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Well the title says it all, did any of you guys/gals tried to use a micro-USB to HDMI cable to try and get tv-out of higher quality than current component cables?
I know some Samsung phones had that option(usb to HDMI) and I know android OS supports it, but many companies have been known for blocking this option however. Samsung themselves even offered the cable, but it is now out of stock.
Also, does anyone know where to get this cable for less than $30+? I would try it out but that price just seems like a rip-off!
Plus does anyone know where the restriction the manufacturer puts on usb to hdmi video output is lcoated at? (in the anroid OS parameters)
Thnx!
I believe the Captivate can only do TV out through the Headphone jack, not the micro USB prot. But don't quote me on that. Check out this video.
i read a review that said the phone could do tv out through micro usb to hdmi but the cable from samsung is too expensive and sold out to boot.
hollywould said:
I believe the Captivate can only do TV out through the Headphone jack, not the micro USB prot. But don't quote me on that. Check out this video.
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The Captivate can in fact produce TVout via a MicroUSB - to - HDMI cable. You just need the cable and your good to go.
However some DRM Protected files may not play correctly on your TV
Samsung released a page with it on it. Its out of stock, but will be priced at $50! I think that's way too much, hopefully there will be cheaper options out there.
The samsung item is Product ID: ECC1HU0BBEBSTD
Does anybody know if the HDMI cable will power the phone at the same time as using it? I have read that the HDMI spec provides a 5V power supply and was wondering if that carried over with this cable (or correct me if I'm wrong on that). It doesn't sound like anybody has been able to find these cables anywhere yet, but I was just curious if I should be excited at the prospect or dismiss it entirely knowing that it'll kill the phone's battery...
gonna hafta pick up this cable sooon when its available...
I'll buy it if it works like the 3.5mm headphone jack video. IE, it displays anything, rather than just a few supported things.
Cheap deal
Found this while searching for that cable. Looks like you can get a replica cable for $3.60. Out of stock of course.
http://www.myluxphone.com/samsung-ecc1hu0bbebstd-tv-out-cable-micro-usb-to-hdmi.html
Also found the Samsung official one for $50 that is currently out of stock.
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/...detail&subsubtype=data-cables-kits&returnurl=
pezx44 said:
Does anybody know if the HDMI cable will power the phone at the same time as using it? I have read that the HDMI spec provides a 5V power supply and was wondering if that carried over with this cable (or correct me if I'm wrong on that). It doesn't sound like anybody has been able to find these cables anywhere yet, but I was just curious if I should be excited at the prospect or dismiss it entirely knowing that it'll kill the phone's battery...
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The pictures of the cable show a port of some sort, on the HDMI end. It looks like there is a picture of a power plug just above the port. I'm guessing you can plug your micro-usb charger into the HDMI end, and charge your phone that way.
Quick thought on this guys. There's no proprietary magic going on so someone should try the micro to standard usb then get a usb to hdmi cable. I hate to string cables together but data is data and in lieu of waiting or paying 50 bucks, I'm gonna try a two adapter method. Probably cost 20 or less not 50.
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sevenvt said:
Quick thought on this guys. There's no proprietary magic going on so someone should try the micro to standard usb then get a usb to hdmi cable. I hate to string cables together but data is data and in lieu of waiting or paying 50 bucks, I'm gonna try a two adapter method. Probably cost 20 or less not 50.
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Give us a shout if it works then! Buy cheap from www.dealextreme.com
Try these this is the best place i have found for cables
http://www.monoprice.com/products/s...deo+Cables+-+Micro-HDMI/HDMI&keyword=usb hdmi
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Try these this is the best place i have found for cables
http://www.monoprice.com/products/s...deo+Cables+-+Micro-HDMI/HDMI&keyword=usb hdmi
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Need to pay better attention, those cables will not work. You need a microUSB to HDMI not a microHDMI to HDMI cable.
Thnx for replies, I also posted this on another android forum and it seems there are just no shops that currently sell it. I called couple of big suppliers and they all say that it should be arriving soon.
So it seems we just going to have to wait this one out.
$50 for a 2 ft cable makes even the ever so expensive rip-off cables from Monster Cable co. cry. lol
I was hoping this would work, I emailed Samsung to see what they had to say. Their response was not what I was hoping....
