only, but when plugged into my computer I fixed that and now it is read-write, but not on the phone. Please help because I really want to either get this working, or get back to WinMo instead of have this useless phone I currently have. Thanks.
Is there a way to enter the command line from the installer screen?
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Alright, I'll try and sum up your experiences. Tell us if we're missing anything;
You have the following symptoms
Linux Android-installer works
Tri-color bootloader semi-works
You cannot use the USB
You cannot install polymod's Eclair build
Now, you have mentioned a couple of things you have tried, such as
Replacing the Linux NBH with another version
Fixing permissions on the SD-card
Fixing permissions through the Android-installer
Flashing a WinMO ROM through SD card
You did mention getting other behaviours when you switched to another NBH, such as "KAISDIAG.nbh" not being required.
Now, this is a long shot coming from me, as I have had no troubles with flashing, and the fact that I can use my USB, but since your phone is pretty messed up I guess it can't hurt as a suggestion;
You can flash to other NBH's I take it, as you mentioned you did a downgrade. What I'm a bit curious about is whether you did try to flash to a WinMO rom when you had downgraded to your current NBH.
Also, you said the previous NBH required you to have "KAISDIAG.nbh" on the card to even get working. Did you try and rename a WinMO-ROM's NBH to "KAISDIAG.nbh" and flash that? Might be that the flasher is really constrictive with the file names.
EDIT: Oh, and what about trying to run other Eclair builds? Just to see if you can nail it down to this being a problem of the builds or something more bound to the actual hardware/SPL/NBH's.
Hi, I installed android to my touch but now I'd like to go back to window mobile. I haven't been able to figure out how to flash it back to windows... any help?
Thanks
reflash a winmo build.
I'd love to reflash to a winmo build, but i just don't know how.
search. read the wiki's @ the top.
why go back anyway?
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Long story short. i'm trying android again to see if the newest build has better battery life. the last build couldn't hold a charge long enough to make it worht while as a phone.
The only way i've ever gotten android to get data after being flashed has been to get it working in windows first and then installing android.
i've read and searched for a step by step on how to do this and i just haven't been fruitful.
just download and flash one of the 6.5 builds....there's a very informative guide on how to
The guides that i see want me to establish an active sync connection to flash the device but I have android installed and i cant' establish an active sync connection. I think thats my major hangup. Is there a way to flash it from the memory card?
not that Im aware of.. my have to RUU back to stock and start over.
look here for sprint rom http://shipped-roms.com/shipped/Vogue/
That would be just fine too... i still don't know how to do it. When i run the rom update utility it gives me a connection error.
Edit: I realize that i'm being vague. Let me try to fill in the gaps. I am putting my phone into the bootloader mode, hooking it up to my PC via USB and running the Rom update Utility with a custom rom. The phone has been unlocked so it really shouldn't have any trouble..
What am I doing wrong?
moperist said:
The guides that i see want me to establish an active sync connection to flash the device but I have android installed and i cant' establish an active sync connection. I think thats my major hangup. Is there a way to flash it from the memory card?
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Put your phone in Bootloader Mode by pressing the Camera and Power buttons and then the Reset button all at the same time.
Then make sure you have a radio of 3.4x or above... If not Flash back to a new stock Rom and then follow the threads you were just reading.
If you radio is good go and Download one of the ROMS here on this forum.
Happy Flashing!
P.S Please Ask your Questions in the Q and A section of this forum.
moperist said:
That would be just fine too... i still don't know how to do it. When i run the rom update utility it gives me a connection error.
Edit: I realize that i'm being vague. Let me try to fill in the gaps. I am putting my phone into the bootloader mode, hooking it up to my PC via USB and running the Rom update Utility with a custom rom. The phone has been unlocked so it really shouldn't have any trouble..
What am I doing wrong?
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Make sure it says usb at the bottom of the bootloader.
Ok, I found out the problem... i'm retarded.
Thank you for your patience. Sorry to have been a bother and put this in the wrong place.
moperist said:
Ok, I found out the problem... i'm retarded.
Thank you for your patience. Sorry to have been a bother and put this in the wrong place.
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No problem.
Glad you got it figured out!
moperist said:
Ok, I found out the problem... i'm retarded.
Thank you for your patience. Sorry to have been a bother and put this in the wrong place.
