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I'd seen a couple of requests for fan made ads by people disappointed with Microsoft and the carrier's advertising presence, and I've seen some, well, underwhelming, wp7 commercials on TV myself, so I figured I'd try my own since I work in that field.
Check it out-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE0SNs-erz0
The music and video were all created by myself. Shot with my Canon t2i, 50mm and 85mm lens, and music recorded with Hamer, Gretsch, and Rickenbacker guitars and basses, for those interested.
Well done, mate. Looks and sounds really great.
Good job on the video, but it was 31 seconds too long.
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Good job on the video, but it was 31 seconds too long.
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For a commercial they typically like 30 seconds, but I thought it was great. Sometimes a little longer is needed to really tell a story. Well done.
I would agree you have great video production skills.
but...
too bad your efforts went to a phone that will go no where. And the features you are showcasing are features that have been around forever on the iPhone and Android devices. This is actually the problem with Windows Phones. Their ads are basically only saying that they kind of caught up. Unfortunately, they will never catch up in the number of available apps in the marketplace.
But good job on your vid dude.
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I would agree you have great video production skills.
but...
too bad your efforts went to a phone that will go no where. And the features you are showcasing are features that have been around forever on the iPhone and Android devices. This is actually the problem with Windows Phones. Their ads are basically only saying that they kind of caught up. Unfortunately, they will never catch up in the number of available apps in the marketplace.
But good job on your vid dude.
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It showcases the UI and interaction, which are much different than the other platforms. Who honestly cares about the number of apps still? Many of the "necessary" apps are already there, and many are much higher quality than on the other platforms. So long as more quality apps come along, and the ones you need are there, I think most can do without the other 299,000+ apps on the market. The needed functionality in the OS will come over time just like on the other platforms.
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It showcases the UI and interaction, which are much different than the other platforms. Who honestly cares about the number of apps still? Many of the "necessary" apps are already there, and many are much higher quality than on the other platforms. So long as more quality apps come along, and the ones you need are there, I think most can do without the other 299,000+ apps on the market. The needed functionality in the OS will come over time just like on the other platforms.
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I agree... and I shouldn't have made it sound like number of apps was most important. Because quite honestly, I think that is one of my complaints about the Android.... way too many junk apps are allowed to stay on the market. But... even though some of the WM apps are quality, there are way too many apps that you just can't get yet on WM... and unless they change that real soon, this last attempt for market share will fail.
Thanks- that's a good point; however I wanted to focus on the integration of the UI. I don't use any apps other than what is built in to the default user experience- in other words- this is something that anyone can do with WP7, and you don't need any aftermarket mods (Android) or in-app purchases (ios) to do any of it.
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This was tough to even cram into 60 seconds. My first edit was about 2 minutes along and featured a bunch of other actions like going into the pictures hub, getting directions, etc. I think it's still a bit quick as it is.
I think its great man. I think it would be funny to do the exact same video with android or iOS and show the lack of cohesiveness between apps. I just converted from Android and I could not be happier.
Nice ad. But too long to be exactly an ad.
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Very apt words.
I saw this on wpcentral or something today, VERY well done! Looks pro, and you're right, it showcases what can easily be done with the native UI. Smartphones aren't about the apps, everyone has apps. It's about the UI. Why do you think Android is number 1 now? Cause it has an "interesting" UI. Much better than Apple's rows of boring boxes (although the iPhone is a very high quality device).
The problem I think is people's rightly held mistrust of Microsoft. They occasionally hit homeruns yes, especially lately. But in the long run, they're seen as the company that has software that will fail. This ad demonstrates what was missing from the original ads; the use of the core UI. Great great job.
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I would agree you have great video production skills.
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too bad your efforts went to a phone that will go no where. And the features you are showcasing are features that have been around forever on the iPhone and Android devices. This is actually the problem with Windows Phones. Their ads are basically only saying that they kind of caught up. Unfortunately, they will never catch up in the number of available apps in the marketplace.
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I'm sorry, what is the point of this post? Do you even have a wp7?
Please take your grade-school bullsh*t to another forum. Adults are trying to talk.
Wow, I am seriously impressed! Great Editing, and a great demo of what WP7 can do without having to hit the Market.
Aren't you concerned when you showed that callers' number for all viewers to see? nice vid btw
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I agree... and I shouldn't have made it sound like number of apps was most important. Because quite honestly, I think that is one of my complaints about the Android.... way too many junk apps are allowed to stay on the market. But... even though some of the WM apps are quality, there are way too many apps that you just can't get yet on WM... and unless they change that real soon, this last attempt for market share will fail.
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how is this even close to on topic???
OP, great ad!!!
Nice ad! A lot of the official MS ads didn't really highlight the uniqueness of WP7 UI and integration capabilities. For example, uploading to Facebook is so straight forward that you don't need to switch to another app. Great work on showing 'real-life' usage. Just one thing, as kieboy said, unless that number is fake (which it doesn't look to be), you might want to edit it out.
