The Marketplace section of XDA has been only open for a short time. There are currently 8 potential users in our community who have been ripped off and may not be capable of receiving their payments back and/or punishing the people that scammed them. There also exist a number of buyers that await their devices to be received but the sellers have not contacted them.
There are several benefits of selling on XDA and there are many drawbacks. Please let me remind you that this is a developers (or those interested in the processes, aka users like me) forum. Please take the time to reflect the benefits and the drawbacks and vote.
I know the poll results will lean towards keeping the Marketplace open because those who visit this section on a regular would want to keep using it as a resource. Yet there are many on this site that still do not have any idea that this marketplace exist, simply because they bookmark their device's section.
Please vote after reading the Fraud Thread,Thank You.
If you have new guidelines that will help deter criminals from scamming our members please post. Please note, your suggestions may be criticized.
My vote to third option. I dont believe in throwing the baby with the bath water. Everything faces problem in the beginning, so is this marketplace. Let's make it a better place.
Just because the Marketplace isn't open doesn't mean XDA won't be used for transactions between users. With the Marketplace, the transactions are more public and I bet that being open and public actually cuts down on scams.
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Just because the Marketplace isn't open doesn't mean XDA won't be used for transactions between users. With the Marketplace, the transactions are more public and I bet that being open and public actually cuts down on scams.
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I completely agree with your opinion. What do you think about banning device sale transactions altogether?
Just like XDA bans warez but obviously users can PM each other regarding warez.
I would think that there is a way to keep the market section open, yet make it safer. I don't think it is XDA's responsibility to make sure every transaction is 100% safe, not even eBay can do that. I don't even think it is responsible to go above and beyond "buyer/seller beware". But I know this communitty and to simply leave it at "stock" isn't an option.
It has proven true that it is hard to identify a good scammer. Post counts, length of membership, and so forth have all proven indicators of trustworthiness, but not a guarantee. And while a guarantee surely isn't possible in reality, I know it is always the goal of those in this communitty to get it right and as close to perfect as possible.
I am currently trying to sell a couple phones, and half my worry is that people have enough trust and faith in me to feel comfortable buying from me. The other half is that I find a legit buyer. I can't even image being the actual buyer!
I feel that stricter guidelines and oversight will go a long way, although likely more time consuming as well. Perhaps making it so new listings have to get approved? And setting criteria for approval asking for photographic proof that the item exists? As well, maybe create an XDA paypal account, where the buyer pays XDA, and upon shipping confirmation/ receipt confirmation the funds are then transfered to the seller? This would put a lot of liability on XDA, which might not be plausable.
Ultimately, buyer and seller beware is and always will be the most important rule.
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Although opening the market place means that many problems exist,which is seller make slow response to buying,I may strengthen to monitor.Opening the market place may improve the dynamic of the forum.
If you want to savvy more information about mobile phone, please come to [scamlink]
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And you give a link to a Kirf phone site... shakes head... maybe we can also look into strengthening membership requirements/ process?
XDA can't take guarantee for anything that happens in marketplace, that is something ebay doesn't take inspite of such a heavy fee amount they charge. I feel xda is the best way to share things like pocket pc phones in like minded people to get the get value for both buyer & seller. It would be there no matter you have the marketplace or not. Marketplace has provided outlet to all such dealings.
We can ponder over how to make it more secure, but giving marketplace an existential threat is not I am in agreement with.
Marketplace open!!
As I said before,
All transactions between particulars on the WWW have some risk.
If you are not willing to take that risk please do not use marketplace and go and buy to a regular store!
You should be aware that if you want to buy cheap there is always a risk!
Let´s continue with marketplace!!
I noticed that some other sites require you to have a certain post count before posting/viewing the market place. This could cut the scammers out as it would require them to first be active in the community before being able to post.
