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Seidio Online Store is Crap!

Hello Everyone,
I wanted to let everyone know about the trouble I've been having with Seidio customer service, so you may take this into account if you happen to try and buy from them.
I think the Seidio Innocase is a wonderful product. I bought an Innocase a while ago for my Tilt. I bought a holster as well. At the same time I bought my Wife's Smart phone an Innocase. We both love the cases. So 6 months ago when I got my Fuze first thing I did was order an Innocase and Holster Combo for my Fuze. I still have this case on and It works wonderfully.
However, things got worse. My friend got a Fuze 3 months ago, he noted my Innocase and said he wanted one for his phone. Well his birthday was July 7th. So On July 1st I ordered him a Innocase from Seidio Online for his birthday. However on the 5th, he dropped his Fuze out of his pocket and backed over it with his car. Needless to say my present of an Innocase was no longer a good idea. When the box got here on the 6th I set it aside and didn't open it.
I wasn't sure if Seidio would give me a refund but I thought I'd check. I filled out the RMA request and it was approved. So I spent the $2.00 to ship the unopened box back to them. I opened this box at this time to place the RMA slip inside an re closed it. I never inspected to Innocase, this turned out to be my undoing.
On the 15th I receive an Email that My RMA request will not be fullfilled. Confused I asked for a response. They told me that the Innocase they received has scratches and cracks on it, that the case looked used. I told them this was impossible, as I never opened the box to look at the Innocase. I explained my story in a response I sent to them on July 16th.
I HAVE HEARD NOTHING FROM THEM SINCE THEN.
I am not impressed with a company that thinks I'm a liar and a fraudster. I am not going to do any business with Seidio any more. And I will tell everyone I know not to do so either.
I was willing to accept the fact that due to my friends unfortunate circumstances I was going to be out $7.90 for shipping both ways. But Now I am out $37.85 with nothing for it. As they have the Case, not that I want a case with scratches. But Basically I just paid Seidio Online $35.85 plus spent another $2.00 to have Seidio Online Customer Service Call me a Liar and a fraudster.
I just wanted to warn everyone here, If you order from Seidio Online, you better hope you get a brand new case or product. Because they will not provide you with proper customer service.

I can't say that I love them, either. I've got an innocase, and after about 4 months it is toast. I should've thought about it before I bought it, but the design isn't the best if you need to access your sd card frequently (you can guess why, lol). The hooks are all gone, and now the case hangs on by friction.
I also got a docking station from them; I'd swear that they pulled a bait-and-switch on me. There's a hole in the back to plug in speakers, but the darn thing isn't hooked up to anything. Apparently, I got the junior docking station, or something stupid like that, although I would swear that the online description said it had a plug for headphones. I'm too lazy to send things back, so I'm stuck with it. Otherwise, it is pretty nice.

Yup, Still no response. Thanks Seidio, Kiss my future Business and the business of anyone I know good bye.

There was a CSR from Seidio who posted here a while ago. He was able to help me out with an RMA. The first response from the company was nasty as well, but he helped me out.
I have gone through 2 Innocase covers for my Tilt and they both broke. Since then, I used Boxwave.

you cant be totally upset if the item was damaged then I could see why they wouldn't want to refund it. Believe me I work in C/S and plenty of people are fraudsters and lie to my face even when I call them out on it. It's an online store so it's not like you have ever met them why should they trust you? It's really their call on this, but the main problem is that they are sending out damaged items. If I were you I would just call them E-Mails are just to impersonal and easy to over look. When I think people are making things up and trying to return used/broken items I go out of my way to not refund them. If it's a legitimate claim then I will go to bat for them all the time especially when the customer is honest if it was their mistake. I think your sig is way out of line though. You could be damaging a companies image just due to a C/S reps responce please at least call them before you torch them

Jonathan1683 said:
you cant be totally upset if the item was damaged then I could see why they wouldn't want to refund it. Believe me I work in C/S and plenty of people are fraudsters and lie to my face even when I call them out on it. It's an online store so it's not like you have ever met them why should they trust you? It's really their call on this, but the main problem is that they are sending out damaged items. If I were you I would just call them E-Mails are just to impersonal and easy to over look. When I think people are making things up and trying to return used/broken items I go out of my way to not refund them. If it's a legitimate claim then I will go to bat for them all the time especially when the customer is honest if it was their mistake. I think your sig is way out of line though. You could be damaging a companies image just due to a C/S reps responce please at least call them before you torch them
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Yes I understand a lot of people are fraudsters but that's part of doing business. Is it worth the company not refunding my money because I possibly could be a fraudster, which I'm not? And since I'm not now they've created bad feelings with me, and lost my business and word of mouth business from people I know. That's their call, but the Signature Stays, I am NOT a Fraudster and will not be ignored.

I have to agree with Johnathan. Give them a call before you bash them.
The item should have been inspected by their guys/girls before it shipped out, and that's the way THEY would look at it. How are they supposed to tell that the item wasn't damaged by the customer. In their eyes, it was new when it left their facility...
FOR THE RECORD: I have NEVER had any bad business from seidio. And I have made around 8-10 purchases from them in the past. THE SIG ABOVE IS DISRESPECTFUL & SHOULD BE IGNORED TOTALLY!!!

tomtommy306 said:
I have to agree with Johnathan. Give them a call before you bash them.
The item should have been inspected by their guys/girls before it shipped out, and that's the way THEY would look at it. How are they supposed to tell that the item wasn't damaged by the customer. In their eyes, it was new when it left their facility...
FOR THE RECORD: I have NEVER had any bad business from seidio. And I have made around 8-10 purchases from them in the past. THE SIG ABOVE IS DISRESPECTFUL & SHOULD BE IGNORED TOTALLY!!!
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Ah But Once Again I have called them. And apparently they made a mistake, I understand that they thought in their eyes that it was new when it went out. But there unwillingness to listen to me is why I have such a signature. What's more likely, a store that does thousands of transactions making a mistake in shipping or me lying and cheating and expending all this effort? Calling numerous times, emailing over and over again, posting my unfortunate situation on a popular Mobile Phone Board. That sounds like something a liar and cheater would do. (/sarcasm)
By saying my signature is disrespectful and should be ignored, you are saying that I am untrustworthy and a liar, which I am not. And them treating me like one IS also disrespectful to me. So there you are.
Also, like I said I've had good luck with Seidio, until now. Just because you haven't had bad service doesn't mean it couldn't happen. So I can't say my feelings and warn others that if it happened to me, it could happen to them? That seems unfair.

You should be able to perform a credit card chargeback to get your money back. Explain your situation to the credit card company, they're much more likely to be understanding and intent on keeping your business than Seidio is.

IMHO the price they charge for what has been acknowledged as quality products, should come with some type of "satisfaction guarantee". There are cheaper products out there, but you were a satisfied returning customer... I have lusted over many of their products but alas they are too expensive for me. So now I am discouraged from considering a future purchase.
I would venture to guess you would buy from them again if you were treated better or "fairly", because they DO make good products.
I would also guess that whoever is in management would not be pleased to find a "satisfied" "return customer" being treated this way.
My thought is that a Customer Service Rep felt obligated to see things in "black and white" (box was opened = fraud) or couldn't see it any other way... there are many people like this... they make great bill collectors. You can't argue with them because to them you've already lost. Somehow you have to get to the next level, but it won't work with threats or anger. You will have to say "nice jackass... nice jackass" and pat them on the back while you ready the 2x4. The 2x4 is management and only they can help you and take care of the "jackass", but you have to get to them and be nice.
btw western Orygun too.

I hate Sprint/Asurion

So my phone was stolen on Friday. Saturday I filed the claim.
Says it will take 1-3 days. Wed after getting no updates I call, they say should ship that day. Today I call they say it is now 10-14 days.....call Sprint they say there is nothing they can do.
So basically:
1) Go 14 days without a phone
2) Buy a new phone out of my pocket (what was the purpose of insurance again?)
3) Accept a different model phone (what was the purpose of me buying my phone just 2 weeks ago?)

That sucks, but don't you have an old crappier phone you can use while you wait? I know if you get your phone from best buy and buy your insurance through them, they'll give you a loaner phone while you wait for your replacement.

Post like this makes me wonder about insurance. I would not get off the phone till someone helped me.
Did you have lookout or tp app on it? I think your insurance can try to ping it also. But it is probably to late. Still, I would try.
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japper88 said:
That sucks, but don't you have an old crappier phone you can use while you wait? I know if you get your phone from best buy and buy your insurance through them, they'll give you a loaner phone while you wait for your replacement.
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Thats only for damage, Best Buy doesn't cover lost and stolen. Hence why they have no deductible.