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I would agree you have great video production skills.
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too bad your efforts went to a phone that will go no where. And the features you are showcasing are features that have been around forever on the iPhone and Android devices. This is actually the problem with Windows Phones. Their ads are basically only saying that they kind of caught up. Unfortunately, they will never catch up in the number of available apps in the marketplace.
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For someone who claims to be an expert analyst of the smartphone market, and knows that the phone isn't going anywhere, you've done a great job of missing the entire point of the ad. It wasn't really flaunting unique features, it was showing off the interaction and ease of use.
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Nice ad! A lot of the official MS ads didn't really highlight the uniqueness of WP7 UI and integration capabilities. For example, uploading to Facebook is so straight forward that you don't need to switch to another app. Great work on showing 'real-life' usage. Just one thing, as kieboy said, unless that number is fake (which it doesn't look to be), you might want to edit it out.
For someone who claims to be an expert analyst of the smartphone market, and knows that the phone isn't going anywhere, you've done a great job of missing the entire point of the ad. It wasn't really flaunting unique features, it was showing off the interaction and ease of use.
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Thanks! Yes the number is my company phone number available elsewhere on the internet, so I don't totally mind it being in there. That's not my girlfriend's number, or her real name haha
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Thanks! Yes the number is my company phone number available elsewhere on the internet, so I don't totally mind it being in there. That's not my girlfriend's number, or her real name haha
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lol that's okay then (btw, I've added your video to my blog)
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lol that's okay then (btw, I've added your video to my blog)
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Awesome thanks! I'll check it out and link people to it!
Have you read about Brandon Watson's challenge to Molly Wood? What about her first impressions? Do you feel her complaints are valid?
Please don't derail this thread into an Android/W7 argument (again!), she happens to have lots of followers and any of her criticism will resonate with many and in my opinion will help address some things faster (some things she hasn't discovered yet so try to give a her break on that).
I'm not running Mango so I'd like to hear from people who do and know if they agree with what she has to say.
http://news.cnet.com/molly-rants/
The only problem with her review is that too many of her "cons" are simply based on ignorance (and I don't mean that in a pejorative sense). She didn't know the correct way to do something on WP7, and tried to apply Android techniques. When they didn't work, she assumed that the feature was either broken or missing.
If her followers read those criticisms and assume she is right, it may prevent them from giving WP7 a fair chance on their own.
Yep. Tis already begun. Two commenters have said they won't buy based on "Molly's impressions" and "little annoyances" she's described.
Her only real beef should be with the navigation. Outside of that, she has an argument as to comparitive number of apps. Yet, she hasn't explored the marketplace thoroughly enough to actually talk about what's there. She just knows two apps she uses aren't there.
I'd give her some time with it and I'm certain she'll clear up some of the things she's already posted which are incorrect.
She will... She complained before on her podcast about not having an app for facebook chat then corrected it on her blog after she was told it's built-in. Hopefully the listeners also read the blog, otherwise some might be a lost cause already.
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I'm really glad she's made such a fuss over the navigation and I really hope Microsoft pay attention. It's bloody stupid as it is - not matter what the reasons may be (I've heard licencing issues?) Microsoft need to sort this out.
She has some other valid points, but she hasn't (as she admits) touched upon a lot of the more unique features of WP7.5
Casey
Apparently turn by turn is indeed due to licensing issues but with Nokia owning Navteq this should be sorted in Tango (hopefully) or Apollo.
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Apparently turn by turn is indeed due to licensing issues but with Nokia owning Navteq this should be sorted in Tango (hopefully) or Apollo.
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I sure hope it is, because as it now stands, you can guarantee that it will be the cause of a lot of mocking from Android users. And comments such as this one I read on the article page aren't going to help much either:
Well Molly I have to say I actually enjoy the navigation. Think about it, if everyone's satnav did this, that commercial where the guy is driving his car and his wife calls and then the satnav (which is a woman's voice, btw) goes, 'Motel is on the right' and the wife goes, 'MOTEL?!? **CLICK**' that would never happen. While I agree it is a bit of an annoyance, I like it better. And it's fun when it congratulates you. Didn't you say you like the "pretty sounds?" Well when you do something right, it makes a pretty sound. so, please don't harp on what is probably the best implementation of navigation in the history of cell phones. Also, The thing I don't like about other satnav implementations, is that they get annoying. "In 1.5mi. turn left onto Camino St. then turn left onto Avery Avenue" then .25 mi later it says nearly exactly the same thing. For me what's great about the Mango implementation is that you only have to listen to the annoying computerized lady voice when you forget what your next turn should be. That's the brilliance of the Mango implementation.
