Hello with the the new updates is the phone now worth considering ?
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intrancer said:
Hello with the the new updates is the phone now worth considering ?
Currently I am using a desire HD
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I would personally wait for Nokia WP7, Thats when you'll see some good hardware / camera etc...
I bought mine two weeks ago. It is not perfect, i'll not lie. But it is the OS that I like most (I have iPhone 4 and Droid too). Android is laggy, even with overclock, and it feels.. like a beta. Worse, Alfa version. Everything is smooth and pretty in WP7.
I was willing to wait for Nokia devices, but i read that Nokia will only release one phone this year. And seriously, I don't trust Nokia. I don't want to buy Nokia's test phone, and I don't want to wait until next year.
Just buy it already, and join us
mikeeam said:
I bought mine two weeks ago. It is not perfect, i'll not lie. But it is the OS that I like most (I have iPhone 4 and Droid too). Android is laggy, even with overclock, and it feels.. like a beta. Worse, Alfa version. Everything is smooth and pretty in WP7.
I was willing to wait for Nokia devices, but i read that Nokia will only release one phone this year. And seriously, I don't trust Nokia. I don't want to buy Nokia's test phone, and I don't want to wait until next year.
Just buy it already, and join us
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For 3 iterations, I've always said android feels incomplete. Even on the tablet side, android feels very incomplete and I guess this has made OEMs feel like they can do what they will to cover android's shortcomings - specifically in their management of OS, fragmentation, and acceleration.
The iphone felt finished to me - even if I didn't like the iphone platform at all. Everything just worked and ran quite effectively. It was cohesive and central when it was released.
What I enjoy about windows phone is that it carries the cohesion of apple, and totally ramps it up full blast making it an incredible platform to code on, experience, and use on a daily basis.
I do miss flashing custom roms for one reason - I HAVE A DELL VENUE PRO and so far its one of the most closed wp7 devices on the market! Period! But even then, the only thing I want is root access to the registry. Not so much optimize much because the os is damn good as is.
Are there limits to windows phone 7? Sure all platforms have limits. But I think in time windows phone will definitely be a household name. All it really needs is good advertising at this point.
My biggest issue with WP7 right now is not the missing featurs, but rather the lack of quality hardware. That having been said, the Samsung Focus is very nice. It takes amazing pictures. The screen is big and beautiful. It is sleek, and has long battery life. My only complaint is how slick the plastic is. Would have been nice to have a more rubbery texture to it or something.
Like every OS WP7 has its cons and pro's but to me it's just the experience as a whole that stands out to the rest. I'd certainly recommend a WP7 device to everyone who wants to buy a smartphone. Certainly the one's who owned an Android device before like myself.
I'm happy with my Trophy. I love the hardware. Have a nice grip, and an awesome screen. Not too large, nor too small. It's just the perfect size to me.
The plastic doesn't feel cheap, and doesnt look cheap. I recommend. And it is worth a look.
Thanks for feedback ... I use the following apps remote desktop, facebook,Twitter,slingplayer,navigation and need a good quality camera .... I'm looking at the apps market to see if I can find any apps like this..... I was disappointed to see no flash for browser....
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LG Quantum == great hardware
I love my LG Quantum.
I need a keyboard for business emails. I sometimes write mails on it longer than I do at my desktop computer. Try that on the on-screen keyboard.
But, if I just have a few words, the on-screen is fine. And the word-correct is amazing on WP7.
Friends at work have Samsung Focus and love it. Most people DON'T need over 8GB of flash, because with ZunePass, one can stream what one doesn't have, and then just download what they want to keep.
WP7 really is GREAT STUFF, and getting better with time.
Enjoy Windows Phone 7!
-e
intrancer said:
Hello with the the new updates is the phone now worth considering ?
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this is a really silly question, ppl who like android will tell you no and ppl who like wp7 will ask you to move....
this is really very personal... its like you asking ppl what car should i buy
you should buy if you like wp7 not because ppl think u should buy...
best thing you can do is go play with different devices in the store and see which one you like better.
WP7= fast and smooth, works out of the box great.
Android= very versatile, but does have some lag and might require some tweaking to get the best out of the device.
Just depends on what you are looking for.
intrancer said:
Hello with the the new updates is the phone now worth considering ?
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+1 on this. I read an article in another post and it has me holding off a WP7 purchase for now. 5-reinstal limit on paid apps! Hell no! It aint worth it if that's how it's gonna be. At least being a smartphone it will have all the common features on phones these days, but the 5-limit will kill it for me.
Dam a limit ... well well..... that's no to wp7 .. thanks for letting me know about that
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truffle1234 said:
this is a really silly question, ppl who like android will tell you no and ppl who like wp7 will ask you to move....
this is really very personal... its like you asking ppl what car should i buy, thats total bull ****...
you should buy if you like wp7 not because ppl think u should buy...
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I don't think its a silly question... so far people that have had both have given me pros and cons those who have moved to wp7 have shared what they miss .... I am asking for owners experience of the phone... not if they like the color of the device...
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FriedWP7 said:
+1 on this. I read an article in another post and it has me holding off a WP7 purchase for now. 5-reinstal limit on paid apps! Hell no! It aint worth it if that's how it's gonna be. At least being a smartphone it will have all the common features on phones these days, but the 5-limit will kill it for me.
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To be clear - there is NO 5-reinstall limit.
The limit is 5 devices.
Why can't people get this simple facts right?
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To be clear - there is NO 5-reinstall limit.
The limit is 5 devices.
Why can't people get this simple facts right?
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Don't look at me dude. The article was official and from a microsoft answer guy. Don't hate on ppl who believe what it says. Did you read the word in that screenshot? ****! I'm a big time gamer and **** things up all the time. I might have to reinstal my games a bunch of times. Pay once dude. No more.