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No bother....learning experience.
so what was the problem?
so what was the problem because I'm trying to get from android to win 6.5 and the computer is saying that my xv6900 isn't hooked up even though on bootloader it says usb...any help would be great
How to Flash a Vogue without ActiveSync
How to Flash a Vogue Without ActiveSync
A method so easy my Mother could do it.
Not suggesting there's anything wrong with my mother, just that she's not all that technically oriented.
Here's an easy way to flash your HTC Vogue without using ActiveSync. It would likely be a great method to use if you had many Vogues that all needed to be updated as well. Works great for those not using Windows, as well.
Look around for a Transflash (aka MicroSD) card, one that you can erase, 2GB or less.
Use your Windows machine to make sure it's freshly formatted as FAT32]
Copy the ROM you want to flash to the card.
Rename the file you just copied to VOGUIMG.nbh If you are flashing a different model, you need to be sure you have the right file name for it. I think the pattern is the first 4 letters of the model name with IMG.nbh after it, but if it doesn't work, don't blame me,
Put card in phone.
Enter bootloader mode by holding the CAMERA and POWER buttons, while pressing the RESET button in the little hole in the bottom of the phone. (don't bother to connect it to your computer)
Enjoy a caffinated beverage of your choice, or an alcoholic beverage of your choice, or heck, a nice tall glass of cool water while you wait.
Watch as your phone automagically flashes itself!
Congratulate yourself on a job well done.
This is what I'm going to use from now on for flashing with a Mac or Linux. For those addicted to flashing, you can even take a collection of cards with you. I'm not yet sure if you can have multiple ROMs on one card, and just rename the one you want to flash or not yet, but I'll likely find out soon.
ATTENTION:
Missing any of these will make it NOT WORK:
Card must be normal SD, not SDHC or XDHC. No bigger than 2GB
Card must be formatted with FAT32. They often come formatted FAT16 or plain FAT, and a previously-used card could have just about any format on it -- NTFS. HPFS. HFS+. EXT3 -- Format it right to be sure.
Be sure you have the right name. I've heard that CaSe cOuNtS -- the name above has been cut/pasted from a working reflash card.
There is no #4.
Have fun!
Oh yes, just in case:[Lawyer]You are responsible for your own actions. This information is provided as a public service, and I wave all responsibility for it's correctness or how it is used. If you brick your phone, it's your fault. If your phone explodes, not my problem, but I'd like the remains.[/Lawyer]
Gr1zz said:
How to Flash a Vogue Without ActiveSync
A method so easy my Mother could do it.
Not suggesting there's anything wrong with my mother, just that she's not all that technically oriented.
Here's an easy way to flash your HTC Vogue without using ActiveSync. It would likely be a great method to use if you had many Vogues that all needed to be updated as well. Works great for those not using Windows, as well.
Look around for a Transflash (aka MicroSD) card, one that you can erase, 2GB or less.
Use your Windows machine to make sure it's freshly formatted as FAT32]
Copy the ROM you want to flash to the card.
Rename the file you just copied to VOGUIMG.nbh If you are flashing a different model, you need to be sure you have the right file name for it. I think the pattern is the first 4 letters of the model name with IMG.nbh after it, but if it doesn't work, don't blame me,
Put card in phone.
Enter bootloader mode by holding the CAMERA and POWER buttons, while pressing the RESET button in the little hole in the bottom of the phone. (don't bother to connect it to your computer)
Enjoy a caffinated beverage of your choice, or an alcoholic beverage of your choice, or heck, a nice tall glass of cool water while you wait.
Watch as your phone automagically flashes itself!
Congratulate yourself on a job well done.
This is what I'm going to use from now on for flashing with a Mac or Linux. For those addicted to flashing, you can even take a collection of cards with you. I'm not yet sure if you can have multiple ROMs on one card, and just rename the one you want to flash or not yet, but I'll likely find out soon.
ATTENTION:
Missing any of these will make it NOT WORK:
Card must be normal SD, not SDHC or XDHC. No bigger than 2GB
Card must be formatted with FAT32. They often come formatted FAT16 or plain FAT, and a previously-used card could have just about any format on it -- NTFS. HPFS. HFS+. EXT3 -- Format it right to be sure.
Be sure you have the right name. I've heard that CaSe cOuNtS -- the name above has been cut/pasted from a working reflash card.