Hopefully its a case of the customer service rep not knowing anything. But its looking like these cables are only for some pmp style devices Samsung makes. It would be nice if someone can confirm this.
The way it sounds is if you want anything better than composite video out, you will have to use DLNA.
On Monday, August 2, 2010, SAMSUNG ERMS
> Dear XXXX,
> ****Thank you for your inquiry. The part number ECC1HU0BBEBSTD
> for a *Samsung TV Out cable is different.
> ****The part number of the Samsung TV Out cable for Galaxy
> S device is ECC1TX1BBEGSTA. If you need more information about this issue, you
> can log on to the Samsung.com.
> ****We also invite you to contact Samsung Customer Care
> at your earliest convenience through our toll free number 1-888-987-HELP (1-888-987-4357)
>
> ****Thank you for your continued interest in Samsung
> products.
> Sincerely,
> Technical Support
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Clockwork Mod Recovery
HI,
Off this subject, but I noticed you are running the Clockwork Mod Recovery on a Rooted Captivate. Can you point me in the right direction for accomplishing this?
Sharon
warri said:
The Captivate can in fact produce TVout via a MicroUSB - to - HDMI cable. You just need the cable and your good to go.
However some DRM Protected files may not play correctly on your TV
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This cable:
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/...subsubtype=data-cables-kits&tab=accCompatible
Is not compatible with the Captivate.
rkorzuch said:
This cable:
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/...subsubtype=data-cables-kits&tab=accCompatible
Is not compatible with the Captivate.
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Samsung changed its tune about the cable working with the Vibrant and Captivate. So either they made a mistake and removed the cable from the page(s). Or they are going to announce the cable when they have the software to make it happen done.
They probably made a mistake, however on both captivate and vibrant seems slightly more unlikely.
Very fishy indeed, like always samsung is in some kind of a cover-up... in any way the guy I was talking to said they special ordered them and they have arrived now.
Here is the link...
www .cellularaccessory.com/ecc1hu0bbeb.html (remove spaces of course...)
Not much better than samsungs price but at least they have them in stock...
Someone should buy this and see if it works lol
Or you all can contribute a dollar or something and I wil lbuy it myself for testing.
¿Where the fck can we buy an MHL adapter microusb-hdmi or a full cable to use with the phone?
tada!
http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-i9100-mhl-adaptor
As clove give a mid june date, anyone know other site to buy a mhl cable now?
try here, but its more expensive
http://cgi.ebay.com/Samsung-Galaxy-...183007?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item5ae01ef99f
note: this was supposed to be sold for the galaxy s, but i think it didnt work, so it was abandoned. I think that what happenend. If im wrong, someone kindly correct me please
Hum, I think that MHL is a different kind of cable, in concept it is the same input output, but the middle conversor I dont know.
I prefer not to try at that price until I know for sure
Is this not all that is needed
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320679284523
Hope so as i orderd one a few hours ago.
Is this not all that is needed
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=320679284523
Hope so as i orderd one a few hours ago.
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I doubt that'll work as it's not an MHL connector, which I understand is HDMI and USB combined, but if it somehow does... bargain!
Lol now i look properly its not going to work at all
imo very stupid not to use standard HDMI mini port... now we have to buy adapters and ****.. and the phone won't charge if you don't have special adapter.. epic fail imo.. anyway they should include adapters with the phone.
I agree, they should include the required cables and adapters in the box, other manufacturers like Nokia do with their flagship handsets.
I think MHL will ultimately be better than mini HDMI port though, since its looking very likely to become the next standard connection.
I'm hoping to get one of the MHL cable/adapters from the MHL consortium for my Clove Blog review, if I do then I will post up a youTube video for everyone. At the present time the consortium PR person is trying to procure one for me, but it seems likely its inordinately difficult, so remains to be seen whether I will have it in time for the review.
In the very least, you'd expect them to have manufactured and released the accessories by the time the actual phone is released.
lambda-tek.com/componentshop/index.pl?prodID=2191847
due to my low post count i cant post this as a link.
have spotted this adaptor for the HTC Flyer, says will be in stock 16/5
I assume this would work guess a little more research needed 1st.