Its not a cell phone but I have magic jack for exactly this reason. Awesome device that just plain works and costs almost nothing.

newalker91 said:
The reason you cannot get one for two weeks is because they are completely sold out and backordered. Sales cannot even get their hands on these phones right now. There is no magic warehouse of high demand phones strictly for insurance reasons. The fact that they offered you a similar device until you can get another is proof that they are doing what they can to work with you on it. Let this simply be a lesson that one needs to be more careful with their expensive electronics. You wouldn't leave $600 in cash laying around anywhere someone could even remotely consider walking off with it, why would you do the same with the phone? If in your case it was something more severe such as house being broken into or you were physically assaulted and mugged, then law enforcement should be stepping in so you can receive proper restitution. If you left it in your car and it was broken into, then you should know in times like this to never leave so much as spare change in your car.
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Wow. Just wow.
First off, you're right about there being no magic warehouse of them, and that they're simply unavailable. That's the part that sucks. But you're making a lot of other unreasonable assumptions here. For one thing, they're not offering him another model until his becomes available, they're merely offering him another model. PERIOD. They will not then say, "oh, hey, we got these back in, so we're going to send you one and you send the loaner back." That's not them trying to assist, that's them giving up on a reasonable solution. I think working with a local store to provide a loaner until it's available would be the reasonable solution here, but they're clearly not set up for that, and that's a shame.
And nice "blame the victim" mentality. You sound like the jerks who tell rape victims that it was their fault for dressing that way. The guy got his phone stolen. No world is it his fault that it was stolen. Someone still broke the law and TOOK his property without permission. Period. There's no logic behind telling him that's HIS fault and HE should have known better. How exceptionally rude and thoughtless.
Besides, he did protect himself by buying insurance on his new phone. He did the right thing, knowing stuff happens and these problems occur. He's one of the responsible ones. And the insurance isn't paying off. That's the reality.

newalker91 said:
The reason you cannot get one for two weeks is because they are completely sold out and backordered. Sales cannot even get their hands on these phones right now. There is no magic warehouse of high demand phones strictly for insurance reasons. The fact that they offered you a similar device until you can get another is proof that they are doing what they can to work with you on it. Let this simply be a lesson that one needs to be more careful with their expensive electronics. You wouldn't leave $600 in cash laying around anywhere someone could even remotely consider walking off with it, why would you do the same with the phone? If in your case it was something more severe such as house being broken into or you were physically assaulted and mugged, then law enforcement should be stepping in so you can receive proper restitution. If you left it in your car and it was broken into, then you should know in times like this to never leave so much as spare change in your car.
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Nice troll!

newalker91 said:
Not trolling. It's called playing the devil's advocate. Working for Sprint, I see a lot of bs every day where people do stupid things and result in their phone being lost/stolen. Asurion often times will offer a temporary replacement unit until theirs is available if you escalate the issue. Never once did I say it doesn't suck that his phone was stolen, I'm merely pointing out that in the future this can all be alleviated by being more careful. Starting a thread to flame Sprint/Asurion will result in said person being questioned as to their reasoning for doing so.
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You're a pretty good troll, indeed. Where did you learn these skills?
Troll techniques uses so far:
1. Its OPs fault
2. tl;dr original post --> talk about other crap not relevant to post (like he was offered a loaner phone)
3. Call OP stupid, careless, other flame names
4. Lie blatantly.. about phone availability, policies, etc.
Need I go on?

Didn't know Sprint policies included telling people it's their own fault their phone was stolen. That's a pretty poor reflection on the company, I must say.

TurboFool said:
Didn't know Sprint policies included telling people it's their own fault their phone was stolen. That's a pretty poor reflection on the company, I must say.
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He's just a troll and hes playing a sprint employee on TV.. err.. internet.

LxMxFxD said:
He's just a troll and hes playing a sprint employee on TV.. err.. internet.
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Actually I completely agree with him. I was just as irritated when I read the OP's post. I've had the most top of the line phones since smart phones were on the market, and I've never once been even close to a situation where my phone could get stolen. He's lucky Asurion covers theft at all. Theft is one of the most preventable problems there is.

Lonewuhf said:
Actually I completely agree with him. I was just as irritated when I read the OP's post. I've had the most top of the line phones since smart phones were on the market, and I've never once been even close to a situation where my phone could get stolen. He's lucky Asurion covers theft at all. Theft is one of the most preventable problems there is.
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This. Very much this. The amount of irresponsibility i see every day as a tech is sickening. What is even more disheartening is the greater amount of entitlement.
On that i won't be elaborating, but needless to say I am sorry for the OP, but surely you can comprehend that there simply are little to no refurbs available. Refurbs have to come from somewhere, and that would be returned phones. The phone is little over half a month old, so its not hard to see that the amount of refurbs made and phones returned is creating a backorder limbo, with the rates being about equal. Also, exacerbating the problem is the fact that many are out of 14 days so issues dealing with defects no longer qualify for a new, but a refurb instead.
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How is this Sprints fault?
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I haven't had problems with misplacing my phone, but it does happen. Trust me I treat it like a brick of gold. Fiancée is always saying you care more about your phone, etc. Anyways isn't a replacement what why we pay insurance? If some dumbass hits your car you sure aren't gonna wait two weeks for a rental. Cut the man some slack, **** happens and it could happen to you. At least he's wanting another Epic Touch and not jumping on the iPhone bandwagon. I mean let's go wait in line for a phone that's already outdated...
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Lonewuhf said:
Actually I completely agree with him. I was just as irritated when I read the OP's post. I've had the most top of the line phones since smart phones were on the market, and I've never once been even close to a situation where my phone could get stolen. He's lucky Asurion covers theft at all. Theft is one of the most preventable problems there is.
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Stuff happens. You can't assume that every person who has something does it by ignorance. Now, let's assume I had it stolen because of my ignorance. I am STILL paying $8 a month to cover that ignorance, and it isn't being done.
I just had to go out and buy an Evo 4G in the mean time (obviously I could have bought something less expensive, it was $150, but still). So now I will wait for my Samsung to get to me and promptly cancel my insurance coverage. If I'm going to be SOL anyway paying $96 a year and $100 for the deductible and $150 for a replacement in the meantime I might as well just go without it.
And for the record, I have had more smartphones than I can count on my hands and possibly my toes and have never had one lost, stolen, or KIA due to user error before. But like I said at the beginning, stuff sometimes happens.

So for all those saying that if someone gets something stolen thy are irresponsible? So if I go to work and my house gets broken into its my fault? That is what insurance is for. They cover lost/stolen phones and that is why he pays the $8 bucks a month. I'm glad he told me how asurion works.
Sent From My Evo Killer!!!

newalker91 said:
People hate to take any blame for their own mistakes, and often times it is best that they hear something that they don't want to hear. As I've clearly stated, not every theft leaves the owner at fault, but often times it does. Phones are constantly left laying on counters at bars, in lunch rooms at work, on benches in locker rooms, etc. and then they are angry for having to pay the deductible. I may piss some individuals off when I ask them how it came about being stolen, but finding out actually is part of my job. Teaching people a little responsibility can go a long way considering they get a limited number of claims.
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your blatant disregard for anything as far as customer service is concerned is scary, now this has turned into a flame war, but oh well you brought it onto yourself. in no way shape or fashion is it your job to see why it was stolen , its your job to hear him say it was stolen ask for the police report and that's it.
So your telling me that if i go into a convenience store leave my phone on the counter for a second while my head is turned that its MY FAULT no its the thief who took it. I have had my car stolen and the police tried to grill me because i left the keys in the car and it running but yet it was my fault. in fact no it was not, because how many people leave their doors unlocked at night does that mean its their fault if they get their house broken into NO!
Now i can see that they may be back ordered and if asurion offered a different phone in the meantime then i would do it.

boominz28 said:
your blatant disregard for anything as far as customer service is concerned is scary, now this has turned into a flame war, but oh well you brought it onto yourself. in no way shape or fashion is it your job to see why it was stolen , its your job to hear him say it was stolen ask for the police report and that's it.
So your telling me that if i go into a convenience store leave my phone on the counter for a second while my head is turned that its MY FAULT no its the thief who took it. I have had my car stolen and the police tried to grill me because i left the keys in the car and it running but yet it was my fault. in fact no it was not, because how many people leave their doors unlocked at night does that mean its their fault if they get their house broken into NO!
Now i can see that they may be back ordered and if asurion offered a different phone in the meantime then i would do it.
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And I'm even saying ASSUME I was ignorant. I wasn't, but assume it. Because I agree a little bit you can prevent things from getting stolen, but the point still is they offer the insurance for lost/stolen property, so the ignorance on behalf of the person who loses or has something stolen is irrelevant.
And your last point is the best one. What I was looking for them to do was say "OK, we will send you a comparable device in the meantime, and then you have to send it back to us when yours is returned". If I'm paying the price I do I should not be left without a phone for two weeks.
Instead they told me, BUY a comparable device, use it, send it back in two weeks, and we will refund you.

gpgorbosjr said:
And I'm even saying ASSUME I was ignorant. I wasn't, but assume it. Because I agree a little bit you can prevent things from getting stolen, but the point still is they offer the insurance for lost/stolen property, so the ignorance on behalf of the person who loses or has something stolen is irrelevant.
And your last point is the best one. What I was looking for them to do was say "OK, we will send you a comparable device in the meantime, and then you have to send it back to us when yours is returned". If I'm paying the price I do I should not be left without a phone for two weeks.
Instead they told me, BUY a comparable device, use it, send it back in two weeks, and we will refund you.
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i would get that in writing , now i dont know your financial situation but comparable would mean another 600 buck phone, in my mind i would do it knowing i would get that money in cash in hand , but if they dont and say we will credit your account i wouldnt do it.

I don't think people are understanding the arguments here.
In the past I worked with security to try to help with campus crimes. Main problems being rape and thief. We could have easily have cut down on these problems if it weren't for one greater problem. Just plain stupidity. People ignore the safety advice we were giving them. Late class at night? No friend to walk home with? Call this number and we will come and get you. Guy or girl, it didn't matter. Follow these paths that we have clearly outlined for you while security is beefed up in other places, and still people choose to take short cuts that saved them maybe a few minutes and put their lives at risk. We did everything we could to prevent this from happening and it was as if they did everything they could to make something happened. Police have a negative stereotype and it frustrates me to no end when people ignore them when they are putting their lives on the line to save these people.
But lets get closer to the subject. I had my car broken into. Jacked up my dash taking out my radio. GF was driving it at the time and she forgot to lock my car door. I called the police and once they figured out my door wasn't locked they didn't do anything. It was my fault for not locking my doors and I had told my GF to make sure she locked them and she didn't. If my doors had been locked with my security alarm active my insurance and the police would have been a lot more helpful to me. And who knows, maybe the alarm would have scared them off and avoid the whole situation(broken window at the worse?).
I was personally shocked that the op didn't try to track their phone down. Lookout, plan b, he has insurance so the TEP app would have helped him to. I keep my phone on a belt holster. A few people have grabbed that holster when I was walking in crowded areas and without a quick reaction my phone would have been stolen. Before I had a holster one of my older smart devices fell from my pocket when I was playing games. None of the employees knew where it was. Used another customers smart phone to track mines down behind the employees desk and they just so happened to find it there. Last but not least, it is possible to be robbed and have your phone forcefully taken. You can't plan for every possible thing that could happen to your device. But you can get insurance and install at least one program to help track it down in the event that it is lost.
Any of could be where the OP is right now despite however much planning we do. I personally don't like the way the insurance is handling this. I would expect a loaner device during these times because it helps ease the pain of waiting. And of course the OP is mad at Sprint. They sold him the insurance that put him in this place. Wouldn't you be mad at me if I sold you something and it didn't work when you tried to use it? It should lower your trust in me despite the fact that I didn't have any control over what happened and it worked great for everyone I knew.

