Interesting.....
Some Windows Phones have a Secure Digital (SD) card that's used to expand the amount of storage space on the phone. If your phone has one, it's in an SD card slot underneath the battery cover on the back of your phone.
Windows Phone uses a special high–performance SD card that works differently than SD cards in other devices. When your phone is built and first set up, its internal storage and SD card are combined and recognized as one storage system.
Warning
You should not remove the SD card in your phone or replace it with a new one because your Windows Phone won't work properly. Existing data on the phone may be lost, and that SD card can't be used in other devices or Windows Phones.
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Seems pretty bogus to me that they're unique to WP7 mechanically. Maybe just the file system is special? Should allow upgrading/replacing I would think.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/basics/sd-cards-and-my-phone.aspx
RustyGrom said:
Interesting.....
Seems pretty bogus to me that they're unique to WP7 mechanically. Maybe just the file system is special? Should allow upgrading/replacing I would think.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/basics/sd-cards-and-my-phone.aspx
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yes you could but would have to re-flash your rom.
rruffman said:
yes you could but would have to re-flash your rom.
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Source? All we have is rumors but the MS page implies that it's not that easy.
I figure you might get a chance to swap the card properly before first boot, i.e. right after unboxing.
--edit: On the other hand, might these be those new SD cards with additional contacts to allow very highspeed IO. (new UHS-I standard)
Tom Servo said:
I figure you might get a chance to swap the card properly before first boot, i.e. right after unboxing.
--edit: On the other hand, might these be those new SD cards with additional contacts to allow very highspeed IO. (new UHS-I standard)
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yes they are so if you get your hands on one then you are correct before boot 1st time or if you reflash your phone. i read it on a few blogs awhile back will have to find it again and repost it here...
RustyGrom said:
Interesting.....
Seems pretty bogus to me that they're unique to WP7 mechanically. Maybe just the file system is special? Should allow upgrading/replacing I would think.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/basics/sd-cards-and-my-phone.aspx
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The cards themselves might not be that special other than having a correct SN range or something. The Barnes and Noble NOOK which runs android does this. The main on board memory is a microsd card that you can actually pull if you rip your nook apart, but it wont accept other microsd's even if they were cloned from the original card.
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The cards themselves might not be that special other than having a correct SN range or something. The Barnes and Noble NOOK which runs android does this. The main on board memory is a microsd card that you can actually pull if you rip your nook apart, but it wont accept other microsd's even if they were cloned from the original card.
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Interesting. Thanks. I guess the difference here is that WP7 is made by a bunch of different people so it would be harder to code in this sort of restriction.
Just saw this in an article about the Samsung Focus...
It's also the only Windows Phone that can expand with memory cards, according to an AT&T spokesman.
All the new Windows Phone 7's work similarly, as they're all based on Qualcomm's 1-GHz QSD8250 chipset with very similar hardware stats, including HSDPA 7.2, Wi-Fi, and a 5-megapixel camera. The Focus has 8GB of memory built in, but an AT&T spokesman at the launch said a MicroSD card up to 32GB could be added, provided you factory reset the phone when you do. If that's true, the Focus can expand up to 40GB.
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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2370586,00.asp
Pocketnow is concurring that WP7 supports upgrading the card.
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/windows-phone-7-does-support-removable-storage-proof
I have a request.
ANYONE who is lucky enogh to get their hands on a WP7 device. If possible, check if there is a memory card uner the battery.
I do not understand what the **** MS is doing. Currently there's only one phone on the market with more than 8GB storage, and this will be rare, hard to get because I don't think I'm the only one that want one.
Sir. Haxalot said:
I have a request.
ANYONE who is lucky enogh to get their hands on a WP7 device. If possible, check if there is a memory card uner the battery.
I do not understand what the **** MS is doing. Currently there's only one phone on the market with more than 8GB storage, and this will be rare, hard to get because I don't think I'm the only one that want one.
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Blame it on the hardware vendor. MS state that the min is 8GB, so they all quickly built phones with 8GB naturally. There's no stopping them from building a 16 or 32GB. They should have figured out we'd spend a few more dollars to get those extra storage
Wandy_1974 said:
Blame it on the hardware vendor. MS state that the min is 8GB, so they all quickly built phones with 8GB naturally. There's no stopping them from building a 16 or 32GB. They should have figured out we'd spend a few more dollars to get those extra storage
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This is true, I am in love with what Microsoft have made, but they have been let down badly by the hardware manufacturers. I really hope there is options for more storage ie like the iphone when they go on sale and the 8gb models where just used for showing of the handsets. One bit of hope for this is that the storage capacity is not shown on the wp7 websites handset specs. I would kill for a 16/32gb mozart or omnia 7.
lumpaywk said:
This is true, I am in love with what Microsoft have made, but they have been let down badly by the hardware manufacturers. I really hope there is options for more storage ie like the iphone when they go on sale and the 8gb models where just used for showing of the handsets. One bit of hope for this is that the storage capacity is not shown on the wp7 websites handset specs. I would kill for a 16/32gb mozart or omnia 7.
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I want 16GB min but hoping to have the option for 32GB +. Hope they wake up soon as I love the look of winm7.