Keep the market place.. I have used it for purchasing more than 1 phone, and lucky for me, my experiance here has been fantastic... I think people should pay for their transactions using a credit card... even with PayPal.. You can pay with credit card there.. That way if you are scammed and do no receive what you payed for, open up a dispute with both your credit card company as well as paypal.. evne if paypal can not "collect" anything, you credit card can cancel the transaction all together and take the money from paypal... (which will, in turn, make them want to look for the money a little harder, and even possibley bring up legal action againt the fraud monger!) In closing, KEEP THE MARKET PLACE...
I totally agree with 'Teej53214' and have voted for option 1.
I don't see why XDA should shoulder any responsibilty, nor have to police the marketplace,
since with all online dealing it is the buyers responsibility, not XDA's, to take adequate steps to protect himself.
as such, using a credit card is far the best way.
Yes, but at what point? A spammer will get a couple hundred posts in a few minutes, where as a legit member might not in a couple years.
As well, one of the most infamous scams thus far was carried out by a member with over 1000 posts, and 2 years of community involvement.
I noticed that some other sites require you to have a certain post count before posting/viewing the market place. This could cut the scammers out as it would require them to first be active in the community before being able to post.
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there already is a post count limit, i.e 30+ Posts, a seller less than post isent allowed to sell, and his thread is deleted
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there already is a post count limit, i.e 30+ Posts, a seller less than post isent allowed to sell, and his thread is deleted
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Can we not delete it? Someone may suggest a new guideline, which could be useful for both seller/buyer
I may be new here, but i feel i'll be around for a while. I feel the Market Place is a great idea for everyone, but some guildlines should be improved for everyoens experience.
I feel that the suggestions (option 3?) would to invoke a Post Count Requirement, but to add to this a review (to enter into the market place) must be made by an admin to make sure all posts to that post count are not spam to scam.
I also feel that the market place should incorporate some kind of market system. I know there's plugins for vBulletin that would allow such a thing, or better yet, force all users to mediate through another site for sales (eBay?). This way we'll know they're scammers...
ie if someone posts a acution on eBay for the sole purpose to sell an item (Buy it now at discolsed price in forum) and they're new user on eBay then more caution flags are thrown up... (Could use many other auction sites, etc).
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Maybe enforce some kind of physical conversation about products as well, phone call, etc?
Just my $.02
Keep it open.
I agree with what has been said. Use Paypal with a Credit card. Ivé have to open a dispute (not here) via Paypal and in the end I just contacted my credit card holder that refunded the payment.
Force users to have X many posts, visits or time from registering+posts before they can post in the marketplace.
skuliaxe said:
Keep it open.
I agree with what has been said. Use Paypal with a Credit card. Ivé have to open a dispute (not here) via Paypal and in the end I just contacted my credit card holder that refunded the payment.
Force users to have X many posts, visits or time from registering+posts before they can post in the marketplace.
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As Ather stated, there is a 30 post count limit. I do not see it documented anywhere maybe I skipped over it. Anyhow, I am positive there is a vbulletin plugin or add-on that restricts users under a set limit of posts to be capable of accessing the marketplace section.
redbandana said:
As Ather stated, there is a 30 post count limit. I do not see it documented anywhere maybe I skipped over it. Anyhow, I am positive there is a vbulletin plugin or add-on that restricts users under a set limit of posts to be capable of accessing the marketplace section.
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Ok, instead of making this thread about something that's not right let's take this wonderful opportunity to make it work.
We are open for suggestions
Who would think being a non-junior member OR being an XDA member for more then one year is appropriate/enough? Remember we are trying to scare the scammers off not everybody
Feel free to add to the list,
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12aon said:
Ok, instead of making this thread about something that's not right let's take this wonderful opportunity to make it work.