FriedWP7 said:
Don't look at me dude. The article was official and from a microsoft answer guy. Don't hate on ppl who believe what it says. Did you read the word in that screenshot? ****! I'm a big time gamer and **** things up all the time. I might have to reinstal my games a bunch of times. Pay once dude. No more.
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What are you talking about?
I'm not hating on you. I'm telling you dumbass tech sites have once again failed to check their facts. You can reinstall as many times as you like.
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What are you talking about?
I'm not hating on you. I'm telling you dumbass tech sites have once again failed to check their facts. You can reinstall as many times as you like.
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No offense dude but until I see oficial word from microsoft that it aint true, I'm gonna hold back.
Well for me - yes and no.
If you don't care so much about features than WP7 is in many ways great.
But for me after 3 months of extensive usage - I start to have enough of stupid limitations. In March we will get only c&p and no other functionality enhancements.
I like how this WP7 behaves but it's totally unfinished product.
I rather accept a little choppiness but have all the features than use super fluent skeleton.
BTW this WP7 super fluent behaviour is a little myth. I see little freezes all the time.
More I think of it I see myself getting Android device soon. I don't care if it is "choppy", what is kinda BS TBH. I saw many current strong Androids which are smooth.
And they have oh so much more to offer right now. Sad but true.
I can't even buy apps and nobody knows WHEN this will be possible. And so on.
It will take a year or more to bring WP7 to desired state and I think some of the very useful features will not be supported ever.
Sorry for the rant but after the joy of using something nice has worn off, I just more and more miss features which are cruical for me and it's more than one thing.
I imagine getting SE Arc....
But I still didn't "give up". WP7 is still a great foundation.
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If you've been using Android especially with Sense I don't see how you could ever switch to WP7. I have an HTC Incredible and I bought an HTC Surround to play around with a week ago. The Surround has already been sold. After using Android for years WP7 seems like a joke right now. It is almost closer to a feature phone than a smartphone. I was going to keep it just to use as a Zune and for the Xbox Live features. My original Zune 30GB is 5 times the music player a WP7 phone is. The Xbox live stuff...I'm playing a game, let me switch to something else for a second...Go back to the game, wait loading? Oh yeah, no multitasking.
Maybe if you were coming from a feature phone WP7 might seem nice, but it is far behind Blackberry, Android, and iOS. Even my Samsung Blackjack with WM 6.1 was far more usable. It sucks because I am a Microsoft fanboy. I love my Xbox, my Zune, Windows 7, etc. But WP7 is pretty bad I thought.
Related
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=5475&tag=content;col1
As HD2 owner I am dissapointed.
Again!!
But its just a spokeperson.. so we can't track the source... wich makes it a rumor..
Who cares what someone says at microsoft......they keep saying "No No No" like Amy winehouse....... HD2 can support it with EASE.
The reason why they say "No" is that microsoft has promised manufactuers that NEW OS equals Great Sales.....extacly how they did with the VISTA series !!!
What ever I say to microsoft......they like it or not....WE WILL get WP7S on out HD2 phones.....I love XDA !
One of the main reasons I got the HD2 was that I thought it would be upgradeable... I'm still hoping that it'll happen, one way or another.
I'm passing on the HD2 just beacuse of this reason I got my TP2 and when the HD2 came out I said I would just wait to see what WM7 is going to look like before I upgrade. I'm glad I waited. Guess you guys should have done the same. No one nows if porting to the HD2 will be possible yet so I wouldn't get too excited.
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The reason why they say "No" is that microsoft has promised manufactuers that NEW OS equals Great Sales.....extacly how they did with the VISTA series !!!
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Existing hardware on desktops is upgradeable and Microsoft even gave free updates for systems purchased within the months leading up to release.
It's funny how they still leave the door slightly open with their statement.
The first device that has WP7 on it (as long as it doesn't suck) I'll be buying. My Touch Pro is due for retirement.
if you have read the article you will clearly see that the Microsoft spokesperson said that they currently dont have plans to update the HD2...key word being currently. but WP7 wont be out until around christmas....so curruntly they may not have have an update, but by release time they might. sometimes u have to read in between the lines...its something they are deffinatley working on, because if they werent, they could just give a straight answer instead of beating around the bush.
as a owner of an hd2 I would he dissapointed but I am really positive about this for simple reasons. i may be wrong about this but still ill say my opinion .
as a lot of ppl have seen on YouTube there is a video of someone from Adobe with hd2 with flash 10.1 and a (new kind of IE) which according to me is available on wp7s (according to MS a renewed browser with pinch to zoom )
BTW the home button of hd2 can somehow be reprogramed as the search button.
ok on YouTube you see the start menu but you don't see him opening the browser.
as i said I may be wrong but its my opinion.
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the Microsoft spokesperson said that they currently dont have plans to update the HD2...key word being currently
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No, the key word is "don't".
Yeah when someone says they currently don't have any plans it means they aren't going to do it unless it has a major effect on their business if they don't.
really?
Then that means all the 6.X device can not update to windows phone 7 severies !
Hope some oone could tans 7 to 6.X.
I am waiting
If nothing could do to refresh i will think about android or other os.........
Kloc said:
I'm passing on the HD2 just beacuse of this reason I got my TP2 and when the HD2 came out I said I would just wait to see what WM7 is going to look like before I upgrade. I'm glad I waited. Guess you guys should have done the same. No one nows if porting to the HD2 will be possible yet so I wouldn't get too excited.
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Not really... I'm really annoyed that I, (probably) won't be able to get the new OS on my new 'phone, but let's not forget that the HD2 is still one kick-ass mobile, and I am still seriously impressed with it.
The only thing that annoys me is the amount of people who, on seeing my phone for the first time, say "Ooh, is that an iPhone"
mr_lindy said:
as a owner of an hd2 I would he dissapointed but I am really positive about this for simple reasons. i may be wrong about this but still ill say my opinion .
as a lot of ppl have seen on YouTube there is a video of someone from Adobe with hd2 with flash 10.1 and a (new kind of IE) which according to me is available on wp7s (according to MS a renewed browser with pinch to zoom )
BTW the home button of hd2 can somehow be reprogramed as the search button.
ok on YouTube you see the start menu but you don't see him opening the browser.
as i said I may be wrong but its my opinion.
