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I think this better to be posted to Galaxy S I9000 Android Development.
So I posted it once more at here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7694817#post7694817
Board Admin, please feel free to delete this.
Hi all,
I took so many from here. It's time for me to contribute little to the community.
The lag issue of Galaxy S bother many ppl.
I tried many different method.
Yes the lag issue was improved and Quadrant score is higher.
But there are always some weird things happen... like sudden lag/black screen.
After I upgraded to firmwre I9000ZSJH1, the lag issue is improved a lot!
But still, there are rooms for improvement.
So I wrote a cmd which will help to generate a .sh file, which will move apps data stored under /data/data/ to the internal NAND memory (/dbdata/data) for faster access.
The Galaxy S built in 1xxMB of fast access NAND memory. It is a waste if we don't utilize them.
However, it is impossible to move all apps' data to the tiny NAND memory.
So here is a tool for you to customize what app's data you want to move.
Recommand to move the core Android apps and the apps that you use frequently.
Like Dialer, Contacts, Dolphin Browser, Facebook, Astro File Explorer......
Steps :
1. open [1.app.list.xls] and edit colume A and B.
colume A should be the data folder name of the apps you want to move.
colume B is the name of the apps (optional)
2. after you've done, simply "copy & paste" everything onto a notepad and save it as [2.apps.list.txt]
3. fireup the [3.Apps2NAND.cmd]
4. within few sec, a file [App2NAND.sh] will be created.
5. use Gscript to load and run the App2NAND.sh file. (the script requires root access. so make sure you have it!)
For experienced user :
Step 1 actually is just for user to manage the apps more clearly.
A user with little cmd knowledge may know the script only requires [2.app.list.txt] to work with.
You can skip Step 1 and directly go to Step 2 to edit the file.
The format should be { app data folder name + <tab> + app name }
Remarks :
Apps that moved to NAND may not be restore with Titanium Backup.
App link will be broken by doing so.
(I also include Linpack and Quadrant to the app list to cheat higher benchmark scores . You may remove it if you don't want to.)
Apps2NAND - fast data access - choose what to move! [added support for Froyo]
update 18 Nov 10:
Found some friends here still want to use this "old school" lagfix
1st of all, thanks to your support.
When I wrote this script, it was still the golden age of Eclair (2.1). So the script is definitely not prepared for Froyo (2.2).
However, just by changing few lines can make this script survives on Froyo. So here I updated a script for Froyo (apps2nand.Froyo.zip).
I haven't tested it since I am very satisfied with the [Spike Speedy Edition v3.0 OC], which comes with more advanced lagfix options (sztupy).
(I wrote something that even myself don't use now.... So it's really suprised and appreciated~)
But this script still has it merit ~~~~~~~~~ simple!
(and battery friendly, just a feeling~ no actually statistic~)
If you are interested in antique and brave enough, try it on Froyo. And let me know if any issues. I will try my best to fix.
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update 18 Aug 10:
Now included Installation and Uninstallation for this script.
Tried several times on my i9000 and it works.
Please read and follow the readme.txt inside the zip.
One tricky part for this script : it will failed when SU permission is not allowed in time during the script is running.
I have pause the script with 10 secs for you to allow the SU on i9000.
Make sure you allowed it.
If you failed to do so, no worry. it won't change anything.
Just simply re-run the script again.
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Hi all,
I took so many from here. It's time for me to contribute little to the community.
The lag issue of Galaxy S bother many ppl.
I tried many different method.
Yes the lag issue was improved and Quadrant score is higher.
But there are always some weird things happen... like sudden lag/black screen.
After I upgraded to firmwre I9000ZSJH1, the lag issue is improved a lot!
But still, there are rooms for improvement.
So I wrote a cmd which will help to generate a .sh file, which will move apps data stored under /data/data/ to the internal NAND memory (/dbdata/data) for faster access.
The Galaxy S built in 1xxMB of fast access NAND memory. It is a waste if we don't utilize them.
However, it is impossible to move all apps' data to the tiny NAND memory.
So here is a tool for you to customize what app's data you want to move.
Recommand to move the core Android apps and the apps that you use frequently.
Like Dialer, Contacts, Dolphin Browser, Facebook, Astro File Explorer......
