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HD7 or MyTouch?

I'm on T-Mobile USA and these two devices are both coming out next month. I've had (and loved) Android since the HTC Magic came out last year. I love the MyTouch for it's FFC and the newest gen procs. However, I'm pretty drawn to the HD7 for it's new OS and large SLCD, however disappointed in lack of FFC (regardless of how little I would realistically use it), and it's first gen procs. It's got the same "guts" as my N1, but it's runs so well from the demos I've seen this week.
Anyone else out there with the same dilemma? Which is better?
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sort of, it has the adreno 205 gpu on it.

predator290 said:
sort of, it has the adreno 205 gpu on it.
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I know the myTouch has it. Are you referring to the HD7? Because if you are and it's true, I think I found my next phone
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hmarcus said:
I'm on T-Mobile USA and these two devices are both coming out next month. I've had (and loved) Android since the HTC Magic came out last year. I love the MyTouch for it's FFC and the newest gen procs. However, I'm pretty drawn to the HD7 for it's new OS and large SLCD, however disappointed in lack of FFC (regardless of how little I would realistically use it), and it's first gen procs. It's got the same "guts" as my N1, but it's runs so well from the demos I've seen this week.
Anyone else out there with the same dilemma? Which is better?
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I am in the same boat as you. I have a nexus one and have loved it, but I am really liking WP7 so far. I believe that with such high minimum specs, the OS will see some nice apps and games in the near future.
I am about 90% sure that I am going to switch, I just have to decide between the HD7 and the Dell pro slide phone.

according to a couple sources the hd7 uses the msm8250 which has the adreno 205 gpu on it. same one as the g2.

diablos991 said:
I am in the same boat as you. I have a nexus one and have loved it, but I am really liking WP7 so far. I believe that with such high minimum specs, the OS will see some nice apps and games in the near future.
I am about 90% sure that I am going to switch, I just have to decide between the HD7 and the Dell pro slide phone.
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Ya the XBL game demos were nice. This and the Zune integration is what draws me to the platform. Since I have an N1 now I haven't been too concerned about updates, however MS will be starting on top of all that is great.
As far as the Dell; I love everything about it especially the gorilla glass, it's just that KB doesn't look like it's worth the added weight and thickness to the phone. However I saw a sign of a FFC on the Dell unbranded VP so that could be interesting.
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There are alot of information flying about.
Someone contacted HTC asking what processor, and was told the MSM processor, though, Microsofts webpage states QSD8250.
Someone else contacted HTC about the screen, and was told it had a standard TFT screen (Slashgear also states this).
At the end of the day, whether or not the myTouch will have a superior CPU doesn't matter by the fact that it runs android, games are written to be compatible with low end android sets, meaning if the myTouch had a tegra, games would still look crap.
The Galaxy S is a good example. It's GPU pushes about 80million triangles per sec, compare this with iPhone4's 28million.... now show me ANY game on Android that looks better than that on iOS? And the thing is I highly doubt there are much, if any, games on iOS that use half of its power. (Epic citadel and an upcoming iOS game called Aralon shows off what the 3GS/iPhone4/iPad can do. Not sure how much triangles/poylgons its pushing tho).
The Adreno200 pushes about 22million, which isn't a big difference compared with the iPhone, so games would be comparable.
There is a rumour that Android 3.0 will bring in minimum hardware requirements to reduce fragmentation, we'll see.

Cruzer1 said:
There are alot of information flying about.
Someone contacted HTC asking what processor, and was told the MSM processor, though, Microsofts webpage states QSD8250.
Someone else contacted HTC about the screen, and was told it had a standard TFT screen (Slashgear also states this).
At the end of the day, whether or not the myTouch will have a superior CPU doesn't matter by the fact that it runs android, games are written to be compatible with low end android sets, meaning if the myTouch had a tegra, games would still look crap.
The Galaxy S is a good example. It's GPU pushes about 80million triangles per sec, compare this with iPhone4's 28million.... now show me ANY game on Android that looks better than that on iOS? And the thing is I highly doubt there are much, if any, games on iOS that use half of its power. (Epic citadel and an upcoming iOS game called Aralon shows off what the 3GS/iPhone4/iPad can do. Not sure how much triangles/poylgons its pushing tho).
The Adreno200 pushes about 22million, which isn't a big difference compared with the iPhone, so games would be comparable.
There is a rumour that Android 3.0 will bring in minimum hardware requirements to reduce fragmentation, we'll see.
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Very true, while I like to think of myself as an HTC/Android fanboy, however I always have to lend Android its faults. Gaming and media are huge and Android more or less fails in these areas. Games are horrid, though Angry Birds is always fun. Games just don't look finished or just look like the crappy 2005 Java versions on like a Moto RAZR. In fact, looking at my apps on my N1, almost all of them are apps just to make my phone run smoother or look better ie setCPU, LCD density changer, ASTRO, Ti Backup etc. That's not to say I don't like games, it's just that there's not too great of a collection when you compare to iOS or the upcoming games for WP7.
And if the HD7 has the G2's proc and an SLCD screen like the Desire HD, it will be even more amazing in my eyes. All I'd want is HSPA+, however, that part is MS's fault.

hmarcus said:
Ya the XBL game demos were nice. This and the Zune integration is what draws me to the platform. Since I have an N1 now I haven't been too concerned about updates, however MS will be starting on top of all that is great.
As far as the Dell; I love everything about it especially the gorilla glass, it's just that KB doesn't look like it's worth the added weight and thickness to the phone. However I saw a sign of a FFC on the Dell unbranded VP so that could be interesting.
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The only concerns I have with the dell is the keyboard quality and thickness. I would have to hold the unit and play around with it first. I really hope that the Hd7 has the updated processor, but I really doubt it will.
All will be revealed soon though.

Same issue with me, I have loved Android for a while now, however WP7 looks so attractive, HSPA+ is not an issue because:
1. My area doesn't have HSPA+
2. T-Mobile states that all devices running standard 3g will also notice a significant improvement to their speeds as well, which is great as well
Really I made up my mind on the HD7, I saw the apps on the zune market and a lot of em weren't that great, however I know I have to wait... I see though that the WP7 marketplace has increased in apps, so I think I might just get the HD7, or try both devices.

