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Well, if HTC won't do it, someone needs to... I want to see if it can be done. Can we create our own ATi Imageon Drivers for the MSM7200/7500?
step 1: Find out which Imageon is in there...
Here's the official list
I just hope it's not some custom job!
Think it's worth a go?
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This definitely needs to be done. I wish I had the know how to develop this but unfortunately I don't.
you should really try posting this somewhere else, like maybe in the development and hacking forum, since the vogue is not the only device that suffers from this.
this is really a great idea in my opinion, and im sure there are those out there that know how to get it done!
Would be awesome, but it seems like it would be a huge undertaking. I'd imagine that Qualcomm has it locked in some way, preventing it's use if the license to use that component wasn't purchased as part of the hardware platform. I really have no idea though. I'll keep hoping : )
A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step... we have a ton of talent here, HTC and Qualcomm don't seem to want to release it... I think that it might be time to start building our own.
Post copied to development and hacking but I quoted first post of this thread to give proper credit for the idea.
I remember reading somewhere that there is actually a $2000 (and growing) cash prize for the msm 7xxx drivers. Totally support the idea.
yep... I think it's up to 7 grand now.
I'm going to wait until the end of March before I start anything.
Draiko said:
yep... I think it's up to 7 grand now.
I'm going to wait until the end of March before I start anything.
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well if anyone could point me to link i willing to offer 200 to play quake on my phone
problem is that writing device drivers is the hardest program one can get into
the driver is limited to a very tiny mem footprint and must never be alowed to crash
even if the memory it's using is lost on the heap
and one needs access to alot of whitepapirs from the hardware maker
which is prob why htc did such a poor job writing then driver themselfs
because they were too cheap to pay qualcomm for it
Rudegar said:
problem is that writing device drivers is the hardest program one can get into
the driver is limited to a very tiny mem footprint and must never be alowed to crash
even if the memory it's using is lost on the heap
and one needs access to alot of whitepapirs from the hardware maker
which is prob why htc did such a poor job writing then driver themselfs
because they were too cheap to pay qualcomm for it
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It's not supposed to rain on parade day...
I used to write assembly language device drivers for embedded real-time systems. Doing so requires a high level of knowledge, experience and documentation WRT:
1. Dev & testing tools and environment
2. The target hardware (detailed doc)
3. The target OS kernel and driver hooks
4. System-level programming mind-set (different from app dev)
Quite interesting and rewarding if you have the above - quite difficult, bordering on 'not gonna happen' if you don't.
Sincere best wishes to those who give it a shot!
My entire impetus for this thread was to start gathering people with the skills and talent needed to tackle driver construction. If open-source maniacs can do it, we can too. I have some experience with assembly... the tricky part is going to be finding out the specific commands, paths, and function calls for the embedded hardware. There's going to be a LOT of trial and error involved.
I'm starting to look for the Windows CE DDK right now. Come April 1st, if there is no word from HTC, Qualcomm, or Sprint on this driver issue, I'm going to round up as many capable people as I can and try to hammer this out.
Something that might shed some more light on the entire driver issue... Uh oh
Big Uh oh...
if this ever comes together fully it will be really cool but i still dont get why SE didnt include drivers in the first place??
comeradealexi said:
if this ever comes together fully it will be really cool but i still dont get why SE didnt include drivers in the first place??
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As posted before, they probably bought it at a cheaper price by having the drivers restricted. If they were to pay full price then maybe the driver would have been included. It's kind of what Palm did back in the day when they could have spent the extra $.05 for a higher quality speaker but didn't on the Palm III series. I'm pretty sure this is a cost cutting technique used by most electronics manufacturers.
if im paying £500 for a device why not stick $0.5 on the bill! thats a shame
Damn right. I agree with all you guys.
The fact that I cannot get graphics hardware acceleration from a 500 USD+ device is absolutely ridiculous.
I love my Xperia X1, but in hindsight, I would've NEVER supported any product like this had I known it was the case.
Shame on HTC and Sony for swindling their customer from the "rich, multimedia experience" they promise so much.
Bastard Sony/HTC.
well boot android and youll have more qualcomm support..since they own the gpu chip msm7xxx devices uses now, thats what chipset all official android handsets use, even non htc android phones.
ajclai08 said:
well boot android and youll have more qualcomm support..since they own the gpu chip msm7xxx devices uses now, thats what chipset all official android handsets use, even non htc android phones.
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and thus, there is driver support natively in android for us?
If that's true, what's stopping us from reverse-engineering the android driver and building a WinMo driver?
