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iPhone 4.0 will have multitasking? WP7, you better have that as well

Just came:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...software_to_deliver_multitasking_support.html
Still not sure though ... but quite interesting.
If that is true, WP7 better to have it as well!

It's already been hinted that WP7S has multitasking. When you click back on the phone it's goes back to the last application or menu you were using.
Let's say you open Pictures, then you Open the Web Browser. If you click the back button then it will go back to pictures.

Yes, I know that, WP7 will have some sort of multitasking capability.
I just want to post news from other platform competitor (iPhone) so we can see that they are working on something ...
This year would be interesting on mobile world (WP7, iPhone 4, iPad?, HP Slate?).
krjcook said:
It's already been hinted that WP7S has multitasking. When you click back on the phone it's goes back to the last application or menu you were using.
Let's say you open Pictures, then you Open the Web Browser. If you click the back button then it will go back to pictures.
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Speaking of Tables, did you know that LG is supposedly making a WP7S tablet. I don't really care about that, but there are leaked videos of MS Courier which is the hottest thing I've ever seen. Also MS has some touch based OS called MS Locus. It's seens to be Webos, Android, and Iphone OS combined. Here's a pic
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krjcook said:
When you click back on the phone it's goes back to the last application or menu you were using.
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That's NOT multitasking

seed_al said:
That's NOT multitasking
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Please explain to me what multitasking is. It's a mobile device, what are you expecting multiple windows like you for A Full Blown Desktop OS? You can only view one app at a time. What kind of multitasking do you want? When you switch to another app, the app you were previously using pauses. If it was a IM, Web Browsing, Email or any other web based App it will continue to send information. It's the same if not similar multitasking that you see in Android.

Multitasking means that applications are actually running in the background.
On WP7S, they just save their sate and close or pause. That means they're not running = no multitasking.
(I might be wrong and maybe they are actually running, but everything currently hints that this is not the case and there's indeed no multitasking).
On Android, applications keep running. They just save their sate in case something goes wrong and they have to be closed (e.g. if the device runs out of RAM).

Yes, but is that a big difference? What does keeping an App open in the background benefit your anyway as long as it's readily available? It's not like that app is completely closes, it's just pauses to reduce it's footprint. When you go back it's immdiately available without any loading. Not like you see on the other fruity platform.

multi-tasking might not be really important from a normal user view---> i might be wrong....
however on a enterprise point of view, it is important. running ipblue at the background waiting for call or using office communicator at the background while checking out the email.

This has been discussed ad nauseum already. In many cases you need the application to actually run in background. MS and Apple do it for their own apps such as the music player. The whole question is whether we'll be able to use third-party apps that need it as well.

vangrieg said:
This has been discussed ad nauseum already. In many cases you need the application to actually run in background. MS and Apple do it for their own apps such as the music player. The whole question is whether we'll be able to use third-party apps that need it as well.
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true, believe in the near future, we will have more prominent answer.

This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0rd3TD9g_Y
+ WP7 design and MS services
= perfect
(notice how elegantly it multitasks and how it also has tiles? It just looks ugly)

That's probably the only OS that actually has that type of multitasking besides the Pre.

krjcook said:
That's probably the only OS that actually has that type of multitasking besides the Pre.
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WM also has it if you install Task Facade. Android kinda has it (shows you a list of apps when you long press the home button).

you can discuss forever it won't change anything. wait for the OS and see for yourselves.

freyberry said:
Android kinda has it (shows you a list of apps when you long press the home button).
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That just shows your 6 recently launched apps, not nessecarily running though.

who gives a **** about the iphone ??? if uve handled a snapdragon phone , and after u get an iphone in ur hand , ur wipe ur ass with it and its ugly low res screen
its history , stop riding it

WP7 will be king
Iam very confident in windows phone7 and its ability to handle Xbox games and tasks. So confident that for WVGA devices like touchpro2 I made a demo of what it would be like and I put it here.