There is no #4.
Have fun!
Oh yes, just in case:[Lawyer]You are responsible for your own actions. This information is provided as a public service, and I wave all responsibility for it's correctness or how it is used. If you brick your phone, it's your fault. If your phone explodes, not my problem, but I'd like the remains.[/Lawyer]
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i do as yousay after i put it in bootloade mode it says loading for a split seconde then goes back to bootloader i need help i have android with no data i read that i need to reinstill wm get data working their then re install android i cant get wm back on this phone im going on 3 days trying to flash this yes its unlocked
Hi all.
I've been lurking on the Kaiser forum for some time and have found a wealth of very useful info... Except when it comes to running Android via HaRET.
Yes, I know there have been a million questions. Yes, I have seen many of them inserted into what should be straight developer/bug threads. Even so, the "answer" to my issue doesn't work.
From "How to run Polymod’s AWESOME 2.1 Eclare Build and Updates":
Section 2 - Errors and FAQ's
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#1 Failed to reach system.img on SD Card
If you see the error message below:
“Failed to reach system.img on SD Card” then you did not hold the button down correctly. You are seeing this because you missed, disabled or bypassed the install menu.
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NOT TRUE. I have booted more than 20 times pressing/holding the center button at different times and with different intensities. No matter what I do, I get this blasted error message. Any solution other than the stock one listed above would be cause for hero-worship.
This error can have a number of causes, namely the file system, is the SD card formatted FAT32, ( some cards come formatted FAT16 as standard), or having the SD card set up incorrectly, for haret you need to have all files in the andboot folder.
Provided haret starts correctly, which it is since you cannot reach the post-install stage unless it is booting the kernel, then the only part of the procedure that can go wrong is the installer.
The only things I can think of that would cause the installer not to start is either the card itself, or problems with the andboot folder and/or the files inside.
The only advice I can give at the moment is to calmly start haret, watch the scrolling text until you get the pause, and the 'press d-pad to start installer' text.
At that point if you press the d-pad centre button, and hold it you will see '^@' on the screen, if you do not see the '^@' or see anything else then the installer cannot start, it will only respond to the correct key.
If you see anything else it is possible you have incorrectly set an option in default.txt file.
If all this still fails, then report back with anything you find, I may have some other ideas based on what you find out
+1 on zenitys answer and in addition you are using the correct basefiles to run haret?
Try using the screen as a giant keypad and pressing and holding the center of the screen.
EDIT: Scratch that... It only works as a keypad once the menu is up. Sorry.
that works?
Seriously?
I mean really?
No it bloody does not, ( lol, can't believe i actually tried it ).....
i had this problem and pulled my hair out, eventually i downloaded a different haret basefile and copied to my SD and bam it worked, sorry but i'm i soon after went to nand and erased the haret files so i don't have them anymore.
zenity: Yes, it is FAT32 and yes all files are in andboot. I do see a '^@' when I press the center button if I press it when prompted. If I press and hold as soon as I see Tux, I don't get that character pair. I see a different string of characters if I press one of the other buttons instead. I haven't modified the default.txt file in any way other than to re-name it from default-kaiser.txt.
I am using the files from a haretinstall.zip that I got directly from sourceforge Android HTC project (sourceforge.net/projects/androidhtc/files/... not allowed to post links <_<). The files were under the date 02-13-2010. I have since grabbed two other more current versions of haretinstall.zip and will try them after I post this. I am also using the most current androidinstall.tar and androidupdate.tar from sourceforge, though I have also tried Polyrithmic Eclair 2.1g's androidinstall.tgz.
Thanks all for the replies and I'll try those other haretinstall.zip's while waiting for any other replies.
maybe try a different sd card?
I couldn't get any nbh's to be read off of my 2gb patriot, but when i put in my 16gb sandisk the nbh's worked.
I know this is only marginally related lol, but it's worth a shot?
mr_fosi said:
zenity: Yes, it is FAT32 and yes all files are in andboot. I do see a '^@' when I press the center button if I press it when prompted. If I press and hold as soon as I see Tux, I don't get that character pair. I see a different string of characters if I press one of the other buttons instead. I haven't modified the default.txt file in any way other than to re-name it from default-kaiser.txt.