If we had a starting point, it's feasible--but without a starting point (or white papers), it's impossible.
i completely agree with this we have waited enough for the garbage companies to put out. Ive gone through three HTC phones already with graphics Acceleration turned OFF... WTF!!!
No more blurry cam, thank God!!
... Also, YouTube officially confirmed here!!
http://wmpoweruser.com/youtube-functionality-confirmed-partially-demoed-on-windows-phone-7/
Damn he answers a ton of questions. It's not scripted like all the others, and you can tell he's being honest.
He didn't actually show the device, but still its a great video. His choice of words "Completely Customizable" for the start screen surprised me, as its really not.
The piece about the 20 month ago reset was interesting, and explains a lot.
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Damn he answers a ton of questions. It's not scripted like all the others, and you can tell he's being honest.
He didn't actually show the device, but still its a great video. His choice of words "Completely Customizable" for the start screen surprised me, as its really not.
The piece about the 20 month ago reset was interesting, and explains a lot.
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what other reviews have you seen/heard seem scripted?
All of the ones at the tech shows. Especially the ones where the reviewer couldn't even touch the devices. They all avoided certain questions.
I've seen a ton of very unscripted interviews. A lot of them just say "no comment" when they get questions they can't answer. At TechEd North America this sort of stuff was very common. This guy didn't get to touch the device (at least not on camera). While I think this is a good video, it's really not much different than previous stuff, ignoring the previously unshown device of course.
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All of the ones at the tech shows. Especially the ones where the reviewer couldn't even touch the devices. They all avoided certain questions.
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You should look up pocketnows latest WinPhone reviews then.
Brandon is the man!
If anyone wants some hi-res still images of the phone you can find them at flickr. com /photos/lockergnome/sets/72157624643571441/ (Remove spaces since I can't post links)
Here you go
Found a new picture of Asus WP7 phone (at least for me) on Wired w*w*w.wired.com/images_blogs/gadgetlab/2010/10/phone7_test.jpg
I'd like to know more information about this phone!, so far the nicest looking.
I just saw that Meego has been ported to the HTC Desire, Nexus One, and Dell Streak and was wondering if it would be possible to also get it on the EVO. Here is the website that I found it on.
http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/09/27/install-meego-dell-streak-nexus-one-htc-desire/
id also be very interested in this, ive heard very good things said about the os on multiple sites such as engadget and have just heard overall its a cool os, would like to see it on the evo
I would also love a port of this.....here's hoping.
still no info on this? any devs willing to put in the time? id love to if i knew how lol
found this for the nexus one, hopefully it helps
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=764255&highlight=meego
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Rebump. And more info if it helps interest anyone: Meego Wiki
Bump +1 Would love to have it.
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Nobody? It would be fun to play with
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Im interested in playing with this new Meego. Anybody else here seen this
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/21/nokia-n9-first-hands-on/
That article is probably the reason there have been three bumps for this thread since it was published.
I've decided that I may have to abandon Android for that phone, regardless of Nokia's support for it (or lack thereof). The best part is that you aren't confined to either GSM or CDMA networks. The radio supports every possible frequency, as far as I can tell.
And anyone who complains about the hardware not being up to spec hasn't seen the hands-on videos. It looks so smooth. Plus, the N900 is still holding its own after 2 years.
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That article is probably the reason there have been three bumps for this thread since it was published.
I've decided that I may have to abandon Android for that phone, regardless of Nokia's support for it (or lack thereof). The best part is that you aren't confined to either GSM or CDMA networks. The radio supports every possible frequency, as far as I can tell.
And anyone who complains about the hardware not being up to spec hasn't seen the hands-on videos. It looks so smooth. Plus, the N900 is still holding its own after 2 years.
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I'm on sprint and I saw the radios, but I somehow doubt it could be activated on any US CDMA carrier. If it can though I think I'd give Meego and the N9 a shot
Hi All,
Just searching Youtube for WP7 vids posted today and I stumbled across this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH1AvnhqMPc
I can't remember whether this handset was WM originally or if this was the Symbain one but it's an interesting video.
Is this new news, or have I found an old vid?
DC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH1AvnhqMPc
It depends, if this is the result of an actual port then this is news. We all know Microsoft has used the Samunsung Omnia HD as a prototype device to test WP7 on so if the video shows one of those devices, it isn't news.
The date of the vid says it's posted today so it would be weird that this is one of those prototype phones.
Good point about these being used a Microsoft prototypes. I'll assume that this is one of those rather than a port. I'm still at work, so I've only looked at teh vid without sound. There may be some sort of audio commentary on there, I won't know until I watch the vid at home.