My best guess is that WP7 still uses windows CE as its code base and inherits multitasking support. Seems like multitasking is not a big deal though as WP7 moves away from the multiple application concept.

Although we have heard rumors that WP7S will have preemptive multitasking, if you think about it, the live tiles really defeat the purpose of multitasking.
Say you have a (multi-platform) twitter app.
In Android, you can leave this open and come back to it anytime and it will be up-to-date, but you don't receive any notification.
When using live tiles in WP7S, you can run your twitter app and then switch over to another app, and, although your twitter app will close, while your doing other things your app's live tile can be checking for updates periodically and even display the most recent tweet directed towards you on the homesreen. That way, when you go back to the homesreen, you can see that there's a new tweet, and launch the now-updated app.

WM Trojan Dialer, a case for sandboxed apps/managed code

As seen here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=650393 theres a game that people have downloaded that is infected with a trojan that calls out to expensive international numbers at midnight,
I can imagine the guys at Gizmodo/Engadget etc having a field day with WM Trojan racks up bills etc. and the bad press it brings to Windows Mobile
Is this a case for WP7 and its Silverlight/XNA written apps only and apps that can be withdrawn from a single market place instead of dodgy copies hitting numberous websites?

DMAND said:
Is this a case for WP7 and its Silverlight/XNA written apps only and apps that can be withdrawn from a single market place instead of dodgy copies hitting numberous websites?
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You realize of course that your [thread] title doesn't match the contents of the thread at all?
Your title purports to suggest sandboxing and managed code, which are both good ideas, and then in the thread itself you talk about restricting the APIs available on the platform to Silverlight/XNA and restricting distributing to the Marketplace, which is a terrible idea.
"Managed code" -- in case you weren't aware -- is terminology created by Microsoft for code that interacts exclusively with the CLR.
BUT IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW, P/INVOKE IS PART OF THE CLR, SO "MANAGED CODE" CAN STILL ACCESS NATIVE APIS!
"Sandboxing" can refer to a broad range of concepts, all of which are relatively good ideas (although some are more expensive in terms of overhead than others).
I think the best thing that Microsoft could do to prevent attacks like this -- rather than locking down their whole OS like Apple-wannabes -- is to implement the multi-user paradigm of Windows NT6.x and/or Linux on their phone OS.
See the problem -- as far as I can tell -- is that Windows CE is a single-user operating system. Much like Windows 9.x. Which means that processes only run in one context: Administrator.
So any process that is running on your Windows CE device, has full access and control of the device/operating system. This is why you experience so many lock-ups/crashes on CE-based devices.
In a modern multi-user operating system, processes can run in one of two contexts: User or Administrator. The User context has no access to the system itself -- it is effectively sandboxed. It can still wreak havoc in many ways, but it cannot bring down the operating system because it doesn't have the privledges to access the APIs et cetera that it would need to do so. The Administrator context still exists, and the user chooses to elevate processes there when the need arises -- this is what UAC, runas, su, and sudo are for in Windows/Linux.
These are the devices that should be implemented on a phone OS, not draconian lock-in schemes that turn a phone OS into a phone appliance.

Well, actually making phone calls should never prompt for elevated permissions as far as I am concerned.
In the case mentioned above a game has an add on functionality which doesn't play nice, so even prompting on installation (which WinMo 6.5 does), doesn't help matters.
The CLR incorporates a pretty sophisticated permission management but it's terrible to deal with it, even if as a programmer you know what things are about - pushing it onto the end user of a phone in my opinion would be a pretty bad idea.
Cases like this one are exactlly why the way Microsoft intends to deal with software, is a great idea for a default behavior - although I would like to be able to sideload applications.
But honestly, if people could sideload at all, they would activate it in masses, if even for one dumb farting app, outside the marketplace that everyone thought was cool. I'm not talking about devs or Power Users but about people using Google to find: how to get app xyz working.
Pretty soon a situation would arise like the one we could see some weeks ago, when a virus infested lots of jailbroken iPhones in Australia. The problem was that simply after jail break, most didn't change the administrator password of the phone, allowing telnet connections from the phone network.
I don't like the situation that arises with WP7 and I really hope we will get access to APIs for doing actual phone calls, accessing the PIM data, etc. but yes: sandboxing with reduced permission sets without elevation is the way to go when MS tries to change the way WinMo is perceived by many: unstable and easily compromised.