Here you go... It's supposedly the official Samsung Galaxy S II MHL adaptor.
http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-i9100-mhl-adaptor
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Here you go... It's supposedly the official Samsung Galaxy S II MHL adaptor.
http://www.clove.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-i9100-mhl-adaptor
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First stock due mid-June just saying.
Can someone confirm for me that this is the same cable. They call it an Ethernet Micro-HDMI (Type D).
Edit: Monoprice[)0Tcom has them for like 5 bucks. I can give the link so you can see the cable once I get some more posts in here.
I'm not worried about the Ethernet part, it should not get in the way because the extra connections for it are female.
Also, there is a lot of great info on these forums. Look forward to sticking around and modding some phones in the future.
Edit 2: So when searching for the Samsung cable by Goog'ling the phone, they call it either "microUSB" or "HML port"
That site has two different types that they call: Mini-HDMI (Type C) and Micro-HDMI (Type D) the type C looks like the usual Samsung cable connection, I was just wondering if there is some different way they wired the Samsung cables so that we had to use those ones. I cannot see them doing that though since there are many devices switching to the same cable as well.
The trick is that standard HDMI so far does not include a link for power. The Samsung MHL adapter has a microUSB plug that connects into the phone and a microUSB jack to connect your charger, and the mini-HDMI jack to hook up to the TV so the device gets charged while playing back. In a future specification update, HDMI will probably be amended to include a power link.
Some info here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtwTcnR0hqA
Clove told me that the MHL cables from different manufacturers will be compatible which is useful to know. I guess they all conform to the standard
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Just seen this in the description for the HTC version - interesting
" Also if your television supports MHL enabled HDMI connections, then you can charge your HTC Sensation when connected and control the Sensation using the television remote (MHL enabled televisions expected late 2011)"
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Thats only true if you TV is MHL capable (hint: nobodies is yet).
i dont understand how the phone has is out but the cables are not? how do they know it works if theres no cables lol
Has anyone yet found a cheap MHL to HDMI adapter that's confirmed to work with the Galaxy S3?
The official Samsung adapter is still $40(!) and who knows if THAT will be pin incompatible in the future too (MHL is supposed to be standard).
How about the $13-14 ones from Amazon that is supposedly Samsung branded? I have the one that came with the Infuse but I haven't tested it out yet.
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-MHL-H...F8&qid=1340683252&sr=8-1&keywords=samsung+mhl
That will not work, S III requires a 'special' adapter, the older ones, such as for the S II, will not work.
Yea i bought the cheap Menotek mhl adapter ($13 shipped) from Amazon about a week or so before i got the s3....
I found out later that the s3 has a different pin out so yea, no dice on the Menotek. :thumbdown:
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Has anyone tried these? $14 and they claim to be for the s3!
amazon.com/Adapter-Micro-Samsung-i9300-Galaxy/dp/B008AMY5GA/ref=sr_1_2?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1340689535&sr=1-2&keywords=handhelditems+galaxy+s3+mhl
amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy-Package-include-HandHelditems/dp/B008AMYB28/ref=sr_1_3?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1340689535&sr=1-3&keywords=handhelditems+galaxy+s3+mhl
amazon.com/Adapter-Micro-Samsung-i9300-Galaxy/dp/B008AMYA7E/ref=sr_1_4?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1340689535&sr=1-4&keywords=handhelditems+galaxy+s3+mhl
I'm wondering if it wouldn't be cheaper to buy the old 5pin mhl adapter and get the new adapter to make it work. I know it sounds funny to get an adapter for your adapter but I have seen the old mhl for as low as $10 (generic) and the new connector for not much more than that. Were as the new Samsung cord cost $40. I haven't seen any (generic) ones yet.
With this being said I wonder if there would be any limitations to doing this. Can anyone confirm?
I also looked at the links (Tokcin) and I think those are for older 5pin phones. In fact one of the reviews said it didn't work for the s3 not to buy it.
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I just ordered one from monoprice and will get the 5 to 11 pin adapter when available.
I read recently that the 11 pin interface allows for MHL and USB Host at the same time, which I don't care about, so see no need for the $40 11 pin MHL adapter. Still not sure how that is even supposed to work without another adapter anyway to split the MHL and USB Host functionality.
zmore said:
Has anyone yet found a cheap MHL to HDMI adapter that's confirmed to work with the Galaxy S3?