DC
DavidC1980 said:
Good point about these being used a Microsoft prototypes. I'll assume that this is one of those rather than a port. I'm still at work, so I've only looked at teh vid without sound. There may be some sort of audio commentary on there, I won't know until I watch the vid at home.
DC
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No audio and I'm afraid it's one of those prototype devices cause it has a Windows button at the bottom.
well if someone finds a leak of that, it could be really cool!
Am I the only one noticing that the device has the 3 standard WP7 buttons?
Isn't that one of the early demo devices?
Sir. Haxalot said:
Am I the only one noticing that the device has the 3 standard WP7 buttons?
Isn't that one of the early demo devices?
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no you're not, fact is: if that's really a omnia HD with just different buttons, a leak of that could be used on an actual omnia HD, making it a great device even if with symbian is a ****ty one
Moving to General. PLEASE stop posting things that don't contribute to the development of WP7.
Thanks,
~~Tito~~
Well maybe this means that wp7 can be ported to similar devices.
Also, the i8910 is supposed to have a 360x640 display, which would make porting much harder. Even if they would get the OS working (I still think it something fishy about that video), the Apps would probably not scale properly to the new resolution.
I think that we really need to build some interest in hacking this kin phone. It appears that there are very few who post but there are a lot more viewing. I decided to create this poll so that maybe we can show it to some skilled mobile hackers letting them know that this phone is not dead and has amazing potential. I encourage everyone who reads this to vote in the poll. without every single person showing interest we may never get anywhere. So don't just read this but sign up and vote. Show your support!!! Lets generate some interest. Vote now and then go spread the word.
I'm interested in seeing the phone get hacked so that all its minor annoyances can be fixed but:
1. do not have the kin twom phone (eyeing to get one)
2. suck at programming
I tend not to post because I am letting the experts (who have the phone and skills to hack the phone) post their progress and such.
I been preying/stalking former Kin phone developers out on LinkedIn as johnkussack suggested but no one has replied back to add me as a contact so that I could send them private msgs asking for their help.
Maybe if we could also start calling Microsoft/Sharp/Verizon. If we have enough interest maybe we could persuade them. Maybe one of us could just get lucky with talking to a "certain" individual who is willing to give some information out. Someone mentioned on another post that Verizon was willing to give out the rom with permission from Sharp. It might also help to remember the person you talk to so that you can call them often and develop somewhat of a "friendship". Any convincing people here?
theres actually some good progress in ideas, but no progress in actually succsesfully hacking it. We just need time.
Modestmuse said:
theres actually some good progress in ideas, but no progress in actually succsesfully hacking it. We just need time.
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Time and Information to be exact.
I would love to see this thing hacked
It has such great hardware for (now a feature phone). 8mp camera, 720p video recording, 600mhz Tegra processor, 256mb of RAM, and 8 gb of storage. Those are low-end (atleast on the processor and ram side of things) smartphone specs. If someone got android or hacked the actual Kin OS, it would be amazing. Honestly, I have to wonder if Microsoft (since they gave up on the phone) would hand over any info on it. I highly doubt it but eh you never know.
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I think this is why we dont have any serious phone hackers helping out.
http: // w w w.crunchgear. com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Zune-HD.png
Has anyone tried this?
Hook up your kin and see if it is recognized by windows phone connector?
it can recognize zune HD so why not kin?
and if it doesnt recognize kin we could make a driver...
any thought?
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I think this is why we dont have any serious phone hackers helping out.
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If no one makes if for "fun", no one makes it for recognition, and if no one does for money, you are allowed to begin to suspect what the Kin status is.
Why would you want to hack the Kin2. this guy i work with has one. He absolutly hates it. I would have to agree with him. I tried to use it for a couple mins and gave up.
jwalts27 said:
Why would you want to hack the Kin2. this guy i work with has one. He absolutly hates it. I would have to agree with him. I tried to use it for a couple mins and gave up.
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The reason we want to hack it is because the only that sucks about it is the OS. It has great hardware and could be an excellent feature phone if it were programmed better. Just one thought, look at the how smooth the interface and touch movement is in the zune portion of the phone. It is much smoother than the actual OS. Basically, Microsoft did a poor job with the OS and so the hardware is not being utilized to its full potential. That is why we are trying to optimize it.
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The reason we want to hack it is because the only that sucks about it is the OS. It has great hardware and could be an excellent feature phone if it were programmed better. Just one thought, look at the how smooth the interface and touch movement is in the zune portion of the phone. It is much smoother than the actual OS. Basically, Microsoft did a poor job with the OS and so the hardware is not being utilized to its full potential. That is why we are trying to optimize it.
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exactly, the poor OS development ended up it not using its full processor potential, its like they had a deadline to make it, and they werent finished....