off topic/
Please copy / paste / timetravel / this conversation back to 1975, to a non-suspecting group of consumers, along with the PDA and tell them this is how we go about calling eachother in 2010. Sandboxed AntiTrojan/Virus Administrative Rights Calling Application Programming Interface and some more of that.
For sure they will protest and kling-on to the old round dialer disk phones.
/end of topic
It''s about control. As many other said and Microsoft implicated, they need more control over the brand/expierence.
In the early months of 2002 you could take your Compaq Ipaq 3870 and hook it up to a Bluetooth GPS, a Bluetooth Phone with GPRS, and have navigation- and web based realtime GPS Tracking software running at the same time.
That is 7 years back. Making that work took 5 minutes (manually configuring COMport splitter).
I sincelery hope that developers will get access to the system at a level that makes the above possible.

lucid said:
off topic/
Please copy / paste / timetravel / this conversation back to 1975, to a non-suspecting group of consumers, along with the PDA and tell them this is how we go about calling eachother in 2010. Sandboxed AntiTrojan/Virus Administrative Rights Calling Application Programming Interface and some more of that.
For sure they will protest and kling-on to the old round dialer disk phones.
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It''s about control. As many other said and Microsoft implicated, they need more control over the brand/expierence.
In the early months of 2002 you could take your Compaq Ipaq 3870 and hook it up to a Bluetooth GPS, a Bluetooth Phone with GPRS, and have navigation- and web based realtime GPS Tracking software running at the same time.
That is 7 years back. Making that work took 5 minutes (manually configuring COMport splitter).
I sincelery hope that developers will get access to the system at a level that makes the above possible.
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[BIG FAIL] Unmerging posts dont worry - Your Mod, ~~Tito~~

will the WP7 support for the old apps of wm?
i know, only market apps, but if we can cook, then we can add a install app existent which install apps, this if the programs have acess to the file system and register.

As far as current information goes, there is no support for legacy software, so I don't think that the libraries necessary for WM6.5 hardware would be on the phone.
Also the window-management (if one wants to call it that) would be completely different in the Windows Phone 7 series.
Another important thing is that it is based on a different kernel than Windows Mobile 6.* (which uses Win CE 5.1). I don't remember what the last number was but it could either be the Win CE 6 Kernel or as was rumored some time ago: the first use of the new Win CE 7 Kernel. This means that lots of API might have changed or be missing.

if we would manage to cook our own custom WP7 ROMs in the future then we also can get us access to the native api. however it won't be possible to run standard wm 6 applications due to GUI components missing. But we still could develop some nice little hacks, tools, services, free customization or maybe even build libraries with native functions exported (to re-use them in the Silverlight apps) to allow us develop something like a simple file explorer, task switcher or registry editor! though not sure about the Silverlight part. What are some .NET experts saying there?

Silverlight and Isolated Storage
When I first read, that there was no direct access to the FileSystem and instead the Silverlight isolated storage was to be used I wondered wether the regular Silverlight Quota's for the isolated storage would apply.
Anyone who wants to know more on what IsoStore quotas are can look for more information here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/dd458794.aspx
Suffice to say, that for Silverlight 2 there was a default quota of exactly 1 Megabyte of Storage Space (which could be expanded by querying the user). So I went to find out if this would apply to WP7s Applications as well.
Luckily there are methods for requesting exactlly this information.
This told me that I have: 1 927 Megabytes of free space and that the quota limit is set to the maximum value supported by a long variable - which implies no quota limitation.
The question remains: is this only true of the emulator image or will this apply to the final phones as well (my guess currently is that the 1.9 GB of free space imply 2 gb storage space on the emulator image and ~ 90 mb being used by the system and IE).
I hope somebody thinks this information is useful, I'll perhaps try how much i can fill this memory up and how big my programm can get in memory next.