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It's one thing to defend Microsoft for having no choice but to implement the system as it is due to licensing issues, but it's quite another to try to make the absurd claim that this system is better in any way. It's not.
it wasn't a biased or negative critique. id say it was spot on, by a regular user trying to use it as a daily driver. speaking of daily driver, I had no idea navigation was so broken. ugh !
yes, ios and android are mentioned .... if you are surprised or annoyed by this, smell some coffe. ios and android are dominating the market for a few reasons, this review sheds light on them.
improve and enjoy some success microsoft !
The verdict is in, it's a 50/50. I read what she had to say and find her point about Skydrive fair. It needs to have a proper app and a desktop client with better functionality. For techies it might be fine but for an average user it's a bit of a mess.
Off to watch her video now...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-20094766-256/windows-phone-7-challenge-week-2-the-verdict/?tag=mncol;title
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The verdict is in, it's a 50/50. I read what she had to say and find her point about Skydrive fair. It needs to have a proper app and a desktop client with better functionality. For techies it might be fine but for an average user it's a bit of a mess.
Off to watch her video now...
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And also how can an average user FIND OUT that Facebook chat has an inbuilt Messenger?
Sorry guys, but this review was amature at best. If you are going to call yourself a writer, and agree to do a test drive of a device, you owe to your readers to find the correct answers to any concerns or misunderstood features of said device. This is where she failed, and this is where CNET always fails.
This is nothing more than letting your Mom or Sister borrow your phone and you then ask them for an opinion. They are not allowed to seek actual advice, from an actually knowledgeable source.
This type of review is a disservice to technology in general. That is my opinion and that is why I do not use CNET for anything important.
I agree completely. She made so many mistakes and it was obvious she didn't bother researching any of her so called problems. The majority of the stuff she said wrong was corrected in her comments which she clearly didn't read. What a joke.
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Sorry guys, but this review was amature at best. If you are going to call yourself a writer, and agree to do a test drive of a device, you owe to your readers to find the correct answers to any concerns or misunderstood features of said device. This is where she failed, and this is where CNET always fails.
This is nothing more than letting your Mom or Sister borrow your phone and you then ask them for an opinion. They are not allowed to seek actual advice, from an actually knowledgeable source.
This type of review is a disservice to technology in general. That is my opinion and that is why I do not use CNET for anything important.
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was Molly Wood ever a man ?
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was Molly Wood ever a man ?
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I dunno, but the poor girl looks 10 years older than she really is.
And a little less sex in the city marathons with a jar of burbon/jug of martini, and a little more technology knowledge would be nice. Especially for a CNET writer.
Outlook and calendar
Watching a relative of mine having the Galaxy II, then I really understand how far behind email and calendar is... I just can't believe that she couldn't see that!!!
Merging mailboxes with threaded email... Outlook, Gmail, Live and Facebook calendar all in one with different colors... even better than the pc-version
Someone should have assisted her with this... someone who understands the value of it...
All that being said maybe it also means WP7 is not as simple as we all think for an average user.
Don't get me wrong, WP7 is very simple and intuitive but if you need a manual to understand some features then it means it could be made simpler.
Maybe it's because she was coming from Android rather than say a feature phone and had expectations but the point remains. And she's right about Skydrive/Turn by Turn.
if she got final mango like everyone else, there is a nice book to help the transition. right in the programs menu. with videos and text to speech for every, single, thing.
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All that being said maybe it also means WP7 is not as simple as we all think for an average user.
Don't get me wrong, WP7 is very simple and intuitive but if you need a manual to understand some features then it means it could be made simpler.
Maybe it's because she was coming from Android rather than say a feature phone and had expectations but the point remains. And she's right about Skydrive/Turn by Turn.
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I agree.
If a person is coming from a standard phone to WP7 their impressions will be different, then those coming from another platform. I personally don't find any of the OS's easier or harder to use they're just different, with their own learning
curve. All reviewers bring their own personal bias into reviews IMO. The question is whether you think WP7 is better, not equal to other platforms. If you ask that type of question you have to take the good with the bad.
The map directions tapping is silly, MS should have known better then to even bother to include such a poorly implemented feature. If they don't have the rights to do it properly then don't do it.
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The map directions tapping is silly, MS should have known better then to even bother to include such a poorly implemented feature. If they don't have the rights to do it properly then don't do it.
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Than, they'd complain there's no default/built-in Turn by Turn Navigation. This is a no win scenario. People have to realize that MS was severely neutered by that anti-trust law suit. Now they are alot less aggressive & very careful so they are not sued again in this manor. Besides, people forget the 3rd Party apps like Garmin/etc & the fact that Nokia's map app is coming. The Mango Turn by Turn Navigation is nothing more than a way to tie people over till that comes.
Now, don't get me wrong, WP7 & Mango are far from perfect, but MS is working on it. They just posted a job listing to bring better PC/WP7 USB syncing of docs/etc.