But without better storage, I will not be upgrading anytime soon.
Wandy_1974 said:
Blame it on the hardware vendor. MS state that the min is 8GB, so they all quickly built phones with 8GB naturally.
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Well, since this isn't surprising anyone then I think MS could have expected it. And I will still blame them because they didn't make 16GB the minimum.
lumpaywk said:
This is true, I am in love with what Microsoft have made, but they have been let down badly by the hardware manufacturers. I really hope there is options for more storage ie like the iphone when they go on sale and the 8gb models where just used for showing of the handsets. One bit of hope for this is that the storage capacity is not shown on the wp7 websites handset specs. I would kill for a 16/32gb mozart or omnia 7.
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the SAMSUNG FOCUS is currently the only phone that will allow for upgrading the storage you can simply insert your 32 gb sd card before youfirst start you phone on 40gb it is... or insert it at a later time and hard reset and you are good to go...
i would thus jump on the focus but alas i live in england and so we get the rubbish. It seems they are holding all the good handsets for the USA (by good i mean with more than 8gb storage). This is a real kick in the balls as i was hoping i wouldn't need to replace my stolen zune hd as i was going to get a wp7 but it would seem this will actually still have to be the case.
Saying this i did have a little hope with "the device can be picked up in 8GB and 16GB capacities." from http://www.mobiletor.com/2010/10/12/samsung-makes-a-mark-with-new-omnia-7-smartphone/ though tbh i once again don't think this will be the case in the uk.
16GB as a minimum sounds a little high. I am not sure who is really to blame for this storage fiasco, but how can they expect the multimedia users to work with only 8GB storage? And when I say they I mean phone makers and MS.
But an intriguing question would be why does one handset allow the removable storage to be upgraded and not the others?
So my question is about the type/class SD card that we can use to upgrade the Focus. I can only find an SDXC USH-I 64GB card for over $300. If the phone is using some kind of Raid 0 storage implementation, does it require a memory card that costs almost 50% more than the phone will cost?
What kind of SD card will the Focus require?
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So my question is about the type/class SD card that we can use to upgrade the Focus. I can only find an SDXC USH-I 64GB card for over $300. If the phone is using some kind of Raid 0 storage implementation, does it require a memory card that costs almost 50% more than the phone will cost?
What kind of SD card will the Focus require?
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microsoft did say something about "high speed" cards but did not give what they were.. however the focus will only support up to 32gb not sure why..
Sir. Haxalot said:
I have a request.
ANYONE who is lucky enogh to get their hands on a WP7 device. If possible, check if there is a memory card uner the battery.
I do not understand what the **** MS is doing. Currently there's only one phone on the market with more than 8GB storage, and this will be rare, hard to get because I don't think I'm the only one that want one.
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there are multiple phones with more than 8GB of storage on the market
Several Nokia N series have 32GB of storage N97 and N900 for example and both have the ability to add up to 32GB more
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I don't know if anyone has any knowledge about this but the official omnia7 website states 8/16gb. Does this mean we will get a choice like the iPhone or is this them just saying guess what America is getting more like HTC have done.
Omnia7 won't be released in the US.
I didn't realize this, thats good i guess limits this possibility though there is still the Asian market but lets hope. 16gb isn't a great deal but its enough for me where as 8 would mean a lot of sacrifice.
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Omnia7 won't be released in the US.
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The Omnia 7 is the equivalent of the Samsung Focus which is going to be released in the US. Like many phones, they have different names in different countries. Anyway, in the US it will be sold with 8GB and will be upgradeable to an additional 32GB for a total of 40GB by the user. The internal memory is upgradeable but not removeable and will require a hard reset after the change is made. This is due to the way that the OS will use the additional memory and write files spanning the entire volume.
The question is, will the EU version, a.k.a Omnia 7 be upgradeable aswell?
It would make sense if the upgrading works like spanning devices, you can add drives but you can't remove them.
I don't think it will have the card slot like the focus but the 2 specs seem odd to me. I really hope you can chose to have a larger capacity this is the only thing holding this phone back.
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I don't think it will have the card slot like the focus but the 2 specs seem odd to me. I really hope you can chose to have a larger capacity this is the only thing holding this phone back.
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yes, em 2, and maybe the price, but yeah, we still don't know it ;D
The Omnia 7 won't have upgradeable memory. And the 8GB version is available for preorder for £500 in UK. They simply lost their minds.
^ please tell me you're joking.
I really fear that martoto isn't joking.
And the website http://www.omnia7.samsungmobile.com/ doesn't say anything about MicroSD...
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The Omnia 7 won't have upgradeable memory. And the 8GB version is available for preorder for £500 in UK. They simply lost their minds.
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Omnia 7 appears to be upgradeable according to these UK specs.
http://www.reghardware.com/2010/10/12/windows_mobile_7_what_and_where/
According to engadget the omnia 7 doesn't have microSD slot : http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/windows-phone-7-handsets-the-tale-of-the-tape/
From what I have read and its been a lot, I think there is no SD card slot but there is more than likly 2 versions one 8gb and one 16gb
It's really easy for these companies to ship versions with varrying amounts of memory. The software stays the same and the hardware stays the same except a higher density flash chip.