How do I create 'pages' in VS?
I've downloaded the new VS Express and made a basic GUI app, but I can't figure out how to make pages. Please see my pic below to understand what I am refering to.
Has any one figured this out or seen any guides on how to do this?
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Don't remember where I saw it, but I think pages or "pivots" as they have been called are disabled in this release of the sdk.
Edit - It's on page 57 of the UI Design and Interaction Guide.

Yup it's meant to come in the updated release, also support for Visual Basic

Visual Basic
I just downloaded Windows Phone Developer tools and i can see only support for C#.
Does that means that they are still working on VB part or that they done with VB and i should finally start learning some real programming languages?

check this out... good behavior that works like the panoramic control for that might be released in future versions of the SDK
http://aimeegurl.com/2010/03/18/pan...ne-7-with-no-code/comment-page-1/#comment-966
hope this helps

you know what I'd like to see?
The WP7 homescreen consists of hubs, right? and swiping it to the left, gives you a list of applications. The app list doesn't seems to be finished yet, but how likely will it be, that this page will eventually be made available for UI customization? I mean, the hubs/tiles interface should still be the main screen when getting the phone out of standby, but the app page could an ideal spot for custom UI, just by a swipe of your finger. just a thought.

Quote from the developer forum
Hi folks,
I have some great news!
I received feedback from the GPM for the Microsoft VS Languages team, who indicates:
"there will definitely be support for writing VB apps for Windows Phone 7, but we are still working on the details and the timeline".
Best Regards,
Mark

mrabie said:
http://aimeegurl.com/2010/03/18/pan...ne-7-with-no-code/comment-page-1/#comment-966
hope this helps
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Cool link!

Yay, i can postpone my VB to C switch
Thx for info

Thanks for pointing out where in the guide it said that. Also thanks to mrabie for that link. I hope the 'pivot' template released with the final version of VS is a simpler though.

You can probably get away with using VB in SL4 using the VB edition of VS2010. Just avoid using any libraries or controls that SL4 doesn't support in WP7. Then when they launch WP7 it will just be a matter of re-making your interface and copy & pasting most of the code.
Beware: I am an idealist

Silverlight limitation \ work around
I was investigating if it was possible to create a Silverlight (SL) application that can help IT people with basic task; ping, trace-route, port scan, viewer HTTP headers, etc. Unfortunately Silverlight doesn't seem to be cable of doing any of this. Very disappointing to learn.
Anyway, the only work around I can in-vision is if a program were to be installed on that network that had all these abilities and then SL could just be used as a remote control. Since many of us in this forum are tech savoy people, I'm curious as to your feelings toward such an application.
Personally, I would use it only as a last resort. I have a similar application for my iphone, but its all self contained on my phone which makes it great when I have to troubleshoot a foreign network.

Possibly you could do the part about an http-header viewer, but as silverlight and XNA currently don't give you access to the ip-stack itself, port-scanner, ping, tracert don't seem possible.
A fact, MS hopefully will address. As to an application which does this from the phone using a proxy: if i have to setup that proxy first, I'd rather stick with that machine for the occasional ping, tracert, too - but that's just me. Nice idea anyway.

Arabic support in the development tools? [Edit: resolved]
Hello
I'm new to WM development and trying to learn on the WM 7 CPT tools released last week. I try to change label text to Arabic characters but they show up as squares. Are the current tools not yet supporting such languages or is there a work around?
On a semi-related note, is anybody else experiencing some lag while playing around the emulator? It just seems quite slow. I'm running on quite a decent PC (quad core, 2gb ram etc).