Finally! Microsoft planning to connect Windows Phone and the desktop
Molly is supposed to be a power user btw, & she got so many things wrong in her review. I have to wonder if she even tried. It took her 2 weeks to set up WP7, it took me 2 hours tops. She must of never looked in the Office/Pictures Hub as she claims there's no Skydrive integration. Her review is nothing more than a joke. Scott Adams did a better review & he's an "average user," go figure.....
I think the only thing Molly can do now is to read up and post another review along the lines of "When I learnt how to use it" which should correct most of her errors.
Of course, as has been pointed out, if she genuinely made these errors then there must be a reason...(and I'm not going to say she's stupid).
You know back in the day I use to rely on cnet reviews in order to assist in my hardware purchases. That was a very long time ago. That being said I subscribe to Google Tech News and ran across this gem. http://news.cnet.com/8301-31322_3-20094766-256/windows-phone-7-challenge-week-2-the-verdict/?tag=mncol This is by far the most hilarious review of Windows Phone I've come across yet. I mean seriously this woman spent two weeks with the phone and got out of it what an average person may have in the first 3 hours. Absolutely priceless and comical if you regularly use this device and have a 3 digit IQ. After reading this thing I feel like a rocket scientist for being able to find my Skydrive Camera Roll in my Pictures Hub. Yes, it's that good.
P.S. - Considering there are people like this out there and dare I say they are the majority perhaps Microsoft should consider building a better introduction of features into the intial boot of the phone.
The WP7 UI is already simple and intuitive, shouldn't be really hard to use. But yeah, there should be a quick guide after phone setup since most people (including this woman) probably don't read the quick start guide first before using the product.
If you read the first part of the review, or any of her previous articles, you'll find she's actually closer to an Android power user. She is not dumb in any way.
Sorry but you can't blame the user on this one; if she couldn't find stuff in 2 weeks, it's because the OS is at fault.
well, i'm sure brandon watson wouldn't mind donating that 1k anyway
a better PR move will be to donate that 1k, after the user tried it, regardless of whether he/she likes it or not
creates positive publicity at the end
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If you read the first part of the review, or any of her previous articles, you'll find she's actually closer to an Android power user. She is not dumb in any way.
Sorry but you can't blame the user on this one; if she couldn't find stuff in 2 weeks, it's because the OS is at fault.
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Agreed.
And her comments regarding Bing Map, Turn-by-turn navigation and Skyfire are unfortunately valid.
She did note that she didn't bother search for anything. She just tried to use the phone without digging into anything.
She didn't know what the hotmail email icon was or how to turn it off.. when it is only 3 taps away.
She couldn't find facebook chat even though it is integrated into messaging.. she just didn't *look* for anything.
Her primary criticisms are completely valid, though.
1. Turn by Turn should not require user interaction after a course is set
2. speech to text should be built more into the OS instead of limited to a few basic functions
3. it is difficult to access skydrive if you're not using it to open office documents or browse pictures. There's no universal cloud access for general purposes made available in the OS.. which is also a valid complaint.
4. It's not very simple to make a playlist in the Zune player.. you can't just long press on a song or an album and add it to a playlist.. you can only generate a playlist from your "now playing" internal playlist (you can save this as a new playlist) or using SmartDJ.
Most of these things aren't a big deal to me. Thankfully there is a "how to" section included in build 7720 for new users to go over the basic functions.
It's very easy to use, imo.. and is laid out in a way that makes sense.. but the average user isn't going to find every single little feature without help.
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She did note that she didn't bother search for anything. She just tried to use the phone without digging into anything.
She didn't know what the hotmail email icon was or how to turn it off.. when it is only 3 taps away.
She couldn't find facebook chat even though it is integrated into messaging.. she just didn't *look* for anything.
Her primary criticisms are completely valid, though.
1. Turn by Turn should not require user interaction after a course is set
2. speech to text should be built more into the OS instead of limited to a few basic functions
3. it is difficult to access skydrive if you're not using it to open office documents or browse pictures. There's no universal cloud access for general purposes made available in the OS.. which is also a valid complaint.
4. It's not very simple to make a playlist in the Zune player.. you can't just long press on a song or an album and add it to a playlist.. you can only generate a playlist from your "now playing" internal playlist (you can save this as a new playlist) or using SmartDJ.
Most of these things aren't a big deal to me. Thankfully there is a "how to" section included in build 7720 for new users to go over the basic functions.
It's very easy to use, imo.. and is laid out in a way that makes sense.. but the average user isn't going to find every single little feature without help.
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This is supposed to be a professional review. As such, there is a duty to find actual answers and solutions to problems. Sure, it is ok for her to try and do things without reading or looking for help. It is not ok to end a review without providing those answers or solutions.