Sprint customer service help

Hi all. I'm looking for some help with sprint as the title says. I love the E4GT but I have had like 6 replacements since November (when I bought the phone) and apparently sprint doesn't want to do anything but give me the same phone or the conquer, but obviously this isn't acceptable. So I have been on the phone with a store employee or a csr everyday for the past two weeks but no one seems to understand the trouble I have had to go through to get absolutely nowhere.
A little back ground: last year I had the Evo shift and I had various problems with the replacements but most notably one that I took to the store on the same day I got it and found out that the MB had corrosion. So Sprint, after much haggling, gave me an upgrade and I bought the E4GT. the issues with the E4GT have been updates bricking the phone, capacitive buttons activating without being pressed, overheating, and camera malfunctioning. Any advice on where to go next or what to do would be appreciated.
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Having worked in customer service. You are a complainer. Doesn't make you a bad guy its just who you are. You had the shift complained enough to get E4GT, now you want to keep complaining until you get another one. And when you go to a store and they will see your record. That's all they will see is that you are a complainer. It doesn't matter what carrier you go to. They still buy the same manufacturers phones for the most part. They aren't going to give you another free upgrade. Which is what you want. Let's just cut to the chase. It sounds like you want an Iphone. Instead of complaining to trying and get one. You sell your E4GT and buy the Iphone that you want.

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Having worked in customer service. You are a complainer. Doesn't make you a bad guy its just who you are. You had the shift complained enough to get E4GT, now you want to keep complaining until you get another one. And when you go to a store and they will see your record. That's all they will see is that you are a complainer. It doesn't matter what carrier you go to. They still buy the same manufacturers phones for the most part. They aren't going to give you another free upgrade. Which is what you want. Let's just cut to the chase. It sounds like you want an Iphone. Instead of complaining to trying and get one. You sell your E4GT and buy the Iphone that you want.
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What he said....only more nicely!

not trying to fight here but im a complainer because i have not had a phone for a month though im paying for service. and yes i have thought about an iphone because im not loyal to a manufacturer. also it becomes a problem when i can't even get an E4GT anymore because of having too many replacements within a year, while also not being given any good replacement option or anything. i would pay the etf but i dont think i should have to given my luck with their services.
someone else got any advice or input?

i would pay the etf but i dont think i should have to given my luck with their services.
someone else got any advice or input?
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I'm not arguing...just stating the obvious....the squeaky wheel get's oiled. Your not squeaking enough.
Be persistent, stand your ground, and if all else fails, email corporate.
Your posts are intelligent, which means you can craft a very concise email explaining your troubles. Explain exactly what you want and how you want it. Then if that doesn't work, write another....and then another. Complain louder and eventually your cry's will fall on sympathetic ears. Just know that there is no magic combination. I've been told that 3 replacements and you can choose a different device. Honestly, there's only one device better than our and that's the S3.
Good luck.
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Ok well thanks for making my case.
If you haven't gotten service fora month call customer service for your credit. Seems easy enough? For having worked in customer service. I have little sympanty when you refuse to take replacement device. Ohh why because it won't work like the last one. That a very defeatest attitude. And its no wonder you aren't happy. NO phone is perfect. But I'm sure you know this. What you want is a free phone for nothing. YOU ARE LIMITING YOUR OPTIONS!!!!
1. Pay the ETF and leave. People with good credit have that option.
2. Sell the phone and buy another one. You can get a good 150-200 for it
3. Quit complaining
4. Try the conquer, maybe it will stop you from complaining. But I doubt it.
For the complaining that you have done at the sprint store, over the phone, and now coming here. You could have worked a part time temp job for a couple weeks to paid for another phone by now. What you want is a free phone go to another board if you want a way to scam them.

Call up Samsung for a sammich.
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I'm not arguing...just stating the obvious....the squeaky wheel get's oiled. Your not squeaking enough.
Be persistent, stand your ground, and if all else fails, email corporate.
Your posts are intelligent, which means you can craft a very concise email explaining your troubles. Explain exactly what you want and how you want it. Then if that doesn't work, write another....and then another. Complain louder and eventually your cry's will fall on sympathetic ears. Just know that there is no magic combination. I've been told that 3 replacements and you can choose a different device. Honestly, there's only one device better than our and that's the S3.
Good luck.
(note...what he said...only more nicely)
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Thanks for the advice Hotspace. I'm done feeding the troll.

ludrose said:
Thanks for the advice Hotspace. I'm done feeding the troll.
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No trolling, you wanted help. I didn't tell you what you wanted to hear.
My bad didn't know I had to play down to my competition here. Its unfortunate that out of all the other options I present. Complaining is the only one you see as a viable option. That's sad

i had an issue when i bricked my phone lol jk.. but naw man, you need to figure out what it is your doing to mess up your phones..we honestly have one of the best phones from sprint besides (like said already) the sgs3. how could u go through six devices lol. either way sounds like sprint already helped you once in letting you upgrade early and they wont do it again. so you had issues with your evo shift too? sounds fishy.. gotta love it when people dont tell the story right. how about buying a phone outright? then upgrade when its time like the rest of us
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I'm all for against corporate greed and the first to advocate for consumer's rights...but 6 phones with "problems." And you also had issues with prior phones. You sure you're not causing the issues? I was somewhat with you until you acknowledged that you did think about the Iphone. So maybe there is more to your story that you're letting us to believe. I believe you received fair advice on what you should do.
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ludrose said:
Hi all. I'm looking for some help with sprint as the title says. I love the E4GT but I have had like 6 replacements since November (when I bought the phone) and apparently sprint doesn't want to do anything but give me the same phone or the conquer, but obviously this isn't acceptable. So I have been on the phone with a store employee or a csr everyday for the past two weeks but no one seems to understand the trouble I have had to go through to get absolutely nowhere.
A little back ground: last year I had the Evo shift and I had various problems with the replacements but most notably one that I took to the store on the same day I got it and found out that the MB had corrosion. So Sprint, after much haggling, gave me an upgrade and I bought the E4GT. the issues with the E4GT have been updates bricking the phone, capacitive buttons activating without being pressed, overheating, and camera malfunctioning. Any advice on where to go next or what to do would be appreciated.
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you need to be transfer to the retention department explain your story. Try and get a record for all thr e tocket info and replacement records. Then ask to be xfered to the multipule devices departmentthey will help u out. Ask for an other device or a non referb replacement. Sprint CSRs are mostly under educated or badly trained . Its just fact they are horri fic. I am dealing with multipule people on the higer levels right now they email me and i have dorect numbers. If u need assitance PM me . I am in the middle of a huge deal right now where they are actually throttling data and they admit to the problem but claim they dont have control thet have multi sent devices too.

nickespi said:
you need to be transfer to the retention department explain your story. Try and get a record for all thr e tocket info and replacement records. Then ask to be xfered to the multipule devices departmentthey will help u out. Ask for an other device or a non referb replacement. Sprint CSRs are mostly under educated or badly trained . Its just fact they are horri fic. I am dealing with multipule people on the higer levels right now they email me and i have dorect numbers. If u need assitance PM me . I am in the middle of a huge deal right now where they are actually throttling data and they admit to the problem but claim they dont have control thet have multi sent devices too.
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lol cool story bro.. so your deep in a deal with sprint and have them admitting to throttling? whats your point exactly? retention dept is the dept that saves customers from cancelling service.. if its that hard for him to get a new phone im sure hed get the go ahead and cancel with etf or else they would have offered him a upgrade already.. and what is the multiple devices dept? a special team to deal with repeat offenders who every phone they have has issues somehow to obtain new phones?
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elliwigy said:
lol cool story bro.. so your deep in a deal with sprint and have them admitting to throttling? whats your point exactly? retention dept is the dept that saves customers from cancelling service.. if its that hard for him to get a new phone im sure hed get the go ahead and cancel with etf or else they would have offered him a upgrade already.. and what is the multiple devices dept? a special team to deal with repeat offenders who every phone they have has issues somehow to obtain new phones?
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Props on understanding what he wrote... wtf (I had to read it twice to make sense of it)

fenixjn said:
Props on understanding what he wrote... wtf (I had to read it twice to make sense of it)
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Yeah its pretty hard to type on my phone lol..sorry. But yes those are the correct steps about going to get a new phone. The retention department usally takes situations more serious and are usally more willing to direct your call properly. I guess a lot of peoe are use to prints ****ty customer service..u need to control the situation as much as u can or saddly u wont get much.
Sorry for the typos..lol my phone to is all jacked up theyre tying to send me a different phone now this is my thrid one! Always trwated perfect not a drop or sxratch 2 days old my i ad..heres to the referbs jk lol..
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And yes multi device department! Try it!