The official Samsung adapter is still $40(!) and who knows if THAT will be pin incompatible in the future too (MHL is supposed to be standard).
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http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EPL-FU10BEGSTA
its a samsung 5pin to 11pin adaptor, 9.99 from them direct.
xtrezpasor said:
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/EPL-FU10BEGSTA
its a samsung 5pin to 11pin adaptor, 9.99 from them direct.
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I've got an old one for the Samsung Captivate. Does anyone know it this adapter will allow it to work with the S3?
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I've got an old one for the Samsung Captivate. Does anyone know it this adapter will allow it to work with the S3?
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It will not work as is. You either need to buy the adapter to make it work(costs $10) or buy the new cord for the s3($40). The only down fall to buying the adapter instead of the new cord is no one knows if there is going to be a limitation to it. The new cord uses the 7 pin layout instead of the 5 pin layout. The new 7 pin layout is said to be able to do simultaneous mhl and otg. I am not sure if the adapter will let you do that. As far as I know there are no cords out to allow the simultaneous mhl and otg right now any way. I would just buy the adapter.
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RTBee said:
I've got an old one for the Samsung Captivate. Does anyone know it this adapter will allow it to work with the S3?
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The Captivate doesn't have MHL, it used the headphone jack.
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its a samsung 5pin to 11pin adaptor, 9.99 from them direct.[/QUOTE]
So as I understand correctly, I can use this with my existing adapter (MHL) which I bought for galaxy s2.
raghu007 said:
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its a samsung 5pin to 11pin adaptor, 9.99 from them direct.
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So as I understand correctly, I can use this with my existing adapter (MHL) which I bought for galaxy s2.[/QUOTE]
Yes, you should.
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I'm really hoping someone comes out with an MHL+OTG cable, would make things very fun and exciting. I may have to pull the trigger as it is on the new MHL cable just to play with in the meantime, wish it wasn't so expensive.
geargamer said:
I'm wondering if it wouldn't be cheaper to buy the old 5pin mhl adapter and get the new adapter to make it work. I know it sounds funny to get an adapter for your adapter but I have seen the old mhl for as low as $10 (generic) and the new connector for not much more than that. Were as the new Samsung cord cost $40. I haven't seen any (generic) ones yet.
With this being said I wonder if there would be any limitations to doing this. Can anyone confirm?
I also looked at the links (Tokcin) and I think those are for older 5pin phones. In fact one of the reviews said it didn't work for the s3 not to buy it.
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I tried two different generic ones I had, and neither worked. Expansys has them for $30 free shipping on their site though. I also posted a thread letting ppl know I did get it working on a 720p display I used it on, with no problems. Im actually glad I spent the money, because its a much more secure fit then the generic ones vIve always used, it locks in place kind of. I just hope Samsung uses the same one for their new devices from here out!
punzada said:
I'm really hoping someone comes out with an MHL+OTG cable, would make things very fun and exciting. I may have to pull the trigger as it is on the new MHL cable just to play with in the meantime, wish it wasn't so expensive.
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This would be "TAKE ALL MY MONEY" tier right here. MAKE IT HAPPEN, CHINESE KNOCK-OFF COMPANIES.
punzada said:
I'm really hoping someone comes out with an MHL+OTG cable, would make things very fun and exciting. I may have to pull the trigger as it is on the new MHL cable just to play with in the meantime, wish it wasn't so expensive.
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How do you plan to use both at the same time? I was thinking about this myself but I can't see myself using them at the same time.
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androholic said:
I tried two different generic ones I had, and neither worked. Expansys has them for $30 free shipping on their site though. I also posted a thread letting ppl know I did get it working on a 720p display I used it on, with no problems. Im actually glad I spent the money, because its a much more secure fit then the generic ones vIve always used, it locks in place kind of. I just hope Samsung uses the same one for their new devices from here out!
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Can you give us a link to the one you got and knows working? My 1080p tv just crapped out and I have to use my 720p/1080I tv now. I have been waiting on a cheaper solution to Samsung's $40 cable because I plan on buying the WiFi dongle went it comes out. By the way from what I understand Samsung's cable won't work with anything other than 1080p. So if your tv doesn't support 1080p it won't work. Thanks in advance.