This is juvenile journalism. It is sad that the current level of technology journalism has regressed instead of progressed. If our current journalists were to be compared to operating systems, they would be somewhere between DOS and Windows 3.1.
Many of the things she stated, as a journalist, were simply poor observations. The statements she made about Zune Pass should make that abundantly clear. She has no clue. I don't care if she is "considered" an Android guru. Who gave her that crown? I would love to go over her Android skills, if I only had that much time. If this review is any indication of her skills, she is a hack.
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This is supposed to be a professional review. As such, there is a duty to find actual answers and solutions to problems. Sure, it is ok for her to try and do things without reading or looking for help. It is not ok to end a review without providing those answers or solutions.
This is juvenile journalism. It is sad that the current level of technology journalism has regressed instead of progressed. If our current journalists were to be compared to operating systems, they would be somewhere between DOS and Windows 3.1.
Many of the things she stated, as a journalist, were simply poor observations. The statements she made about Zune Pass should make that abundantly clear. She has no clue. I don't care if she is "considered" an Android guru. Who gave her that crown? I would love to go over her Android skills, if I only had that much time. If this review is any indication of her skills, she is a hack.
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Amen! You know this whole thing of being PC on the internet allows some pretty assnine people to become prevalent personlities in the tech scene with almost zero credibility. Just cuse some chick can find the on button on an Android device does not make her a guru.
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If you read the first part of the review, or any of her previous articles, you'll find she's actually closer to an Android power user. She is not dumb in any way.
Sorry but you can't blame the user on this one; if she couldn't find stuff in 2 weeks, it's because the OS is at fault.
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Sorry, but this is not how a professional reviewer works. One thing is claiming that some feature or functionality is not supported on the device. Another entirely different one is to say that it is indeed supported, but it is hard to find or know how to do.
It should have been her job to make sure what she can and she cannot do on the phone, and if it was too hard to find, then say so, but DO NOT say its not supported or that it cannot be done. Shame on her for this.
I doubt she used d phone for more than an hour. Hoe can u miss out on those things when ur a techie? D article is biased and no effort was put into it whatsoever.
How ever, android is more straight forward w its 'pc' like interface.. For me, I use a PC almost 10hours a day. Don't want a phone that resembles my desktop.. That's where wp7 cones in.
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wow
this is one DUMB broad
Alrighty then
I would never trust a review with a woman with such a freakishly large left shoulder.
The chip is weighting the other one down.
I'm using Mango 7720 and i never had random reboots on my hd7
I'm using my phone without rebooting for a week without any problems
In Germany we say: "Frauen und Technik" xD
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shades of OJ??
I'm reminded of a certain someone trying on a pair a gloves. He didn't *want* them to fit, so he made it difficult for them to fit, thus "proving" they didn't. Molly seems to be looking for ways to make her WP experience as disagreeable as possible. She wants it to fall short of Android, so she focuses on all the ways its not Android. She's clearly lost some credibility in my eyes.
Before I get started I want to say before I read the Engadget review I have already read reviews from cnet, and the huffington Post.
I was really shocked by the review Engadget has published for the Lumia 900. The other three professional reviews I had read had mostly praises for the phone. They all mentioned the low display resolution limitation of current WP7 devices however they also never mentioned how stunning the display actually was. The color saturation and sunlight visibility of the screen appear to be amazing. Engadget fails to mention that but instead complains about how the screen isn't tapered.
To make it even worse they started a hardware article with 2 negative comments about the phone. The screen display and build quality. before I get into the build quality All I have to say is that unless you feel the phone is absolute crap you don't do this.
However all the other reviewed from other professional organizations and AT&T representatives have raved about the great the build quality is. Even Engadget employees sent to CES and MWC raved about this, so why now call it a negative?
Engadget, I am aware you believe the WP martetplace is disappointing because it has only 70000+ apps. However it has either all the main apps you actually use or a decent alternative. The marketplace doesn't need a lot of crappy apps, see google play, it just needs to have the ones you use. Seriously, who cares about fart apps or 50 apps all doing the exact same thing
Overall I felt this review was meant to downgrade the perception of the Nokia Lumia 900. It just doesn't fall in line with anyhting else I have read. I knew they had an apple and htc fetish but I still respected most of their reviews, however that changed today with this travesty.
I am even starting to think maybe Tim Cook called them directly to make sure AT&T pays for calling any other phone other than the iPhone 4S their "flagship."
** removed th verge review. I know I read another major professional review, I thought it was the verge but I guess it was someone else.
I thought the same thing. The reviewer seemed biased (against the phone) from the start. In contrast I just read the review on WPCentral and thought it was the best and most informative Lumia 900 review yet. Interestingly enough there is a comment at the end of that review that talks about the guy at Engadget and speculates he is known for disliking anything Microsoft.
Actually Engadget review was more favorable to Lumia 900 than Verge review.