I would go with the HD7. Try something new and the games are WP7 are fantastic.
It definitely has its shortcomings, but the most important ones are coming.

Why Windows Phone 7 doesn't desperately need more powerful devices this year

I take no credit for this, ita a great article i came across that made the most sense in a while related to hardware :
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...erately-need-more-powerful-devices-this-year/
As you have probably already noticed I was at Mobile World Congress this week so I had the opportunity to play around with some of the latest and most powerful handsets ever created. This year was obviously dominated by Google’s Android platform which took center stage at the convention with essentially every OEMs demonstrating or unveiling products running the immensely successful OS. What does it have to do with Windows Phone 7 hardware ? Well if there’s one thing that really garbed my attention it is the fact that not a single Android device I played with was as snappy and smooth as the Samsung Omnia 7 device I had in my pocket (or any iPhone model). Yes some of the devices on display were running non finalized software and probably hardware too but this has already been the case with retail devices like the Galaxy S and Desire HD which feature more powerful hardware than all the currently released WP7 devices.
I will repeat what I have been saying for a while: Android is the new Windows Mobile. OEMs want to differentiate their the products and one of the best way to do this is to use the latest and greatest chipsets, screen technology or other fancy hardware components. But as an end user, why should I care about the newest Exynos 4210, TI OMAP 4430, Tegra 2 if it can’t provide me with the same user experience as the now nearly 3 years old QSD8250 found in my Windows Phone 7 device? Similar to the old Windows Mobile days; OEMs are using Android’s “openness” as a test bed for their new CPUs and chipsets and are pumping out devices with crazy hardware specifications to show themselves in the press and sell device purely based on check list features: Dual-Core CPU ? Check. XX Mpix camera ? Check. 3D Cameras? Check. Huge Screen? Check etc. The issue here is that device manufacturers are more interested in time to market so optimizing the software to work with the hardware is just an afterthought. It’s not Google’s job to code the driver for the Samsung Exynos or for TI’s OMAP4. Google doesn’t even want to get the browser to use GPU acceleration for smoother scrolling and panning so the device manufacturers shouldn’t even count on the big G to give them any kind meaningful help in this department (Samsung has apparently implemented GPU acceleration to the browser in some unreleased Galaxy S firmware builds).
HTC has apparently learned the lesson a long time ago and has instead decided to milk the same SoC for while and instead just improve it’s Sense software layer every time it releases a new batch of devices. The end user is in both cases being presented with less than optimal solutions / offerings: On one hand you have new hardware that goes totally unused (Samsung, LG) and on the other you are buying exactly the same hardware but with an updated software layer (HTC).
Now let’s go back to Windows Phone 7 for minute. Take a Google Nexus One/ HTC Desire and compare it to the similarly speced WP7 devices. Which one is the snappiest and offers the smoothest UX? Same for the HTC HD2 running WM6.5 compared to the same device running Windows Phone 7. Microsoft has several big advantage with WP7 compared to Android. First, the have enforced strict HW guidelines and are currently only supporting Qualcomm’s Snapdragon SoCs and their Adreno GPUs. Secondly the Adreno GPUs are closely related to the Xenos GPU found in the Xbox360 so the company was already quite a bit familiar with architecture. Thirdly they control the APIs (Direct3D Mobile through DXGI and probably Direct2D for IE9 Mobile) unlike Android which relies on OpenGL ES and the drivers developed by the chipset manufacturers. The Windows Phone 7 ecosystem is like a console ecosystem with one set of drivers and APIs all controlled and certified by Microsoft while Android is more like a PC ecosystem filled with tons of different hardware configurations, driver versions controlled by nobody (Qualcomm even told me that OEMs don’t really bother including the latest drivers in the devices just because they are more concerned by the shipping date of the handset than with the end user experience. For example, as of right now the SE Xperia Play is the Android handset that has the latest Adreno 205 drivers).
Who would have thought that Microsoft would be able to easily port IE9 (which requires a DX10 GPU on the desktop) to Windows Phone 7 which only runs on a relatively old Adreno 200 GPU (DX9 capable) ins such a short time? Now take a look at the current state of the Webkit on Android: Yes it’s blazing fast at loading web pages on those super powerful handsets but after that the UX is simply anticlimactic because of the lack of HW acceleration. This is supposed to be fixed in Honeycomb on the tablets right? But where’s the smartphone version? From what I have seen at MWC the touch responsiveness of the Android 3.0 tablets varies greatly from one device maker to another. So once again Google’s lack of control of the hardware and drivers is going to hurt the end user.
This is not to say that Windows Phone 7 should be stuck with the current QSD8250. New high-end WP7 devices are going to be announced later this year because technology evolves at a rapid pace and Microsoft will obviously want to support higher resolution screens and video formats (and yes they are working on new Chassis but the Nokia partnership which was decided only last Thursday changed some of the plans), more graphically intensive 3D games and applications but the point here is that they are in no rush to do this because they can squeeze a lot more out of the first generation Snapdragon SoC than what is possible with Android. Everything I just said so far also applies to Apple’s iPhone which is quite similar to Windows Phone 7 and I personally think that there’s no need for Apple to switch to a dual-core SoC for the upcoming iPhone 5 given that the A4 is still powerful enough for 99% of the tasks (but if they do then you can be sure that they will have the software to take advantage of it). Android is obviously a really great OS that I enjoy using it on a daily basis thanks to all the features it supports but Google should really stop the madness and take over control of what should or shouldn’t be done on the platform. OEMs are loving it right now because they are free to do whatever they see fit but I really think that it will hurt the platform in the long run when people start to realise that they paying for hardware that most of the time isn’t used all or just paying for a software update (HTC..).
What Windows Phone 7 is in desperate need of is software updates filled with differentiating features and thrid-party access to more APIs so they developers can create more exciting and advanced applications.
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Pretty much the facts.... I mean that is just an astounding article... spot on.

