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Is it worth the wait for the touch pro 3?

touch pro 2 is really awesome, but seriously, the same processor, ram and camera??
K also there are gonna be some 1 GHz phones coming up soon I read, so I htought about and well, the touch pro 2 i PERFECT, but under powered..... so, umm.. really is it worth it, if it comes to t-mobile than who knows whne a better wm phone will come around to t-mobile, so I guess that would be nice but would I be better off just to wait for a better phone and just get it unlocked, cause honestly, how would it feel to have the best phone ever and then 3 months later have it crushed by 1 GHz processors? But I really like this phone, just cant decide if its worth it or not cause othere than the processor, it is AMAZING, if only they uped it to like 700 something cause.. COME ONE 1 GHz phones???

I seriously think the only reason people think it is underpowered is because they aren't seeing a speed bump between it and the orginal touch pro. Does that mean that it's bad, insufficient, or underpowered? Not necessarily? I'm using a titan, so I haven't spent time with the TP or THD, but is more power needed? HTC has worked hard to improve the efficiency of their software and the smothness of the build. That was specifically mentioned by multiple reps at WDC (getting from vids, I wasn't there). There aren't many 3D games on these yet so really the only thing that I can image better specs making a significant difference in is video performance. How has the THD and TP done in these respects when using custom builds and being optimized?
If it's not necessary, I might prefer the lower specs as it will lead to better batter life and a lower cost. I don't want power just because it's possible. Rather, I want what is best for my overall experience.

Agreed - battery life is key and the phone looks to be powered just right for me and how I use it. I guess a phone in the hand is sometimes worth more than two in the bushes (or drawing boards...). I'm pretty sure I'm gonna go for it as soon as it's out for AT&T.
~Eric

so its going to suffer the same video issues that plague the HD, diamond and the Pro. what a bore.

i will wait for the touch pro 3 if it has a dpad and softkeys.

ekerbuddyeker said:
so its going to suffer the same video issues that plague the HD, diamond and the Pro. what a bore.
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Don't have those models or have even seen them. I have the antiquated Vogue and I've never experienced a video problem unless I try to play a movie far too outsized for the device. then frames drop like mad. But if I use it sensibly the video is great. My chief complaint is that at times the audio will go perhaps a half second out of sync. Nothing intolerable.

Yeah but also if 1 GHz phones coemout a few months after this then they will all be cabable of peforming htings that this phone never will be, its not that its not enougph power, especially when your coming from a tilt, but at the same time to think that the phones could be over powered by otehre phones by such a large margin in a matter of months kinda scares me, but all the otehre thinkgsd they tweaked make me love this phone, better speakers, better touch scree, thinner phone, better battery life, and also highr resoultuion.

Link278 said:
Yeah but also if 1 GHz phones coemout a few months after this then they will all be cabable of peforming htings that this phone never will be, its not that its not enougph power, especially when your coming from a tilt, but at the same time to think that the phones could be over powered by otehre phones by such a large margin in a matter of months kinda scares me, but all the otehre thinkgsd they tweaked make me love this phone, better speakers, better touch scree, thinner phone, better battery life, and also highr resoultuion.
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I don't quite get that argument. Computers in virtually every form factor have always been overpowered in a matter of months. Hence Moore's Law. That doesn't seem to me like a good reason to wait. You'll be able to make the same argument when the 1GHz phones are available. "1.5 GHZ phones are just around the corner! Don't buy now! You won't be able to use the latest mobile Java Twitter client that might be released 6 months after the new phones are available."