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Omnia 7 appears to be upgradeable according to these UK specs.
http://www.reghardware.com/2010/10/12/windows_mobile_7_what_and_where/
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According to engadget the omnia 7 doesn't have microSD slot : http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/windows-phone-7-handsets-the-tale-of-the-tape/
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The first link says 8GB internal with an MicroSD for expansion. Egadget says 8GB internal and they do niether confirm nor deny the MicroSD.
The question is, will it be possible to add a SD card afterwards? It shouldn't be any problem, as long as the filesystem supports it.
I don't know about specs sheets accurancy from quoted sources, but I prefer to believe on my eyes. Simply, I can't see any memory extension slot:
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=reviewsimg/samsung-i8700-omnia-7/phone/gsmarena_026.jpg
And here is the preorder price from clove, a nice number of £500:
http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-omnia-7-gt-i8700
I can live with 8GB + Microsoft's cloud service, however this price is a great dissapointment IMHO. It does not correspond to the actuall hardware and software for that device.
martoto said:
I don't know about specs sheets accurancy from quoted sources, but I prefer to believe on my eyes. Simply, I can't see any memory extension slot:
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php3?sImg=reviewsimg/samsung-i8700-omnia-7/phone/gsmarena_026.jpg
And here is the preorder price from clove, a nice number of £500:
http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-omnia-7-gt-i8700
I can live with 8GB + Microsoft's cloud service, however this price is a great dissapointment IMHO. It does not correspond to the actuall hardware and software for that device.
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look at the far right of the sim card slot just above the battery pins...there is another slot...looks like it might be micro sd...
It's a pictogram for the SIM card. There's no slot there.
Also, the placement of the camera sensor alone shows that it's a different board from the Focus.
I have just talked to tmobile who have the omnia 7 up for pre order and they only know of the 8gb version. It is also about £200 more expensive when compared to the same deal orange have for the mozart. I'm not being funny here am i in thinking is .32 and samoled screen worth £200 more?
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Hi,
I notice that Samsung's site shows the Omnia 7 as coming in both 8Gb and 16Gb capacities. Go to omnia7.samsungmobile.com and click on Specifications link at the bottom of the page. To add confusion though, the Press Kit downloadable from the Media section shows 8Gb only.
In the UK I'm currently on O2 and would like to stay on that network purely because I get to skip queues at O2 venues for gigs. It certainly came in handy at Ozzfest. microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-gb/buy/7/phones.aspx#filter=40 shows that O2 are going to offer the Omnia 7 too - does anybody know if this is correct? I know O2 are beefing up the HD7 in Europe to the 16Gb model so perhaps they're doing the same with the Omnia 7?
It surprises me that T-Mobile are 8Gb-only since the Omnia 7 is Europe-only. Does anyone know if anyone else has confirmed the 16Gb version?
Off-topic: Does anyone know if Orange are selling the phone SIM-free and the cost? £500 from Clover seems rather expensive o_0
I'm going to head to a few stores tonight on the way home and if I find out anything I'll post back.
http://wmpoweruser.com/expandable-storage-confirmed-in-windows-phone-7-required-a-hard-reset/
We have finally had some confirmation, via Paul Thurrot, who is writing a book on the subject after all, that Windows Phone 7 does support the replacement of the installed microSD card (for devices which have them) with others of larger capacity.
Due to the way data is spanned across volumes in Windows Phone 7 however removing the card will almost certainly result in data loss, which means replacing the card means a hard reset needs to be performed to restore normal function again.
Most of HTC’s Windows Phone 7 devices feature microSD cards. Does this change readers opinion on the desirability of these 8 GB handsets? Let us know below.
The Paul Thurrott's post is interesting. But Paul Thurrott did NOT said "Most of HTC’s Windows Phone 7 devices feature microSD cards". wmpoweruser.com did. But I don't know where they had this information.
In Paul Thurrott's post, we can read in the comments
"Paul Thurrott says:
October 13, 2010 at 9:57 am
I’m not sure which phones have slots and which don’t, beyond the Focus."
hopefully most phones will have it *leers at htc*
you better not fumble this
Can't find it now, but yesterday read an article that confirmed removable media under the battery for some devices, but it was not microSD but a new much faster type of card and replacing it would require a factory reset.
Seemed fairly convincing, but can't find it now.
His!...
plastix said:
Can't find it now, but yesterday read an article that confirmed removable media under the battery for some devices, but it was not microSD but a new much faster type of card and replacing it would require a factory reset.
Seemed fairly convincing, but can't find it now.
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http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/basics/sd-cards-and-my-phone.aspx
Greetings
Buscamina said:
His!...
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/basics/sd-cards-and-my-phone.aspx
Greetings
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That sounds like it is an SD card with some form of "special" formatting.
So how long before XDA cracks it, and allows you to take your phone's 8GB SD card, and copy/move the data to a new 32GB one and have the phone working just fine?
A regular SD card would be slow compared to the one that comes with the phone. I don't even think they SD cards it requires are available to purchase yet.
cyclical said:
That sounds like it is an SD card with some form of "special" formatting.
So how long before XDA cracks it, and allows you to take your phone's 8GB SD card, and copy/move the data to a new 32GB one and have the phone working just fine?