If you write Engadget on a piece of paper, then hold it in front of a mirror, and angle it just so...it will say. ... Enohpi
Verge's review was worse, watch it on youtube
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Verge's review was worse, watch it on youtube
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No doubt it was the worst review. He likes the hardware for the most part, but slams the WP7 os, giving the os a lower score than when they reviewed the 800. Just confirms to me that Topolsky really is a MS hater. Some of his complaints sound like a typical Android fanboy, classics such as 'single core cpu' and 'low resolution screen'.
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No doubt it was the worst review. He likes the hardware for the most part, but slams the WP7 os, giving the os a lower score than when they reviewed the 800. Just confirms to me that Topolsky really is a MS hater. Some of his complaints sound like a typical Android fanboy, classics such as 'single core cpu' and 'low resolution screen'.
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Just watched it and it definitely looks like he wanted to take an opportunity to say how much he doesn't like the Windows Phone OS. That's fine if he doesn't like it but shouldn't he be reviewing the phone and how it works with the OS? Definite biased review - like he really didn't even want to use the phone because it has WP on it.
Everyone has opinions, and he's entitled to his. He doesn't like it, and its his job to share his opinion. My son tried windows phone, then went back to android. He sounded like this guy. He could pick things out...this and that, and did not consider the overall experience. Thats fine. There are lots of things to love in android, and lots of things to love in Windows phone. Pick what works for you.
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I was just reading the CNET review.
One of the strange things I saw in the Engadget review was the comment, I won't fit in your pocket...or something like that. I thought that was a strange thing to say. For those obviously looking for something to hang on to..yeah...its bigger. But...the way he said it..like somebody else said...it was obvious he didn't even want to do the review.
Anyway...the CNET review uses...get this...the Cyan 900 half in, half out of the pocket. I had to laugh...scared the cat, who knocked by bowl of cereal off my desk. Which gives me just another reason to not watch ENiphoneGADGET reviews anymore.
Unfortunately, this review confirms that it has same crappy camera as Lumia 800 does. Well, that was expected, but stiil, there were some hints and i had hopes...
1orka said:
Unfortunately, this review confirms that it has same crappy camera as Lumia 800 does. Well, that was expected, but stiil, there were some hints and i had hopes...
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Actually, this review does nothing of the sort. You have a guy, who obviously does not even want to touch the phone, doing a review that searches for anything nice to say. According to him, this phone is a bottom dweller and he needs to disinfect his hands, immediately.
Thats not to say the camera is in deed good. I've heard good, I've heard bad. Persoanlly I use a camera phone for quick shots, and only 1 time in my many phones has a camera on a phone not been good enough for that...the Dell Venue Pro. Otherwise...I've been good. Of course my expectations do not include front cover Vogue shots.
The Verge review was unbelievably biased. I had hoped for more from that site after they picked up Tom Warren, but no luck. Just as lame as Engadget.
I think the worst I read was on Pocketnow. I don't event think the reviewer ever used the phone. He used a stock photo of 2 iPhones to compare the screen resolution.
With so many android phones out there, most of the sites do cater to android and apple...as they should. Most hard core android users have nothing good to say about wp or apple. Most apple users have nothing good to say about android or wp. They simply don't realize they lose their credibility by acting unbiased.
With hundreds of thousands of androids being registered everyday, I wonder why any other phone is ever going to be released.
All but the most hardcore of users fail to realize the lack of quality hardware and software wise on an android phone. Hardcore users can mod and tweek and do this and that...I used to be because they can...but now I lean towards because they have to.
I had the pleasure of working for a company that tested windows phones before the original release. I was majorly disappointed. I came to realize later that dissapointment was because my expectations were too high. I was looking for shooting stars and glitzy this and that. What MS focused on was pure reliablity. After a year I reset my expectations and the Windows Phone, IMO, is far superior than other phones. It works every time. I came back to the HD7 and Dell Venue Pro, moved to the Samsung Focus S and now on to the Lumia 900. I have not been disappointed yet. I've adjusted my expectation to the WP and use the People tab, and Messaging Hub and think of these things as the better way. My daughter just converted to the Lumia 710 from android...why....because of reliability. My son is still on android after trying WP...but he's a modder.
So I watch these reviews and laugh....every review they say this is their favorite phone ever....uh huh...why...cause their last favorite got to have android phone doesn't work any more....oh well...must be a verizon customer.
alodar1 said:
All but the most hardcore of users fail to realize the lack of quality hardware and software wise on an android phone. Hardcore users can mod and tweek and do this and that...I used to be because they can...but now I lean towards because they have to.
I had the pleasure of working for a company that tested windows phones before the original release. I was majorly disappointed. I came to realize later that dissapointment was because my expectations were too high. I was looking for shooting stars and glitzy this and that. What MS focused on was pure reliablity. After a year I reset my expectations and the Windows Phone, IMO, is far superior than other phones. It works every time.