Or pehaps wait for the TP4
If you wait 2 years you´ll have a better device than the TP2...

my main concern is that it has the same processor as the touch pro 1 and alot of the new phones had that too so maybe just a couple monts later better phones will comeo ut but yeah this phone has a lot of great features too

Link278 said:
my main concern is that it has the same processor as the touch pro 1 and alot of the new phones had that too so maybe just a couple monts later better phones will comeo ut but yeah this phone has a lot of great features too
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Perhaps, but as has been mentioned elsewhere it seems likely to me that the roadblock to faster processors is not the technology of the processor per se, but the battery life.
Would you take twice the processor at half the battery? Or 30% greater size/weight? No idea if the change is that drastic, and some people obviously would make that trade. But I don't think that phone would have the target market that this one does - and my suspicion is that such a target market would be much smaller than is practical for anything but a luxury phone. The same sort of market that spends $1000 for a wallpaper app.
In any case, while advances in batteries are being made, I'm not aware of any substantial improvements ready for production on the horizon.

ajbopp said:
Perhaps, but as has been mentioned elsewhere it seems likely to me that the roadblock to faster processors is not the technology of the processor per se, but the battery life.
Would you take twice the processor at half the battery? Or 30% greater size/weight? No idea if the change is that drastic, and some people obviously would make that trade. But I don't think that phone would have the target market that this one does - and my suspicion is that such a target market would be much smaller than is practical for anything but a luxury phone. The same sort of market that spends $1000 for a wallpaper app.
In any case, while advances in batteries are being made, I'm not aware of any substantial improvements ready for production on the horizon.
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I guess you have a pretty good point, I just hope that other phones at that are released at the same time are faster and lighter

Well, I can understand the frustration with an unchanged processor at 500 MHz and a doubling to 1GHz right around the corner. However, I think it will be sufficient. Either way, I won't be able to buy till December anyway so I'll have a pretty good idea about what's coming out next and might have more options besides the Rhodium on Sprint.
Either way, my main requirements are still there. Large and High Res touchscreen (VGA or WVGA), hardware keyboard, and a decent amount of hardware buttons (getting worse )

Poke_N_PDA said:
Either way, my main requirements are still there. Large and High Res touchscreen (VGA or WVGA), hardware keyboard, and a decent amount of hardware buttons (getting worse )
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Heh...my requirements are almost the opposite, except for the screen. The Rhodium would be perfect for me if it just didn't have that damn keyboard. Maybe Sprint will come out with something like the HD2 for me, but it's not looking like it'll be 2009 if they do.

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Heh...my requirements are almost the opposite, except for the screen. The Rhodium would be perfect for me if it just didn't have that damn keyboard. Maybe Sprint will come out with something like the HD2 for me, but it's not looking like it'll be 2009 if they do.
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I think we'll see more hit in 2009 (not necessarily from HTC). Also, I really think we'll see the screens keep getting bigger as they can continue to shove it closer to the edge of the device and make the device thinner. Eventually, I wouldn't be surprised if we maxed out at a 4.1 inch WVGA screen. You could do it in a device the size of the iPhone, we just probably aren't quite there technologically.

Well yeah ur right technoledgy will alwaye become better, so i think I would just get this phone unless there are better phones out thwne it comes out which i doubt will hapeen

ajbopp said:
Perhaps, but as has been mentioned elsewhere it seems likely to me that the roadblock to faster processors is not the technology of the processor per se, but the battery life.
Would you take twice the processor at half the battery? Or 30% greater size/weight? No idea if the change is that drastic, and some people obviously would make that trade. But I don't think that phone would have the target market that this one does - and my suspicion is that such a target market would be much smaller than is practical for anything but a luxury phone. The same sort of market that spends $1000 for a wallpaper app.
In any case, while advances in batteries are being made, I'm not aware of any substantial improvements ready for production on the horizon.
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Not relevant: a fast processor car throtle down its speed to spare energy
Besides the new 1 Ghz processor will be engraved with a smaller process --> should also save energy. I havent checked the power consumption of the new Ghz processor but I can bet it is likely to be the same
It's quite likely HTC just wnated to save money (Or was not ready yet to integrate the new processor in its product)
About video issues: it's not a matter of speed of the processor but if I recall well video drivers issues (Hopefully they fixed it with the Rhodium but I doubt it. It seems HTC doesnt care)
What would be exciting to wait for is a phone with the new Tegra from nvidia. It will actually probably come out in the next few months

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Heh...my requirements are almost the opposite, except for the screen. The Rhodium would be perfect for me if it just didn't have that damn keyboard. Maybe Sprint will come out with something like the HD2 for me, but it's not looking like it'll be 2009 if they do.
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Why dont you go for the Diamond2 then ?