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Really have no idea what you're talking about, mate.
what a fail...and right before tmo usa will launch their touch hd2...i wonder how this will impact sales. I know I won't switch fully to tmo because of this and unless there's a beta on xda developers very soon, I will not go to touch hd2. I will wait
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what a fail...and right before tmo usa will launch their touch hd2...i wonder how this will impact sales. I know I won't switch fully to tmo because of this and unless there's a beta on xda developers very soon, I will not go to touch hd2. I will wait
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I'm definitely waiting. I was thinking about upgrading to HD2 but I'll just stick with my Touch Pro2 til the holidays.
I've wanted the HD2 from the second I put my eyes on it. It's everything I wanted in a phone minus the slide out keyboard, but the screen size made me willing to bypass that. Then I saw Windows Phone 7 and realized I wanted it on my HD2. Not being able to have it on the HD2 is surely making me reevalutate my future purchase of the tmo HD2 which is released on 3/24.
I may not get the phone at all and I really find that to be a sad thing for myself, HTC, Microsoft and TMobile USA.
Not a huge disappointment. I love the HD2 the way it is. WM 6.5 with HTC Sense does a very nice job in everything I need and use the phone for.
What I don't need is a closed OS with a lot of eyecandy (well, one can argue about that) and xbox integration. Microsoft can state "everything what ppl care about directly at the homescreen" as often as they want. But what I actually care about is efficiency on how I can use the phone. And having big colored blocks on the screen for every possible program/contact/bookmark/pictures/appointment etc. is neither very efficient, nor very effective ...
So glad I didn't wait
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Not a huge disappointment. I love the HD2 the way it is. WM 6.5 with HTC Sense does a very nice job in everything I need and use the phone for.
What I don't need is a closed OS with a lot of eyecandy (well, one can argue about that) and xbox integration. Microsoft can state "everything what ppl care about directly at the homescreen" as often as they want. But what I actually care about is efficiency on how I can use the phone. And having big colored blocks on the screen for every possible program/contact/bookmark/pictures/appointment etc. is neither very efficient, nor very effective ...
So glad I didn't wait
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Well... I should have waited for a good Android phone instead of the HD2.
I'm not at all interested in the dumb iPhone copycat OS that WP7S is. Good UI, but other than that, they've just copied Apple's bad bad policies (out of envy, I think).
I'm not going to adjust myself to an OS that doesn't multitask, doesn't let me install the stuff I want because of Marketplace censorship, doesn't let me manage my files on my own etc.
With Android, like WM6.5, I can have an OS that simply does what I want it to do. I don't have to adjust myself. That's how it should be.
Thus, the only regret I have is that I've not waited for a good Android phone, because WM6.5 is doomed and now nobody will develop anymore for it, whereas the quantity AND quality of the applications on Android has now surpassed Windows Mobile, and the OS itself is almost there.
I'm not sorry either... I change my phones every year - as flashy and useful and nice as they are, they don't last as long as $50 Nokia dumbphones did.
I use my HD2 very heavily and, apart from increased tear, this toy is much more important to me than a regular phone. As such, it absolutely needs to be the best toy around.
Also, the earlier I sell my phones, the more money I'll get.
I love it and enjoy using it for the most part, but by the end of the year I'm sure there will be devices available that I'll want more, and the love affair with HD2 will be pretty much a thing of the past.
Finally, even though I like what I see as regards to WP7, I'm not at all sure it will have the essential apps I need or that it will live up to the promise in its v.1 incarnation.
Android... I can't force myself to like either the OS or the phones carrying it. Yeah, they have multitasking and all, but I'm not buying a principle, I'm buying a phone.
vangrieg said:
Android... I can't force myself to like either the OS or the phones carrying it. Yeah, they have multitasking and all, but I'm not buying a principle, I'm buying a phone.
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So Android buyers buy a principle?! Nonsense... they buy Android phones. Simple as that.
And of course, they buy them because they prefer them to other phones.
And of course, Android's features are reasons to prefer Android phones to other phones - and multitasking, for example, is one of them.
I don't like Google, I don't like Java... but if Google's OS is the only one to suit my needs, then I buy a Google phone. Because I'm not buying a principle (i.e. not Google or not Java), I am buying a phone (i.e. the phone that does what I need it to do).
Wowwww. never thought I would say this for an iPhone. Always a loyal WinMo user and HTC user, recently changed to Android from WinMO. Now this iPhone 4 would be REALLY hard to resist ..... I am being converted ..
Check the live blog:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/steve-jobs-live-from-wwdc-2010/
I guess, now the only issue on which iPhone 4 lacks is the Flash.
What are the opinions guys. Who is dumping HTC/Android/WinMo for iPhone 4????
Nice hardware, shame it runs Apple OS really.
Can't believe how excitedly they were reporting video calls (wifi only btw!) - like it was some major revolution. Have they been living in caves!?
Hardware looks 'ok', but nothing that I would'nt expect from the latest phone on the market. Other than that, as said, as long as it's made by Apple, runs Apple's OS and is held down by the restrictions that follows, I'm never going to consider it over Android.
looks alrite, but i still prefer my HTC and android over apple.
thought android had overtaken iphone in market share???
Android forever )!
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I personally think the box-like shape is terribly ugly. It looks like a portable hard drive.
Couldn't find anything terribly appealing in it.
Would pick up the open-Android over closed-iPhone any day!
Apple can suck the sweat from my balls! I will never buy an Apple product.
I dislike the level of arrogance they seem to have and the business practices they use. And the way Jobs tries to sell us old ideas and features, as new and "revolutionary" really grinds my gears.