For experienced user :
Step 1 actually is just for user to manage the apps more clearly.
A user with little cmd knowledge may know the script only requires [2.app.list.txt] to work with.
You can skip Step 1 and directly go to Step 2 to edit the file.
The format should be { app data folder name + <tab> + app name }
Remarks :
*** Apps that moved to NAND may not be restore with Titanium Backup. App link will be broken by doing so.
*** Please make a nandroid backup before apply this!
*** I am not responsible for any damage caused by this script.
(I also include Linpack and Quadrant to the app list to cheat higher benchmark scores . You may remove it if you don't want to.)
Is NAND where devices like HTC Desire and Nexus One store their Apps?
well this is almost what paul did some days after the phone got released...
lyno said:
Is NAND where devices like HTC Desire and Nexus One store their Apps?
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Yes, which is why they needed APPS2SD in Froyo.
So....when are you posting the script?
If you want I'll create a program that spits out the .txt file rather than do it in excel, copy paste etc.
Jonas.M said:
well this is almost what paul did some days after the phone got released...
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yes. that's what Paul did as I mentioned in my script.
But he simply push everything to NAND which oneday, you will find out of space.
Using my script, you can decide what to move, depending on the frequency of the apps usage.
lyno said:
So....when are you posting the script?
If you want I'll create a program that spits out the .txt file rather than do it in excel, copy paste etc.
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the script is updated and posted.
the excel is just for user to maintain their app list easily.
my script only works with the txt file.
you may skip the excel part if you like.
and thanks for your offer, lyno.
Is it possible to make a script that automatically moves smaller apps to the nand?
I mean it's not worth moving large games, but anything under 2MB should be considered.
Maybe use some intellegent calculation, if all the apps under XMB use less than 50% of free space on nand, increase X until it is efficiently used up.
Also there is HEAPS of space to be freed in NAND, delete stock ringtones, and other.
seems great
hmm, would moving to nand make those specific apps run faster than they would be if they were previously running under ext2/3/4 partitions provided for by the various lagfixes out there?
What happens if an app in the list is not on the phone, does it just skip it?
sturmeh said:
Is it possible to make a script that automatically moves smaller apps to the nand?
I mean it's not worth moving large games, but anything under 2MB should be considered.
Maybe use some intellegent calculation, if all the apps under XMB use less than 50% of free space on nand, increase X until it is efficiently used up.
Also there is HEAPS of space to be freed in NAND, delete stock ringtones, and other.
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MiG123 said:
hmm, would moving to nand make those specific apps run faster than they would be if they were previously running under ext2/3/4 partitions provided for by the various lagfixes out there?
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sturmeh, that requires more complex scripting skills, which is out of my knowledge...
and I think instead of choosing the apps2NAND depending on size, I think the "Frequency" of using the apps may be more appropriate.
e.g. I use TouchPal IME a lot. So I move it to the NAND.
Now when I type, TouchPal act lightening!!!
MiG123, I haven't done a serious comparison. But as I remembered, Apps2NAND gives me more "smooth" feeling.
Actually, you shouldn't compare Apps2NAND to other Apps2SD or EXT.
Since Apps2NAND only offers you around 1xxMB of app storage space. Way too far from the others experts' methods.
I suggest using this is because I am using the latest 2.1 ROM, I9000TGYJH1 (http://www.multiupload.com/UTKSZPTKCG), which the lag problem seems improved a lot. But on top of it, I don't want to waste that 1xxMB of internal RAM, so I introduce this method.
To let user choose what core apps that should be put into NAND so
- space is not wasted.
- certain apps enjoy even faster response time.
lyno said:
What happens if an app in the list is not on the phone, does it just skip it?
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yes.
the script will skip the apps that is not in the list.
MiG123 said:
hmm, would moving to nand make those specific apps run faster than they would be if they were previously running under ext2/3/4 partitions provided for by the various lagfixes out there?
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Definitely, the hardware is multitudes faster.
Where's the file? Can't seem to find it on the first page
Anyhow. Do you symlink the old location to the new location, thus being able to keep the link intact? That should sort out any problems with backup solutions such as Titanium Backup.