Alcibiade said:
Not relevant: a fast processor car throtle down its speed to spare energy
Besides the new 1 Ghz processor will be engraved with a smaller process --> should also save energy. I havent checked the power consumption of the new Ghz processor but I can bet it is likely to be the same
It's quite likely HTC just wnated to save money (Or was not ready yet to integrate the new processor in its product)
About video issues: it's not a matter of speed of the processor but if I recall well video drivers issues (Hopefully they fixed it with the Rhodium but I doubt it. It seems HTC doesnt care)
What would be exciting to wait for is a phone with the new Tegra from nvidia. It will actually probably come out in the next few months
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but since thats not a htc phone doesnt that mean it wont be on xda's website, and if thats the caase, im not sure its worth the 472 MHz lol

Alcibiade said:
Why dont you go for the Diamond2 then ?
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Smaller screen.

[face_palm] HTC Desire HD.

Well isn't this rumour fantastic news?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/15/rumored-htc-desire-hd-specs-surface-4-3-inch-screen-8-megapixe/

Afro Az said:
Well isn't this rumour fantastic news?
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/15/rumored-htc-desire-hd-specs-surface-4-3-inch-screen-8-megapixe/
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October timeframe sounds about right. It doesn't sound like enough of an upgrade for me to worry about it, so I guess I'll skip that generation and wait for the next.
Regards,
Dave

damn aluminium body <3 shame about the too big screen, though it be prob possible to port some of the stuff from it to our desires

I just read that on another site and considering I just bought my Desire online yesterday (so it isn't here yet), it wasn't be best news item to read.
I didn't really want a 4.3" screen though (especially if it's pentile...), and while the aluminium body sounds great, none of the other changes are appealing enough to me to worry about.

I know it happens all the time in the tech world. But I hate the feeling I get when something newer and shinier comes out and I can't get it. Especially when its a "better" specced model of a phone I already own.
P.S I know the phone isn't out yet and is only a rumour, but don't you guys sometimes feel the same?

Think of it as the GSM, 3G-only, version of the EVO 4G that everyone has been asking for. The aluminum body addition is nice.

4.3" too big

I like this present device enough... don't need an upgrade until things improve considerably more, which I'm not expecting till March-June 2011. The only currently outstanding issue for me is memory space.
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It's not really too much of an upgrade. Better camera and in built memory. There will be better stuff to come than this for sure.

Looks like HD2 on steroids with Android. I suppose it will have LCD and if they manage to squeeze it in smaller body then HD2, but with bigger battery it would be great.

i think im gonna cry, simply better than the desire

Ah don't worry about it, it's not as if it's life and death is it.

theres always going to be something better coming out.
Get what you need, and not whats new on the streets

I was slightly underwhelmed to be honest...

Specs are great, everything is "desirable" apart from the size of the device as i personally think 4.3" screen is too big - owned the Touch HD2 but sold it for the Desire as it was too big for me, especially with a leather case
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cgrec92 said:
i think im gonna cry, simply better than the desire
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How is it better? Same processor, possibly similar RAM and most likely running Sense 2.1 or getting 2.2 at the same time as the current Desire. An aluminium body doesn't make a phone and more likely than not it will be in some sort if case anyway.
The rest of the specs are a natural evolution of things though that screen is getting close to tablet territory for me. I think the Desire is a great phone the way it is though a Hummingbird processor and PowerVR GPU would be certainly welcome.
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There's not really much in the way of specs increase though, same processor means it won't have increased performance...
More onboard storage is handy, but not as essential as it was thanks to apps2SD. A bigger screen without a resolution change doesn't really interest me, the Desire seems about the right size as it is. No interest in a slightly improved camera.
Pretty underwhelming for a 'Desire HD'.