I am using the files from a haretinstall.zip that I got directly from sourceforge Android HTC project (sourceforge.net/projects/androidhtc/files/... not allowed to post links <_<). The files were under the date 02-13-2010. I have since grabbed two other more current versions of haretinstall.zip and will try them after I post this. I am also using the most current androidinstall.tar and androidupdate.tar from sourceforge, though I have also tried Polyrithmic Eclair 2.1g's androidinstall.tgz.
Thanks all for the replies and I'll try those other haretinstall.zip's while waiting for any other replies.
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I do remember trying the 2/13 first and that is the one that holding the button did absolutely nothing, it was either 2/14 or 2/20 (those are in my browsing history) that did work for me. It was a "ta dah" moment when the install menu popped up.
deezy7 said:
maybe try a different sd card?
I couldn't get any nbh's to be read off of my 2gb patriot, but when i put in my 16gb sandisk the nbh's worked.
I know this is only marginally related lol, but it's worth a shot?
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I doubt it, cause its reading the kernel if he is getting the error message. The error message about system.img is because an install hasn't been performed to create a system.img or data.img file on the sdcard.
Actually it's very related, android seems unusually sensitive to SD card issues that winmo simply ignores.
If you have another SD card available then try that, if not then all I can suggest at the moment is reformatting a couple of times, that worked for one of my 2Gb cards that simply would not recognise my NBH files no matter what I did.
An alternative might be to grab kalt_kaffe's zimage from here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=660158
this seems to be the best zImage for eclair at the moment. Just download it, put it in andboot with the rest of the haret files, make sure it's named correctly, ( it'll probably need you to delete the zImage file already there anyway, or overwrite if you use a card reader and windows).
Since you are getting the ^@ then the kernel is running properly, that actually only leaves the SD card, the reason you get the other character pair if you press to early is that with some zImages the keyboard may not be set up early enough, which is why I always wait for the pause, never failed me yet.
Maybe... Maybe...
Thanks again all.
It may well be the SD card but a more current set of HaRET basefiles did finally fix the center button issue. I have been able to get android installed but little else. I have a blank screen (with clock, battery and wifi in the top bar) but nothing else.
I'm going to blame this issue particular tar files I used and I will go back and try the Eclaire by Polyrithmic or the one by kallt_kaffe you linked. I didn't really want the Andriod HTC tar files but was using them in an attempt to minimize the variables causing my initial button issue.
If you are going to use polymod may I suggest the 2.1D download linked in my sig, it's only the install.tar, but is pretty stable, and is in fact what I use for my everyday android on my main kaiser.
Since you have a working set of haret files, simply replace the zImage with kalt_kaffe's zImage, replace the installer with poly's 2.1D and you should hopefully be good to go
I tried 2.1d and it locked during the post-install setup. I also tried kalt_kaffe's zImage with both 2.1g and it broke my wifi.
As such, I am back to using 2.1g with the kernel that was originally bundled with it... Even bluetooth seems to work. I can see my lappy but I haven't tried pairing yet. No microphone though as far as I can tell. It'll be awesome once the ethereal developers find a way to make the camera work.
At least now I have something new to play with. I'm eying Warm Donut b/c I like the look but I don't know if I want to undo the working install I have. Never know till you try, right?
I guess this is probably already well-known but my kaiser's camera works under Warm Donut. The pics aren't all that great but it does take them.
If anyone else stops by... I'm having audio problems. I'd had audio problems with all the different Android releases I've tried so far. The main problem is that there is no audio. No alerts, rings or media.
Any suggestions?
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If anyone else stops by... I'm having audio problems. I'd had audio problems with all the different Android releases I've tried so far. The main problem is that there is no audio. No alerts, rings or media.
Any suggestions?
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The way I understand it, that can be affected by your radio firmware... The radio firmware I use without any problems for android is in my sig.
Please post which one you are using, too!
Good call! I hadn't considered my radio version though I have seen numerous posts suggesting that users upgrade... Or at least swap theirs out.
WM6 indicates that my radio version is 1.27.14.09.
Radio 1.27.14.09
Protocol 22.45.88.07h
ROM 1.62.00.00
I'll do a little reading and see if I can't figure out how to swap a new radio (probably the one you're using) in.
Ok that's one old radio, go here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393182, get the 1.71.09.01 linked at the bottom of post #3, it's an nbh file, so just rename it to KAISimg.nbh, put it on SD and flash the same as the Nand nbh, it will not affect anything, just upgrades the radio.