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geargamer said:
How do you plan to use both at the same time? I was thinking about this myself but I can't see myself using them at the same time.
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External hard drive with movies mounted over OTG while outputting it to a large HDTV @ 1080p gloriousness would be a start. with a cable like that you basically have a docking station in a cable, very interesting stuff.
punzada said:
External hard drive with movies mounted over OTG while outputting it to a large HDTV @ 1080p gloriousness would be a start. with a cable like that you basically have a docking station in a cable, very interesting stuff.
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I was thinking I would do that through the media server on my computer but I do like the idea of the docking station.
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Has anyone connected their Galaxy S III up to a Motorola Atrix Lapdock?
If I remember well, the Motorola lapdock uses a HDMI plug to connect with the Atrix.
GS3 doesn't have one, you should get a MHL/HDMI convertor. Don't know if it'll work as a native HDMI plug will do.
If someone have both, it could be intereting to see if that work
So I'm going to dust this thread off a bit because this is the project I'm looking to work on -
I've ordered an Atrix Lapdock for my Bionic (very simple mod to dock the bionic) but as my personal phone is an S3, I'd like to use the lapdock with it primarily while still having the option to dock the bionic while on the go (I carry both phones). (While I'm at it, I'll probably look to get an hdmi micro extension cable and usb-micro-male to usb-A-male extension and try and use the lapdock as the base station for the Samsung Slate 7 PC i barely use since the interface is so poor)
Here's what I've gathered by reading various threads.
Lapdock:
The Lapdock will work with any HDMI source as seen in other threads (ie connecting to a PS3 via hdmi female micro to hdmi male standard adapter, $4 part from dealextreme). Others have posted how they can use the lapdock as a self powered hdmi external monitor with their laptop (very cool usage btw considering it's size)
Droid Bionic:
easily docks to the Atrix version of the lapdock by simply rotating the hdmi/micro usb connectors 180degrees in their sockets since they're piped in with short cables.
Galaxy SIII / S3 (mine is the T999):
here's where it gets tricky.
As I've gathered about the 11pin micro usb port (on the S3 and shared by the Note 2):
the original 5 pin MHL standard was ditched in favor of the 11pin MHL type connection. this in theory would allow the use of hdmi output with simultaneous usb otg and charging capabilities.
reviewing this thread here: (showthread.php?t=1953061&page=2) one can see that an OTG cable was modded with a simple resistor to allow for charging - member triff (the OP) was able to get this going and noted the log he got when the cable was plugged in reported 'hdmi fail' which leans to failing to initiate an hdmi connection... later in the thread member MRBR7 alludes to having an hdd running to view while charging on the OTG cable - his post is a bit vague as to whether he did the mod on an OTG cable or an HDMI cable.... i'll have to follow up.
finally, the posts in this thread (first 12 pages are a quick read showthread.php?t=1741583&page=12) provide resistor values and some close ups of the boards for the 11 to 5 pin adapter as well as what I thought was a list of pins for the 5 pin MHL.
I'm really trying to be purposefully clear in this thread as to my findings because it seems there are too many vague threads out there regarding the functionality; simply missing a letter or punctuation in a thread can turn a sure thing into a vague post...
another avenue is the official samsung galaxy note 2 "smart dock" which has 3 usb ports, in additon to an hdmi output and charging input - since this is sold out in the US (and due to PAL vs NTSC Standard I am hesitant to order from germany) it'll be a while before I can personally buy and test one (unless i can find one locally somehow). this seems like the best bet for a dock which can be hacked or adapted to interface the s3 with the lapdock.
my ideal final outcome of this thread would be to have a small cable or interface box which i can plug into the s3 to enable hdmi output + usb otg + charging. that trifecta would connect via a single micro-usb to the device (11 pin) and have an output of a female usb (A or micro, either can be adapted) and either a male or female standard hdmi (again, both of which can be adapted). this cable could enable the phone to be used as an impromptu desktop, carputer, lapdock brain etc...
Lapdock software required...
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Lapdock software required...
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What do you mean by that?
The Atrix Lapdock is internally nothing but an 1366x768 HDMI LCD monitor with (rather poor) speakers and an USB-Hub on which a keyboard/touchpad and two free USB-ports are connected to. The monitor and the USB-hub have to be simply attached to any device which supports HDMI-output and USB-OTG via (slightly uncommon) HDMI- and USB-OTG-plugs.