Coming from a HD2 I am not jealous it has a bigger screen lol.. Only thing that would get me jealous was if it had 4G and a faster CPU, which it doesn't. Until then, it can have a bigger screen, 720p recording and what not, I couldn't really care less lol, we have custom roms with 720p recording anyway so that one is already irrelevant. I love my Desire so much more because it doesn't take my entire hand to use and because it just works like a phone should (Unlike HD2). Anyone who is thinking "oh crap I just got my Desire" you have an awesome phone. Enjoy it and stop worrying about new versions lol (Until a sort of EVO 4G comes out here, then ill join the club haha)

What i find to be so disappointing is that they aren't upgrading the CPU! I mean cmon HTC look at what Samsung and Motorola have coming out. Not to mention the fact that the Snapdragon's GPU is pretty poor compared to samsung/moto. The earlier rumors stated that the Ace would have a dual core @ 1.5Ghz, what happened to that?!?

SupremeBeaver said:
The earlier rumors stated that the Ace would have a dual core @ 1.5Ghz, what happened to that?!?
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I really can't see any benefit whatsoever in having a CPU with those sort of specs in a phone at the moment.
Regards,
Dave

Trading Desire for Galaxy S - good deal?

I already posted in the marketplace, but I wanted to hear your opinions, current Desire owners. I've been really worried with this device lately, mostly because of the hardware limitations it has. It costs almost the same as the SGS but it has a very weak GPU for today's high-end smartphone standards, it doesn't have a real multitouch (and I was shocked and felt scammed by HTC when I found out, I can't even play some modern shooters). The screen on the SGS is way much better (super amoled and bigger screen, my Desire has SLCD, enough said). I also have very limited internal memory and most Sense updates aren't supported because of this, I'm sick of app2sd or data2sd scripts that slow down the phone (don't tell me it doesn't, cause it does, class 6 card and I'm still getting lags when installing or deleting apps).
What I'm worried about on this trade, is the build quality on the samsung (I heard its kinda crappy), the sense UI (I will probably miss it, I tried several non-sense ROMs on and rolled back to Sense after a day or two), the missing camera flash (it's ok tho...) and I heard there are some issues with the GPS (which may be fixed with a custom ROM).
I'm also wondering if samsung will have an official update for gingerbread on their galaxy S, it would be a deal breaker if they wouldn't release it
Overall I feel pretty scammed with this device. Like I said, I payed a lot of money when it came out to find out that it doesn't even have multitouch, wth?
You, as Desire owners, would you trade your phone for a galaxy S?

Love HTC Desire
Nope and what games are you talking about?
I think the most graphic intensive game i have on my Desire is PES 2011?
How many apps do you actually need?
I love the extensive support for HTC Desire here at XDA.
Running MIUI rom on a class 2 sd card and yes I get the occasional lag which probably means some apps didn't close properly.
My Desire has the AMOLED screen.

friedkimchi said:
Nope and what games are you talking about?
I think the most graphic intensive game i have on my Desire is PES 2011?
How many apps do you actually need?
I love the extensive support for HTC Desire here at XDA.
Running MIUI rom on a class 2 sd card and yes I get the occasional lag which probably means some apps didn't close properly.
My Desire has the AMOLED screen.
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Shooters like nova or modern combat don't work properly because Desire doesn't have true multitouch screen. Aside from that, some gpu intensive games don't run smooth.

If you need your phone for games, go for the sgs, I believe user experience is much more than simple specs though and that's why I went for the desire.
I think a whole new desire or other gsm smartphone line will be released soon after the evo 3d

If you still have Desire in your hand, I say, can you wait for some time?
At least until Samsung Galaxy S2 or any other new Android phones from the next generation, those with dual cores proc, are already in the market.
I know Galaxy S or Desire HD is better than Desire but it is not really a major improvement (in my opinion).

Thing is, I don't have much money to spend. If I would be getting a newer phone I would definitely get the Desire HD or something, but SGS is close to price on second-hand and it would be an easy trade. My next phone will be bought next year, I get a new one every 2 years. I was just thinking to this exchange atm. The lack of a true multitouch is really pissing me off.

lvnatic said:
Thing is, I don't have much money to spend. If I would be getting a newer phone I would definitely get the Desire HD or something, but SGS is close to price on second-hand and it would be an easy trade. My next phone will be bought next year, I get a new one every 2 years. I was just thinking to this exchange atm. The lack of a true multitouch is really pissing me off.
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Hmmm...if you aren't really in need of having a new phone, I think Desire can still serve you well until next year..but..if you can get a good price for a second hand Galaxy S or Desire HD and also if you can get a good price for your current Desire..well...it is also not a bad idea...