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Any news on which phones will have the expandable storage slot?
I read in an article somewhere that it uses a form of Raid (0 I would think) across the device and it's storage card but it never mentioned a new type of card, although that would make sense
Micro SD for hd7 and trophy, not mozart
This is the first time posting in xda since the forum revamp, but when i realised you guys werent aware of which devices support user accessible micro sd i felt i had to post here.
The htc trophy and HD7 will have expandable memory (the option of replacing memory). HTC themselves are listing memory accessories to buy on their website, however the mozart will not have the ability 9or access) to the micro sd card slot.
important points
Micro SDHC Class 2
Available for HD7
Available for Trophy
Not available for HTC Mozart
HTC are selling memory here for HD& and Trophy but you will notice, not for mozart.http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_phonecat.aspx?i=204561&c=13
levi3man said:
This is the first time posting in xda since the forum revamp, but when i realised you guys werent aware of which devices support user accessible micro sd i felt i had to post here.
The htc trophy and HD7 will have expandable memory (the option of replacing memory). HTC themselves are listing memory accessories to buy on their website, however the mozart will not have the ability 9or access) to the micro sd card slot.
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Micro SDHC Class 2
Available for HD7
Available for Trophy
Not available for HTC Mozart
HTC are selling memory here for HD& and Trophy but you will notice, not for mozart.http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_phonecat.aspx?i=204561&c=13
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Nice find! I'm really hoping this is true. If that's the case then I'll easily grab the HD7 16GB then upgrade to 32 gb. 48GB in one device, Now I can finally hold all my music without needing a HDD based IPOD/Zune.
Oh crap! No expandable memory for the Mozart means i'll be buying the Trophy.
I'm surprised to see that they sell class 2 cards. Wasn't it supposed to be a very fast card in wp7 devices? If this class 2 card gets integrated with the existing storage it would probably slow it down right?
This changes everything for me! I had my heart set on the omnia7 with the proviso that if i can only get 8gb i would go for the Mozart instead, but now it looks like there is no way i can justify 8gb and the sexy mozart is out and it looks like the omnia is to expensive esp if the trophy and hd7 have expandable memory. I may still look at the omnia if i can get a good deal on a 16gb version otherwise its a case for the ugly phones.
lumpaywk said:
This changes everything for me! I had my heart set on the omnia7 with the proviso that if i can only get 8gb i would go for the Mozart instead, but now it looks like there is no way i can justify 8gb and the sexy mozart is out and it looks like the omnia is to expensive esp if the trophy and hd7 have expandable memory. I may still look at the omnia if i can get a good deal on a 16gb version otherwise its a case for the ugly phones.
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Haven't all leaks about the Omnia 7 so far stated wither 8GB built in memory or 8GB built in and a microSD slot for additional memory expansion (without memory loss)?
Sir. Haxalot said:
Haven't all leaks about the Omnia 7 so far stated wither 8GB built in memory or 8GB built in and a microSD slot for additional memory expansion (without memory loss)?
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i have not seen this, i was told by one person that it had a card but so far all i have seen is that the focus will but the omnia 7 wont but instead will have 2 versions. If i can have expandable memory or find a 16gb on eon a good deal i will jump on it faster then flash gordon.
mind you i have been using Google to search, could there be a conspiracy theory here lol
I sent an email to HTC and asked about HD7 and Trophy regarding the possibillity to expand the memory, since they sell sd-card as accessories to those models, and i got this answer:
"Dear ********,
you cant use SD card in theese phones, they all have internal memory on 8 GB (europe) 16 GB (asia)
its a mistake on our website, it will be fixed very soon - thank you for your attention.
Sincerely,
**********
HTC"
Maybe the sd-slot is there but they don't officially support it? I guess we have to wait until someone can actually take a look at a device so we can get confirmation.
Wow, no expandable slot for the Mozart, huh? I really liked the way it looks. Oh well.. Trophy it is.
EDIT: At least it's got a 3.8 inch screen!
I must admit I am very disappointed that most phones only have 8 GB memory and a few will have 16 GB.
It's a bit of a flop if you want to compare it to Apple with 8 GB, 16 GB, 32 GB and 64 GB.
I hope the manufactures change there thinking here as cloud storage is fine if you have an unlimited data plan and do not travel.
But data in Asia is expensive and using data can run into hundreds of dollars very fast.
Sledgeman said:
I sent an email to HTC and asked about HD7 and Trophy regarding the possibillity to expand the memory, since they sell sd-card as accessories to those models, and i got this answer:
"Dear ********,
you cant use SD card in theese phones, they all have internal memory on 8 GB (europe) 16 GB (asia)
its a mistake on our website, it will be fixed very soon - thank you for your attention.
Sincerely,
**********
HTC"
Maybe the sd-slot is there but they don't officially support it? I guess we have to wait until someone can actually take a look at a device so we can get confirmation.
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I just called them and was talking to a lady. I'm waiting for a call-back to know if the HD7 will have accept SD cards and I also made a complaint about the fact that Europe is left behind with a 8gb version of the HD7 in favor of Asia and if it remains so, I'll buy one on the Internet or by somebody I know in Asia. She seemed to be aware of the problem and told me to wait until november the 2nd when it's officially released in Austria. Nevertheless, she insisted to write down everything I was saying and promised me to call me back on these 2 issues.