There is no software running on the Lapdock (it is actually completely dumb) and there is no need for any specific SW on the connected device (might be nice to have something like webtop running but it is not necessary).
The S3 works flawlessly with the keyboard/touchpad/USB-hub using a USB-OTG-Adapter and with the HDMI-monitor via an MHL/HDMI adapter cable. The tricky part is only to get both simultaneously and possibly even charge the S3 from the Lapdock. For that purpose I use as long as there is no combined MHL-HDMI/USB-OTG-adapter/dock available (as described in the thread and page already indicated above: showthread.php?t=1741583&page=12 ) the allshare cast dongle and a cheap OTG adapter. You can use office apps, watch videos, play games etc. without any problem. You can check out
ecx . images-amazon . com/images/I/712%2BAbT1u3L.png
(no links for me yet)
to see how that looks like...
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What do you mean by that?
The Atrix Lapdock is internally nothing but an 1366x768 HDMI LCD monitor with (rather poor) speakers and an USB-Hub on which a keyboard/touchpad and two free USB-ports are connected to. The monitor and the USB-hub have to be simply attached to any device which supports HDMI-output and USB-OTG via (slightly uncommon) HDMI- and USB-OTG-plugs.
There is no software running on the Lapdock (it is actually completely dumb) and there is no need for any specific SW on the connected device (might be nice to have something like webtop running but it is not necessary).
The S3 works flawlessly with the keyboard/touchpad/USB-hub using a USB-OTG-Adapter and with the HDMI-monitor via an MHL/HDMI adapter cable. The tricky part is only to get both simultaneously and possibly even charge the S3 from the Lapdock. For that purpose I use as long as there is no combined MHL-HDMI/USB-OTG-adapter/dock available (as described in the thread and page already indicated above: showthread.php?t=1741583&page=12 ) the allshare cast dongle and a cheap OTG adapter. You can use office apps, watch videos, play games etc. without any problem. You can check out
ecx . images-amazon . com/images/I/712%2BAbT1u3L.png
(no links for me yet)
to see how that looks like...
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Interesting..especially for the 89$ price tag. Long as one can deal with S3 not charging its a simple setup no ?
xManMythLegend said:
Interesting..especially for the 89$ price tag. Long as one can deal with S3 not charging its a simple setup no ?
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Well, I got the Lapdock for less than 70 Euros and I think that is really great value since it is very well build and versatile... the allshare cast dongle is a bit overpriced (currently it is about 55Euros here) for an adapter-replacement but if you need it for different use cases (I mainly have it for a small LED-beamer) it might be worth it.
You can charge the S3 from one of the USB-ports of the Lapdock using a micro-USB cable (as long as the dongle or any other device is connected to the Lapdocks HDMI-plug - that is what signals the Lapdock to power up), but you can not simultaneously use the MHL/USB-OTG then. So it is nice for watching movies from your S3 on the Lapdock-screen (btw. the sound works fine as well) while re-charging the S3 but for "office" work with kb/touchpad you have to replug the OTG-cable. Actually I'm quite impressed with the relatively low power consumption of the allshare cast connection - so that is not a real problem IMHO. There might be people out there to solder the right resistors into OTG-adapter cables to allow both...
One disadvantage is obviously that you have this "bulky" (it is actually lightweight but still bigger than a simple adapter) dongle on the Lapdock. The big advantage over a dock is that you can more or less freely move around the S3 while using this combination.
deedscreen said:
Lapdock software required...
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you obviously don't know anything about the lapdock, so please, hang around, do some searching and learn about what it is before posting vague comments that ruin the integrity of a factual thread.
xManMythLegend said:
Interesting..especially for the 89$ price tag. Long as one can deal with S3 not charging its a simple setup no ?
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google 'bens outlet' (a 1saleaday company) and you can pick one up for as little as $50usd! assuming it actually ships out, but worth it for a spare monitor project at the very least... - and yes, not a hard setup at all - the first use in my mind would be just to have a full size screen on the go, however to have a cable capable of mhl/hdmi + usb otg + charging would turn the dock into a powerhouse android laptop using 4g internet etc... (it'll give the chromebook a run for it's money)
a32quaeler said:
the allshare cast dongle is a bit overpriced (currently it is about 55Euros here) for an adapter-replacement but if you need it for different use cases (I mainly have it for a small LED-beamer) it might be worth it.