you need to be transfer to the retention department explain your story. Try and get a record for all thr e tocket info and replacement records. Then ask to be xfered to the multipule devices departmentthey will help u out. Ask for an other device or a non referb replacement. Sprint CSRs are mostly under educated or badly trained . Its just fact they are horri fic. I am dealing with multipule people on the higer levels right now they email me and i have dorect numbers. If u need assitance PM me . I am in the middle of a huge deal right now where they are actually throttling data and they admit to the problem but claim they dont have control thet have multi sent devices too.
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ludrose said:
Hi all. I'm looking for some help with sprint as the title says. I love the E4GT but I have had like 6 replacements since November (when I bought the phone) and apparently sprint doesn't want to do anything but give me the same phone or the conquer, but obviously this isn't acceptable. So I have been on the phone with a store employee or a csr everyday for the past two weeks but no one seems to understand the trouble I have had to go through to get absolutely nowhere.
A little back ground: last year I had the Evo shift and I had various problems with the replacements but most notably one that I took to the store on the same day I got it and found out that the MB had corrosion. So Sprint, after much haggling, gave me an upgrade and I bought the E4GT. the issues with the E4GT have been updates bricking the phone, capacitive buttons activating without being pressed, overheating, and camera malfunctioning. Any advice on where to go next or what to do would be appreciated.
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OK so I'm sure you'll accuse me of trolling like the other guy who gave reasonable advice... but you talk about the evo shift and its "replacements" (plural!) and how this got you a free upgrade, now you've gone through e4gt's at a rate of almost one a month since you've bought the damn thing. Newsflash dude, they boot loyal, on time paying customers of years for using too much roaming data, in the past few years they've eliminated all of the awesome legacy discounts that they used to offer via retentions (eg I used to get a 40% monthly statement credit, seriously) I've been on sprint for 12 years now, have 4 lines with them, and always pay my bill on time and they still just let me out of my contract and said take your business elsewhere after I complained about the loss of said discount (I ended up staying as sprint was still cheaper than vzw or att). Long story short you are costing them money, they don't care if you're happy and if you keep pushing them they'll end your contract. This may excite you but keep in mind sprint is consistently rated the highest in customer service, so good luck pulling this kind of crap on another carrier, I'll doubt you have much luck...
Furthermore how have you had multiple phones bricked by updates? And even if this is really the case only the ICS update could brick it unrecoverably... does not seem possible that you've had more than one e4gt brick taking the OTA to ICS, if that... capacitive button wonkyness is a known ICS bug, and not necessarily a hardware problem, you should have downgraded to GB or tried other ICS ROMs if it bothered you that much.... overheating also most likely has its source in a software problems (an app is causing it), not hardware.... also what do you mean by overheating? These things are passively cooled, if you use it a lot doing intensive things its going to get HOT.... lastly camera malfunctioning? Seriously? What does that even mean, also the camera is modular, I would imagine the sprint tech would have just replaced it as opposed to sending out a refurb if that was the actual issue.
To sum up this long rambling post the problem is not with the phone, its you... it is statistically impossible that you've somehow managed to get god knows how many "bad" evo shifts followed by 6 "bad" e4gt's... sprint isn't going to do anything for you nor do I think they should.... take the advice already offered and just buy a damn iPhone, clearly you can't differentiate between hardware and software issues, and apple will be happy to help you, they'll make a fortune off you as you'll probably be the most frequent genius bar customer ever
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OK so I'm sure you'll accuse me of trolling like the other guy who gave reasonable advice... but you talk about the evo shift and its "replacements" (plural!) and how this got you a free upgrade, now you've gone through e4gt's at a rate of almost one a month since you've bought the damn thing. Newsflash dude, they boot loyal, on time paying customers of years for using too much roaming data, in the past few years they've eliminated all of the awesome legacy discounts that they used to offer via retentions (eg I used to get a 40% monthly statement credit, seriously) I've been on sprint for 12 years now, have 4 lines with them, and always pay my bill on time and they still just let me out of my contract and said take your business elsewhere after I complained about the loss of said discount (I ended up staying as sprint was still cheaper than vzw or att). Long story short you are costing them money, they don't care if you're happy and if you keep pushing them they'll end your contract. This may excite you but keep in mind sprint is consistently rated the highest in customer service, so good luck pulling this kind of crap on another carrier, I'll doubt you have much luck...
Furthermore how have you had multiple phones bricked by updates? And even if this is really the case only the ICS update could brick it unrecoverably... does not seem possible that you've had more than one e4gt brick taking the OTA to ICS, if that... capacitive button wonkyness is a known ICS bug, and not necessarily a hardware problem, you should have downgraded to GB or tried other ICS ROMs if it bothered you that much.... overheating also most likely has its source in a software problems (an app is causing it), not hardware.... also what do you mean by overheating? These things are passively cooled, if you use it a lot doing intensive things its going to get HOT.... lastly camera malfunctioning? Seriously? What does that even mean, also the camera is modular, I would imagine the sprint tech would have just replaced it as opposed to sending out a refurb if that was the actual issue.
To sum up this long rambling post the problem is not with the phone, its you... it is statistically impossible that you've somehow managed to get god knows how many "bad" evo shifts followed by 6 "bad" e4gt's... sprint isn't going to do anything for you nor do I think they should.... take the advice already offered and just buy a damn iPhone, clearly you can't differentiate between hardware and software issues, and apple will be happy to help you, they'll make a fortune off you as you'll probably be the most frequent genius bar customer ever
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cool story bro. got no reason to lie here, if i did then i just be wasting mine and others' time.

ludrose said:
cool story bro. got no reason to lie here, if i did then i just be wasting mine and others' time.
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Maybe you just don't realize that its user error. Who wants to think of themselves as a nūb.
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What I want to know is how you were able to convince Sprint to upgrade you and give you a monthly supply of replacement phones. That is what I call negotiating!

The Note 7 is DEAD says Sprint and Samsung

BTW FOLKS next update knocks us off the networks. They are killing the phone. On phone with escalations depts for sprint and samsung all night 4+ hours and they are basically saying to buy an s7 instead of the note 7 and then buy the new phone if/when it comes out.
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And you are surprised by this? It has been reported this was coming.
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I'm wondering what you were trying to accomplish. Did you think you could talk them out of it? Bite the bullet. Should be some great deals this weekend in the S7E. I think tmobile is basically giving them away on contract.
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Did you actually just tried to convince them not to kill the phone over the phone?

mooncraterx said:
On phone with escalations depts for sprint and samsung all night 4+ hours and they are basically saying to buy an s7 instead of the note 7 and then buy the new phone if/when it comes out.
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Were you trying to get them to cut you a deal? Like committing to let you move to a S7 Edge and then guarantee that you can move for free to whatever Samsung phone you want in 2017? Multibillion dollar companies don't cut one-off side deals when they have millions of customers. They can barely sell and support what they do offer and that their systems are designed to process.
In the U.S. the deal is you get your money back for your Note7 and $100 off via a bill credit if you stay with Samsung; $25 off if you don't. That's the deal and it's not going to get sweeter because they aren't going to reward hold outs for being hold outs. That would only piss the people who "did the right thing" off even further after having to exchange phones once, maybe twice, and ending up with something they may not have wanted. Based on comments made by the Samsung VP heading the U.S. there may be something down the road in terms of an offer on the 2017 phones for those that endured the debacle that was the Note7. That has nothing to do with Sprint, isn't being committed to now, and may or may not happen depending on where the Samsung brand stands in the spring.
So the choice boils down to exchange your Note7 and take your lumps or hold on to it until it become a collectable. I know some are trying to keep their Note7 until the 2017 phones come out but that may be problematic if Samsung imposes a year-end deadline for Note7 exchanges. I would if I were them. They want the phone out of people's hands and hold outs aren't their friends their problems.

This phone was going to be my last phone purchase and its halfway paid off.. now i have to buy another phone instead and wait sometime in the future to get the phone i actually want and start all over to pay? Well yes your right the corps screw the people and this is just one example because they messed it up. The people always pay not the corporations.
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Were you trying to get them to cut you a deal? Like committing to let you move to a S7 Edge and then guarantee that you can move for free to whatever Samsung phone you want in 2017? Multibillion dollar companies don't cut one-off side deals when they have millions of customers. They can barely sell and support what they do offer and that their systems are designed to process.
In the U.S. the deal is you get your money back for your Note7 and $100 off via a bill credit if you stay with Samsung; $25 off if you don't. That's the deal and it's not going to get sweeter because they aren't going to reward hold outs for being hold outs. That would only piss the people who "did the right thing" off even further after having to exchange phones once, maybe twice, and ending up with something they may not have wanted. Based on comments made by the Samsung VP heading the U.S. there may be something down the road in terms of an offer on the 2017 phones for those that endured the debacle that was the Note7. That has nothing to do with Sprint, isn't being committed to now, and may or may not happen depending on where the Samsung brand stands in the spring.
So the choice boils down to exchange your Note7 and take your lumps or hold on to it until it become a collectable. I know some are trying to keep their Note7 until the 2017 phones come out but that may be problematic if Samsung imposes a year-end deadline for Note7 exchanges. I would if I were them. They want the phone out of people's hands and hold outs aren't their friends their problems.
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mooncraterx said:
This phone was going to be my last phone purchase and its halfway paid off.. now i have to buy another phone instead and wait sometime in the future to get the phone i actually want and start all over to pay? Well yes your right the corps screw the people and this is just one example because they messed it up. The people always pay not the corporations.
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Think you're alone? People who bought third party or grey market are still trying to figure out how to either exchange or refund. What about people that bought accessories that are now useless and can't be refunded? What about people that used an upgrade (lease or contract) who left a phone they might have been happy with to end up with a phone they wouldn't have wasted an upgrade on?
There's a thousand tales in the cold city. Lamenting what happened isn't going to change it. I personally think Samsung U.S. will come out with some sort of program for former Note7 owners to get in to a 2017 phone more cheaply. But right now we're stuck with the hand we were dealt.