As an Android user who is otherwise impartial to OS wars, I wholeheartedly agree. For months now, I've been telling people that Android reminds me of the old Windows Mobile. Every WM7 device I have ever played with has exhibited exemplary smoothness and snappyness compared to any Android handset you care to name. It's a shame because Android is really good otherwise.
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IMO, although it would be nice to have, WP7 doesnt have to go overboard like Android is doing when it comes to specs as to dual core cpu's, 3d displays and such. I believe that they should improve hardware based on features such as front facing camera to add video chat functinality, perhaps a video output via 3.5mm jack (since requiring hdmi might be pushing it a little across all oem's) etc.
Im positive that if they bump up the cpu to support at least second gen snapdragon with its 45nm architecture, improved 205 Adreno GPU and much faster clock per clock compared to first gen, i have no doubt that besides the inmensly graphical stressing situations, WP7 would run circles round any dual core Android device since it being used to its full potential and proper optimization and drivers makes it not have a elephant on its back to carry

I think it is a given that we will eventually see more powerful Qualcomm SoCs show up in WP7 devices, and possibly other manufacturers' SoCs. This generation might become the "budget" chassis in 2012...Who knows?
What I do like, and want it to remain the same, is the fact that Microsoft needs to certify whatever hardware specs is used, so when updates are pushed out, Microsoft wouldn't need to run to each manufacturer and ask for drivers...

I'm sold where can I buy one? I kid, I kid. I have a Focus.
One thing is for sure, the overall opinion of the phone UI is excellent for all the listed reasons. Thanks for the post.
I compare this current experience to my experience with Windows 7 rc. Much like the day I installed Windows 7 to my lowly Dual Core (e2150, 2gb, 7200 HDD), it was good but not great in terms of speed, quick but not fast. Then, the cycle moved on and new hardware at low prices came into my life...
Now at Quad Core, 8 gb, Dual GPU, SSD, it is like driving a Buggati Veyron, downhill, on a 5 lane speedway, with no traffic. Life is instantaneous, the only limit...my ability to click as fast as it acts. ha! It happens as if I had on a thinking helmet and it sucked the idea out of my head!
I can only imagine wp7 on the set of phones that will come out...8 months...1 to 2 years from today...oh yeaaaaaa
close your eyes, think about it. Did you think about it? Think again, that's right. Amazing.
Wasn't that nice? Ahhhh yeaaaaaa
With dual core and a 2x faster GPU...oh my...it will get smoother and faster...hard to imagine and exciting at the same time. :splooge:
All in due time, I am happy with my phone today and happily have put my development time into other projects and not Wm6.5. Like this one from Johnny http://hackaday.com/2011/02/09/low-cost-video-chat-robot/

The current WP7 devices are fine. Just make sure you get one with 16G Storage and 512+ RAM or hope you're gonna be lucky enough to find a big SD Card that works well the first time. Data loss due to a bad/incompatible SD Card months down the line is... Unfun!
I want my next phone to have the IBM Watson OS

I don't really expect to see WP7 handsets with faster processors. It isn't needed. Every app or game being made will be aiming for a certain minimum standard.
I do see improvements coming in extra features (like a front facing camera). And I do expect to see handsets with more and more memory.
If the end of 2011 brought WP7 devices with the current processor, but also offered 768 MB RAM, 32 GB storage and a front facing camera, that would be one hell of a competitive device.
Then in the holiday of 2012 we could see WP8 push the hardware limits by launching with some really high minimum specs. But at the same time, still support WP7 for "budget" handsets.

They need sexier devices. I must admit the three buttons on the front do look classy.

Reflexx1 said:
I don't really expect to see WP7 handsets with faster processors. It isn't needed. Every app or game being made will be aiming for a certain minimum standard.
I do see improvements coming in extra features (like a front facing camera). And I do expect to see handsets with more and more memory.
If the end of 2011 brought WP7 devices with the current processor, but also offered 768 MB RAM, 32 GB storage and a front facing camera, that would be one hell of a competitive device.
Then in the holiday of 2012 we could see WP8 push the hardware limits by launching with some really high minimum specs. But at the same time, still support WP7 for "budget" handsets.
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The minimum specs must be maintained and they must be maintained at a level that ensures user experience will not be compromised for people who bought launch devices. In the holiday season of 2012 people will still be stuck on contract with current devices, probably for months to come.
All of a sudden apps will be updated in a way that their phones will choke running these apps.
Just upping the minimum specs because you think it sounds cute is a dumb idea. I doubt Microsoft will do it, and if they do, people will sort of laugh at them and they will lose a ton of customers. By then RIM will have QNX Blackberries and WebOS may be well-developed. There will be even more choices than we have today...
They really have to take an "Apple" approach to hardware support, IMO. It's the only thing that makes sense sort of overspeccing your devices and enticing a bunch of geeks to upgrade their phones every year for major software updates/bug fixes every 9 months to a year.

Yeah but is it partially due to room? I mean, Sense ROMs running slower than the cleaned up and simpler AOSP ROMs? I get the lack of acceleration ... a d understand the end result and why people might complain ... but my phone is snappy even though at times I notice slow down .. but that is hardly reason to ignore stability updates, even others. I mean , while my phone might be running smooth here ... it may slow down there. I see the choppy scroll .. but I've seen friends WP7 - uh, phones? - slow down at times too.
I get sick of this WP7 is constantly butter because its not. More often than not? Sure. But I rarely get agitated at the speed of mu device and most don't either ... sure I can see it, but I've also seen my.phone jump as much as my friends WP7 devices. It all depends. Overall, sure ... but it still doesnt touch iOS. To think you are major steps ahead is hype. More overhead here .... lack of acceleration here ... it's not shocking when you think about it. Android uses more resources and overhead ... you have such q standardized system. Its almost not surprising. And it's NOT suggestive of you being "good" at the moment.
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That's a great article. I agree 100%. I had a Samsung Galaxy S and with it's freshest time it had the most powerful chips int the markets, but even today it is not lag free, because of crappy Samsung optimizations to the software. That's why I really don't believe the new Galaxy S II will be any better with it's dual core. You could see it from the videos, that it's laggy at the moment and I don't believe Samsung will get it lag free ever.

fast hardware = bad ?
this smacks of hardware envy something terrible.
surrrrre, android + quad cores will suck... but wp8 will be perfect. whatever, if ever.