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What I'm worried about on this trade, is the build quality on the samsung (I heard its kinda crappy), the sense UI (I will probably miss it, I tried several non-sense ROMs on and rolled back to Sense after a day or two), the missing camera flash (it's ok tho...) and I heard there are some issues with the GPS (which may be fixed with a custom ROM)
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My mate's got a Galaxy S and it does feel flimsy when held next to my Desire. It's really light in comparison and although some could argue in it's favour, personally it just doesn't feel like it has the same build quality. I'd worry if it was dropped but then that's nothing a good case wouldn't fix I suppose.
The screen isn't noticeably better in normal use but I've got an AMOLED Desire, I haven't seen an LCD to compare to.
The lack of Sense and Sense widgets is really apparent and if, like you said, you don't like non-sense Roms then it could be an issue. This is still Android though of course so with a little patience you could still customise with apps that give a similar appearance if not quite exactly the same experience.
All being said, it is a nice piece of kit and it is better in graphic intensive games. There's no denying it's value for money. It would take quite a bit more to persuade me to swap my Desire for it though.

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You, as Desire owners, would you trade your phone for a galaxy S?
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No. I've used samsung I5700 recently, a much cheaper phone, but I have enough of samsung for a while I already can tell that I don't really like sense and will switch to CM. I hate glossy plastic . Instead of app2sd I will use link2sd with custom hboot.
I imagine if not samsung someone will port gingerbread to i9000 and if you want good MT you probably need to switch anyway

lvnatic said:
I already posted in the marketplace, but I wanted to hear your opinions, current Desire owners. I've been really worried with this device lately, mostly because of the hardware limitations it has. It costs almost the same as the SGS but it has a very weak GPU for today's high-end smartphone standards, it doesn't have a real multitouch (and I was shocked and felt scammed by HTC when I found out, I can't even play some modern shooters). The screen on the SGS is way much better (super amoled and bigger screen, my Desire has SLCD, enough said). I also have very limited internal memory and most Sense updates aren't supported because of this, I'm sick of app2sd or data2sd scripts that slow down the phone (don't tell me it doesn't, cause it does, class 6 card and I'm still getting lags when installing or deleting apps).
What I'm worried about on this trade, is the build quality on the samsung (I heard its kinda crappy), the sense UI (I will probably miss it, I tried several non-sense ROMs on and rolled back to Sense after a day or two), the missing camera flash (it's ok tho...) and I heard there are some issues with the GPS (which may be fixed with a custom ROM).
I'm also wondering if samsung will have an official update for gingerbread on their galaxy S, it would be a deal breaker if they wouldn't release it
Overall I feel pretty scammed with this device. Like I said, I payed a lot of money when it came out to find out that it doesn't even have multitouch, wth?
You, as Desire owners, would you trade your phone for a galaxy S?
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i had a sgs fascinate and i hated it. yes the gpu is better and its noticable but the touchwiz ui sucks. plus super amoled kills sucks your battery life quickly. with 3 hours screen on, youll b at 20%. plus flashing custom roms and stuff can b a chore. odin is alot more tricky to play with then your providers ruu. id suggest the desire hd or wait 4 the desire s. there r things i miss about my sgs. but im happy with my desire. sense ui cannot b beat. 10minutes with touch wiz and youll understand what i mean

The GPS chip on the SGS is utterly ****. No two ways about it and no fix for it as it's a hardware design fault. Can't be used for driving navigation as it's only accurate to about 50-100m when moving.
If nav is important to you then don't do it.

I don't know why you're having trouble with the Desire, just flash a new ROM and be done with it. If you can't be bothered, get the crappy DHD or the SGS.