So what. The Note8 model number has leaked. Wait a few months for the N950 and stop crying

mooncraterx said:
BTW FOLKS next update knocks us off the networks. They are killing the phone. On phone with escalations depts for sprint and samsung all night 4+ hours and they are basically saying to buy an s7 instead of the note 7 and then buy the new phone if/when it comes out.
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You can install a coustom rom and change the model number in the buildpro to that of s7 edge

BarryH_GEG said:
I know some are trying to keep their Note7 until the 2017 phones come out but that may be problematic if Samsung imposes a year-end deadline for Note7 exchanges. I would if I were them. They want the phone out of people's hands and hold outs aren't their friends their problems.
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I don't think so.
Fit for purpose? No.
Satisfactory Quality? No.
As described? No.
I don't know about the US specifically but here in the UK, goods must meet those minimum standards or the vendor MUST give you your money back, give you a repair, or give you compensation. And if they don't you can sue them in what would be a 2 minute hearing before the judge awards in your favour. I'd be EXTREMELY surprised if similar consumer protection legislation did not exist in the US.
So Samsung / Sprint / Verizon / whoever will have to take a Note7 back when someone chooses to return it. Unless Samsung change their minds and decide that it's (a) safe, (b) reliable and (c) they switch the battery charging back to 100%. If they don't confirm/do all those things, you can give it back for a refund pretty much whenever you like. They cannot say, "sorry it's too late, you've had your chance" unless they make good the phone.
Samsung lost any rights to get "arsey" over late returns, the moment they started ****ing with our phones.

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IAnd if they don't you can sue them in what would be a 2 minute hearing before the judge awards in your favour.
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Out of curiosity, what reason would you provide to the judge for not availing yourself of offered remedies and intentionally holding on to a device deemed hazardous for months longer than you should have or needed to?
By the end of the year some of the things previously discussed (Samsung Account blocking, Play Services blocking, and IMEI blocking) are likely to be in place which will push all but the diehard hold outs off the Note7 and on to something else. Once some combination of those things are in place only 1-2% of Note7's will be unaccounted for. At that point Samsung will most likely care less about what happens to those remaining phones or the people clinging to them. With all that said good luck suing a multibillion dollar corporation in the UK or U.S. And no consumer protection agency in the world is going to defend someone's right to use a hazardous device for months longer than they should have. Like the title of this thread says, "The Note 7 is DEAD." And so is Samsung's caring about those that continue to defy the recall.

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Out of curiosity, what reason would you provide to the judge for not availing yourself of offered remedies and intentionally holding on to a device deemed hazardous for months longer than you should have or needed to?
By the end of the year some of the things previously discussed (Samsung Account blocking, Play Services blocking, and IMEI blocking) are likely to be in place which will push all but the diehard hold outs off the Note7 and on to something else. Once some combination of those things are in place only 1-2% of Note7's will be unaccounted for. At that point Samsung will most likely care less about what happens to those remaining phones or the people clinging to them. With all that said good luck suing a multibillion dollar corporation in the UK or U.S. And no consumer protection agency in the world is going to defend someone's right to use a hazardous device for months longer than they should have. Like the title of this thread says, "The Note 7 is DEAD." And so is Samsung's caring about those that continue to defy the recall.
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You're clearly not conversant at all with UK law.
First, Samsung have few obligations to the consumer here in the UK, unless they sold you the phone. Their only obligations relate to the warranty. I could go on about their obligations under the warranty, but I can't be bothered and anyway I don't need to because of point two.
Second, in the UK, your contract is with your seller and it is the seller who is responsible for the goods meeting the requirements of the Consumer Contracts regulations as I stated above. These obligations last for 6 years and are unconditional.
So, to answer your question as to what reason I would give to a judge, I wouldn't need to give a reason. I could say I lent it to my pet Panda who wouldn't return it. Or that I was using it as a shaving mirror. Or I could say nothing at all.
It would never go to court in the UK, because the seller knows this and knows they would lose instantly.
Remember, this is a *voluntary* recall. It is entirely the consumers' choice whether they wish to return the phone or not. The phone if already "Not of satisfactory quality", since Samsung have told us so. Now that Samsung have messed with the phone and installed this 60% charging limit, they have made the phone "Not as described", since it is sold as having a battery of 3,500 mAH capacity and now it does not. If the carriers block the phone, then it is "Not fit for purpose". Basically the phone fails ALL of the consumer protection tests, and the consumer can return it whenever they want.
Let me ask you a question: Let's suppose it went to court and the consumer says, I was sold this $1,000 phone which is (a) dangerous, (b) doesn't charge to 100% and (c) can't make phone calls and I want my money back. And Verizon's (or whoever the seller is) response is "well you had your chance to replace it so tough". Do you *honestly* think a judge would say OK then Verizon you're off the hook? Really???
And another thing. Why are you so worked up about people keeping their phones, when it's got **** all to do with you? Just curious. I am not planning on keeping mine in perpetuity, but I will hang on to it so long as it works and as late as possible so I have to wait as little time as possible before switching to an S8. Why does this offend you SO much that you have to keep visiting this forum telling people the phone is DEAD? I find your behaviour bizarre to be honest.

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And another thing. Why are you so worked up about people keeping their phones, when it's got **** all to do with you? Just curious.
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I could care less what you do. You and others that want to keep your phones are on the wrong side of history. The phone's been recalled and deemed unsafe and Samsung's offered refunds and exchanges to get them out of people's hands. Every website known to man is questioning the sanity and rationale of those holding on to their Note7's in the stories published about the progress of the recall. That's the world view, not mine.
This is a quote from Samsung (emphasis mine). Does it sound like they care about the "feelings" of people refusing to participate in the refund and exchange program?
As of today, nearly 85 percent of all recalled Galaxy Note7 devices have been replaced through the U.S. Note7 Refund and Exchange Program, with the majority of the participants opting to receive another Samsung smartphone.
We remain focused on collecting the outstanding Galaxy Note7 phones in the market. To further drive participation, we will be releasing a software update in the coming days that will limit the phone’s ability to charge beyond 60 percent, as well as issue a reminder pop-up notification every time a consumer charges, reboots or turns on the screen of their Note7 device.​
Here's the front page of this forum. Feel the desperation of those trying to pretend what's happening with the Note7 isn't happening or can be avoided? It's only going to get worse. If you take a step back you'll realize you're really not angry with me or anyone else here. You're angry at an inevitable situation you can't control.

BarryH_GEG said:
I could care less what you do. You and others that want to keep your phones are on the wrong side of history. The phone's been recalled and deemed unsafe and Samsung's offered refunds and exchanges to get them out of people's hands. Every website known to man is questioning the sanity and rationale of those holding on to their Note7's in the stories published about the progress of the recall. That's the world view, not mine.
This is a quote from Samsung (emphasis mine). Does it sound like they care about the "feelings" of people refusing to participate in the refund and exchange program?
As of today, nearly 85 percent of all recalled Galaxy Note7 devices have been replaced through the U.S. Note7 Refund and Exchange Program, with the majority of the participants opting to receive another Samsung smartphone.
We remain focused on collecting the outstanding Galaxy Note7 phones in the market. To further drive participation, we will be releasing a software update in the coming days that will limit the phone’s ability to charge beyond 60 percent, as well as issue a reminder pop-up notification every time a consumer charges, reboots or turns on the screen of their Note7 device.​
Here's the front page of this forum. Feel the desperation of those trying to pretend what's happening with the Note7 isn't happening or can be avoided? It's only going to get worse. If you take a step back you'll realize you're really not angry with me or anyone else here. You're angry at an inevitable situation you can't control.
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I'm not angry with you, I just find your posts very sad. Like this one above. All that effort typing rubbish about something you don't care about. You must have a lot of time on your hands. For all your protestations about it being "the world's view, not mine", it very clearly bothers you or you wouldn't keep banging on and on about it.
And as I say, Samsung can remain as focused as they like. I'll hand MY phone over when I want to, and not before. And I'll receive a full refund when I do. I am really not concerned how Samsung "feel" about it. I am enjoying using my phone which is working *perfectly* and I shall continue to do so.

Samsung and all the phone companies are doing damage control in social media.... remember that lol.
The whole situation is unprecedented but bottom line the recall is bs in general. these are not dangerous devices the devices are being pulled because they are TOO GOOD. that is the reason. If every product that failed at .0001% were recalled the store shelves everywhere would be EMPTY! The note 8 will have battery nerf for sure on it!
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I'm not angry with you, I just find your posts very sad. Like this one above. All that effort typing rubbish about something you don't care about. You must have a lot of time on your hands. For all your protestations about it being "the world's view, not mine", it very clearly bothers you or you wouldn't keep banging on and on about it.
And as I say, Samsung can remain as focused as they like. I'll hand MY phone over when I want to, and not before. And I'll receive a full refund when I do. I am really not concerned how Samsung "feel" about it. I am enjoying using my phone which is working *perfectly* and I shall continue to do so.
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Everyone of you have valid points. Realistically sammy made the choice for a recall in order to avoid massive lawsuits across the globe. My brother works for a top law firm and we talked about this and he said owners could and can still file for a heavy lawsuit which can help owners with better options rather than the current given.
Would be nice if people all over the world who own the device to stand up together against the corporation. That would also include not spending on any of the products they sell. If that was done for at least a month the message would be clear as they would lose revnue as well as stock market gains. Sorry if i blabbed on too much.