How would I go about downloading a file?
How would I download a file from the internet onto the phones storage?
I got a text file in mind, and I'd like the text from the file to be displayed in a text box.
So does anyone know how I would go about doing this?

LooperNor said:
How would I download a file from the internet onto the phones storage?
I got a text file in mind, and I'd like the text from the file to be displayed in a text box.
So does anyone know how I would go about doing this?
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You don't need to download it to the storage device to be able to display a text file from the net. I haven't developed on WP7 yet, but assuming you can use System.Net.dll and System.IO.dll:
C#:
Code:
HttpWebRequest hwr = HttpWebRequest.Create("http://www.google.com/Robots.txt");
WebResponse resp = hwr.GetResponse();
StreamReader sr = new StreamReader(resp.GetResponseStream());
this.textBox1.Text = sr.ReadToEnd();
sr.Close()
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And looking at Scottgu's Twitter code example, you should be able to do:
Code:
private void Form1_Load(object sender,EventArgs e)
{
string url = "http://www.google.com/Robots.txt";
WebClient wc = new WebClient();
wc.DownloadStringCompleted += new DownloadStringCompletedEventHandler(wc_DownloadStringCompleted);
wc.DownloadStringAsync(new Uri(url));
}
void wc_DownloadStringCompleted(object sender, DownloadStringCompletedEventArgs e)
{
if (e.Error != null)
return;
string DownloadedText = e.Result;
this.textBox1.Text = DownloadedText;
}

KINdroid(Vermine Droid Clone)

For those of you who have a psp you may know something about Portals. Offline web pages that give you the feel of using a different operating system. Well I've been working on making portals originally designed for the psp compatible with the KIN and then hosting them on a server due to KIN not being able to load web pages from it's flash storage.
I call the project I am currently working on KINdroid. It is based on the verminedroid PSP portal which is a PITA to work with because of the fact that it was programmed in french.
*UPDATE*
Recent changes include:
Fixed Maps link
Fixed calculator app
Added calendar link
Fixed weather link
Fixed duplicate backgrounds on some pages
Changed IM link to ebuddy
Please clear temporary files and cookies to see changes.
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Give it a try yourself by going to http://173.89.0.47 on your KIN
Also try the windows phone 7 portal by going to http://173.89.0.47/win7phone/index.html

Use to have a psp, sold it for 50 bucks, modded xbox controller, and alot of other ****. And i had the same idea. All you need is a universal server with that on file so we can use it. Its not that hard. But hey, send me that vermin droid, i dont have it [email protected]

I saw someone also posted something about this portal on the Facebook page.

DarkMelon said:
I saw someone also posted something about this portal on the Facebook page.
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That was me. Dezmond Grzenia = dezgrz

this is a pretty cool thing you've got going here. i'm not sure how useful it is right now, but it certainly has some potential.
it doesn't display quite right for me though. the background is tiled and everything is really small. i'd imagine it would be a relatively quick fix.
also i would suggest a back button, as the built in one is inconvenient as hell.
if anybody here knows javascript that might be a better option than html. loading each page is sort of inconvenient (especially on my awful internet).

slimeq said:
this is a pretty cool thing you've got going here. i'm not sure how useful it is right now, but it certainly has some potential.
it doesn't display quite right for me though. the background is tiled and everything is really small. i'd imagine it would be a relatively quick fix.
also i would suggest a back button, as the built in one is inconvenient as hell.
if anybody here knows javascript that might be a better option than html. loading each page is sort of inconvenient (especially on my awful internet).
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Just double tap to zoom and it looks alright. Like I said on facebook some things have to be worked out but as a proof of concept it works...