We are open for suggestions
Who would think being a non-junior member OR being an XDA member for more then one year is appropriate/enough? Remember we are trying to scare the scammers off not everybody
Feel free to add to the list,
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I would like to repeat my suggestions: I was once really involved at notebookreview and this is how we ran things
1. Require a set form for selling and buying. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=243274
2. Require a picture with proof of ownership. (a photo of the item with a piece of paper containing the username and a dated newspaper)
3. Require feedback sources: Amazon, ebay, heatware.
4. Reference previous sales. (some sort of internal feedback system)
I think this can help make the Marketplace a bit safer to everyone involved.
12aon said:
Ok, instead of making this thread about something that's not right let's take this wonderful opportunity to make it work.
We are open for suggestions
Who would think being a non-junior member OR being an XDA member for more then one year is appropriate/enough? Remember we are trying to scare the scammers off not everybody
Feel free to add to the list,
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Both of those could be restrictive to real sellers, and not actually scare off scammers.
The spam guys will get a couple hundred posts really quickly. If you toss in a 1 year time limit type thing, then people that are active, like me, wouldn't even be able to sell because I haven't been a member for over a year.
I think we should ask sellers to post at least 5 pics, with their username and a newspaper pictured in one. As well, they need to send their contact info to the section mod. They also need to put a random word picked by the mod and PM to them on the piece of paper with their username on it. Only then would the post actually be made public.
As well, you can ask that they also have shown themself a member of this community, either through length of time here, post count, etc., but subject to the mods descretion.
When donating money to Dev's etc, wouldn't you think it be customary/polite to receive a thank you from the person(s) either through email, Paypal email or the forum? I am not mad by any means, just disappointed a bit. I donated to 3 Dev's ($10, $5, $5)(not counting other Dev's from other boards) about a month or two ago. Now understanding people might be busy, overlooked, forgotten is understandable, but donating to 3 different Dev's with no (even automated "Thank You" email LOL) is kinda disappointing. Nothing to lose sleep over of course.
Now, it's not like a lot of money was donated, but some is better than none usually. I only use the one Dev's Rom, and from my understanding the other 2 help contribute(plus others besides the 2 I imagine). Maybe $10's & $5 aren't enough to justify a simple thanks?
I would say a 'thank you' is always nice
Though are these devs of really popular apps? Maybe they haven't yet had time to set up an automated response.
If I ever get donations I would definitely say "thanks!"
I am surprised as well that I didn't at least have an automated response. Oh well I guess.
They make Roms, not apps, but are fairly popular I think.
I have always thanked people for donations but unfortunately like the OP have not always received the same courtesy. Makes me think that it was not appreciated.
zone23 said:
I have always thanked people for donations but unfortunately like the OP have not always received the same courtesy. Makes me think that it was not appreciated.
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Not everyone actually finds out...
I know some members (myself included), choose to direct donations to an account they don't control. So nobody gets a reply from me, that I know of... It's not out of lack of politeness or appreciation, more just that I actually don't know...
Not being here for the money, it makes no difference to me, so I put it to an account used to pay hosting bills
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When donating money to Dev's etc, wouldn't you think it be customary/polite to receive a thank you from the person(s) either through email, Paypal email or the forum? I am not mad by any means, just disappointed a bit. I donated to 3 Dev's ($10, $5, $5)(not counting other Dev's from other boards) about a month or two ago. Now understanding people might be busy, overlooked, forgotten is understandable, but donating to 3 different Dev's with no (even automated "Thank You" email LOL) is kinda disappointing. Nothing to lose sleep over of course.
Now, it's not like a lot of money was donated, but some is better than none usually. I only use the one Dev's Rom, and from my understanding the other 2 help contribute(plus others besides the 2 I imagine). Maybe $10's & $5 aren't enough to justify a simple thanks?
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The "Thank You" comes in the form of further ROM development.
Sent from my Rocket in the Sky (SGH-i727) using XDA Premium.
PeartFan40 said:
The "Thank You" comes in the form of further ROM development.
Sent from my Rocket in the Sky (SGH-i727) using XDA Premium.