That said, the new iphone looks like a sugary sweet device.
battery life looks great though I'd trade that any day! haha
jabok said:
Nice hardware, shame it runs Apple OS really.
Can't believe how excitedly they were reporting video calls (wifi only btw!) - like it was some major revolution. Have they been living in caves!?
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It IS a major revolution... cause Steve Jobs says so.
Please believe me when I say this: if someone would offer me an iPhone 4 in exchange for my HTC Desire I'd take the iPhone, sell it and buy a HTC Incredible (and keep the change )
Android all the way
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looks alrite, but i still prefer my HTC and android over apple.
thought android had overtaken iphone in market share???
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nope, android is no way near apple in terms of market share.
but anyway, the phone looks pretty awesome (326 ppi screen!!!)
video calling over wifi only sucks, but fring is already on the app store and im pretty sure they could add video like on the evo (if apple lets it! which they probably wont!)
flash isn't a huge issue for me because all the websites i use for video (like iplayer, tvcatchup.com) already work on the iphone.
the level of polish on the iphone software is also awesome, it's so fast and smooth, and the quality/number of apps on the app store blows the android market away.
will i be getting one? probably not, they're so darn expensive! and i'd miss the customisation you get with android.
Pure Marketing
*cough*
Evo 4g which is actually 4g lol
samac92 said:
nope, android is no way near apple in terms of market share.
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Thats not true. Android outsold Apples Iphone in US alraedy back in April.
http://mashable.com/2010/05/10/android-outselling-iphone/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/may/10/google-android-outsells-apple-iphone
nope, android is no way near apple in terms of market share.
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Thats not true. Android outsold Apples Iphone in US alraedy back in April.
http://mashable.com/2010/05/10/android-outselling-iphone/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/may/10/google-android-outsells-apple-iphone
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Yeah, for one quarter!
No doubt that android will pass the iPhone on terms of market share but its not there yet!
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jannen said:
Thats not true. Android outsold Apples Iphone in US alraedy back in April.
http://mashable.com/2010/05/10/android-outselling-iphone/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/may/10/google-android-outsells-apple-iphone
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Those results were just for the first quarter of this year. It means Android is starting to catch up, but crApple have sold way more in the past so still has a bigger user base.
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What are the opinions guys. Who is dumping HTC/Android/WinMo for iPhone 4????
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I'll have an iPhone when you put it in my cold, dead hands.
jannen said:
Thats not true. Android outsold Apples Iphone in US alraedy back in April.
http://mashable.com/2010/05/10/android-outselling-iphone/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/may/10/google-android-outsells-apple-iphone
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Apple's market share is 3 times that of Android - and this is only in the US, Android isn't as popular elsewhere in the world.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/05/iphone-vs-android-report-finds-apple-has-three-times-googles/
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I guess, now the only issue on which iPhone 4 lacks is the Flash.
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I would say the only issue is the fact the iPhone is "Apple opereted". Nice piece of work but I don't like the "jail feeling" of this OS!
So you can still show me the perfect hardware, I'll pass my way...
Nuntius said:
I would say the only issue is the fact the iPhone is "Apple opereted". Nice piece of work but I don't like the "jail feeling" of this OS!
So you can still show me the perfect hardware, I'll pass my way...
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yeah i think that's the only reason why all of us are using android, we want to do what we want with our phones!
but i dont blame apple for doing it, i really don't think the iphone would be were it is today if apple let developers and users do whatever they want. with apple controlling everything you get a reliable, consistent smooth operation, which the average user loves. Average Joe doesn't care if apps have to be approved by apple - in fact the average apple users has no idea what goes on in terms of apps and restrictions - all they see is the end product.
the few that do either go android or jailbreak!
The iPhone always looked like a good idea to me on the face of things but I wouldn't get on because they're too expensive and the OS is too closed. There are some ways where the iPhone and the apple OS currently out does Android, susch as the apps, but on balance a Desire running Android is still the phone for me. I know lots of people who have an iPhone who will definitely get it, and if they're happy with the OS and the cost there's not really any reason not to.
Wow, I've been reading through this forum after receiving my second WP7 device. I was an avid android user and built my own custom roms on there and never once did I come across one thing (despite people like Cyanogenmod who do amazing things) that ever came close to comparing the feel and the general UI of windows phone 7. Yes, android is great in the gaming department and being able to get ANY app free was nice but that novelty wears off and then what do you have except an ugly UI that's laggy and overdone. The multiple launchers were not a bad thing either, too bad almost all of them seemed like distros of eachother with one or two extra features. The best one I stumbled across was windows phone android which was a slow boring cheap imitation of the windows phone 7 metro UI. Ladies and gentlemen, we give you the best android can do. Really, should you base an entire UI on the fact that the game developers have invested more into android in 2 years than they have in WP7 in 3 months? We've progressed exponentially faster than android in these 3 months and are continuing to snowball. Oh, but you cant copy and paste or use your phone as a USB drive? Well, who needs to, I don't use my phone as a thumb drive, I have an 8 dollar flash drive for that. I use it as a multimedia device with live streaming video, slacker radio, and zune player, I use it as a camera with a quick draw camera that can go from locked to camera mode in the time it takes to pull it from your pocket. I use it as a web browsing device with a browser that despite the lack of flash has already functioned on more websites than androids ever did for me. I use it for gaming, seamless gaming, we may not have the quantity of games yet but I've always been a firm believer in quality over quantity. And most of all I use it as a phone, beautiful dialer, clear sound, and no hanging up with my face. I'm sorry that I dont have to use my phone as a disk drive, I dont find it necessary to put a new rom on my phone every 30 minutes just to get my phone fully functional. I have no need for it when I can just copy my multimedia files over. Copy and paste on a phone? Really how lazy are you... I mean seriously it's not hard to type and if you're handling word documents on your phone then let me introduce you to a laptop, it's portable and you dont have to look like a douchebag for typing on it for long periods of time. I do not get the hostility towards WP7 users aside from the fact that we are an obvious threat to that niche android has carved itself amongst the low-end device world. Android was great as a low-end device but I wanted to move on up to something a little more adult.