****TO BE CONTINUED****
f.
it does seem to be a kick in the balls that they treat the European market as less worthy of more than 8gb why are we treated like we don't matter is the bigger question.
I mean c'mon!! some of the most elementary things that made WM great, Balmer is ripping out of our arms!
I'm starting to feel like if I'm going to get an HD7, I may as well just go get the iphone...& I HATE the iphone!
Are you an idiot? There is removable storage. Why do you need to access the SD?
As for Swype... the integrated keyboard in WP7 is brilliant, there's no need for it. We're not using Android here.
owenw said:
Are you an idiot? There is removable storage. Why do you need to access the SD?
As for Swype... the integrated keyboard in WP7 is brilliant, there's no need for it. We're not using Android here.
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Actually, you must be the idiot! If you remove/change the SD card, you void the warrantee!
As for Swype, it was included on the HD2 & if I like that is my business! If it was available on 6.5 it should be easy enough to include on WP7. Why should I have to completely change the way I have been used to typing for almost a year?
Do your research before you throw the "idiot" term around, you end up looking like a bigger one than you accused me of being!
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Actually, you must be the idiot! If you remove/change the SD card, you void the warrantee!
As for Swype, it was included on the HD2 & if I like that is my business! If it was available on 6.5 it should be easy enough to include on WP7. Why should I have to completely change the way I have been used to typing for almost a year?
Do your research before you throw the "idiot" term around, you end up looking like a bigger one than you accused me of being!
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Wrong again champ. You can remove the update the SD on Samsung devices. The warranty you are talking about is with the HD7, because you need to remove screws to get access to the SD Card. So why don't you do some researching?
walshieau said:
Wrong again champ. You can remove the update the SD on Samsung devices. The warranty you are talking about is with the HD7, because you need to remove screws to get access to the SD Card. So why don't you do some researching?
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I have Champ! thats why I was able to put you in your place about your statement!
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I have Champ! thats why I was able to put you in your place about your statement!
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You obviously can't read then
They were never my statements
I was simply backing up the person who replied to you
As you are incorrect about the warranty. The USER REPLACEABLE SD Slots DON'T VOID the warranty. The HTC ones do.
MadLinx said:
I have Champ! thats why I was able to put you in your place about your statement!
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Furthermore, since MS wants to be Neo-Nazi like Apple now (you know the 3 buttons that made it "impossible" for the HD2 to use the WP7 OS) what MS should have done is make the ability to switch out SD cards a mandatory requirement as their precious 3 Buttons.
you still wanna tell me how much of a genius everybody @ MS is now??
walshieau said:
You obviously can't read then
They were never my statements
I was simply backing up the person who replied to you
As you are incorrect about the warranty. The USER REPLACEABLE SD Slots DON'T VOID the warranty. The HTC ones do.
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I probably read much better than you!
1. when I hit "quote" yours was the profile that came up.
2. that's fine if that's your opinion.
3. I am correct about the warrantee...on the HD7 which is my only WP7 device of interest. Again, it's MS's fault for not making the SD option mandatory.
owenw said:
Are you an idiot? There is removable storage. Why do you need to access the SD?
As for Swype... the integrated keyboard in WP7 is brilliant, there's no need for it. We're not using Android here.
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you better read this one:
Windows Phone 7 - The filesystem and how it is presented to the user
before call someone an idiot
Just left wondering if this couldnt be addressed in one of the 1,000,000,000 threads covering precisely the same topic?
As for swype, AFAIK it was never available on the HD2 that my carrier sold me... if it wasnt for a .CAB file of questionable legality, i would never have been able to try it. Or is this the problem? Locking the OS down removes all the "free" software we used to run?
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Just left wondering if this couldnt be addressed in one of the 1,000,000,000 threads covering precisely the same topic?
As for swype, AFAIK it was never available on the HD2 that my carrier sold me... if it wasnt for a .CAB file of questionable legality, i would never have been able to try it. Or is this the problem? Locking the OS down removes all the "free" software we used to run?
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It WAS included on the OS my carrier sold me. As for being addressed on previous threads, I'm all for condensing. However, when I did a search my findings were lacking in this specific subject.
Perhaps there may be a better indexing system that can be developed to avoid these problems moving forward.
MrKaon said:
you better read this one:
Windows Phone 7 - The filesystem and how it is presented to the user
before call someone an idiot
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My response of idiot was in as a result of being accused of being one myself for making points that have been valid & accurate. In reading the post which you pointed me to from March of this year. Reading internal & SD memory as one isn't the problem here. Neither is having to hard reset in order to reconfigure with the new SD card. That post further supports my point about MS really missing the proverbial boat here.
Case in point, removing the HD7's SD card is possible but not without voiding the warrantee. This is not by MS mandate, but if MS is going to be so controlling of other aspects of WP7 why not make sure we the users can upgrade SD card size as WE feel necessary.
My HD2 came with a 16gb SD card, knowing that this would not be enough for ME I upgraded to a 32gb one. I currently have about 22gb of info on my card. If you don't, or don't understand why I have that much data that's fine it's not relevant.