Good deal? No period...
But then again I'm sure if you ask on SGS forum they'll tell you otherwise... I wouldn't change my desire for anything on the market right now...
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If the performanc eof the desire is not enough just buy a class 10 microsd card of over 8gb and you will see a big difference in operating speed with any custom roms.

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can i trade my galaxy s i9000 w/ miui 2.3.3. rc3 for your desire

debateable?
Ihave the desire and my wife has the galaxy s,i do actually like the s,but more for its screen size not hardware or os. sense is a bonus for a phone i find,but its your preference,im running insertcoin 2.0.0 a2sd at the moment,roms,really do extend your love of a phone. Though roms are out for the galaxy...
but end of the day..................MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND?

Afaik the sgs is basically a desire with a better gpu and a bit newer cpu. If you don't care too much about games you should go for the desire since it has better software, better build quality, better support and last but not least better devs here on xda

[Q]Desire Z or Desire HD/Inspire

The Desire Z was my first ever android phone after coming from iPhones (2G>3G>3GS>DZ) and it's definitely won me over iOS (aside from the appstore, but the android market is exploding). After switching around phones, I want to find one that will satisfy me for a long period of time, and right now it's between the Desire Z or Desire HD.
To the people who have both a Desire Z and a Desire HD/Inspire, which do you prefer/which do you think is the better phone in general? Disregard anything stock, and assume the most you could do with both of them rooted. (Define them on terms of everything: Dev support, development, screen size, screen display, battery, performance, general feel/use, etc).
Off-topic question, but if anyone knows, is it possible to use THD apps on the Desire Z? (ie. Fruit Ninja THD)

If it ain't got a kb it ain't better than the dz! Ill never own another "bar" style device, depends on personal preference but I looooove having a full kb. (Fat fingers)
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To the people who have both a Desire Z and a Desire HD/Inspire, which do you prefer/which do you think is the better phone in general? Disregard anything stock, and assume the most you could do with both of them rooted. (Define them on terms of everything: Dev support, development, screen size, screen display, battery, performance, general feel/use, etc).
Off-topic question, but if anyone knows, is it possible to use THD apps on the Desire Z? (ie. Fruit Ninja THD)
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I have the DZ, brother has the DHD.
Personally, they're both the same phone. Only differences:
DHD: 4.3" screen, last-gen 1GHz Snapdragon CPU, Al unibody chassis, dual LED flash, 8MP camera
DZ: 3.7" screen, current-gen 800MHz Snapdragon CPU, physical keyboard, single LED flash, 5MP camera, dedicated camera button
Of the two, I would get the DZ. The CPU is more efficient, the 3.7" screen isn't too big but isn't too small. Physical keyboard ensures that you have 100% screenspace for whatever you are looking at rather than having the Onscreen keyboard take up 50%+ screen space when typing. Despite having a single LED flash and a 5MP camera, it easily compares with the DHD's dual flash and 8MP stills.
If you have the older firmware, both are very easy to root. Once you have root and custom rom's on them, they're essentially the same phone save for the physical keyboard. That would be the deciding factor in choosing IMO.
Have fun!

Oh the DHD uses last gen snapdragon? Was under the impression that they were both 2nd gen. That pretty much decides it then LOL, thanks. Hows the dev on the DHD compared to DZ?

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Oh the DHD uses last gen snapdragon? Was under the impression that they were both 2nd gen. That pretty much decides it then LOL, thanks. Hows the dev on the DHD compared to DZ?
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yep, the DHD uses the last-gen Snapdragon CPU. That's why it's stock clocked at 1GHz while the DZ is clocked at 800MHz and it still keeps up while being power efficient.
I don't hang around the DHD section too much, but my brother seems to be happy with them. But then again, what kind of Dev is not helpful or nice on XDA? haha