To argue windows phone 7 as a more adult platform is stupidity. Furthermore, to argue android as a low-end device is retarded. Android is an operating system, not a device. Diving even further into the matter, calling an open source platform anything short of amazing in today's society would be an understatment. To bash the flow of custom roms present on android is to say you don't expect more out of belittled hardware your holding in your very hands. Your saying having the same old ui on every windows phone 7 device you hold isn't a waste of perfectly capable hardware? You also argue android phones are limited to flashing custom roms to get the most out of your phone. Hmm..I know plenty of satisfied people, including my own mother, who are perfectly happy with their android phone stock. Bashing custom roms like they're a bad thing is destroying the foundation xda devlopers is even built on, it's heart and soul. We get it your happy with your purchase, cool. Move on with life no need to share your opinion on an openminded forum filled with trolls and geeks willing to dispute their case over and over and over. In all seriousness the Zune HD interface was mind-blowing, a phone based on that, again amazing. The thing that drags most every amazing ui and platform down is it not being open.
You also admitted to pirating apps in writing, and bashed custom roms you created? Hm..
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To argue windows phone 7 as a more adult platform is stupidity. Furthermore, to argue android as a low-end device is retarded. Android is an operating system, not a device.
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more developed as a platform? No. More appealing to an adult user who doesnt spend most of their time... well... here. Absolutely, no doubt.
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more developed as a platform? No. More appealing to an adult user who doesnt spend most of their time... well... here. Absolutely, no doubt.
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Lol. I kind of agree with this.
Android looks like a God among platforms on a website trolled and perused by geeks and hackers.
It looks pretty rough out in the real world, though...
N8ter said:
Lol. I kind of agree with this.
Android looks like a God among platforms on a website trolled and perused by geeks and hackers.
It looks pretty rough out in the real world, though...
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Thanks for your input, as a once vibrant user I do apologize for any loss of sanity that may occur. The galaxy S series is just garish to anyone who really USES their phone as something more than a phone.
I'm looking at other phones to get rid of this one at the moment.
I'm even considering a Blackberry Bold 9780, that's how terrible my experience with this phone is.
After CES if nothing spectacular is coming out I'll open another line and then sell this one to ETF the other line, but keep my current SIM card (changing phone numbers yet again... will anger many people I know ).
I'm keeping up on WP7 because I like that they double up as Zune HDs. Unfortunately I don't think the devices out right now really scratch my itch.
My coworkers all hate me for getting Android phones banned on our Exchange server after I lost my first Vibrant and IT found out they didn't support Remote Wipe :<
Yeah, I was fortunate enough to find a guy who was looking for a behold 2 for his HD7... I dont really understand why anyone in the world would want the behold 2 but I had an extra one laying around that I'd never even powered on so I figured why not... I will never turn back.
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Yeah, I was fortunate enough to find a guy who was looking for a behold 2 for his HD7... I dont really understand why anyone in the world would want the behold 2 but I had an extra one laying around that I'd never even powered on so I figured why not... I will never turn back.
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Hrm, maybe I'll try to strike a deal on Craigslist or something. I have an extra HD2 lying around I can probably score a deal on, especially with the Android NAND project delivering a functional ROM for that phone... I've never tried Android on that phone, but I guess it's pretty popular these days (especially since the last week ro so)!
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The galaxy S series is just garish to anyone who really USES their phone as something more than a phone.
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Couldn't disagree more. From an everyday use point of view the galaxy s beats wp7 hands down. My wife disagrees of course - she loves her Optimus 7 (save for the lack of turn by turn nav). Point is everyone has different expectations from there phone.
Surely a "grown up" wp7 user like yourself can understand that .
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more developed as a platform? No. More appealing to an adult user who doesnt spend most of their time... well... here. Absolutely, no doubt.
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Are there a lot of adults out there who feel the need to carry their Xbox avatars in their pockets?
Because according to Microsoft's own ad campaign, playing Xbox games without getting in trouble is the "best" part of the phone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1RvPQHZDOs
How adult.
@Radeon, I completely agree on the part where each of us have different needs, my comment was more directed at the hostility surrounding our forum by android users. If I wanted to attack an OS without reason I'd hit iphone.
@Greenbird, I've stated time and time again that Microsofts ad-campaign managers need to be taken out back and bludgeoned to death with iphones (so that garbage can get some kind of use) My original impression of the HD7 thanks to them was, "Oh joy, It's a 4.3 inch screen and 1 gHz processor that is meant to be taken out of my pocket for about 5 seconds to swipe and check my updates then go. It seemed completely impractical. They undersell the UI in every ad and it's completely nonsensical. I do enjoy the occasional game of fruit ninja but I can honestly say this is the only phone ive had since before Windows mobile 2003 that I didnt feel it was necessary for me to install third party apps to make the phone great.
You successfully brought the Android fanboys out... by insulting their beloved OS. I did love Android... but I'd take WP7's smootheness and ease of use over Android any day. I like that I have half my life back. Android and WinMo were exhausting all of my time. MS's ad campaign is right... I have more time with my WP7 now for... well... life.
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You successfully brought the Android fanboys out... by insulting their beloved OS. I did love Android... but I'd take WP7's smootheness and ease of use over Android any day. I like that I have half my life back. Android and WinMo were exhausting all of my time. MS's ad campaign is right... I have more time with my WP7 now for... well... life.
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LMAO, seriously. These kiddies came flying out of the gates to defend their beloved wack OS.
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I have more time with my WP7 now for... well... life.
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LOL. That's because all you can do with your beloved Windoze Phone is listen to Zune and twiddle your thumbs while waiting for all those phantom updates that you hope will drag your OS out of 2007.
greenbrd said:
LOL. That's because all you can do with your beloved Windoze Phone is listen to Zune and twiddle your thumbs while waiting for all those phantom updates that you hope will drag your OS out of 2007.