N8ter said:
The current WP7 devices are fine. Just make sure you get one with 16G Storage and 512+ RAM or hope you're gonna be lucky enough to find a big SD Card that works well the first time. Data loss due to a bad/incompatible SD Card months down the line is... Unfun!
I want my next phone to have the IBM Watson OS
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Why is 512+ RAM important, I was thing about getting the HTC 7 Pro, which only has 448 RAM and also is 16gb necessary if I don't use my phone as a media player as HTC 7 Pro only has 8gb as well?

Beesneazy, you're either completely full of crap or just delusional. I mean wow. Android fanboyism at its ugliest. Yeesh.
Ohgood, did you read the article? If you did, perhaps it's time to go back to Hooked on Phonics to work on word comprehension...
Anyhow, on topic, I completely agree with the article posted by OP. Kiddies like these Android fanboys love to deny the truth but it is what it is. Did everyone really think Microsoft would just sit back and be pummeled in the mobile phone market forever? With the right moves in the future WP7 will be huge. Maybe knock Android back down to third or fourth place and setup a head to head with iOS...
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this smacks of hardware envy something terrible.
surrrrre, android + quad cores will suck... but wp8 will be perfect. whatever, if ever.
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Yes, and when you get your quad core phones that are still lagging, and still dont recieve the latest updates, and are still running a version of android that is essentially a pallet swap of 2.1 and still looks like a low end iphone we'll be happy with our maybe dual or maybe quad-core phones that run smoother, have better games (because aside from iphone ports and maybe 1-2 other games androids selection is just terrible), have a decent media player, have oustanding integration with business and personal matters, and we'll actually have a NEW OS not just an overhyped pallet swap of the previous version.

Fact WP7 will never catch Android or IOS.
Sure WP7 is nice. Serious competitor, nope.
Think realistic and remove your love affair. Maybe WP7 can be 5th place or if things go well 4th place.
Now flame on.

N8ter said:
The minimum specs must be maintained and they must be maintained at a level that ensures user experience will not be compromised for people who bought launch devices. In the holiday season of 2012 people will still be stuck on contract with current devices, probably for months to come.
All of a sudden apps will be updated in a way that their phones will choke running these apps.
Just upping the minimum specs because you think it sounds cute is a dumb idea. I doubt Microsoft will do it, and if they do, people will sort of laugh at them and they will lose a ton of customers. By then RIM will have QNX Blackberries and WebOS may be well-developed. There will be even more choices than we have today...
They really have to take an "Apple" approach to hardware support, IMO. It's the only thing that makes sense sort of overspeccing your devices and enticing a bunch of geeks to upgrade their phones every year for major software updates/bug fixes every 9 months to a year.
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I'm not sure what you're attempting to address when you quoted me. I never mentioned changing the minimum specs of WP7.
And I think it's pretty much guaranteed that WP8 will have a completely different set of minimum specs. Do you expect it to never change?

vetvito said:
They need sexier devices. I must admit the three buttons on the front do look classy.
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Exactly! I agree they don't need more powerful devices but they do need more appealing hardware (for a start a 32GB device would do no harm).
vetvito said:
Fact WP7 will never catch Android or IOS.
Sure WP7 is nice. Serious competitor, nope.
Think realistic and remove your love affair. Maybe WP7 can be 5th place or if things go well 4th place.
Now flame on.
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Sad but true. WP7 is quite late and if you think about it the real launch will be with Nokia, I doubt they'll sell anything before that as nothing has changed since October.

vetvito said:
Fact WP7 will never catch Android or IOS.
Sure WP7 is nice. Serious competitor, nope.
Think realistic and remove your love affair. Maybe WP7 can be 5th place or if things go well 4th place.
Now flame on.
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this is true only because the majority of cellphone owners are complete morons.

Nokia 900 "Hydra" rumored to have dual-core CPU, Q1 2012 release date

Hey guys this is Saad from Windows Phone Daily,
I thought I'd share this on here since it doesn't look like any of the bigger WP7 sites have picked up on this yet.
A Nokia 900 "Hydra" just leaked from Daily Mobile Forum and it has some really impressive specs: a 4" CBD AMOLED, 1.5 GHz dual-core(!) processor, 720p display, 12MP Carl Zeiss camera, 1080p video recording, and new "swipe gestures" in the OS (maybe something like Windows 8).
More details can be found in our article: http://www.windowsphonedaily.com/2011/10/rumor-nokia-900-hydra-packs-dual-core.html
aaaand here's the original source: http://forum.dailymobile.se/index.php?topic=52961.0
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too good to be true, but hey

The fact that it claims to have "720p screen resolution" is proof enough that this is not real.

Well there's fake, and then there's this.

First of all the resolution. 720p screen resolution would be a direct violation against all of Microsoft's chassis specifications. The resolution is limited to 800x480 for a reason, to make it easier for developers. If this were true Microsoft would be on the very slippery slope of fragmentation.
To clarify: The platform is currently designed for one resolution and that resolution only. More or less the only possible way to continue from this is screens with the resolution 1600x960, exactly doubled on both sides. This was the way that Apple upgraded the screen between iPhone 3G(S) and iPhone 4 and it was for a very good reason: To keep app compability. If Microsoft were to allow a new resolution almost all apps would need a patch for that new resolution. Would Microsoft kill a majority of their Marketplace? no.
None of the current chassis specifications define any support for a Dual Core processor, so that is not likely at this time, maybe next update.
"Dedicated graphic adapter" sounds a bit fishy. It sounds to a reference to a dedicated GPU chip as opposed to todays SoC chips where everything is integrated on one chip. I'm not an expert in the area but it certainly sounds strange that someone suddenly would design a chip very differently from everyone else.
4 Sterophonic loudspeakers. I think that this certainly sounds strange, not sure what they mean with that.
USB 3.0 and NFC doesn't feel very likely. On the other hand Nokia is able to do this with the special privileges Microsoft gave them. I'm not as certain on this one as the others.
Also, don't you all think that the picture doesn't look very professionally done?
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This was up almost two months ago and a whole load of unresponsible news sites did write the news like this was a fact, absolutely disregarding how obviously fake it is.