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This time's 1000+. The majority of my friends are not tech heads. They just want their devices to work. The ones who have gone to WP7 have all said the same thing - they love it. Its quick, easy to use, and looks good. They could care less about modding or skinning their phones, or how many cores it has, how much ram, or the screen resolution.
When it comes to WP7, MS should really steal Apple's moto of 'it just works', and it works well.
I must've read 10+ reviews since they all came out last night. The overall response is positive. I think Verge and Engadget had the harshest reviews comparing apps and camera quality to the 4s and Nexus.
2 things I don't care much about. None of the bad reviews have me second guessing my decision to switch from my iPhone 4.
Can't wait till the 9th!
EMINENT1 said:
I must've read 10+ reviews since they all came out last night. The overall response is positive. I think Verge and Engadget had the harshest reviews comparing apps and camera quality to the 4s and Nexus.
2 things I don't care much about. None of the bad reviews have me second guessing my decision to switch from my iPhone 4.
Can't wait till the 9th!
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Same here on all of that!
You guys see Walt's? I had a good laugh on that one. He did Steve proud.
bmstrong said:
You guys see Walt's? I had a good laugh on that one. He did Steve proud.
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Do you have a link to check out?
watch this review guys, best yet. aaron speaks from his own personal experiance, not what people want or like to hear.
part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHXbFzZ4taY
part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBMc9qNaT8c
pretty sure im getting this phone now. he didnt complain about screen resolution and he liked it after just using the galaxy nexus for 15 days
i read somewhere Nokia is working on another patch for the camera on the 900, do any of you know if this is true? every review says the camera is "okay".. i expect more from nokia
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No doubt it was the worst review. He likes the hardware for the most part, but slams the WP7 os, giving the os a lower score than when they reviewed the 800. Just confirms to me that Topolsky really is a MS hater. Some of his complaints sound like a typical Android fanboy, classics such as 'single core cpu' and 'low resolution screen'.
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I read all of these reviews today and they really got off topic of the Device and got on the OS. So I took it upon myself to Tweet both Verge and engadget to see what the Lumia 900 has to do, to be as good as Android or iOS. The things they gripped about such as the third party apps lagging, same thing that happens on iOS and Android so that argument isnt valid. Of course I didnt get a reply from them. I agree the OS is missing some things but the device funtions well and does what its suppose to do.
And IM SICK AND TIRED of people bashing WP for not having multi Cores, if anything it should show everyone that you dont need multi cores to operate well. They tend to bash the specs but WP functions just as fast as any other OS but with lower specs. Most people dont even care about specs as long as it works well and does what its suppose to.
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watch this review guys, best yet. aaron speaks from his own personal experiance, not what people want or like to hear.
part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHXbFzZ4taY
part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBMc9qNaT8c
pretty sure im getting this phone now. he didnt complain about screen resolution and he liked it after just using the galaxy nexus for 15 days
i read somewhere Nokia is working on another patch for the camera on the 900, do any of you know if this is true? every review says the camera is "okay".. i expect more from nokia
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Thanks for posting the link to the PhoneDog review. It was definitely positive and he compared it to other phones and operating systems and based his review on the phone itself while pointing out how the WP OS works.
You guys are right that it's like TheVerge and Engadget reviewer's did as little as they could to explore around the phone and know how to use the OS. All I got from them was "The Lumia 900 is a nice phone but man do we hate this OS. So we overall the score is a 5 out of 10". I can't believe they get paid to be lazy.
i understand the concept started in 2017, but for longevity and support, it really should have started with full Treble support.
maybe a few more rounds of hardware design refinement first (like proper usb-c compatibility and complete standard mobile feature set, maybe camera that can swivel front to back if they only put in one, and some way to use the touchscreen without opening the clamshell like maybe i dunno a slider style instead?)
and software refinement (like not including the MTKlogger spyware the FTC scolded BLU and ADUPS about earlier this month) but they get awesome points for their releasing source codes so quickly unlike the usual suspects, and even more bonus points for the linux dual boot as well.
this is all based on the reviews. (edit: and forum posts by users at oesf)
anyway, i'm looking forward to the next gen version of this to replace my CM KK Relay slider finally.
jmichael2497 said:
i understand the concept started in 2017, but for longevity and support, it really should have started with full Treble support.
maybe a few more rounds of hardware design refinement first (like proper usb-c compatibility and complete standard mobile feature set, maybe camera that can swivel front to back if they only put in one, and some way to use the touchscreen without opening the clamshell like maybe i dunno a slider style instead?)
and software refinement (like not including the MTKlogger spyware the FTC scolded BLU and ADUPS about earlier this month) but they get awesome points for their releasing source codes so quickly unlike the usual suspects, and even more bonus points for the linux dual boot as well.
this is all based on the reviews.
anyway, i'm looking forward to the next gen version of this to replace my CM KK Relay slider finally.