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I'm not angry with you, I just find your posts very sad. Like this one above. All that effort typing rubbish about something you don't care about. You must have a lot of time on your hands. For all your protestations about it being "the world's view, not mine", it very clearly bothers you or you wouldn't keep banging on and on about it.
And as I say, Samsung can remain as focused as they like. I'll hand MY phone over when I want to, and not before. And I'll receive a full refund when I do. I am really not concerned how Samsung "feel" about it. I am enjoying using my phone which is working *perfectly* and I shall continue to do so.
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So you are going to get yet another thread closed?
Why don't you understand that no one cares what you do with your phone. No one.
What peeves me with you is the way you insist on your rights of ownership that no one is attacking yet you constantly try to stifle threads where others, who are equally free to speak, desire to debate?
What you write about UK law is only part true. No court in the UK would find for you knowing Samsung and its retailers have been doing all they can to get the phones recalled. Samsung made a bloomer. Samsung corrected it with an international recall.
If you went to court.....No I will stop at that. Please go to court and then let us know the outcome.
Ryland

Ryland Johnson said:
So you are going to get yet another thread closed?
Why don't you understand that no one cares what you do with your phone. No one.
What peeves me with you is the way you insist on your rights of ownership that no one is attacking yet you constantly try to stifle threads where others, who are equally free to speak, desire to debate?
What you write about UK law is only part true. No court in the UK would find for you knowing Samsung and its retailers have been doing all they can to get the phones recalled. Samsung made a bloomer. Samsung corrected it with an international recall.
If you went to court.....No I will stop at that. Please go to court and then let us know the outcome.
Ryland
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No-one cares??? That's a ****ing laugh. Have you missed the 500 posts saying anyone who chooses to keep their phone is an idiot / moron / psychopath etc.
I am not denying anyone any right of free speech Ryland. On the contrary, are you suggesting I don't have the right to question others about why they feel the need to slander anyone who wants to keep their phone for a while? How bloody ironic.
You might notice that I am not the only person who feels like they are being attacked constantly, btw. It's a recurring them on this forum and it's VERY tiresome.
And this "court" nonsense. Of course it would never go to court. I will take my phone back to CPW in December or January or whenever and they will give me a refund. End of. Sorry to disappoint you.
If my posts irritate you, PLEASE put me on your ignore list. You do not have to read them you know.

Chippy_boy said:
No-one cares??? That's a ****ing laugh. Have you missed the 500 posts saying anyone who chooses to keep their phone is an idiot / moron / psychopath etc.
I am not denying anyone any right of free speech Ryland. On the contrary, are you suggesting I don't have the right to question others about why they feel the need to slander anyone who wants to keep their phone for a while? How bloody ironic.
You might notice that I am not the only person who feels like they are being attacked constantly, btw. It's a recurring them on this forum and it's VERY tiresome.
And this "court" nonsense. Of course it would never go to court. I will take my phone back to CPW in December or January or whenever and they will give me a refund. End of. Sorry to disappoint you.
If my posts irritate you, PLEASE put me on your ignore list. You do not have to read them you know.
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I notice that today you have been rude to a non English speaker about his spelling of the word "Analysis" Yet YOU, an English born speaker, write the word theme as "them"? Double standards.
In a major way my debate with you is not about the Note 7 but about your crusade for the right to keep ones freedom of ownership while stifling thread after thread, even to the point of thread closure, that no one has the freedom to debate things you disagree with here! That causes me concern with you. Freedoms apply both ways. Politeness also costs nothing.
Ryland :good:

General *** READ BEFORE TRADING IN YOUR DEVICE WHEN BUYING PIXEL 6 / 6 PRO ***

This is a simple BUYER BEWARE Public Service Announcement about using Google's TRADE-IN process when buying their device.
I pre-ordered my Pixel 6 Pro early and chose the trade-in route with my Pixel 5.
During the trade-in process I was quoted $405 if my device 1) turned on, 2) wasn't cracked, and 3) was factory reset. My P5 is in mint condition so I sent it in and Google's third party partner handing trade-ins received it November 22nd.
The assessment process is supposed to take 3-5 days. They send you a link to watch the progress of your trade-in. After two weeks of my progress sitting on "Assessing your device" I tried contacting Google customer service.
At least with the trade-in process, Google's customer service is non-existent! After hours and hours of searching and trying to reach a human being, it never happened. Automated Q&A at best, if you make the "right" selections you MIGHT end up with a chat window and a two hour wait (only happened once and it made ZERO difference).
Honestly, once you send in your device for trade-in, you are 100% at their mercy on whether you get a refund or not.
I read where one Xda member said they sent in a Pixel 5 and was told Google received a Pixel 2 XL and was refunded the $40 value of a Pixel 2 XL, instead of the several hundred they were quoted for their Pixel 5. I was skeptical of this claim until I ran into Google's terrible customer service. There is NO recourse, no rebuttal, there is nothing you can do (short of a civil lawsuit) if they claim you sent in a burrito instead of a pristine device!
I waited 43 days, and received 16 emails (each with the canned response "their special team is looking into the issue") before I finally received an answer.
Just yesterday, January 4th, I received the email that I will be refunded $439.
Needless to say I will NEVER, EVER trade-in with Google again. My Pixel 5 in mint condition was only fetching $450-ish on Swappa, so it made sense to go the "easier" Google trade-in route.
I. WILL. NOT. MAKE. THAT. MISTAKE. AGAIN.
Do your research, and make sure you understand ALL the details of Google trade-in BEFORE you send your device to them.

I had a similar issue with OnePlus tradein. I trade in a 'perfect' device (clean, absolutely not a single scratch, etc). Was quoted 320 euro. Sent the device to the trade-in partner. They claimed the device still contained my Google account (despite me having removed the account and factory-reset before I sent it). Zillions of mails and online support chats.
"Don't worry ... it will be solved sir ..."
Every single time had another support guy on mail/chat and had to repeat the same story over and over again.
Yeah right. After 4 months of trying and posting the story daily on OnePlus social media, threatening with legal action, even filing a police complaint, they simply decided to pay me 30 euro and that was the end of the story. After that they simply refused to accept any further mails/chats despite my formal complaint that I did not accept their offer.
No official reaction ever form OnePlus.
At the end, I was so tired of it that I "gave up".
Hearing your story, just wanted to post this here as well.
I don't even know with which obscure trade-in partner I was dealing with. They never wanted to reveal their true identity and kept hiding behind OnePlus despite them handling all online Q&A.
(apologies for slight off-topic)

Az Biker said:
This is a simple BUYER BEWARE Public Service Announcement about using Google's TRADE-IN process when buying their device.
I pre-ordered my Pixel 6 Pro early and chose the trade-in route with my Pixel 5.
During the trade-in process I was quoted $405 if my device 1) turned on, 2) wasn't cracked, and 3) was factory reset. My P5 is in mint condition so I sent it in and Google's third party partner handing trade-ins received it November 22nd.
The assessment process is supposed to take 3-5 days. They send you a link to watch the progress of your trade-in. After two weeks of my progress sitting on "Assessing your device" I tried contacting Google customer service.
At least with the trade-in process, Google's customer service is non-existent! After hours and hours of searching and trying to reach a human being, it never happened. Automated Q&A at best, if you make the "right" selections you MIGHT end up with a chat window and a two hour wait (only happened once and it made ZERO difference).
Honestly, once you send in your device for trade-in, you are 100% at their mercy on whether you get a refund or not.
I read where one Xda member said they sent in a Pixel 5 and was told Google received a Pixel 2 XL and was refunded the $40 value of a Pixel 2 XL, instead of the several hundred they were quoted for their Pixel 5. I was skeptical of this claim until I ran into Google's terrible customer service. There is NO recourse, no rebuttal, there is nothing you can do (short of a civil lawsuit) if they claim you sent in a burrito instead of a pristine device!
I waited 43 days, and received 16 emails (each with the canned response "their special team is looking into the issue") before I finally received an answer.
Just yesterday, January 4th, I received the email that I will be refunded $439.
Needless to say I will NEVER, EVER trade-in with Google again. My Pixel 5 in mint condition was only fetching $450-ish on Swappa, so it made sense to go the "easier" Google trade-in route.
I. WILL. NOT. MAKE. THAT. MISTAKE. AGAIN.
Do your research, and make sure you understand ALL the details of Google trade-in BEFORE you send your device to them.
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Sorry you had to go through the dysfunctional world known as Go0gle, but sage advice.

I'm actually on chat with google right now regarding my P4XL trade in for the P6P. It delivered a week ago, but they say "waiting to receive your trade in".

I read a thread yesterday were the poster was complaining about returning his phone and receiving a replacement and the clusterfuc# it had become. I replied and I'll say the same thing here. It's not just Google. Insert any company name and you can tell the same story. In this era of covid and people not wanting to work and supply issues it is just a mess everywhere. We order parts here and they don't arrive, or the wrong one show up and we call customer service and it's a shi$ show every time.

shiftr182 said:
I'm actually on chat with google right now regarding my P4XL trade in for the P6P. It delivered a week ago, but they say "waiting to receive your trade in".
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Get ready for the ride!
You'll start receiving emails like this every third day:
Dec 10th
Hi Az Biker,
Thank You for contacting Google Support!
This is a follow up email as per our conversation over chat regarding Trade-in refund. I would like to inform you that I’m consulting with our product experts and they’re actively working on a resolution. I’ll keep you updated within 24-48 hours.
I appreciate your continued patience and cooperation in this matter.
In case you have any other query please feel free to reply to the same email, I will be happy to help you.
Thanks!
David
The Google Support Team
Jan 3rd
Hi Az Biker,
Thank you for contacting Google Support Team!
We really apologize for the inconvenience caused to you. I can understand your situation. This is something that we do not want our customers to experience. I request you to please wait for the update from our specialist team. Once there is an update, we will get back to you soon.
I appreciate your continued patience and cooperation in this matter.
In case you have any other query please feel free to reply to the same email, I will be happy to help you.
Thanks!
David
The Google Support Team
Every email in between said the same thing. I started to feel like my device was lost or stolen and they were just looking for a way to put it back on me.
I think the delivery notification held them to the fire, as it was already in their possession.
Hopefully everything works out for you. Report back here when you get an update.