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nah, more like we don't have to tweak and cook roms just to make our phones work "ok" much less at an optimized pace like WP7 phones operate at. If I still want to tweak I have my WM6.5 device. But no thanks, finally found a phone that WORKS. ;-)
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finally found a phone that WORKS. ;-)
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But what does it do? Zune, Xbox, email, and Facebook?
Wow. Where do I sign up?
Everyone has their own expectation for their daily use phone. Some only want to use the phone to make calls and SMS, some might use the phone to its full potential like email, surf, social networking and even games.
But there is an important fact that we need to aware of, there are phone savvy users and "idiot" users. A savvy user will expect more from their daily used phone and they will never satisfy with the performance of the phone. A very good example, i have both Galaxy S and Omnia 7. The problem is i am always looking forward in flashing new ROMs for my Galaxy S in order to achieve better performance. I would say its a never ending story until nobody releases new ROMs. For non savvy user, they will never know what's good or bad, as long as they can make calls and SMS, they will be satisfied. Most importantly, a 70 year old user is also able to adapt to the phone easily.
Therefore, i would say MS has done a good job in WP7, a very solid platform. No whatsoever performance issue. Hence its definitely a very powerful platform catering to non savvy user.
It has nothing to do with being tech savvy or not. I mean read your statement. You flash roms to improve your performance and yet you say wp7 has no performance issues. Androids success relies solely on its developers because there is nothing pleasant about the UI or social integration. The market is the only thing that sales Android. The os itself is a letdown at best.
greenbrd said:
But what does it do? Zune, Xbox, email, and Facebook?
Wow. Where do I sign up?
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And Android does what? Pirated apps, Wifi hotspot and plenty of lags and crashes? I'm duly impressed.
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It has nothing to do with being tech savvy or not. I mean read your statement. You flash roms to improve your performance and yet you say wp7 has no performance issues. Androids success relies solely on its developers because there is nothing pleasant about the UI or social integration. The market is the only thing that sales Android. The os itself is a letdown at best.
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+1. The dev. support that Android has it what makes it MUCH better than it is in stock form. WM6 has more capabilities than Android, just less developer support and worse advertising. Android phones got great hype from Verizon (the Droids) and T-Mobile, so that's where it won half the battle; by getting people excited for it. And yet WM6.5 devices can still own Android devices in every way possible. Does the general public know this? Nope...they just buy what they're told like the sheep they are.
Hey guys, I've been looking everywhere on XDA and on bing but cannot find any forum icons or signatures to use. I'm looking for broken android robots or something to show that I can't stand android. Since this is the WP forum, obviously I'm all for WP and would love to see a windows logo eating the android robot or something. I don't care I just want to find something to represent my opinion on this. If anyone has any suggestions I would very much appreciate it. I've been searching all yesterday, late last night and all today but still have found nothing.
Please let me know if you have any suggestions, thankyou very much.
Doubt it, most of us aren't so petty.
Here's a good one
http://www.technorotic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/pipi-android_t.jpg
Here's another
Lol. Gtfo this Forum. Don't talk sh... like that on a forum which is especially designed for android.
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Lol. Gtfo this Forum. Don't talk sh... like that on a forum which is especially designed for android.
Galaxy GT-I9000 spoke
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What forum are you talking about? Xda was originally a Windows Mobile forum (PocketPC) http://web.archive.org/web/20060508163548/http://forum.xda-developers.com/front_page.php
I like android too..
I don't understand being a fanboy.
The only os I don't personally like is ios, because it's boring imo.
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What forum are you talking about? Xda was originally a Windows Mobile forum (PocketPC) http://web.archive.org/web/20060508163548/http://forum.xda-developers.com/front_page.php
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In a sense, Android is everything WinMo could have and should have been. Android is like a perfected and fully supported WinMo. Where MS was lazy or lackluster about fostering WinMo, Google is doing the opposite with Android.
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In a sense, Android is everything WinMo could have and should have been. Android is like a perfected and fully supported WinMo. Where MS was lazy or lackluster about fostering WinMo, Google is doing the opposite with Android.
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I disagree. Microsoft naturally progressed into quality. Winmo made a great PDA but it, like android, simply didn't make for a good phone. Wp7 chose user experience. Android chose pocket PC.
MartyLK said:
In a sense, Android is everything WinMo could have and should have been. Android is like a perfected and fully supported WinMo. Where MS was lazy or lackluster about fostering WinMo, Google is doing the opposite with Android.
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While true, I have to admit that I have never seen a WM/PocketPC device. First mobile windows OS I saw was WP7 in a local store, loved it and bought the omnia 7. The salesman tried to tell me that android is better and tried to sell me a galaxy s, almost bought it but then it crashed while he was showing it... Haven't regretted choosing wp7 over android. I know some android fanboys who have jumped over to wp7 after seeing my omnia 7...
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While true, I have to admit that I have never seen a WM/PocketPC device. First mobile windows OS I saw was WP7 in a local store, loved it and bought the omnia 7. The salesman tried to tell me that android is better and tried to sell me a galaxy s, almost bought it but then it crashed while he was showing it... Haven't regretted chooesing wp7 over android. I know some android fanboys who have jumped over to wp7 after seeing my omnia 7...
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LOL...I had a similar experience when I took my HTC Inspire to a local AT&T to have them look at a compass issue. The lady serving me owned an Inspire and attempted to install a compass from the market to see if her Inspire would do what mine was doing. She couldn't do it because her Inspire froze up while trying to install a compass and she had to borrow someone else's Inspire.
WP7 is the sweet one, for sure. To me it's a work of art. But I can't wait for MS to get behind it like they did with the XBOX and like Google does with Android. If and when MS does that, the competition will quake and shiver in fear.
Android isn't the problem....it's the certain fandroids that ruin it...