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yep, the DHD uses the last-gen Snapdragon CPU. That's why it's stock clocked at 1GHz while the DZ is clocked at 800MHz and it still keeps up while being power efficient.
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Wrong. The CPU on the Desire HD is the same generation CPU as the Vision, using the same 45 nm process (the "older" Snapdragons use 65 nm). And both use the same Adreno 205 GPU. I can't find any benchmarks comparing the 2, but my money would (obviously) be on the DHD being faster. Not sure if its as overclockable as the Vision, though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)
Since the OP is an iPhone user for a few generations, I'd say he probably won't care about the hardware keyboard. And personally, with Swype, I've found myself using the hardware kb less and less. For my next phone I will very possibly go without the hardware kb. And that's coming from a formerly stubborn hardware kb proponent, this being my 3rd smartphone with one. Personally, I find myself typing just as fast (maybe even faster) using Swype, without the hassle of having to open the keyboard and turn the phone sideways. Not to mention the weight and thickness savings you get by ditching the keyboard.
Add in the faster CPU, and larger screen, and I would tend to lean toward the Desire HD, myself. There are a couple other minor considerations, like I read some reviews mentioning the volume rocker on the DHD felt cheaper, and the speaker is supposedly a bit better on the Vision. But these seem like minor quibbles, overall.
It all comes down to personal preference in the end, of course. Try to play around with both, if you can. Its mostly about the form factor. Whichever one feels better, is the one for you.

I can't get my hands on a DHD to play around with, which is why I'm asking fellow XDA members for their opinions. Having a keyboard doesnt bother me, it's nice to have one, but I wouldn't be hindered if I didn't have one. The deciding factors are pretty much which phone will last me longer in the long run. Which would hypothetically be supported longer by devs, which would be better for general use (call quality, performance, etc), and which would physically last longer (I would assume the DHD would last longer, though, since it doesn't have a hinge). I've also read that the battery life on the DHD is horrible, is this true?

Can't speak personally on the DHD. But comments I've read say you can typically get a full day using the "usual" Android battery saving tips (turn down screen brightness, turn off WiFi when not in area of a WiFi network, turn off GPS when not in use, etc.). Charging overnight is pretty much par for the course with any smartphone nowadays, with any moderate use. Of course, it all depends on how you use your phone. A larger screen will mean shorter battery life. But with the right amount of tweaking of the settings, you should be fine.
In theory, a phone with a slide/hinged keyboard would be easier to break. More moving parts means more things that can possibly fail, with failure of the ribbon cable between the screen and keyboard being a somewhat occasional point of failure for slider/hinge type phones. But this is my 3rd HTC phone with a hinge/slider. My Tilt2/Rhodium is 1.5 years old, and my Tilt/Kaiser is 3.5 years old, and they are both in good shape. HTC builds these phones pretty well. Take decent care of it, and it should last a while.

[Q] What is your next phone?

All of us bound to leave Defy one day to get something even better and this is something some of us might need to do sooner than later. I have to say Defy did serve me well as my first venture into smartphones. The very late buggy Android 2.2.2 release kind of dampened my appetite to keep using it for another six months.
The much talk about SGII and HTC Sensation some how don't appeal to me even though both are 10x better than Defy. Durability is not everything but it is a welcome addition design feature for a portable device such as handsets. After going through countless of phone reviews, comments, and opinions I decided not to go for a dual core CPU handset. Android is not going to be truly optimised to take advantage of both cores for sometime to come and also the lower battery usage of dual core CPUs are totally unfounded.
For my needs 1.2GHz or 1.4GHz single core CPU is more than adequate and perhaps a good investment as long as is ARM8 or ARM9 based chip. Also next phone must have 1GB of RAM and with at least a 4" (qHD) screen size. In fairness Motorola's qHD quality is far better than of HTC offerings. My priority needs for a portable device is reading (i.e., books, pdf files, and internet), writing (i.e., Text Messaging, Email, and short posts to internet), and occasional videos. I've been enjoying youtube over wifi with Defy 2.2.2 that never bothered to try on 2.1.
The only handset available in the UK that comes close to my ideal specs for next phone is SE Arc. When I hold Defy in my hand and then the ARC it just doesn't cut it for me. The cheap plastic feeling is really off putting. Looking at the upcoming handset list there is nothing appealing either.
What is your next phone after Defy? Have you recently bought a new phone after owning Defy? Should we wait for Defy II after the experience with Motorola? After all Motorola did conduct a survey about durability with Defy users in the UK so they must have a plan for the next Defy version.