How do you find the app's data folder name?
mekwall said:
Where's the file? Can't seem to find it on the first page
Anyhow. Do you symlink the old location to the new location, thus being able to keep the link intact? That should sort out any problems with backup solutions such as Titanium Backup.
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lyno said:
How do you find the app's data folder name?
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mekwall, sorry. removed by mistake.
have uploaded back again now.
yes. it uses symlink method (from Paul's concept) :
ln -s /dbdata/data/appsname /data/data/appsname
i dunno how's Titanium Backup works but it just failed to restore any apps that has used Apps2NAND...
that's why i provide the Uninstallation method to restore it back and then run Titanium Backup to backup all apps and data.
lyno, you may try the Astro File Explorer (market).
It has a function to backup the installed apps out to /sdcard.
The name of the backuped apps will be named exactly the same as it's data folder name.
e.g. Brut's Google Map -> brut.googlemaps.apk
this whoe procedure demands root-access, right?
yes. since it involves moving folders between /dbdata and /data.
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App
Is it possible to delete the stock browser with a custom ROM? At the moment if I try and do it from the Manage applications view it doesn't give me the option. But I was wondering if I could manually locate it and delete it without causing any stability issues?
Thanks
You can. ADB from recovery (S-ON), Root explorer (S-OFF).
But I don't know if it causes stability issues - never tried it.
It can be done and has no bearing on anything - just means you can't browse until you get one from the Market
Yes, can confirm that! I'm using Dolphin HD - so removed the stock about an hour ago. No problems.
I can add stock email, news/weather & chat apps to this list - no effect on other apps performing these functions, at least on Oxygen 2.0.1 anyway...
Brilliant, next question. Where is the stock app stored, as I will manually have to remove it.
Zammo76 said:
Brilliant, next question. Where is the stock app stored, as I will manually have to remove it.
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For me it was system/app/Browser.apk
Removed with Root Explorer.
Sent from my customized HTC Desire using TTP
Ah yeah got to that file using Astro but it's only 684KB, yet when I look in Manage Applications it says that the Internet is 13.76MB.
Unless this includes other data rather than just the Browser, but I'm not so sure?
It surely includes other data (like history, cache etc.)
Probably cache and some settings. In manage applications, clear the data (if that's possible), then remove the .apk
in my opinion the best way to remove system apps is to install Titanium Backup (have the phone rooted), then go to apps in titanium backup then hold your finger on it , the menu appears, slide down and click on remove(using recovery bug)...
I have Titanium Backup but I can't seem to find the stock Browser under the Backup/ Restore tab the only thing I have which is remotely like that is:
[BOOKMARKS] Internet 2.2
Am I looking in the correct place?
Only you can remove it, if you have S-OFFed your phone. And I cant help you with that,I have it deleted already. But should be over there somewhere.
I've rooted my phone using the Unrevoked method and have CWM. But when I've checked the H-Boot screen it says I have S-ON, how do I get it Off?
S-OFF tutorial
Also, I forgot to mention, you can remove files via ADB from CWM/AmonRA. Guide here.
Thanks for this I think I'm going to try the ADB method as it looks a little easier. Plus I did read someone if you remove S-Off it can be permanent and effect warranty.
Zammo76 said:
Brilliant, next question. Where is the stock app stored, as I will manually have to remove it.
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Apps are stored in /system/apps (may vary with rom?). There are a couple of options:
Titanium backup is free from market and will permanently remove any apps - you need root and s-off for this. Root explorer can be used for the same - just delete the .apk file.
You can also do it via cmd prompt and adb, look for detailed threads about this in these forums!
OK I now have S-Off on my phone and its also now obviously rooted but I still cannot delete my stock browser. I've tried using Titanium Backup but I can't locate it to delete it, I've also tried Root Explorer but when I try to delete the Browser.apk it comes up with the following message:
Browser.apk cannot be deleted because the file system is read only.
Also I've wiped data and deleted many of the stock HTC apps & widgets but I don't seem to be freeing up much if any space. My Low on Space indicator has been on throughout even though I have got rid of the following:
Footprints,
Footprints Widget,
Friend Stream,
Friend Stream Widget,
Music,
Music Widget,
News and Weather,
Peep,
Photo Widget,
Stocks,
Stocks Widget,
Teeter,
Twitter Widget,
Weather Widget.