I got the radio nbh and now I am working out how to use nand. Most everything I see is geared toward wiping windows to replace it with android. I don't want to do that yet so I'm trying to parse now to flash this nbh without jacking up my device or the windows that is currently on it.
So first of all i must say that im a completly noob at the android instalation on kaiser
I search for a noob tutorial but i coudnt fiind can someone post here a tutorial including files thanks
Here is the Guide in Sticky
How to replace Windows Mobile with Android (Guide) by Dukenukemx
scroll down to Installing Applications Onto SD Card using Ext2
This should help. The guide help me greatly, very easy to follow.
Hope this helps.
Its not tricky, I mean even I can do it, come on
I did edit a wiki page on this, but appears to be down, so here goes, from memory.
Backup any data first, just in case, not taking any responsibility for loss of data.
Firstly ensure your SD card if formatting correctly (FAT32), use on Gparted (linux live CD) to do this, (for me, I created two ext 2 partitions as well as I thought this would work best, works for me).
You then need the HaRET application to allow you to run Android. Google "haret.exe"
Extract the files this should create the right directory.
You then need to choose a build, this is personal choice, but I'll post the one I am testing right now. milanche's CyanogenMod 6 Kaiser
Put the installandroid.tar into the folder you created above.
Move to your SD card.
Find and run HeRET.
When screen shows text, tap and hold the center of the screen until you get a menu.
Choose install (ensure the options are set to SD).
Select Install
Once done, select Quit.
This then installs Android and can take a while, just leave it to get on with it.
You should then been booted into Android.
I might have forgotten something, as I am doing this from memory, but it should be fresh since I installed this last night.
Looks good to me, nice guide, don't think you missed anything
Thatnk you Zenity, but I know I couldn't have done this without your help in the begining when I first tried it. I know how it can seem all a bit over whelming.
I know a lot of people say 'search for it' but I did that just to see what I would find, and to be honest, I didn't get anything but that was of any use, so I can sympathis the search doesn't always get you the right results.
I could not remember the direcotry names when I wrote that at work and had to do it in a hurry as the entire office can see my magnified screen so it was a quick brain dump, not as nice as I would have liked to have written it given the time (which I did on the wiki but its down).
Anyway Keeps it fresh in my mind too.
I can only do this when I'm given the right files, I got confused myself when people started talking about different zImages. I tend to go for the builds where everything is bundled into one packing, as some can seem fragmented, ie Fresh Foryo, I don't doubt that it may be a good rom, but its deleivery is complicated (for me ).
Wish I had more time an experience to make my own build, I have done a bit of linix hacking in my time with shell scripts (getting wifi cardds working ona laptop etc), Its all interesting stuff.
thanks guys u helped me alot in the end i will instal android on an ext2 partition
Dear Leona,
The link seems no longer valid, can you tell where to find the latest HaRET application? Besides, how should I format my SD card? by special software? Thanks.
Dave
If you'd have problems with using Gparted Live CD like me... just because it does not mount SD card in adapter... here is what I did to partition the SDHC 4GB card...
I booted with HARET but did not select to install.. it gracefully fails to terminal
command: su
command: fdisk /dev/block/mmcblk0
deleted all current patrition (d)
created new partitions whith calculated size (8192 for 256MB)
changed type of the first and biggest patririon to FAT32 (t => c)
written all the changes to the partition table (w)
Than you should take out the card before rebooting and format FAT32 partition in win to upload all te android boot files, rebot the phone and follow with instalation...
But I must say, now I am using Scooters Cyanogen in NAND and it it far far easier
After I choose run, then a list of Linus commands ran, then it said
:loseup:/dev/block/loops: No such file or directory
Failed
Failed to reach system.img on SD card
By the way, anywhere I can download a complete set of files for running? Thanks.
try this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=813382&page=31
look for the 4th post...
or this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=855733
read a lot before attempting to do anything! use the search tool too, could be of some help.
For SD Partitioning, I remembered this Thread, which might help.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=619290
Sounds like you are not holding the centre Dpad button (or pressing the centre of the screen) while haret is loading, yes this can be Hit and Miss it winds me up no end.