Why wont apps be compatible with different resolutions? On Android they work well regardless of what resolution. Whats different in WP?

Sir. Haxalot said:
First of all the resolution. 720p screen resolution would be a direct violation against all of Microsoft's chassis specifications. The resolution is limited to 800x480 for a reason, to make it easier for developers. If this were true Microsoft would be on the very slippery slope of fragmentation.
To clarify: The platform is currently designed for one resolution and that resolution only. More or less the only possible way to continue from this is screens with the resolution 1600x960, exactly doubled on both sides. This was the way that Apple upgraded the screen between iPhone 3G(S) and iPhone 4 and it was for a very good reason: To keep app compability. If Microsoft were to allow a new resolution almost all apps would need a patch for that new resolution. Would Microsoft kill a majority of their Marketplace? no.
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Actually, 1200x720 would be a 1.5X increase, so this would work too. The OS could take care of resizing/resampling of graphics resources, while text rendering would automatically be improved. Devs could also upgrade their apps by adding higher-res resources, but it wouldn't break compatibility with older phones. Apple needed to double things because 3GS and older phones had incredibly crappy low-res screens.
I'm sure this will happen anyway, but I doubt that's what MS and OEMs have in mind until the next big update, and I don't think it'll happen in Q1.
On the contrary, judging by the leaks, the next update will be all about decreasing price.

Interesting how the back and search buttons are missing too. Also, the technical specification seems to include a price.
Looks like the picture was drawn by a kid

If true this may be my next device

Almost no bezel at the corners? No way, that looks fake as hell. The only specs I'm really interested now are expendable memory and screen resolution. And a bit more RAM for extended multi-tasking, maybe.

I can't believe people are actually conversing about this trash.
I also can't believe I typed this reply.
And screen resolution doesn't matter in WP7 as the OS uses a scalar. Things would be automatically upscaled. It's why the phone's UI performs well on the launch specs. The resources the phone displays is actually lower resolution that you'd assume they are. iOS doesn't use a scalar so resources have to be appropriately scaled for the display resolution. That's why developers needed to update for iOS5 and develop new iPad apps. Android is similar.

N8ter said:
I can't believe people are actually conversing about this trash.
I also can't believe I typed this reply.
And screen resolution doesn't matter in WP7 as the OS uses a scalar. Things would be automatically upscaled. It's why the phone's UI performs well on the launch specs. The resources the phone displays is actually lower resolution that you'd assume they are. iOS doesn't use a scalar so resources have to be appropriately scaled for the display resolution. That's why developers needed to update for iOS5 and develop new iPad apps. Android is similar.
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I don't know what you are talking about. I've looked into a Dumped ROM & extracted the PNG's from the DLL's & they are full size. They are NOT low res images scaled up. If they were, they'd look blurry like early WVGA Titanium Themes that were just edited WQVGA CPR's with no changes to the graphics. The Tiles & Icons are 173x173/62 x 62 pixels. That is full size. The 1st Part Tiles & Icons are a bit smaller only because they are just the Icons inside the Tiles, not the whole Tile like for 3rd Party apps. Developers have been making their Tiles cheaply. You'll notice the Tile image is called Background, meaning it's the background of the Tile Image & there should be a separate Tile Icon that goes "over" it.
To get back on topic, I highly doubt this is real as per resolution unless MS actually gave Nokia special permissions to edit the UIB/UIX files. They are pretty much like the CPR's of Titanium, just compiled so we can't edit them ourselves yet. We have no tools to decompile/recompile them.

Wouldn't be as unbelievable if this was a Q3 device (though, ideally we'll have faster by then), but a Q1? Naaaah

Nearly every spec isn't supported. Fake.

Sir. Haxalot said:
First of all the resolution. 720p screen resolution would be a direct violation against all of Microsoft's chassis specifications. The resolution is limited to 800x480 for a reason, to make it easier for developers. If this were true Microsoft would be on the very slippery slope of fragmentation.
To clarify: The platform is currently designed for one resolution and that resolution only. More or less the only possible way to continue from this is screens with the resolution 1600x960, exactly doubled on both sides. This was the way that Apple upgraded the screen between iPhone 3G(S) and iPhone 4 and it was for a very good reason: To keep app compability. If Microsoft were to allow a new resolution almost all apps would need a patch for that new resolution. Would Microsoft kill a majority of their Marketplace? no.
None of the current chassis specifications define any support for a Dual Core processor, so that is not likely at this time, maybe next update.
"Dedicated graphic adapter" sounds a bit fishy. It sounds to a reference to a dedicated GPU chip as opposed to todays SoC chips where everything is integrated on one chip. I'm not an expert in the area but it certainly sounds strange that someone suddenly would design a chip very differently from everyone else.
4 Sterophonic loudspeakers. I think that this certainly sounds strange, not sure what they mean with that.
USB 3.0 and NFC doesn't feel very likely. On the other hand Nokia is able to do this with the special privileges Microsoft gave them. I'm not as certain on this one as the others.
Also, don't you all think that the picture doesn't look very professionally done?
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This was up almost two months ago and a whole load of unresponsible news sites did write the news like this was a fact, absolutely disregarding how obviously fake it is.
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Wow you're really out to get me Sir. Haxalot!
I am aware that this is from August, and I apologize for reporting on it as though it was new. However, this is not "obviously fake". Like I said in the article and my reply to you in the comments section, it is very likely that these specs will be introduced in the future. There's no reason why you can rule that out, unless you're Microsoft's lead Windows Phone manager.
It is a rumor and yes there are some things that do stretch the limits of reality--mostly the Q1 release which is completely ridiculous. BUT Nokia hasn't denied it and Microsoft hasn't denied it, so until then I will report on it.