My point simply is this, we all know that these devices are no longer phones...they are mini computers that have a phone in them. That being the case, it should be mandated by MS that we have the option to upgrade our memory on ALL devices not just some!
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Case in point, removing the HD7's SD card is possible but not without voiding the warrantee.
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Not true:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=807900&page=13
According to what I've read and understand, replacing the card will wipe the system, like a hard reset, because the card is being used as internal memory. They say you can upgrade the card, but you have to start all over again...erasing all accumulated data and info on the device.
What I find ironic is, Balmer has stated the reason for this type of system is because MicroSD tech is very low quality, buggy and problematic. He says the quality and reliability consistency from one card to another varies. And yet MS adopts MicroSD tech for its internal storage on WP7 devices. [scratches head and rolls eyes]
Well Microsoft could of included internal NAND in it's hardware specs but that would of increased the costs of devices and price point is a huge milestone when you're competing against the iPhone.
The most sensible way of keeping costs down while still allowing manufacturers to offer a variety of storage configurations was to use microSDHC.
The point about quality and reliability is a valid one, read Bunnie's blog post if you havn't yet. The way to control this is to not provide the user the ability to access that storage, it is preinstalled in the device.
Some people like Samsung have still chosen to give the user that choice and I think more will over time.
It really isn't that strange.
Oh my god, this is way too funny! Both of you seem pretty ill informed, the WP7 keyboard is perfect but a lot of people still want to use swype. Anyways all I can say is that only the Samsung devices have SD card support and even then it is god awful. You have to format the device to expand the memory? Lol. Anyway, the OS has 10x more freedom than iOS, mainly because it has more access to the hardware. The OS has a lot of downsides and I think its biggest is the lack of developer support, however that should change very soon. Oh, by the way, I hammered this all down on the WP7 keyboard.
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Well Microsoft could of included internal NAND in it's hardware specs but that would of increased the costs of devices and price point is a huge milestone when you're competing against the iPhone.
The most sensible way of keeping costs down while still allowing manufacturers to offer a variety of storage configurations was to use microSDHC.
The point about quality and reliability is a valid one, read Bunnie's blog post if you havn't yet. The way to control this is to not provide the user the ability to access that storage, it is preinstalled in the device.
Some people like Samsung have still chosen to give the user that choice and I think more will over time.
It really isn't that strange.
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And I could have lived with this if HTC used a 32gb card instead of a 16gb, or at least given us a choice between the two...bad decision making. So much for "HTC Quietly Brilliant" SMH
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Oh my god, this is way too funny! Both of you seem pretty ill informed, the WP7 keyboard is perfect but a lot of people still want to use swype. Anyways all I can say is that only the Samsung devices have SD card support and even then it is god awful. You have to format the device to expand the memory? Lol. Anyway, the OS has 10x more freedom than iOS, mainly because it has more access to the hardware. The OS has a lot of downsides and I think its biggest is the lack of developer support, however that should change very soon. Oh, by the way, I hammered this all down on the WP7 keyboard.
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In regard to the keyboard, It's all about choice. While the WP7 keyboard is perfect to you, Swype is perfect for me. We should have both.
That's what made 6.5 so great. It's a shame that we probably won't see much more support or development for it.
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According to what I've read and understand, replacing the card will wipe the system, like a hard reset, because the card is being used as internal memory. They say you can upgrade the card, but you have to start all over again...erasing all accumulated data and info on the device.
What I find ironic is, Balmer has stated the reason for this type of system is because MicroSD tech is very low quality, buggy and problematic. He says the quality and reliability consistency from one card to another varies. And yet MS adopts MicroSD tech for its internal storage on WP7 devices. [scratches head and rolls eyes]
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Exactly! I said it jokingly, but sometimes it does seem like an Apple double agent.
MadLinx said:
And I could have lived with this if HTC used a 32gb card instead of a 16gb, or at least given us a choice between the two...bad decision making. So much for "HTC Quietly Brilliant" SMH
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Yeah I agree, not just HTC but across the board there was a surprising lack of storage space with the launch handsets.
I'd guess it had something to do with cost-cutting as well as availability of Class 4 32GB cards. The only vendor manufacturing them as far as I can remember is Kingston and they don't seem to be that well stocked.
Oh well, by tomorrow morning my HD7 will be packin' 32GB and my smartphone will be set for the next 18 months
Forgive me if this had been discussed before, but does anyone have any idea why Microsoft would program an OS that supposedly was built from the ground up to NOT support external MicroSD cards? It would seem that in this day and age that it would have been in the top 5 list of "had to be included." Instead they gave the manufacturers their specs for 8GB of internal RAM and that was it. What in the world was Microsoft thinking?
I'm actually happy that Samsung said "screw that" and made a MicroSD slot that was user accessible. That basically forced Microsoft to rethink their strategy, especially after the first patch "fiasco."
Does anyone here have any inside information as to why the MicroSD card wasn't on their list of "must have" for Windows 7? Do you think they were trying to pull an Apple strategy where they can sell an 8GB phone, a 16GB phone, and a 32GB phone to try to make more money?
MicroSD cards ARE supported by WP7, in fact all but a few WP7 devices have them.