Does it actually free up much space un-installing these?
Can anyone please help with these issues?
Root explorer fix
Hi
The reason Root Explorer comes with that error is because the system folder is mounted ass read only (you can't edit anything on it)
Fix:
1. Browse to system/app
2. In the upper right corner there is a mount R/W button, press it
3. Now you can read and write and therefore also delete the browser.apk
4. Remember to mount as R/O when done
It doesn't free up space as they are located in /system and regular apps are installed in /data.
Hi,
I just got my new SE Xperia Play phone and got it with android Gingerbread on it, I'm not completely familiar with this OS but following information that I've read I rooted my phone and it is working fine, I did this cause I read that by doing this I would be able to remove and add apps to my phone as I became a Super User on the Linux side of it. Now my questions is, How can I do this? I've tried to find like an step by step add and remove apps on my phone with no luck. Also I'd like to get some information on what can I do and what I can't (or shouldn't do) with my super user rights ( i found this but not sure how to add this titanium backup on my phone http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1046699).
All help will be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Btts.
you can delete any apps including system apps by using TITANIUM BACKUP.
once you've installed it and run it click on the backup/restore tab at the top then select whatever app you want to remove (system apps inluded) click that app and there will be an uninstall option.
BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU DELETE!
Hope this helps
You have to download Titanium Backup from the market
oh ok I get it, so it is available through the android market.. now that is for the Uninstall stuff part (thanks to both) now in order to get stuff installed into the phone is it there an option for that or can I do it using the linux terminal that is installed on the phone?
Thanks for all the help
OK, I have been where you are, and maybe this VERY brief summary will get you started.
1. Root - you did that.
2. Download and install the CWM for locked bootloaders from this link here.
3. Follow the instructions to power off, then power on and press down on the Volume Down key to enter the recovery mode. Then go to the Backup/Restore menu and backup the phone. This creates a Nandroid, or image of the phone so you can put it back to rooted stock if you mess something up.
4. Download and install Titanium Backup from the App Market. You can use this to uninstall any bloatware, including System files, but use with caution so you won't need to use your Nandroid! There is a safe list thread here that will give you some help in what you can remove.
5. Apps for Android usually come from the Android Market, or another market that hosts Android apps like Amazon AppMarket, etc. So any program you want to install will generally need to come from there. (Yes, I know there are some apps around that some Joe Ubertech wrote, but in general, you will want to get apps from the Market or a Vendor site, like Gameloft or EA.)
6. Use an App2SD program to move as many apps to your SD Card as are able to go. This frees up internal storage so you can run smoothly and have a lot of apps too. I like Droidsail Super App2SD (ROOT) because it lets you select a group of apps at one time to move. Do NOT move to SD any app that is accessed through a widget, or any replacement launcher program.
7. Be aware that Programs marked as System files cannot be moved to SD. However, some of them, like the preinstalled games, GMail, Youtube, etc, are also found in the Market. You can either delete them and reinstall them from the Market, or use a program like Root Explorer to manually move these to a folder on the SD card. Then reboot your phone, and you can reinstall them as user apps and be able to move them to SD as well.
8. Read. Read, read, read, READ everything you can get your hands on here in xda. It has been the best source of info for the Xperia Play.
I hope this helps you get going. Have fun, and if you run into trouble, someone here will usually be able to help you get going again.
Cheers!
netizenmt said:
OK, I have been where you are, and maybe this VERY brief summary will get you started.
1. Root - you did that.
2. Download and install the CWM for locked bootloaders from this link here.
3. Follow the instructions to power off, then power on and press down on the Volume Down key to enter the recovery mode. Then go to the Backup/Restore menu and backup the phone. This creates a Nandroid, or image of the phone so you can put it back to rooted stock if you mess something up.
4. Download and install Titanium Backup from the App Market. You can use this to uninstall any bloatware, including System files, but use with caution so you won't need to use your Nandroid! There is a safe list thread here that will give you some help in what you can remove.