How is google behind android? It's a half-assed ad platform.
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How is google behind android? It's a half-assed ad platform.
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if they weren't it wouldn't be developing so quickly..
Ics actually looks awesome imo.
I just like phones, I don't get into the pissing match bs
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if they weren't it wouldn't be developing so quickly..
Ics actually looks awesome imo.
I just like phones, I don't get into the pissing match bs
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Same here. I even still like WinMo. Just wish there was better app support for it.
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if they weren't it wouldn't be developing so quickly..
Ics actually looks awesome imo.
I just like phones, I don't get into the pissing match bs
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nor do I, I don't see it developing quickly. Gingerbread brought little more than a pallet swap, the last truly big update was eclair, and ICS still lags like crazy even on the flagship.
I'm with the others—don't be petty, to each his own, yada yada.
That said, I just had to look for the images anyway.
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nor do I, I don't see it developing quickly. Gingerbread brought little more than a pallet swap, the last truly big update was eclair, and ICS still lags like crazy even on the flagship.
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what? No it doesn't...
Obviously you didn't try it.
I don't understand making up bs just to try to make your opinion valid.
Sounds like n8ter...
Ics included hardware acceleration which was a huge step imo
ICS doesnt include hardware acceleration outside of the browser. That was a rumor that originated here on XDA. Compared to the competitors it's downright sluggish
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ICS doesnt include hardware acceleration outside of the browser. That was a rumor that originated here on XDA. Compared to the competitors it's downright sluggish
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yes it does..
I dunno where you get your info lol
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yes it does..
I dunno where you get your info lol
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That's cool. Like I say, Google stands behind Android and supports it. People like Steve Woz and that WP7 dude who left for Google know where the progress is being made. Interesting times.
couple things i'm concerned with
i use talk with all of my friends and my wife, is there a talk app for wp7?
how is the navigation?
thinking of getting the focus s
how bad is the transition from android to wp7?
svtfmook said:
couple things i'm concerned with
i use talk with all of my friends and my wife, is there a talk app for wp7?
how is the navigation?
thinking of getting the focus s
how bad is the transition from android to wp7?
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yes there are a few google talk apps!
The nav isn't great but there are alternative apps that are good.
I personally love it, I remember you from the x10 forums.
Switching for me has been a great experience.
Never any lag, and a nice coherent fluid experience throughout the whole os.
Try to get a focus 1.3, win7.5 is out for that currently. The win.5 is smooth and more easy to use than android
Sent from my Nexus S ICS using XDA App
what is a focus 1.3?
svtfmook said:
couple things i'm concerned with
i use talk with all of my friends and my wife, is there a talk app for wp7?
how is the navigation?
thinking of getting the focus s
how bad is the transition from android to wp7?
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There's GChat. The OEM nav is excellent but you have to tap the screen to progress through the voice notifications. The best way to use the Nav is through the search function rather than through the nav app.
I'd say go for it. It's an excellent system. Just don't expect much customization...actually expect a better, more refined iPhone experience.
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There's GChat. The OEM nav is excellent but you have to tap the screen to progress through the voice notifications. The best way to use the Nav is through the search function rather than through the nav app.
I'd say go for it. It's an excellent system. Just don't expect much customization...actually expect a better, more refined iPhone experience.
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though dev unlocking does help with customization quite a bit as homebrew has workarounds.
The os really is a work of art imo.
Gchat doesn't compare to Messenger on Android. None of the workarounds come close to Androids native apps.
If you're used to the Google ecosystem, you'll absolutely hate this OS. If not, then you may enjoy this OS.
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Gchat doesn't compare to Messenger on Android. None of the workarounds come close to Androids native apps.
If you're used to the Google ecosystem, you'll absolutely hate this OS. If not, then you may enjoy this OS.
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I used android for two years and love it...
Why do you seem to hate it so much but use it?
I actually find the social integration and overall experience much better than android, and worth the trade off of constantly being able to flash roms and change launchers
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Gchat doesn't compare to Messenger on Android. None of the workarounds come close to Androids native apps.
If you're used to the Google ecosystem, you'll absolutely hate this OS. If not, then you may enjoy this OS.
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this is one of the more well-known trolls in the wp7 fora. Don't expect much positivity from this end.
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this is one of the more well-known trolls in the wp7 fora. Don't expect much positivity from this end.
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i just don't get why if him and n8ter hate it so much, they dont just get different phones?
Trade or something lol instead of spending all day complaining about it on here
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Its in reference to the REV # (on the ORIGINAL Focus phones), which is seen on a sticker under the battery. Rev 1.3 was the main shipment, but Samsung for some reason changed the chips for Rev 1.4 and that batch caused all sorts of mayhem with updates due to differing firmware needed.
However, Rev 1.4 phones are also now receiving Mango so I wouldn't worry much about it.
*edit* Since you stated you wanted the Focus S, this isn't an issue
As far as moving from Android to WP, I made the move back in Feb and will never look back. There are a few things it still needs, but its barely a year old and Mango brought 90% of what I need, into a vastly superior UI experience and stable platform with what is to me, a much larger potential for greatness than the others. The next year is going to be pretty exciting for both WP and Win8 and I expect it to grow pretty well over the next 12 months.
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Its in reference to the REV #, which is seen on a sticker under the battery. Rev 1.3 was the main shipment, but Samsung for some reason changed the chips for Rev 1.4 and that batch caused all sorts of mayhem with updates due to differing firmware needed.
However, Rev 1.4 phones are also now receiving Mango so I wouldn't worry much about it. Although, if you can avoid getting one it would be beneficial for who knows what the next update will be like for these.
I bought 4 used Focus phones and none were 1.4. All from ebay. It was a smaller batch of phones so chances are you will not get one.
As far as moving from Android to WP, I made the move back in Feb and will never look back. There are a few things it still needs, but its barely a year old and Mango brought 90% of what I need, into a vastly superior UI experience and stable platform with what is to me, a much larger potential for greatness than the others. The next year is going to be pretty exciting for both WP and Win8 and I expect it to grow pretty well over the next 12 months.