If you have access to a Linux machine (or boot a Live CD), as well as being useful for SD partitioning it also maybe used to try out Atools (you'll need to install python and python-tk (via the package manager)) as this will get you the right Kernels, images and configure your default.txt file for you, though I haven't managed to get the build script bit working yet, but that is down to my lack of understanding the instructions
Hello,
I need some help. Install its Android OS, but after he reset my Kaiser again charged WinMo OS. My question is whether it is possible to choose which OS to load first or with any program or edit the file to indicate to launch the first Android.
Sorry for my bad english :S Use Google translator
If you have installed Android to SD card and use Haret.exe then it will always reboot to WM.
You must install to nand if you wish to boot to Android only, which will wipe WM totally and replace it with Android.
The guide stickied at the top of the forum is a good tutorial in doing this
That does bring a good point to my mind though, we could create an exe that loads at startup of wm to auto load haret and startup if the user doesn't cancel in so many seconds (like grub). I keep WM on my phone so I can easily change my droid version and also I know everything works including opening office files (actually that's the biggest sticking point for me keeping it).
Thanks for support. Today I try to flash via NAND method.
Kind Regards
Lybomir
I flash my Kaiser with latest zImage-2.6.32-froyo-09-09-10_21 from here http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/files/?C=M;O=D and my device loading Android OS very slow, and big problem is : Phone go in screensaver and I try to unlock and screeen stay only in white light, no picture, no widgets... total block. Only solution is it a use Soft reset button or remove batery
Maybe you choose the wrong panel type?
I can read in your signature Duo Boot so I guess you installed onto the SD and use Haret to run Android.
If so, you have to edit the default.txt file locate in ANDBOOT folder and modify the value following htckaiser.panel_type.
You can specify 1, 2 or 3 (most Kaisers use panel type 2)
Wrong panel type may lead to awake problems or wrong colors...
The excessive slowness may be due to a slow SD. Which class is it? Use at least class 4 SD.
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In case you already flashed to NAND, to change the panel type you have to choose the right kernel (the kaisimg file) or you can edit the one you flashed following instructions and links you can find in #4 at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=680518
obviously you have to reflash the kaisimg.nbh but you don't need to flash Android again
I try with 1,2 and 3 but every time show me a this problem, and now i run HaRET and in 2 from 3 times phone block and not response only Soft reset work, and if case phone load complete Android and again in screen seaver system not respond... ;(
I flash my phone with ext2 partition on my sd card/ class 4 8 GB SDHC/ and try with system and data on sdcard an again freez white screen/
Sorry for my bad english
dlink.bg said:
I try with 1,2 and 3 but every time show me a this problem, and now i run HaRET and in 2 from 3 times phone block and not response only Soft reset work, and if case phone load complete Android and again in screen seaver system not respond... ;(
I flash my phone with ext2 partition on my sd card/ class 4 8 GB SDHC/ and try with system and data on sdcard an again freez white screen/
Sorry for my bad english
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May you try to install a different build and see if you fall into the same problem?
BTW, just after installing, don't start playing soon with the device: initially skip all settings (touch the android, don't set google account and so on) and leave the phone quiet for at least 10-15 minutes: some builds need to copy file to the cache and playing with the device may interfere with this operation leading to unpredictable effects...
Let we know...
It is slow because you installed it on sdcard.. both partition.. if you are on nand. Try install both partition on nand partition.. and try hawks soad rls 3 as me.. its fastest build for kaiser.. and I haven't ever problem with white screen ata awake.. try it in that haws soad ion build.. you can finf it in that forun.. just find it
Sent from my HTC Kaiser Ion using XDA App
I find a solution! Later I post how find solution
Thanks on every in this thread to help me!
dlink.bg said:
I find a solution! Later I post how find solution
Thanks on every in this thread to help me!
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You're welcome
And I'm waiting to know
Don't suppose any of you have actually seen this thread?
Gen.Y DualBOOT v1.0.6.0
Should work fine on Kaiser, certainly works fine on other devices, such as Diamond, Blackstone etc
zenity said:
Don't suppose any of you have actually seen this thread?
Gen.Y DualBOOT v1.0.6.0
Should work fine on Kaiser, certainly works fine on other devices, such as Diamond, Blackstone etc
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Hi Zenity... Yes, know that piece of software.