My next phone will be DEFY2 or DEFY+......Or Nexus 3
Sent from my toilet using my Motorola DEFY

Although I'm kinda frustrated because the phones with physical keyboard are never top notch (I would love one but...), I would either go for one or a Nexus 3.
PS: I would only consider an open phone (no locked bootloders and stuff)

Defy 2 or Atrix ...
Atrix should be so fine, but seems to be reallu overpriced ...
Next generation of Defy will be fine ...
I wonbder to have a little more CPU, a better camera and a fullHD hdmi output video signal ...

Thank you for the responses so far.
@SeaFargo
I consider Atrix as a good phone but two things about it put me off, other than being Motorola's. 1. NVidia Tegra chip: NVidia trying so hard to increase market share for gaming platform. I'm not into games so I feel paying too much for my need. 2. WebTop on Atrix not only makes this phone expensive but also harder for Motorola to update it with every major version of Android. Another feature that I don't need.
@ifu & daniel_loft
I think Nexus 3 is going to be a mind blowing phone and indeed I will be keeping my eyes on it. If it was at the right price and solid built quality then I don't mind waiting for another six months for my next phone.

After trashing my previous phone, the ruggedness of the defy is really important to me. The defy is actually a brilliant phone, once you take off the motorola software. The motorola froyo is just filled with bugs. Also for what ever reason the phone is really slow. Put cyanogenmod on however and you have a brill phone.
Whatever my next phone is, I wont be getting one that has a locked down bootloader and motorola software. For now I'm happy with my CM Defy
Olly

I will go for a waterproof device for sure.
As i am still pretty happy with my defy, i will have a good time waiting for the next generation Defy or a similar high-end waterproof smartphone.
I have no need for a bigger display. I would rather like to have an even smaller device with the same screen size.

a water resistant lg optimus 3d would be nice, replace the dual core with a powerful single core and its perfect for me

nonsense91 said:
a water resistant lg optimus 3d would be nice, replace the dual core with a powerful single core and its perfect for me
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For what I hear most 3D feature of the phones are just gimmick. Your money, your choice.

Defy 2 with unlocked bootloader of course!

Next generation of Defy or maybe some other waterproof smartphone
These specs are welcome :
-1Ghz dual-core
-min.1900 mAh battery
-4.0" screen
-1GB RAM
-720p recording
-USB On the go
-HDMI out
-unlocked bootloder ..

Id really hate to turn this into a "defy 2 wishlist" thread. but here it goes
unlike most other people, id like to see LESS ports.
Delete the headphone jack. Bluetooth audio works fine
Delete the Micro-USB port. Induction charging works.
Make the battery door screwed/bolted on.
the only real wholes should be speakers and mics, which can be made very waterproof. I hate this vaugeness and caution when testing our phones waterproofness. The phone should be really rugged.

I think I'll ver the next defy version, whatever it will be. If there is none, then I'll yo for the Milestone 3
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I just got a Defy, used, to fill in the time until my HD7 becomes useful ... as of now it can hardly do anything very well and I need a real smartphone.
Let me say that coming from a G2, then to the HD7, and now the Defy, this is the little phone that could! It feels tiny but there's something to be said for a small phone.
And Android is really shaping up to be a highly-functional OS!
This is a great little phone. Can't wait to get rid of MotoBlarghhhh.
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i am not going to leave my defy...but if i had a choice to buy a new one then it would be
MOTOROLA PHOTON 4G

CSharpHeaven said:
For what I hear most 3D feature of the phones are just gimmick. Your money, your choice.
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I don't care about other 3d features, playing 3d movies and shooting 3d pictures and movies would be great for me

Lg 2x will b my next destiny.
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My number one priority for a phone is wifi calling. Blackberry (currently) with uma handles this better than Android.

I like 3D too. It looks like fun and theres nothing wrong with a little fun.

I think that my next phone will be something with Tegra, but i like Defy and i don't change phone soon
Sorry for my English