OGCF said:
Wow you're really out to get me Sir. Haxalot!
I am aware that this is from August, and I apologize for reporting on it as though it was new. However, this is not "obviously fake". Like I said in the article and my reply to you in the comments section, it is very likely that these specs will be introduced in the future. There's no reason why you can rule that out, unless you're Microsoft's lead Windows Phone manager.
It is a rumor and yes there are some things that do stretch the limits of reality--mostly the Q1 release which is completely ridiculous. BUT Nokia hasn't denied it and Microsoft hasn't denied it, so until then I will report on it.
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the problem is you're "reporting" something that isn't real by any stretch of the imagination. fake nonsense rumors like this fly so far below the radar of companies like MSFT and Nokia that they don't even know it exists, much less have the desire to deny it.

looks like kids drawing or someone in the night market drawed it...lol

This is fake. I thought everyone knew that. It's embarrassing that you would post it on your website EVEN with the disclaimer that it's just a rumor. This mockup is brought to you by the same fool that opened up paint for this one too:

Sir. Haxalot said:
First of all the resolution. 720p screen resolution would be a direct violation against all of Microsoft's chassis specifications. The resolution is limited to 800x480 for a reason, to make it easier for developers. If this were true Microsoft would be on the very slippery slope of fragmentation.
To clarify: The platform is currently designed for one resolution and that resolution only. More or less the only possible way to continue from this is screens with the resolution 1600x960, exactly doubled on both sides. This was the way that Apple upgraded the screen between iPhone 3G(S) and iPhone 4 and it was for a very good reason: To keep app compability. If Microsoft were to allow a new resolution almost all apps would need a patch for that new resolution. Would Microsoft kill a majority of their Marketplace? no.
None of the current chassis specifications define any support for a Dual Core processor, so that is not likely at this time, maybe next update.
"Dedicated graphic adapter" sounds a bit fishy. It sounds to a reference to a dedicated GPU chip as opposed to todays SoC chips where everything is integrated on one chip. I'm not an expert in the area but it certainly sounds strange that someone suddenly would design a chip very differently from everyone else.
4 Sterophonic loudspeakers. I think that this certainly sounds strange, not sure what they mean with that.
USB 3.0 and NFC doesn't feel very likely. On the other hand Nokia is able to do this with the special privileges Microsoft gave them. I'm not as certain on this one as the others.
Also, don't you all think that the picture doesn't look very professionally done?
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Right on the money here. 100% fake.

Yes it's quite obvious the photo and what not is fake. However, someone email this to Nokia and make it happen for Apollo.

is wp7 be faster than ios?

do you think that wp7 is as fast as ios, which right now is the smoothest and fastest phone?

I'd say WP is faster than iOS in terms of general UI, but for apps, its really where WP turns the idea. Most apps in the marketplace still don't use the 'fast resume' feature like in Mango-enabled games. Meaning if you go back to start screen and go back to the app, the app then goes from the loading screen and then resumes the current task. In iOS, apps are frozen and resumes right where you left off.
So basically, WP rarely lags in UI even when used over time whereas iOS does in fact lag, especially when bringing up the search screen (you know, the barely used screen on the very left). But apps are no problem if developers take advantage of the fast resume feature.
Don't you hate it when there's a spider rooming with you and it doesn't even pay rent. I'm kicking mine out.

http://wmpoweruser.com/windows-phone-winning-nearly-90-of-smoked-challenges-at-mwc-2012/

I would say no....
Even if comparing the built-in apps, although ios is slower,but it is not the speed issue or ios capability, it is due to the ios animation design( the zoom in and zoom out effect duration) has made opening apps look slower.
In term of third party apps, WP7 has no way winning iOS, just cheap feel and slow sluggish,buggy....you can blame the developers....

who cares. WP7 is dead anyways.

FinancialWar said:
who cares. WP7 is dead anyways.
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Lol,mate,right time and right moment and well said...
because nowadays many users have leave this WP7 forum,due to the typical WP7 fanboys reply...
if you reply something like this in the past,you definitely will be getting bash,but now I think no one will care,because it is quiet here.
Gonna back to my silence state now,contribute too much posts(3 this week) to here already.

Now back to the topic...
WP7 IS faster than iOS.
Sent from my OMNIA7 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

Following some replies that made me chuckle..
Yes WP7 is faster UI than iOS.
Doesn't matter what zoom in or zoom out crap it iOS does. It's their UI transition by choice and if that makes it even 'feel' slower, it is slow. I am presuming all of us are here on the same page and agree that 'animations'/'transitions' are part of the operating system or the user interface.
Apps however aren't so nicely made all the time. Some apps are beautiful when it comes to transition whereas the others are as choppy as Google's OS. But then 3rd party app QC isn't top notch. If you use a WP out-of-the-box and compare with same iOS phone, you will immediately notice that WP is much faster, smoother and pretty on your eyes!

downloaderintruder said:
I'd say WP is faster than iOS in terms of general UI, but for apps, its really where WP turns the idea. Most apps in the marketplace still don't use the 'fast resume' feature like in Mango-enabled games. Meaning if you go back to start screen and go back to the app, the app then goes from the loading screen and then resumes the current task. In iOS, apps are frozen and resumes right where you left off.
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In general use as a phone, I would say both have the same speed and smoothness or perhaps windows phone 7 a little faster than iOS

wp7 is one of the smoothest os ever made, but far away from being as fast as iOS. "smoked by windows phone" can't be taken serious. ben won some battles because there was a weather tile on the screen and thats faster than opening apps. but android has widgets too, and iOS can provide similar things in the notification toggle.
but apps which aren't integrated are slow like hell because they aren't cached as good as on android or iOS or they don't multitask. 6 months after mango release the improvents in app swithing can't be noticed in 'everyday' usage. that's not 'amazing'!
when you compare apps like board express with tapatalk, wp7 wins in terms of design. but the speed differences are huge!
or put a video on your wp7 phone, it will take ages just because the player doesn't support most common formats. and there aren't any alternative players, on iOS there are, even without jailbreak!
wp8 has to learn from android, only apple guys accept those limitations.
Windows 8 is awesome! metro ui is much more flexible than on wp7. i hope it will be similar in wp8. But windows 8 is fantastic, because you don't have that kind of limitations. if the player doesn't play a file, use vlc. if your browser doesn't play flash, use real ie or firefox.
right now wp7 devices would never win real speed benchmarks. even my almost 2 years old galaxy s would beat almost every windows phone in most tasks.
but i like windows phone none of the less, because it's unique and stabble, and has an always smooth browser!
but i think windows phone 8 might come too late. until the end of the year and the release of apollo there won't be any real new windows phone, not a single phone from htc nor from samsung. And the nokia effect couldn't equalize the loss of htc and especially samsung (in europe)
in the mean while android will have very cheap dualcores and wp7 will be stuck on snapdragon s2 chips from 2010!