I think making a WinPhone7 portal would suit the Kin's style better.

dezgrz said:
Just double tap to zoom and it looks alright. Like I said on facebook some things have to be worked out but as a proof of concept it works...
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oh yea it definitely works really well for what it is, don't get me wrong. just a lil' constructive criticism. are you writing this? what language is it written in?

slimeq said:
oh yea it definitely works really well for what it is, don't get me wrong. just a lil' constructive criticism. are you writing this? what language is it written in?
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Like any website, doesnt matter, and it's just html & javascript on the end.
You could do this anytime, but the real problem is always the same. You can't store it locally. If we could do local websites, then a pseudo app could work so well.
But storing it remotely.... not so much improved.

johnkussack said:
You could do this anytime, but the real problem is always the same. You can't store it locally. If we could do local websites, then a pseudo app could work so well.
But storing it remotely.... not so much improved.
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Well, the phone does cache simple sites like google, and I think maybe facebook. I just tested it and it does seem to work with this site as well.

I can fix the duplicate image problem and the language but you have not sent me the files yet. I can aslo fix the invalid links. Send me the files and I'll fix them. Send to [email protected] or [email protected]

Kinuser1 said:
I can fix the duplicate image problem and the language but you have not sent me the files yet. I can aslo fix the invalid links. Send me the files and I'll fix them. Send to [email protected] or [email protected]
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Removing the duplicate images is as easy as adding this code of css:
HTML:
background-repeat: no-repeat;
Why do you need him to send you the files. It's a simple webpage. Can't you just save it through your browser?

telittleone said:
Removing the duplicate images is as easy as adding this code of css:
HTML:
background-repeat: no-repeat;
Why do you need him to send you the files. It's a simple webpage. Can't you just save it through your browser?
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No because it's a portal. It was originally used for the PSP but hes hosting it on a local server

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No because it's a portal. It was originally used for the PSP but hes hosting it on a local server
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Yes, it's a portal, but it's still an html file. It doesn't matter if he's hosting it on a local server. Just because you have to enter numbers in to access it, instead of a domain name doesn't make it any difference. It's just like any normal website.
In reality, the web could function without domain names. The thing is that no one wants to remember a string of numbers.

telittleone said:
Yes, it's a portal, but it's still an html file. It doesn't matter if he's hosting it on a local server. Just because you have to enter numbers in to access it, instead of a domain name doesn't make it any difference. It's just like any normal website.
In reality, the web could function without domain names. The thing is that no one wants to remember a string of numbers.
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Yeah, pretty much this. ^^^^
Tyler, you can simply open it with lets say Firebug plugin and make changes and tell him what changes you made. You don't need to have the entire website to do that.

Antonpup said:
Firebug
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Nuff said bro. Heaven-like tool.
And i remember some IPv4 sites just because their address it too long (3-4 subdomains), can afford some more .

johnkussack said:
Nuff said bro. Heaven-like tool.
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Firebug is amazing. It can slow down FF considerably though, so I turn it on only when I need it.

telittleone said:
Firebug is amazing. It can slow down FF considerably though, so I turn it on only when I need it.
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There's version for Chrome. I use chrome. Everything is fast-n-easy.

btw, for the up-and-above topic, i was reading a games site within a public WiFi site and the cache didn't work when exiting the WiFi range and pressing back, even after passing ~10 pages of comments.
i wouldn't rely on that cache. Well i wouldn't rely on ie mobile in general but, ignoring that.....

Wont work on my KIN TWOm
Im curious does this only work over wifi? I always get a timeout error when I try this. By the way Im fairly new here but have an extensive knowledge of programming. I also was able to jailbreak my kin twom.

Question Anyone else have problems with Chrome lately? Many multiple saved tabs are gone next time you launch? The sub-tab/grouped tabs feature gone?