5. Apps for Android usually come from the Android Market, or another market that hosts Android apps like Amazon AppMarket, etc. So any program you want to install will generally need to come from there. (Yes, I know there are some apps around that some Joe Ubertech wrote, but in general, you will want to get apps from the Market or a Vendor site, like Gameloft or EA.)
6. Use an App2SD program to move as many apps to your SD Card as are able to go. This frees up internal storage so you can run smoothly and have a lot of apps too. I like Droidsail Super App2SD (ROOT) because it lets you select a group of apps at one time to move. Do NOT move to SD any app that is accessed through a widget, or any replacement launcher program.
7. Be aware that Programs marked as System files cannot be moved to SD. However, some of them, like the preinstalled games, GMail, Youtube, etc, are also found in the Market. You can either delete them and reinstall them from the Market, or use a program like Root Explorer to manually move these to a folder on the SD card. Then reboot your phone, and you can reinstall them as user apps and be able to move them to SD as well.
8. Read. Read, read, read, READ everything you can get your hands on here in xda. It has been the best source of info for the Xperia Play.
I hope this helps you get going. Have fun, and if you run into trouble, someone here will usually be able to help you get going again.
Cheers!
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awesome thanks for the information
Also, grab KeiranFTW's tweak package in the dev forum. Best thing you could do to your phone.
Sent from my R800x using xda premium
Trygon said:
Also, grab KeiranFTW's tweak package in the dev forum. Best thing you could do to your phone.
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here's the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1385236
University of Pi said:
here's the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1385236
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thanks for the info guys, now I'm working on my other phone the Xperia Arc ^^, if a moderator wants to close this thread is alright
thanks to all
ok let me introduce my self, i am a android enthusiast
i made this thread so that others who root their phone wont have to go through with the hardship to find the apps that make ROOTING WORTHWHILE
there are tons which i may miss, but here are the ones which is must install! some of them are paid but its worth the price believe me
!!ATTENTION!!
ALL THE APPS HAVE BEEN PERSONALLY TESTED IN HTC ONE V STOCK ROM AND CM9 RC3,AOKP JB, PA, PACman ROM, NO PHONES SHOULD HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THESE APPS
IF U LIKE THIS THREAD A THANKS WILL BE APPRECIATED !!
ALTHOUGH IF ANY THING HAPPENS I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE
1.SUPER USER(FREE)
SUPER USER
Superuser is the first app a user should install after rooting, if the rooting method didn't do it already. "Rooting" a phone allows a user to establish total control over the device, but Superuser is the app that provides the button for that control
2.ROM MANAGER(FREE/PAID)
ROM MANAGER
ROM MANAGER is a app that is used to flash CVM, browse ROMS and more
3.TITANIUM BACKUP(FREE/PAID0[I RECOMMEND PAID]
TITANIUM BACKUP
Titanium Backup is an enormously useful app. Not only can it backup apps, but it can backup apps and all their data, and it can delete apps—even system apps or bloatware.
4.SETCPU FOR ROOT[PAID WORTH EVERY PENNY]
SET CPU
SetCPU allows the user to exert total control over how fast, or slow, the processor runs at any given point in time
5.ADFREE[FREE]
ADFREE
Adfree may actually be the greatest root-essential app available on Android, and it's one that you never see unless it needs updating. All Adfree does is block ads, but it does it for everything on the phone
6.TASKER[AMAZING PAID APP]
TASKER
what it does best is definitely a good thing, since it can practically automate your entire phone given the right amount of power.
7.METAMORPH[FREE/PAID]
METAMORPH
Metamorph is a small app that allows you to theme any part of Android by applying simple patch files
8.BUSYBOX[FREE/PAID]
BUSY BOX
It's not an actual app that you run, but instead provides all the Linux/UNIX commands that we know and love.