The native OS is faster. Not much, as iOS is a very efficient system, but WP is definitely a little more efficient in my experience.
3rd party apps? Some are extremely well done and are just as fast as the native apps, but most are not coded efficiently so do have a little bit of lag as information loads, scrolling not perfect ect.
Developers definitely have the ability to make their code efficient enough though as there are plenty of examples of this. Lawrence Grippers BBC news and others. WPCentral app (Dev: Jay Bennet), Cocktail Flow (still best designed app I've ever seen on any platform), Windows Phone News app, Weave news reader, News360(latest version) ect ect ect.

@ OP
Dont you think it would be a little wiser to research this question yourself on a search engine? surely some independants have done some investigation already?
Either way asking a question like this on an O/S specific forum isnt really going to get you anywhere is it, at best the answers will be biased even slightly and you will never get the hard and fast answer that you are looking for (if you are indeed looking for an answer )
I'm wondering if you asked this same question in an Apple forum? and if so what response did you get?
Kind Regrds,
Creamy

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wp7 is one of the smoothest os ever made, but far away from being as fast as iOS. "smoked by windows phone" can't be taken serious. ben won some battles because there was a weather tile on the screen and thats faster than opening apps. but android has widgets too, and iOS can provide similar things in the notification toggle.
but apps which aren't integrated are slow like hell because they aren't cached as good as on android or iOS or they don't multitask. 6 months after mango release the improvents in app swithing can't be noticed in 'everyday' usage. that's not 'amazing'!
when you compare apps like board express with tapatalk, wp7 wins in terms of design. but the speed differences are huge!
or put a video on your wp7 phone, it will take ages just because the player doesn't support most common formats. and there aren't any alternative players, on iOS there are, even without jailbreak!
wp8 has to learn from android, only apple guys accept those limitations.
Windows 8 is awesome! metro ui is much more flexible than on wp7. i hope it will be similar in wp8. But windows 8 is fantastic, because you don't have that kind of limitations. if the player doesn't play a file, use vlc. if your browser doesn't play flash, use real ie or firefox.
right now wp7 devices would never win real speed benchmarks. even my almost 2 years old galaxy s would beat almost every windows phone in most tasks.
but i like windows phone none of the less, because it's unique and stabble, and has an always smooth browser!
but i think windows phone 8 might come too late. until the end of the year and the release of apollo there won't be any real new windows phone, not a single phone from htc nor from samsung. And the nokia effect couldn't equalize the loss of htc and especially samsung (in europe)
in the mean while android will have very cheap dualcores and wp7 will be stuck on snapdragon s2 chips from 2010!
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I appreciate what you are saying but I think you are being harsh.
What is not to be taken seriously about the "smoked by Windows Phone"? He won 30 out of 33 matches. He lost to an iPhone in one of those matches. In the ones I saw it was a mix of him picking the challenge and other people picking the challenge. Windows Phone is indeed more efficient at some operations and that is how they built the OS. This flows into my second point...
What exactly is a benchmark? When Vegeta whips out his magic goggles and reads "over 9000" what exactly does that mean? So phone X can draw more fish than phone Y, let me know how many people are going around drawing as many fish as they possibly can.
There needs to be an improvement in the quality of apps and I think people here will agree with you totally. Slow as hell seems like an exaggeration to me but I understand where you are coming from. On a sidenote, hell is hot and slow? I figure people would move around pretty quickly with their butts being on fire and all.
There is no such thing as too late once there is room for improvement. Android has issues and iOS is one phone a year. There is a viable opportunity for Windows Phone especially with the unification of the platform.

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I would say no....
Even if comparing the built-in apps, although ios is slower,but it is not the speed issue or ios capability, it is due to the ios animation design( the zoom in and zoom out effect duration) has made opening apps look slower.
In term of third party apps, WP7 has no way winning iOS, just cheap feel and slow sluggish,buggy....you can blame the developers....
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use a second gen windows phone, all of the third party apps are about as smooth as core apps. There is a penny deal on the HTC titan that ends today you should check it out if you have att.

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I would say no....
Even if comparing the built-in apps, although ios is slower,but it is not the speed issue or ios capability, it is due to the ios animation design( the zoom in and zoom out effect duration) has made opening apps look slower.
In term of third party apps, WP7 has no way winning iOS, just cheap feel and slow sluggish,buggy....you can blame the developers....
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Lol,mate,right time and right moment and well said...
because nowadays many users have leave this WP7 forum,due to the typical WP7 fanboys reply...
if you reply something like this in the past,you definitely will be getting bash,but now I think no one will care,because it is quiet here.
Gonna back to my silence state now,contribute too much posts(3 this week) to here already.
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LOL...
Back to be a troll eh?
Well, well,well, someone is mad because he paid for something he didn't want at first and now he is trolling all around...

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Back to be a troll eh?
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It is not logical. At all. The silence of one voice will not cause the forum on a whole to be significantly quieter unless, like you said, that person was an antagonist. And it most definitely will not affect sales.
It will continue to be with or without one person's participation. And it actually will be a better place without the negativity. Quieter and better. But it probably eats people that do not like Windows Phone inside to read people express their fondness for the OS.

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It is not logical. At all. The silence of one voice will not cause the forum on a whole to be significantly quieter unless, like you said, that person was an antagonist. And it most definitely will not affect sales.
It will continue to be with or without one person's participation. And it actually will be a better place without the negativity. Quieter and better. But it probably eats people that do not like Windows Phone inside to read people express their fondness for the OS.
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I have known that guy for ages.
he bought a Surround, and he is not happy with it, then he gonna post Sh!t about it.
If you want to compare, there is a big thread outside , comparing Windows Phone and iPhone 4S from hardware to software.