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he's looking at the focus s though...
Not an original focus
Trolling equals posting a opinion. Ok.
Not my fault this POS OS sucks. I wouldn't want anyone to suffer this embarrassing MS product. I'm ONLY using it because the guy I got it from freaking hated it, and damn near gave it to me. Plus it'll hold me over until the Nexus price drop.
This OS is great for information, but totally sucks at actually doing anything. Smooth natively, laggy beyond that. The apps more than just suck, they cost money and still suck. App support is nowhere to be found. Don't believe me , read the comments from the very very very few users in the market place.
Im a troll for being a dissatisfied user. I find it hard to believe that it's 2011 and people are satisfied with crap. This OS makes simple things hard, ex moving the cursor. Another example video mms. Sharing ringtones? Simple stuff. I could go on forever.
You can still enjoy the phone if all you do is Facebook , twitter, text and read information. That's it.
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Trolling equals posting a opinion. Ok.
Not my fault this POS OS sucks. I wouldn't want anyone to suffer this embarrassing MS product. I'm ONLY using it because the guy I got it from freaking hated it, and damn near gave it to me. Plus it'll hold me over until the Nexus price drop.
This OS is great for information, but totally sucks at actually doing anything. Smooth natively, laggy beyond that. The apps more than just suck, they cost money and still suck. App support is nowhere to be found. Don't believe me , read the comments from the very very very few users in the market place.
Im a troll for being a dissatisfied user. I find it hard to believe that it's 2011 and people are satisfied with crap. This OS makes simple things hard, ex moving the cursor. Another example video mms. Sharing ringtones? Simple stuff. I could go on forever.
You can still enjoy the phone if all you do is Facebook , twitter, text and read information. That's it.
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Glad you could get your thoughts out 0_0
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Trolling equals posting a opinion. Ok.
Not my fault this POS OS sucks. I wouldn't want anyone to suffer this embarrassing MS product. I'm ONLY using it because the guy I got it from freaking hated it, and damn near gave it to me. Plus it'll hold me over until the Nexus price drop.
This OS is great for information, but totally sucks at actually doing anything. Smooth natively, laggy beyond that. The apps more than just suck, they cost money and still suck. App support is nowhere to be found. Don't believe me , read the comments from the very very very few users in the market place.
Im a troll for being a dissatisfied user. I find it hard to believe that it's 2011 and people are satisfied with crap. This OS makes simple things hard, ex moving the cursor. Another example video mms. Sharing ringtones? Simple stuff. I could go on forever.
You can still enjoy the phone if all you do is Facebook , twitter, text and read information. That's it.
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no trolling equals hating an os but spending all day on a forum talking about it..
It makes no sense..
The os is good, you're just a douche troll
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he's looking at the focus s though...
Not an original focus
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Whoops..missed that. Still relevant to his question though
vetvito said:
Trolling equals posting a opinion. Ok.
Not my fault this POS OS sucks. I wouldn't want anyone to suffer this embarrassing MS product. I'm ONLY using it because the guy I got it from freaking hated it, and damn near gave it to me. Plus it'll hold me over until the Nexus price drop.
This OS is great for information, but totally sucks at actually doing anything. Smooth natively, laggy beyond that. The apps more than just suck, they cost money and still suck. App support is nowhere to be found. Don't believe me , read the comments from the very very very few users in the market place.
Im a troll for being a dissatisfied user. I find it hard to believe that it's 2011 and people are satisfied with crap. This OS makes simple things hard, ex moving the cursor. Another example video mms. Sharing ringtones? Simple stuff. I could go on forever.
You can still enjoy the phone if all you do is Facebook , twitter, text and read information. That's it.
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Better return your phone then as you must have a hardware issue. no lag here on my htc surround which is a 1st generation phone. The email is awesome and has none of the lag that the 3 android phones that peeps use at my work have.
as for the cursor, hold your finger, it appears, move it. how hard is that?
Anyway if you want a consistant phone that never needs rebooting and is very stable, windows phone is for you. There isn't as much customization as android, but there doesn't have to be. The apps from the marketplace are top notch and all have free trials so you can try before you buy.
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no trolling equals hating an os but spending all day on a forum talking about it..
It makes no sense..
The os is good, you're just a douche troll
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cool story bro. Would've understood you better without that thing in your mouth.
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Better return your phone then as you must have a hardware issue. no lag here on my htc surround which is a 1st generation phone. The email is awesome and has none of the lag that the 3 android phones that peeps use at my work have.
as for the cursor, hold your finger, it appears, move it. how hard is that?
Anyway if you want a consistant phone that never needs rebooting and is very stable, windows phone is for you. There isn't as much customization as android, but there doesn't have to be. The apps from the marketplace are top notch and all have free trials so you can try before you buy.
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open Fuse and tell me it doesn't lag. Open BE and tell me it doesn't lag, hell tell me a third party app that doesn't lag.
Hold my finger and it selects the whole word. Need a cursor marker like smartphones should have.
scoobysnacks said:
I used android for two years and love it...
Why do you seem to hate it so much but use it?
I actually find the social integration and overall experience much better than android, and worth the trade off of constantly being able to flash roms and change launchers
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You said a lot there. The social integration and especially the IM function is second to none. I find WP7's messaging function much more convenient and just as easy to use, and just as useful, as Google's Talk. But FB account is needed to make it this way, for anyone interested.
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cool story bro. Would've understood you better without that thing in your mouth.
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open Fuse and tell me it doesn't lag. Open BE and tell me it doesn't lag, hell tell me a third party app that doesn't lag.
Hold my finger and it selects the whole word. Need a cursor marker like smartphones should have.
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none of my apps lag..
What? If you tap it selects the word. If you hold the cursor marker comes up LOL
Smh