Hahaha! Just got the first one! I was in the same boat as you.... my P4XL was only worth around $250 or so on Swappa, and after you factor in Paypal, Swappa, shipping, etc. I opted to just trade in for $209 or something. I guess we'll just wait and see. If I would have known it was going to take that long I probably would have just kept it as an extra.

shiftr182 said:
I probably would have just kept it as an extra.
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That's what I did with my OP8. It was worth more to me as a backup than what I could sell it for. And personally the last thing I would do is trade it in because of exactly stories like these. I mean I don't want to offend anyone but what were you expecting? To me that course of action had clusterfuc+ written all over it.

Atlest there is a possibility that you might get some money, the trade in solution where i live will pay you 400$ at the top for a brand new iPhone 13 Pro Max, like that is gonna happen.

android_dan said:
That's what I did with my OP8. It was worth more to me as a backup than what I could sell it for. And personally the last thing I would do is trade it in because of exactly stories like these. I mean I don't want to offend anyone but what were you expecting? To me that course of action had clusterfuc+ written all over it.
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Lol, for me it was a way of swaying my wife into letting me get the P6P..... Google will pay me for my old phone

Az Biker said:
This is a simple BUYER BEWARE Public Service Announcement about using Google's TRADE-IN process when buying their device.
I pre-ordered my Pixel 6 Pro early and chose the trade-in route with my Pixel 5.
During the trade-in process I was quoted $405 if my device 1) turned on, 2) wasn't cracked, and 3) was factory reset. My P5 is in mint condition so I sent it in and Google's third party partner handing trade-ins received it November 22nd.
The assessment process is supposed to take 3-5 days. They send you a link to watch the progress of your trade-in. After two weeks of my progress sitting on "Assessing your device" I tried contacting Google customer service.
At least with the trade-in process, Google's customer service is non-existent! After hours and hours of searching and trying to reach a human being, it never happened. Automated Q&A at best, if you make the "right" selections you MIGHT end up with a chat window and a two hour wait (only happened once and it made ZERO difference).
Honestly, once you send in your device for trade-in, you are 100% at their mercy on whether you get a refund or not.
I read where one Xda member said they sent in a Pixel 5 and was told Google received a Pixel 2 XL and was refunded the $40 value of a Pixel 2 XL, instead of the several hundred they were quoted for their Pixel 5. I was skeptical of this claim until I ran into Google's terrible customer service. There is NO recourse, no rebuttal, there is nothing you can do (short of a civil lawsuit) if they claim you sent in a burrito instead of a pristine device!
I waited 43 days, and received 16 emails (each with the canned response "their special team is looking into the issue") before I finally received an answer.
Just yesterday, January 4th, I received the email that I will be refunded $439.
Needless to say I will NEVER, EVER trade-in with Google again. My Pixel 5 in mint condition was only fetching $450-ish on Swappa, so it made sense to go the "easier" Google trade-in route.
I. WILL. NOT. MAKE. THAT. MISTAKE. AGAIN.
Do your research, and make sure you understand ALL the details of Google trade-in BEFORE you send your device to them.
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wait. So you got more than you thought. All you really had to do was wait? That's what it is? So maybe with the omicron virus going around and no doubt affecting employees, as well as their families you should be a little more sensitive and put on the shoes of other people. You got your money, right? who cares that you waited and received a couple of confusing emails. Please understand that there is "real people" on the other end. With the way this world is right now my friend were lucky we even have customer service to begin with. We are on the edge of a cliff with one leg off in a full jump. So enjoy your refund.....count yourself lucky you got it.
Although this will undoubtedly piss people off, I am only being real.

I'm really to sorry to hear about that, @Az Biker. The other person you referenced in the OP was eventually successful as well, and received the proper credit, from what I remember.
I'm really glad I always choose to sell our old phones on Swappa, when I don't keep one as a spare. So far - knock on wood - the only negative experience I had on Swappa was buying a used Pixel 1 128 GB that was supposed to be Google Edition for ~$50. It was Verizon Edition, and I could've sent it back for a refund, but there was no way I was going to be able to get a Google Edition for that low, so no real biggee.

wulfgarfang said:
wait. So you got more than you thought. All you really had to do was wait? That's what it is? So maybe with the omicron virus going around and no doubt affecting employees, as well as their families you should be a little more sensitive and put on the shoes of other people. You got your money, right? who cares that you waited and received a couple of confusing emails. Please understand that there is "real people" on the other end. With the way this world is right now my friend were lucky we even have customer service to begin with. We are on the edge of a cliff with one leg off in a full jump. So enjoy your refund.....count yourself lucky you got it.
Although this will undoubtedly piss people off, I am only being real.
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I'm not ****ed off, but all he had to do was not just wait. It was contacting customer support on the not fun 200-year old rusting carousel of an experience umpteen times.
I wouldn't be happy with that happening to me, either.

wulfgarfang said:
So maybe with the omicron virus going around and no doubt affecting employees, as well as their families you should be a little more sensitive and put on the shoes of other people.
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Please, people need to stop with the "virus excuse". You don't need this lame excuse when you're being a cr*ppy customer service. This has nothing to do with the current situation.
Companies need to get their sh*t together and do what they're supposed to do. If I used the same excuse at my job, I don't think my manager or my company would care much for it.

roirraW edor ehT said:
I'm not ****ed off, but all he had to do was not just wait. It was contacting customer support on the not fun 200-year old rusting carousel of an experience umpteen times.
I wouldn't be happy with that happening to me, either.
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Yeah that was a ridiculous reply to a serious issue. How much time, effort and money was wasted on the myriad of contacts needed.
But that aside, I have an alternate reality... er experience. I have never had an issue sending in a device to either Google or Verizon and I've done it countless times be it a defect or a trade-in. Maybe luck of the draw. On my P5 trade I had the money in my account within a week of dropping it off at the PO. I didn't get the 4 bills plus but the quoted amount of $385 I think it was. I also got a beautiful refurb from a tier 2 CSR for a problem that was really not Google's. He was a really nice guy too. But that was before.
On Swappa, OTOH, I sold my mint P4 for a pretty fair price. The buyer bargained me down $60 and I said ah wft and sold it to him. Then I get an email with a telescopic picture of a slight rubbing along 1/8" where the case was. (an alcohol swab would have removed it) Still considered mint for all intents and purposes, I mean this was a gem. He said that rather than going thru a return if I gave him another $70 off he'd keep it. This is after paying for shipping, dropping the price, paying Swappa their fees, Paypal their fees so I reluctantly agreed but I'm sorry to this day that I did that. I believe this was hi MO but I did sort of let it go. Although I swore never again will I sell on Swappa. However, after this fiasco I might rethink keeping the device as a backup or figuring out a way to get it to Google where they can't claim this nonsense. But that's a year away about. Unless they come up with a face reader along with a FPR on the P7 which would make it oh.... 10 months? lol

I think really its the customer service thing... it is impossible to get ahold of anyone in customer service, and then your just waiting in limbo. The paperwork I received regarding my trade-in also said that it would be processed within 3 days of receiving. Its been a week since it delivered, and they still say that they are waiting to receive.