My HD7 so far is the fastest and most stable phone I've ever owned and used. I haven't seen any slowdowns it freeze ups like those that occur in both Android and iOS. As for 3rd party apps, all the ones I use run great with the exception of board express.

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What exactly is a benchmark? When Vegeta whips out his magic goggles and reads "over 9000" what exactly does that mean? So phone X can draw more fish than phone Y, let me know how many people are going around drawing as many fish as they possibly can.
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Vegeta, lol. I haven't heard that name in years. What was that, a power reader?
Sent from my Nexus S using Tapatalk

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I have known that guy for ages.
he bought a Surround, and he is not happy with it, then he gonna post Sh!t about it.
If you want to compare, there is a big thread outside , comparing Windows Phone and iPhone 4S from hardware to software.
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Oh yea,dude,u have known me for ages...lmao,the device in using was HTC Mozart.u guessed surround is pretty close though.
I have been windows smartphone supporter since Dopod carrying windows mobile5.0and CE.I think u are pretty new here though.I have been active even since the wp7 is not commercially available.i even created a very high views thread that covering wp7 news.
The reason I'm unhappy with this platform has been posted over 50times,then the waves of new users have classify me as hater and even a Microsoft supporter&wm developer has been called as hater as well.therefore,this platform will just left to you guys maybe quieter and better.but definitely the development would be slower.
you made my day though,known me for ages and I'm using surround......lol

Goodbye windows phone?

first of all, I think WP7 OS is great and i have my omnia 7 for about 18months now, so im in a great position to say what i think of it.
for the first time in 18 months, im starting too look at the Android OS. why?
WP7 Hardware STILL dosnt cut it and there not a single true wp7 high end device out there.
examples,
the aging low res
low memory (especially if you live in the UK 8 gb phones really?)
poor GPU (60 fps is the minimum standard and wp7 games seem to be struggling to hit 30 fps. only the games with poor graphics run at 60fps on wp7. its embarrasing. i wouldnt show my android /iphone owning friends these games on my phone.
single core - sure the actual OS generally is nice and smooth ( although mine has definately slowed down recently maybe as im running out of memory?) however try opening PDF files they slow right down and take an age to open
Skydrive, i use skydrive all the time, i log on today and now instead of my usual 25GB i see i now only have 7GB ? whats going on here, skydrive was the only thing keeping my phone running over since i have only 8, ( actually 7GB of storage on my phone........
like i said at the start, the OS it self is really great, i just wish i could have the OS on a device as powerful as the "old"Samsung galaxy s2 ( I say old but its still WAY more powerful than WP7 devices.) but the hardware is really letting WP7 Down... no wonder sales have been rubbish

Read this article:
http://wmpoweruser.com/skydrive-for-windows-now-available-to-download-features-as-promised/
It will give you a link to 'upgrade' your SkyDrive storage back to 25GB. I just did this yesterday for an account, so it should still be working. It also has a link for the new SkyDrive Windows 7 program, which makes SD now on par with DropBox (Better, actually since it now keeps the phone in sync with folders on the computer).

thanks for that .......should keep me ticking over until my contract ends. by then i expect ( more like hope actually) that there will be at least 1 wp7 htc device in 6 months?

davidebanks said:
thanks for that .......should keep me ticking over until my contract ends. by then i expect ( more like hope actually) that there will be at least 1 wp7 htc device in 6 months?
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I hope they make something like the hardware used for the ONE S.
I was helping my friend get her very first ever smart phone (Lumia 710) yesterday. We were at Car Toys. The sales guy went to the back to get the ONE S to show it off. Granted, I'm in no way passionate about Android, but it is one sexy piece of hardware. Just the right thickness, but a great sturdiness and weight to it. I was really impressed with its feel. Were there no Nokia, I'd go w/ HTC. Samsung's all feel like plastic graham crackers to me.

Single core and all those things, do you really need it or just to say Hey I have dual cores. For me, I don't think dual core is needed.
About the GPU, yes I think the game graphics can be improved by a lot seeing those FPS games on iphone.

To the OP, glad that you have realised and awake about the drawbacks...
Have been using my mozart for 13months++, bought the HTC one X last month,honestly my 1st android device. It is great, don't listen to all those lagging&force close BS...give it a try...no regret on one X...
lol...smoked by WP7???who cares?i can play cut the rope: experiment,angry bird space, highlighting and add notes to my PDF lecture slides(this is the crucial one), cheaper apps and etc....
now my mozart is collecting dusk and work as alarm clock[this is where WP7 excel at (easy task)]

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like i said at the start, the OS it self is really great, i just wish i could have the OS on a device as powerful as the "old"Samsung galaxy s2 ( I say old but its still WAY more powerful than WP7 devices.) but the hardware is really letting WP7 Down... no wonder sales have been rubbish
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If you like the experience of Windows Phone but want more modern hardware, Windows Phone 8 might be worth looking at.
It will be based on the NT kernel and will support more powerful CPU / GPUs (including multi-core CPUs) and higher screen resolutions.
There are plenty of other threads discussing WP8 (including timing) if you want more information. I'd expect it to be out within 6 months, assuming you're on a 2 year contract.

OP, your post is useless as all your other 232 posts. Hope to never see you again in WP7/Win8 forums (you may also pick up a few andro-stupid-trolls with)

Get a phone to suit your needs end of line.

I'm also leaving windows phone for android.
I've been a huge windows phone supporter (went from windows mobile to windows phone) and i still think metro is the greatest thing on any phone. But i'm tired of not having key features that i find essential for any phone. I mean common, no way to turn off auto rotation? No way to view notifications other than live tiles? No way to lower volume without lowering ring volume? No way to turn off 3G (if you had AT&T in NYC you'd understand why)
These are things i consider very very basic and should be implemented.
I really don't care about the apps. That's not why i'm switching. I'm switching because i have a problem with the OS not having basic functionality.

Hi guys, lets try to keep the forum focused in DEVELOPMENT, in this section for WP7. Thread closed.