What you are looking for is called "removable" & "user-accessible"/"upgradeable" storage.
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MicroSD cards ARE supported by WP7, in fact all but a few WP7 devices have them.
What you are looking for is called "removable" & "user-accessible"/"upgradeable" storage.
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well all the HTC ones use microSD, as well as the DELL Venue Pro, where as all LG phones use NAND, and Samsung uses NAND (with the exception of focus offering an external microSD slot).
The main reason why MS didn't want it exposed is because of the way it uses the microSD card. The use of it in an actual secured RAID 0 format means that it makes the card unusable by any other means making the data secure on the chip. And they knew that people would complain so they didn't want the OEMs to offer it as a user accessible slot, but they didn't enforce it. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing though.
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And they knew that people would complain so they didn't want the OEMs to offer it as a user accessible slot, but they didn't enforce it. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing though.
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I guess now that the genie is out of be bottle it appears that Microsoft will now need to address this dilemma. It appears that people are okay with the idea that once the microSD card is used by a WP7 phone that it can't be reused in something else. I know I'm okay with it if the phone is functional with more space to save music, videos, games, etc. I currently have a 8GB card in my phone, but what I really wanted was a 32GB card but after hearing how unstable it was I held back. It was the inability to use the 32GB card that made me ask the original question.
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I guess now that the genie is out of be bottle it appears that Microsoft will now need to address this dilemma. It appears that people are okay with the idea that once the microSD card is used by a WP7 phone that it can't be reused in something else. I know I'm okay with it if the phone is functional with more space to save music, videos, games, etc. I currently have a 8GB card in my phone, but what I really wanted was a 32GB card but after hearing how unstable it was I held back. It was the inability to use the 32GB card that made me ask the original question.
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Samsung Focus' implementation of SD is flawed either in hardware level or software level or both. There is no problem using any size or type of SD cards in any other WP7 phones not made by Samsung. MicroSD cards have been around for very long time. There is really no reason for a phone, especially one that is designed to take user removeable SD card, to not support all kinds of cards.
Now you have Samsung Focus not only doesn't support majority of SD cards out there but also refuses to accept updates from Micrsoft. It sounds like Samsung has a hatrate against WP7
I think MS saw the problems that Android had with removable storage and decided to require a minimum of 8gb and do away with any sort of removable storage. This makes the OS more stable as a whole.
i think MS did not want ppl to load android on WP7 dvice thats why they did this to the memory card...
They're trying to stop piracy, there's many Android sites out there on the internet that'll give you APKs of premium android apps that have been ripped off people's memory cards and uploaded.
It doesn't help that with Android you have 24 hours to request a refund and therefore can buy, rip from memory card and refund.
It may seem bad to you but from a developer point of view it's awesome. And before anyone goes on about encryption etc, people will find a way to hack through that they always do.
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It doesn't help that with Android you have 24 hours to request a refund and therefore can buy, rip from memory card and refund.
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i believe this is now only 15 minutes, which a lot of people think is a bit too short of a time frame as well. this is why the setup MS did was quite smart, offering the capabilities for devs to implement a trial mode within their full app.
^ care to check facts first. 24 hours?
..........edit .... gate keeper beat me to it.
You can also say the same for IOS, and WebOS. Piracy will come, there is no stopping it.
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i believe this is now only 15 minutes, which a lot of people think is a bit too short of a time frame as well. this is why the setup MS did was quite smart, offering the capabilities for devs to implement a trial mode within their full app.
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which is still enough time to rip the apk and still get a refund.
And as I sit here being frustrated that more devs are going to an ad supported model, I think I have found the reason why....
yea it is enough time to perform that. but to a general user 15 minutes isn't enough time to see if the app was worth the purchase.
the market place needs better search capabilities for trial apps, that's all. once they are there, then more people will start using the trial apps and if they deem it worth it they would buy it.
Hey guys, check it out!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/15/windows-phone-7-certified-microsd-cards-emerge-at-atandt-stores/
Too expensive and we knew a long time ago that the 8gb card from SanDisk was stable. I am getting ready to begin my own tests on cards to find a larger card that will be completely reliable. The target write speeds were posted on a tweet from Mix11 so now we know what to look for. Its sad the markup on this card.
Thanks for the post though
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TOA Duck said:
Too expensive and we knew a long time ago that the 8gb card from SanDisk was stable. I am getting ready to begin my own tests on cards to find a larger card that will be completely reliable. The target write speeds were posted on a tweet from Mix11 so now we know what to look for. Its sad the markup on this card.
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Yeah they're a little too expensive for what you're getting, but its still nice to see Microsoft make good on their promise to make approved cards available.
Also could you post those target read/write speeds?
I don't particularly get this. 8GB? Isn't that the size we have anyway?
Or, is the idea for devices which have on-board memory (Omnia?) this could be an additional storage? Or is it simply, look we're bringing out official cards and soon they'll be 16GB, 32GB and 64GB?
Casey
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I don't particularly get this. 8GB? Isn't that the size we have anyway?
Or, is the idea for devices which have on-board memory (Omnia?) this could be an additional storage? Or is it simply, look we're bringing out official cards and soon they'll be 16GB, 32GB and 64GB?