foobar66 said:
I had a similar issue with OnePlus tradein. I trade in a 'perfect' device (clean, absolutely not a single scratch, etc). Was quoted 320 euro. Sent the device to the trade-in partner. They claimed the device still contained my Google account (despite me having removed the account and factory-reset before I sent it). Zillions of mails and online support chats.
"Don't worry ... it will be solved sir ..."
Every single time had another support guy on mail/chat and had to repeat the same story over and over again.
Yeah right. After 4 months of trying and posting the story daily on OnePlus social media, threatening with legal action, even filing a police complaint, they simply decided to pay me 30 euro and that was the end of the story. After that they simply refused to accept any further mails/chats despite my formal complaint that I did not accept their offer.
No official reaction ever form OnePlus.
At the end, I was so tired of it that I "gave up".
Hearing your story, just wanted to post this here as well.
I don't even know with which obscure trade-in partner I was dealing with. They never wanted to reveal their true identity and kept hiding behind OnePlus despite them handling all online Q&A.
(apologies for slight off-topic)
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Dude that sucks! The hopeless feeling of doing everything right, then realizing you're just a number to them hits hard. That's what I was feeling. I'm like "I've purchased 6 top end smart phones from google and blah blah blah.. " then I realize I by myself am nothing to Google. Not in a militant, entitled bad way, but I'm just a bottom line number in ink.
wulfgarfang said:
wait. So you got more than you thought. All you really had to do was wait? That's what it is? So maybe with the omicron virus
going around and no doubt affecting employees, as well as their families you should be a little more sensitive and put on the shoes of other people. You got your money, right? who cares that you waited and received a couple of confusing emails. Please understand that there is "real people" on the other end. With the way this world is right now my friend were lucky we even have customer service to begin with. We are on the edge of a cliff with one leg off in a full jump. So enjoy your refund.....count yourself lucky you got it.
Although this will undoubtedly piss people off, I am only being real.
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I waited two weeks, ten business days, before I sent my first email asking what's up. That's patience enough in waiting twice as long as advertised.
If Google is facing greater trade-in times for whatever reason, they should update the 3-5 days stated on their website when you process the trade-in.
Not once did any of their correspondence mention delays related to COVID. This is Google over promising and under delivering. You're welcome to your own opinion.
I did everything I was asked within the time limitations, why should I ask anything different of Google?
Do you for a second think Google would "be patient and understanding" if you had waited 43 days after the trade-in period expired to send in your device? Not a chance.
If you drive through fast food, order a #4 combo, get to the window and they ask you to park in front. Thirty minutes later they bring out your food and say, be glad you got your food at all we've been short staffed for weeks due to COVID...You're fine with that? No, add a note about increased wait times on the menu so I know what I'm getting into BEFORE I commit myself.
BTW, customers are real people too, and instead of receiving a $400 dollar refund real people are charged interest while waiting 43 days for their refund or maybe real people were depending on that refund for other things.
Bottom line, you say I'll get my refund in X amount of time, either hold true to your advertising or update the X amount of time. It's called good business.
roirraW edor ehT said:
I'm really to sorry to hear about that, @Az Biker. The other person you referenced in the OP was eventually successful as well, and received the proper credit, from what I remember.
I'm really glad I always choose to sell our old phones on Swappa, when I don't keep one as a spare. So far - knock on wood - the only negative experience I had on Swappa was buying a used Pixel 1 128 GB that was supposed to be Google Edition for ~$50. It was Verizon Edition, and I could've sent it back for a refund, but there was no way I was going to be able to get a Google Edition for that low, so no real biggee.
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Yeah, I have always used SWAPPA until this time. SHAME ON ME Swappa karma got me good
Ghisy said:
Please, people need to stop with the "virus excuse". You don't need this lame excuse when you're being a cr*ppy customer service. This has nothing to do with the current situation.
Companies need to get their sh*t together and do what they're supposed to do. If I used the same excuse at my job, I don't think my manager or my company would care much for it.
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I realize in certain circumstances this exists. I moonlight as a mechanic at a local TREK bicycle shop and ordered a 2022 Slash 9.8 GX using my employee discount (20% off a pretty expensive bike). Ordered it in March 2021 received it November 23rd, 2021, as an employee, but customers were getting theirs first, so I get it.
These things are made overseas and shipping backlog, yada yada yada. So I'm not immune to understanding delays. But yeah, the canned "COVID delay" response is being abused way too much!
bobby janow said:
But that aside, I have an alternate reality... er experience. I have never had an issue sending in a device to either Google or Verizon and I've done it countless times be it a defect or a trade-in.
Maybe luck of the draw. On my P5 trade I had the money in my account within a week of dropping it off at the PO. I didn't get the 4 bills plus but the quoted amount of $385 I think it was. I also got a beautiful refurb from a tier 2 CSR for a problem that was really not Google's. He was a really nice guy too. But that was before.
On Swappa, OTOH, I sold my mint P4 for a pretty fair price. The buyer bargained me down $60 and I said ah wft and sold it to him. Then I get an email with a telescopic picture of a slight rubbing along 1/8" where the case was. (an alcohol swab would have removed it) Still considered mint for all intents and purposes, I mean this was a gem. He said that rather than going thru a return if I gave him another $70 off he'd keep it. This is after paying for shipping, dropping the price, paying Swappa their fees, Paypal their fees so I reluctantly agreed but I'm sorry to this day that I did that. I believe this was hi MO but I did sort of let it go. Although I swore never again will I sell on Swappa. However, after this fiasco I might rethink keeping the device as a backup or figuring out a way to get it to Google where they can't claim this nonsense. But that's a year away about. Unless they come up with a face reader along with a FPR on the P7 which would make it oh.... 10 months? lol
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Yes. Swappa can burn a lot of time and knit-pickers can suck the life out of hoping for humanity, but I've been fortunate with the 4 or 5 devices I've sold on Swappa, and back in the day when turning in devices to VZW for an upgrade I never really had any issues.
What really burned by britches about Google was their canned "we're looking into it" emails. Really felt like I was gonna get the ol' shaft on this transaction, with little to nothing I could do about it either way.
shiftr182 said:
I think really its the customer service thing... it is impossible to get ahold of anyone in customer service, and then your just waiting in limbo. The paperwork I received regarding my trade-in also said that it would be processed within 3 days of receiving. Its been a week since it delivered, and they still say that they are waiting to receive.
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I waited until the link showed they received the device before I started counting days. After ten business days, I started sending emails. Luckily I don't need the refund money per se (like depend on it) as others might be, but I did have it in mind to spend on last minute Christmas gifts to add to the kid's pile
android_dan said:
That's what I did with my OP8. It was worth more to me as a backup than what I could sell it for. And personally the last thing I would do is trade it in because of exactly stories like these. I mean I don't want to offend anyone but what were you expecting? To me that course of action had clusterfuc+ written all over it.
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Maybe I was naïve in thinking that Google was big enough to meet their marketing and quoted timeframe. I had never been given a reason to doubt Google in the past with all the transactions I've done through their store. Trust me, I won't be making that mistake again

I'll let you guys decide who is Google and who is the consumer
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bobby janow said:
On Swappa, OTOH, I sold my mint P4 for a pretty fair price. The buyer bargained me down $60 and I said ah wft and sold it to him. Then I get an email with a telescopic picture of a slight rubbing along 1/8" where the case was. (an alcohol swab would have removed it) Still considered mint for all intents and purposes, I mean this was a gem. He said that rather than going thru a return if I gave him another $70 off he'd keep it. This is after paying for shipping, dropping the price, paying Swappa their fees, Paypal their fees so I reluctantly agreed but I'm sorry to this day that I did that. I believe this was hi MO but I did sort of let it go. Although I swore never again will I sell on Swappa. However, after this fiasco I might rethink keeping the device as a backup or figuring out a way to get it to Google where they can't claim this nonsense. But that's a year away about. Unless they come up with a face reader along with a FPR on the P7 which would make it oh.... 10 months? lol
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That sucks! I learned when I sold our two Note 10+'s after we received our P6Ps that what I think is Mint is not, but I learned that before my posting was even approved, so I downgraded my listings to "Good". In my case, it was mostly slight damage around the charging port from where relatively blind attempts to plug the USB-C cable in took some trial and error.
Similarly, when I've really taken a good look at the outside of my door locks that were new three years ago, I can really see just much I missed the locks slightly with my keys. I wasn't happy the phones weren't mint - they'd been in OtterBox Defenders with tempered glass screen protectors since day one, but I still got nearly as much as mint models sold for on Swappa.
I also never, ever give a reduced price anymore no matter what. Take it or leave it. Every time I have (for other things in other places than Swappa), I end up regretting it, so I never do on Swappa. Basically, folks asking if they can get any $ off for any reason are just scammers themselves. Sure, there may be a few relatively innocents in there with valid reasons, but I've never been lucky enough to sell to ones like that. Relatively innocent folks don't ask for amounts off the price in my admittedly reasonably limited experience.
I have no idea how many phones I've sold on Swappa as they must only keep records for so long, or they wiped them out at some point because it's only showing the two Note 10+'s I sold a couple of months ago. I know I sold at least two or more other phones previously. I've bought two phones from there too, and as I said before, the only problem I had once was someone listed a Verizon Edition Pixel 1 as if it was a Google Edition, and it was a $50 phone so can't really beat that. It was just a spare phone at the time, anyway.
Now eBay...that's another subject. I'll never sell anything outside the country on eBay again. After years of avoiding it, about 8 years ago I thought what the heck, I'll try it. Scammed. I got my money first but had to lose my ~15-year old eBay account.
I normally don't buy new phones until the old one isn't supported anymore, so by the time I'd sell them they're not worth hardly anything, and I keep them as spares. I should find a way to donate some old phones, and only keep my two favorite (Pixel 1's) as spares.
Az Biker said:
Yeah, I have always used SWAPPA until this time. SHAME ON ME Swappa karma got me good
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LOL! Laughing, and crying.

roirraW edor ehT said:
That sucks! I learned when I sold our two Note 10+'s after we received our P6Ps that what I think is Mint is not, but I learned that before my posting was even approved, so I downgraded my listings to "Good". In my case, it was mostly slight damage around the charging port from where relatively blind attempts to plug the USB-C cable in took some trial and error.
Similarly, when I've really taken a good look at the outside of my door locks that were new three years ago, I can really see just much I missed the locks slightly with my keys. I wasn't happy the phones weren't mint - they'd been in OtterBox Defenders with tempered glass screen protectors since day one, but I still got nearly as much as mint models sold for on Swappa.
I also never, ever give a reduced price anymore no matter what. Take it or leave it. Every time I have (for other things in other places than Swappa), I end up regretting it, so I never do on Swappa. Basically, folks asking if they can get any $ off for any reason are just scammers themselves. Sure, there may be a few relatively innocents in there with valid reasons, but I've never been lucky enough to sell to ones like that. Relatively innocent folks don't ask for amounts off the price in my admittedly reasonably limited experience.
I have no idea how many phones I've sold on Swappa as they must only keep records for so long, or they wiped them out at some point because it's only showing the two Note 10+'s I sold a couple of months ago. I know I sold at least two or more other phones previously. I've bought two phones from there too, and as I said before, the only problem I had once was someone listed a Verizon Edition Pixel 1 as if it was a Google Edition, and it was a $50 phone so can't really beat that. It was just a spare phone at the time, anyway.
Now eBay...that's another subject. I'll never sell anything outside the country on eBay again. After years of avoiding it, about 8 years ago I thought what the heck, I'll try it. Scammed. I got my money first but had to lose my ~15-year old eBay account.
I normally don't buy new phones until the old one isn't supported anymore, so by the time I'd sell them they're not worth hardly anything, and I keep them as spares. I should find a way to donate some old phones, and only keep my two favorite (Pixel 1's) as spares.
LOL! Laughing, and crying.
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Now you tell me. Lol. It was a learning experience for sure. I'll take your good advice in the future. I usually keep my devices but these last two I unloaded. I swore off Swappa but with your experiences I think I can safely crawl back. Thanks. But I'm still p'od that I let him get away with that. I should have known better. But it's time to let it go and well.. (smack) I needed that.