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That's not good enough, at least for me. If your asking for donations, which anyone with a paypal etc that's visible to click on or the "buy me a beer" deal; "is" asking for a donation. Most people growing up have learned in their culture if asking for something, then getting it, results in the said person saying thanks.
Just as people asking for ROM's etc say thanks in their posts to the person. People wouldn't say thanks whether you make the ROM or not LOL. Only if you made it etc.
Further ROM development is done whether a donation is made or not, so that "Further ROM development" is a moot point.
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Not everyone actually finds out...
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If asking for donations, IMO, there is a responsibility to know who definitely appreciates the work. Sort of a moral obligation to say thanks. Nothing more, just a thanks.
When I've donated to various organizations. Salvation Army, Habitat For Humanity, hurricane victims etc, I've at least gotten the automated "thank you" responses LOL.
When it comes to Android, it's been another story...
Lol I always thank and still offer the same great help ..
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Say "thank you" must be the first thing TO do for education.
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Hi Xda team,
We want to run a contest & giveaway some prize (may be 1 yr dropbox pro membership) or $100 gift coupons for few of our early testers. We believe that stays as motivation for the early testers. It'll be productive for both user & us.
Before starting the thread, we want to know if it is allowed in here. We'll be completely transparent in awarding the prizes (may be we'll ask a mod to do a random.org ).
Is it allowed? Can i start the thread?
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Hi Xda team,
We want to run a contest & giveaway some prize (may be 1 yr dropbox pro membership) or $100 gift coupons for few of our early testers. We believe that stays as motivation for the early testers. It'll be productive for both user & us.
Before starting the thread, we want to know if it is allowed in here. We'll be completely transparent in awarding the prizes (may be we'll ask a mod to do a random.org ).
Is it allowed? Can i start the thread?
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Hi,
I will flag this over to svetius, whom you should probably contact regarding this. As long as you can reach an agreement with him, I don't see why not.
I am just a ROM flashing newbie here, for the most part. I have had Android phones for 3 years or so but flashed my first ROM recently. Can you guy/gals please donate something to these developers? I have read some things where the donate to download ratio is ridiculously low.
I don't know what an appropriate amount to donate is. Maybe somebody can chime in on this. I donated $5 for my first ROM and the more questions I ask the developer the more I would donate. I plan to donate some more as I download more and more items.
If you can afford this phone then please donate something to these hardworking people. I don't know how many cans or bottles you would need to collect to get a few bucks but I guarantee the time it would take to get those cans or bottles is way less than the time these developers give to helping us all out.
DONT FORGET the costs associated with many of them having a website and the bandwidth they have to pay for when we download off of their site
You randomly read some statement somewhere that says donation to download is low? How about some specifics, such as rom and donations.
Your statement assumes too much, and not in a good light.
Most devs love them but don't expect them; they do it out of passion. Were it a financial burden, they would actively request or find hosts and help.
Also, with all the various rom devs, module devs, cross sharing, and kangers, who is to decide which persons or teams should really get donations?
Who says we haven't or don't donate?
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Hey moderators.....can you please delete this thread. I posted originally and really don't feel like getting into an online s h i t throwing session with others even though I am generally very good at it. I appeared to spark a nerve.
I think this is a legitimate topic.
Asking for donations never hurt. I guess the right way to say it is, "think about donating to your fellow developer of the rom you are running."
For they are the reason you are enjoying your expensive phone.
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That's a better way of saying it. When I read the first post, it sounded like whoever read it is being presumptuously told that they're not being supportive of the ROMs they use.
OP, you'd be surprised how willing people are to donate on here. One example is... madmack brought CM10.1 to our devices, but wanted additional support from another developer. The developer agreed, but as long as he was able to have the funds to purchase the phone to test and work on it. In less than a few days, enough people had donated enough for him to purchase the phone, but I had seen that people continued to donate to him.
The premise of this tread isn't bad. Just know that when people on here see good work, they're very very supportive.