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Maybe you should, ummm, try it before jumping to conclusions like you just did. It's a great device.
dimex said:
Maybe you should, ummm, try it before jumping to conclusions like you just did. It's a great device.
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:laugh: that saying does not apply in this situation.
i've already looked through many pictures, read through multiple reviews across the web, read forum posts (here and oesf which has a running list of known issues) from people who have used the product.
basic science: "does it replicate? yes".
anyone that has done sufficient research on a topic will find that others have already performed the same studies and reached the same conclusions, so no need to repeat the process as it has already been verified.
anyway, back to waiting for the next gen version with the first round awkwardness worked out.
meanwhile, the "gpd win 2" that kept getting mentioned in comparison (though not android mobile device) seems kinda interesting. hopefully a "gemini 2" is a similarly notable improvement compared to the first as i'm much more a fan of Sliderrrsss.
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:laugh: that saying does not apply in this situation.
i've already looked through many pictures, read through multiple reviews across the web, read forum posts (here and oesf which has a running list of known issues) from people who have used the product.
basic science: "does it replicate? yes".
anyone that has done sufficient research on a topic will find that others have already performed the same studies and reached the same conclusions, so no need to repeat the process as it has already been verified.
anyway, back to waiting for the next gen version with the first round awkwardness worked out.
meanwhile, the "gpd win 2" that kept getting mentioned in comparison (though not android mobile device) seems kinda interesting. hopefully a "gemini 2" is a similarly notable improvement compared to the first as i'm much more a fan of Sliderrrsss.
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Boy, you sure are a...douche
The GPD Pocket and Win2 are complete crap compared to the Gemini. I couldn't even browse the internet without major slowdowns and stuttering on the Pocket. The CPU is simply too underpowered for anything legitimate.
You're the expert though, keep holding out for the next gen sweetheart.
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Boy, you sure are a...douche
The GPD Pocket and Win2 are complete crap compared to the Gemini. I couldn't even browse the internet without major slowdowns and stuttering on the Pocket. The CPU is simply too underpowered for anything legitimate.
You're the expert though, keep holding out for the next gen sweetheart.
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y u mad bro? insert actually applicable saying about insults being the refuge of etc.
it is generally considered common for most tech to not get things perfect on the first iteration, instead pushing alpha or beta quality something out the door that people can see, to get more money, research, field testing, and do it better the next time.
(this is why mission critical businesses tend towards the "i'll wait for sp1 to come out before upgrading the OS" mindset exists)
so if you were personally involved in the production of the device and decided to take offense, then i'm super sorry if your feelings got hurt. but you seem to be in a grumpy mood so i hope you have a good rest of your day though :fingers-crossed:
anyway, i'm gonna point the Relay users to keep an eye on this company, since they look likely to produce a promising mobile replacement (unlike the "gpd win 2", which is the only gpd device i mentioned, as i already stated is not a comparable mobile product, like apples to oranges, laptops to mobiles lolz).
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jmichael2497 said:
y u mad bro? insert actually applicable saying about insults being the refuge of etc.
it is generally considered common for most tech to not get things perfect on the first iteration, instead pushing alpha or beta quality something out the door that people can see, to get more money, research, field testing, and do it better the next time.
(this is why mission critical businesses tend towards the "i'll wait for sp1 to come out before upgrading the OS" mindset exists)
so if you were personally involved in the production of the device and decided to take offense, then i'm super sorry if your feelings got hurt. but you seem to be in a grumpy mood so i hope you have a good rest of your day though :fingers-crossed:
anyway, i'm gonna point the Relay users to keep an eye on this company, since they look likely to produce a promising mobile replacement (unlike the "gps win 2", which is the only gps device i mentioned, as i already stated is not a comparable mobile product, like apples to oranges, laptops to mobiles lolz).
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Like I said, you are the authority on technology. "Keep an eye on this company" everyone, jmichael2497 with 4 posts wants you to.
dimex said:
Like I said, you are the authority on technology. "Keep an eye on this company" everyone, jmichael2497 with 4 posts wants you to.
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quality over quantity, usefulness over post count
:laugh: it is easy enough to read information without adding comment noise like +1 and "me too bro"... like reading a library book without scribbling in the margins (plus it helps avoid "typical internet comments" like yours that discourage intelligent discourse).
"Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something." - Plato
anyway, enough troll feeding (you must be getting so full it is hard for you to read my post count isn't 4 :silly: ).
Possibly one of the dumbest threads I've seen on XDA in a long time.
Sess said:
Possibly one of the dumbest threads I've seen on XDA in a long time.
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Gotta love fools with 8 posts and no experience with a device to come in and give expert commentary.