What the title and poll say. Yesterday I noticed that the sub-tabs/grouped tabs (I forget what Google called them) feature was gone on my phone (where I had, for example, two separate XDA pages open in a group). All the tabs still existed but at a "root" level and there's no longer a way to group tabs together.
And today, I noticed that all the tabs I had open yesterday are now gone. Yes, I could go through history if I really needed them badly enough, but truthfully, without the grouped tabs feature, I don't want them all back as it would be a mess.
I can't find settings in Chrome regarding grouping or saving my previously opened tabs, although just now when I opened it, it at least had the tabs open that I had opened earlier today.
I'm on Chrome Android v96.0.4664.45. I'm not currently signed up for any beta versions of Google apps (other than the usual whole Google universe is constantly beta).
TIA

roirraW edor ehT said:
What the title and poll say. Yesterday I noticed that the sub-tabs/grouped tabs (I forget what Google called them) feature was gone on my phone (where I had, for example, two separate XDA pages open in a group). All the tabs still existed but at a "root" level and there's no longer a way to group tabs together.
And today, I noticed that all the tabs I had open yesterday are now gone. Yes, I could go through history if I really needed them badly enough, but truthfully, without the grouped tabs feature, I don't want them all back as it would be a mess.
I can't find settings in Chrome regarding grouping or saving my previously opened tabs, although just now when I opened it, it at least had the tabs open that I had opened earlier today.
I'm on Chrome Android v96.0.4664.45. I'm not currently signed up for any beta versions of Google apps (other than the usual whole Google universe is constantly beta).
TIA
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This is probly not relevant at all but, I only use Samsung browser on all mobiles it's THEE best browser in my opinion, once you turn on smooth scrolling via internet/flags it's amazing, everything Chrome has only better and smoother, plus full dark mode and better privacy, give it a try! F chrome lol

kevinireland11 said:
This is probly not relevant at all but, I only use Samsung browser on all mobiles it's THEE best browser in my opinion, once you turn on smooth scrolling via internet/flags it's amazing, everything Chrome has only better and smoother, plus full dark mode and better privacy, give it a try! F chrome lol
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Thank you, but no thank you.
I've just noticed perhaps a new way of handling the grouped tabs in Chrome, but still sucks I lost what I had and how they were organized.
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roirraW edor ehT said:
Thank you, but no thank you.
I've just noticed perhaps a new way of handling the grouped tabs in Chrome, but still sucks I lost what I had and how they were organized.
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Umm I'll have to look Into this to, I shall re enable chrome and check it out, do you recommend any "flags" to enable?

kevinireland11 said:
Umm I'll have to look Into this to, I shall re enable chrome and check it out, do you recommend any "flags" to enable?
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I haven't felt the need to fool with flags on mobile Chrome recently - I know I had just a little bit from time to time previously, so I can't really advise you much on that. The most recent flag I had fooled with was several months ago to enable Chrome Beta or Developer version to be able to display JPEG XL format images, which is the more widely adopted successor to FLIF (Free Lossless Image Format) and the same author is involved in both.
The flag was
Code:
chrome://flags/#enable-jxl
at the time on both mobile and desktop. I'm pretty sure that the feature is now in the stable Chrome channel, although last I checked, it wasn't enabled by default yet.
On desktop Chrome, there are at least one or two flags I switch but I don't think they apply or are necessary on mobile Chrome.
OT: A couple of years ago I switched to the Chromium-based Edge (I think Samsung's is Chromium-based, too, isn't it?), and I liked it quite well until a year and a half ago when they Microsoftified / Dumbified an aspect of the browser that drove me to quickly go back to Chrome (many folks complained that there wasn't an option to retain the old functionality while there were a few folks who insisted that the old way of doing things wasn't even necessary - similarly to how some people think that because they don't need something, that no one needs that thing and that the first people who need it are just wrong, but I digress.
The only place I still use Edge is on my work laptops since my work uses Google for everything, and therefore have Chrome's settings locked down so that I can't even easily have it re-open my last opened tabs after they force reboot my laptops overnight for updates. When I encounter the aspect of Edge that I can't stand, it still drives me nuts, but at least I can control other aspects I can't normally on my work machines.
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