9.SSH TUNNEL[FREE]
SSH TUNNEL
Recently mentioned SSH Tunnel is an app that allows an Android phone to connect to the internet using an ssh tunnel for a completely secure connection
10.AUTORUN MANAGER[FREE/PAID]
AUTORUN MANAGER
Change the APPS that start when the phone boots and more
11.ROOT EXPLORER [PAID]
ROOT EXPLORER
explores till the root of your phone
12.ES EXPLORER[FOR THOSE WHO CANT AFFORD THE ABV^]
ES (I USE THIS)
explores till the root of your phone
13.JUICE DEFENDER ULTIMATE[ALTHOUGH FREE IS ALSO THERE]
JD ULTIMATE
HELPS you in saving battery
14.ROM TOOLBOX [pro/free]
ROM TOOLBOX
a toolbox containing all the essential tools
15.TERMINAL[A TERMINAL EMULATOR FOR YOUR PHONE][FREE]
TERMINAL EMULATOR
16. SD MAID[FREE/PRO][PLEASE GO FOR PRO]
SD MAID
a complete set of tools to clean and boost ur SD card
17.INCREDI CONTROL[TO OC/UC/UV](OVER CLOCK)
INCREDI CONTROL
18.DaemonController[ADVANCED CPU MANAGER]
DAEMON CONTROLLER
19.FONT CHANGER[CHANGE FONTS IN YOUR ANDROID]
FONT CHANGER
20.BETTER BATTERY STATS[BRING UR BATTERY HISTORY BACK]
BETTERBS
PM ME IF ANY QUESTIONS PLEASE SUGGEST IF YOU KNOW ! AND CLICK THANKS IF I HELPED
ok time to rip the list apart....
1.SUPER USER(FREE)
this comes pre-installed and is not needed to be replaced
5.ADFREE[FREE]
if you use this, you might aswell just steal the apps, as using this takes money away from devs!
8.BUSYBOX[FREE/PAID]
Already comes pre-installed and messing about with this can make the rom unbootable OR you can mess up your root based apps
9.SSH TUNNEL[FREE]
well most users will never need this....
Come on sometimes those ads are so annoying.....and not everyone is rich to buy all the apps that want, and tunneling is one thing i quite often use, well i was just trying to help
And i just showed them the best apps it's their choice now
Sent from my One V using xda app-developers app
xplore also.. for those u can't buy root explorer.. its an all in one file manager.. which includes root also
Sent from my One V
yea but i prefer es explorer, i have been using it from the tiime i used myfirst android
all posts updated!
Posts reupdated 2 mores apps added!,links fixed
I was just curious for the reason for that.
I am just trying to find the root apps that ( all the smart people agree ) are the best.
I had a big problem with trying to stop background apps from stealing cycles / battery.
Shame about Greenify. Shame about TiB. I am only using Titanium Backup Pro for its freeze and unfreeze.
SD Maid Pro is a 'big' winner ! Nice cleaner but then also a ( system ) app freezer and app remover. So I can say bye, bye to an old friend . . . TiB.
Wow. Help ! Anyone have a safe and sane list of 'system apps' that can be frozen / removed ? Looks like 50+ system apps and a lot have cryptic names.
The easiest way to "freeze" a lot of "system apps" is to install an alternative and more minimalistic system. I recommend the security minded "GrapheneOS".
Generally speaking, and as an expert, I will tell you very simply that you DO NOT WANT ANY "root apps" unless there is absolutely no way to avoid them, and in this case, they absolutely MUST NOT be closed source programs installed from play store. EVERY ONE of those programs you have listed is a non-starter. Throw them all out.
Now of course, BACKUPS are a highly useful and reasonable use for root. You have your mind stuck on the untrustworthy closed source dinosaur "titanium backup". Delete that and install in its place "oandbackupX", which is open source, well maintained, and available from F-Droid: https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.machiav3lli.backup/ -- and yes, it has the ability to disable packages as well. When you select a package, there is a button with a crossed-circle icon. That does the job you're looking for.
Some custom system images, grapheneos included, incorporate "seedvault" for making backups. Its not as powerful as oandbackupX, since it is forced to respect application manifest flags that indicate if an application is allowed to be backed up or not. It does, however, allow you to make your backup to a custom location (i.e., a Nextcloud server), but it doesn't give you the option to create a NON-encrypted backup (even if you back it up to a fully trusted location), which makes it more challenging to manipulate the backup if needed.
Personally, I use a combination of seedvault and oandbackupX. Seedvault for the regular automated backups, and oandbackupX for a few other packages that seedvault won't. Note that Seedvault does at least tell you the list of packages that it refuses to touch, so you know what to hit with oandbackupX.