But as You have to boot WinMo (Yes, I Know, not all the services need to be running but system must be loaded and started, GUI must be running and so on) in order to DualBOOT can start, I can guess it's only a partial time-save... isn't it? Did You tried it?
Have not tried it on my Kaiser, since it is Nand flashed, but I think it is what was being asked for really, a way to boot either WM, or straight into Android on SD.
I don't think it will ever be possible for both WM and Android to co-exist on nand, since there simply is not enough room on the internal memory for both.
It is a time saver on other devices I have tried it on, Diamond, Blackstone, however since neither of these devices is nand-flashable this is more what Gen-Y's dual boot was intended for.
If it was possible to run WM from SD then we might be able to truly Dual Boot, in a similar fashion to Windows/Linux on PC, but as far as I know this is not possible either.
zenity said:
Have not tried it on my Kaiser, since it is Nand flashed, but I think it is what was being asked for really, a way to boot either WM, or straight into Android on SD.
I don't think it will ever be possible for both WM and Android to co-exist on nand, since there simply is not enough room on the internal memory for both.
It is a time saver on other devices I have tried it on, Diamond, Blackstone, however since neither of these devices is nand-flashable this is more what Gen-Y's dual boot was intended for.
If it was possible to run WM from SD then we might be able to truly Dual Boot, in a similar fashion to Windows/Linux on PC, but as far as I know this is not possible either.
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Yes, of course we haven't enough NAND to have both OSes!!!
What I was thinking to (but I'm a lot far to inspect WinMo booting sequence...) is if may be possible to wedge a sort of bootloader running BEFORE the OS loads or in the early booting process and letting we choose to boot WinMo (in NAND) of Android (on SD).
At present moment I've Android running from SD but kernel NANDed (I've got problems running out of NAND and no time to solve them so I'm using the solid build previously installed on SD) so Kaiser boots quickly... and this confirms it's possible boot SD Android without having to load WinMo or Haret. The more relevant matter I can see is that we have to find a way to wedge the bootloader without have to manual modify the WinMo ROM (virtualization is far from be considered on such devices...)
I suppose this is just a "mind exercise" (Sorry, I don't know how to correctly translate an Italian common saying...
Mind exercise describes it perfectly
Not sure why you would run out of space on nand, unless you are loading a lot of apps, and there are ways to run android that may help with that, such as apps2sd, or data on SD partition.
If you must have WM then your only choice would be using Haret.exe, and the most efficient way to dual boot we have at the moment is the Gen-Y solution, which is not ideal, but does offer at least part of what you seek.
The Android bootloader we use (tinboot.s) is not flexible enough to allow dual booting, but may have some information that may be of some use in this
tinboot thread
See what you think anyway
Sorry, I was not able to be clear... I apologize for my English...
When I said "I've got problems running out of NAND" I intended to say "I've got problems - very bad performances - when Android was running from NAND"!!!
Maybe we are a bit OT...
BTW, I was far from software developing for a long while and never developed low level software for Linux/Unix... but in the past I messed up with Z80, 65xx, 68K and x86 platforms's assembly
Recently I need to approach software developing again (but at a really different level...)
I'd like to have spare time to start again, as this world attracts me more. Maybe I'll give it a chance...
Let me understand... tinboot is actually used bootloader?
BTW, just to be clear... I don't need WinMo and I'm giving Android a chance to revive my Kaiser. I'm looking for a fast and stable build and actually I'm running VaniljEclair RLS11 (Yes, I know, I'd try your Polymod 2.1D build... )
Tinboot is the bootloader we use to get android in nand, not being a coder my understanding in limited, however I did think that thread may have useful information for anyone interested in the low level workings of out devices.
I assumed you meant running out of space on nand, lol, i see now what you mean, no need to apologise for you english, it's fine
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however I did think that thread may have useful information for anyone interested in the low level workings of out devices.
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And you're right... it's a useful starting point and I'll read it accurately...
Unluckly, I need a lot of spare time (and I don't, at present) to build a solid knowledge base and to start developing for Android.
yes there should be plenty of room for both oses on Nand, I still have over 90 mb on my wm6.5 nand install with come extra apps in there. So if you stripped down both oses you could easily fit them both on nand and still some space left. But then you need to have a boot loader that will be able to load both oses. I think I heard someone say somewhere they are using grub to boot android from nand, that can boot windows also with the right configuration, that would be where to start.