Casey
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this is mostly for us Focus users, we have a card slot.
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Too expensive and we knew a long time ago that the 8gb card from SanDisk was stable. I am getting ready to begin my own tests on cards to find a larger card that will be completely reliable. The target write speeds were posted on a tweet from Mix11 so now we know what to look for. Its sad the markup on this card.
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One can't help but wonder, though, whether the use of this card, being certified, would be in compliance with the phone's warranty, where other cards would void it (in the event of a bricked phone).
Also, there could be increased quality standards applied to these cards, to confirm that they meet the necessary write speeds. Other cards that don't meet the requirement could still be sold, just not certified. So it could still be a gamble to use another card.
RoboDad said:
One can't help but wonder, though, whether the use of this card, being certified, would be in compliance with the phone's warranty, where other cards would void it (in the event of a bricked phone).
Also, there could be increased quality standards applied to these cards, to confirm that they meet the necessary write speeds. Other cards that don't meet the requirement could still be sold, just not certified. So it could still be a gamble to use another card.
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Necessary write speeds are.......well.........necessary write speeds. That's why they are certified because....well.....they meet the necessary write speeds . Nothing else needed.
As far as warranty....chances are its not gonna brick your card....plus most of us have done enough modding, hacking, cracking, fenagling, to already void our warranty. Lol
And here is the link to those target speeds.
http://www.istartedsomething.com/20...ry-and-agents-tidbits/?utm_source=twitterfeed
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I meant to say "brick your phone" not card.
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ATT users rejoice
btw ATT users rejoice (update 19 April)
http://www.winrumors.com/exclusive-att-windows-phone-7-nodo-update-due-april-19
TOA Duck said:
Necessary write speeds are.......well.........necessary write speeds. That's why they are certified because....well.....they meet the necessary write speeds . Nothing else needed.
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I think you somehow misread my post.
What I said was that the certified cards are certified because they meet the necessary write speed requirements (which is what you just wrote, as if to correct me).
But, other batches of cards that don't meet the write speed requirement could still be sold by SanDisk, and on the outside they would look just like the certified cards (but they would not have the Windows Phone logo on the packaging).
If someone were to use one of those other cards, assuming it was just as good as the certified ones, they could have problems.
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Necessary write speeds are.......well.........necessary write speeds. That's why they are certified because....well.....they meet the necessary write speeds . Nothing else needed.
As far as warranty....chances are its not gonna brick your card....plus most of us have done enough modding, hacking, cracking, fenagling, to already void our warranty. Lol
And here is the link to those target speeds.
http://www.istartedsomething.com/20...ry-and-agents-tidbits/?utm_source=twitterfeed
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Wrong. R/W speeds were never the issue with SD Card Compatibility. You could get a Class 10 card and it'll still fail. It depends on how well the card performs with Random Access operations because of the way WP7 spans the storage system across multiple volumes.
And ensuring the random access performance of the card works well is harder the larger the card is, which probably has something to do with why most phones are 8 or 16GB. NAND storage would have the same issue if the RA performance wasn't up to par.
The R/W speeds were never a big issue. A class 2 card with decent RA performance can work just fine. They just needed to have certified cards so that people knew the cards would work.
But, all the current phones with SD cards make you void your warranty to use one. I wonder how they will handle this should anything happen...
It's much easier to undo hacking, fanangling, cracking, whatever than it is to replace an OEM warranty sticker that you had to remove/break to put the card in...
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Wrong. R/W speeds were never the issue with SD Card Compatibility. You could get a Class 10 card and it'll still fail. It depends on how well the card performs with Random Access operations because of the way WP7 spans the storage system across multiple volumes.
And ensuring the random access performance of the card works well is harder the larger the card is, which probably has something to do with why most phones are 8 or 16GB. NAND storage would have the same issue if the RA performance wasn't up to par.
The R/W speeds were never a big issue. A class 2 card with decent RA performance can work just fine. They just needed to have certified cards so that people knew the cards would work.
But, all the current phones with SD cards make you void your warranty to use one. I wonder how they will handle this should anything happen...
It's much easier to undo hacking, fanangling, cracking, whatever than it is to replace an OEM warranty sticker that you had to remove/break to put the card in...
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All of that you just said is what I meant. You just explained it better.
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N8ter said:
But, all the current phones with SD cards make you void your warranty to use one. I wonder how they will handle this should anything happen...
It's much easier to undo hacking, fanangling, cracking, whatever than it is to replace an OEM warranty sticker that you had to remove/break to put the card in...
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AFAIK, you don't void your Warranty on the Samsung Focus if you put a card in it. I even had problems with my first one with a card in it and AT&T replaced the phone no questions asked.
That's nice but Microsoft never should have allowed OEMs to release 8GB phones, anyways. Storage is way too cheap to have anything less than 16. There's a reason why Apple discontinued 8GB models of the iPhone/iTouch. They were a waste and in many cases users ended up scratching their heads because 8GB simply ins't a lot of storage.
Those cards are super expensive, anyways.
The only thing that would make me buy an 8GB phone + card is the fact that manufacturers charge like $50-100 to go from 8 to 15 or 16 to 32 GB, which is highway robbery...