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what's this LED beamer? (i'm just intrigued)
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You can charge the S3 from one of the USB-ports of the Lapdock using a micro-USB cable (as long as the dongle or any other device is connected to the Lapdocks HDMI-plug - that is what signals the Lapdock to power up), but you can not simultaneously use the MHL/USB-OTG then. So it is nice for watching movies from your S3 on the Lapdock-screen (btw. the sound works fine as well) while re-charging the S3 but for "office" work with kb/touchpad you have to replug the OTG-cable. Actually I'm quite impressed with the relatively low power consumption of the allshare cast connection - so that is not a real problem IMHO. There might be people out there to solder the right resistors into OTG-adapter cables to allow both...
One disadvantage is obviously that you have this "bulky" (it is actually lightweight but still bigger than a simple adapter) dongle on the Lapdock. The big advantage over a dock is that you can more or less freely move around the S3 while using this combination.
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all very cool - I'm thinking of ordering the allshare dongle just to try this out until the smartdock gets back in stock to hack it apart .. I'll probably order an 11pin mhl in the meantime too. I have a 5pin mhl, not sure what I can do with it without the adapter (i'll probably bundle it with my galaxy nexus and sell it all)
@a32: on a side note, i broke down and bought a Note 2 yesterday haha, so I'll probably be continuing this project with the Note2, (tmo just happened to have some in stock haha) I'm putting my week old S3 up for sale soon, but this project is still on my radar!
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you obviously don't know anything about the lapdock, so please, hang around, do some searching and learn about what it is before posting vague comments that...
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The S3 would need the lapdock .apk for certain functionality... calm down, I've owned enough Motorola Android devices to know what I'm saying...
Thats all... Ben's Outlet would be good plus All4Cellular sells it with the extenders...
Its out of stock now but you can get the extenders separately at a hefty price:
www.all4cellular.com/motorola-atrix-4g-laptop-dock-hdmi-upgrade-kit.html
The hefty priced cables are below, but it is worth the cost:
www.all4cellular.com/motorola-atrix-4g-upgrade-kit.html
deedscreen said:
The S3 would need the lapdock .apk for certain functionality... calm down, I've owned enough Motorola Android devices to know what I'm saying...
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Sorry to snap, but if you've been on enough forums, you begin to notice that comments like yours are just add to confusion when unsubstantiated.
Any phone without a 'web top' mode or apk would obviously not work similar to the webtop mode that Motorola intended, however it'll still work, perfectly in fact, because this connection project is akin to hooking up your phone to a tv or monitor and using a usb mouse and keyboard to control it, albeit it's portable, like the padphone.
If you have any ideas as to how one could hookup both mhl/hdmi and usb/otg with charging I'm all ears (the real breakthrough would easily be seeing a US version T999 or similar running with the Smart Dock for the Note 2
Another thought to throw out there is whether this finished product could look similar to the padphone concept: a pocket for the phone to slip into, docking connector inside, basically self contained
As for those extension cables posted, places like monoprice and dealextreme have much better prices and selection, granted I'm just going those links on my phone - i don't understand how those are considered 'adapters' when all they do is extend the port
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Silly question but why would you need software when your using it as a monitor, keyboard, mouse, usb hub & charging?
djashjones said:
Silly question but why would you need software when your using it as a monitor, keyboard, mouse, usb hub & charging?
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You don't.
... that's what we posted already. The webtop SW on some Motorola devices starts a specific desktop and window-manager on your phone when connecting to the lapdock. It may facilitate the use of the apps on the phone via the Lapdock (resolution/size/... of apps in windows etc.) but you do not need it to work with the S3 on the Lapdock.
awesome! im very tempted to get one but in the UK they are still expensive
teshgnex said:
what's this LED beamer? (i'm just intrigued)
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A bit off-topic: It is an ACER C20 I own for nearly 2 years now. Like this one:
ecx . images-amazon . com/images/I/41aXbNerVoL._SL500_.jpg
It is out of stock anyway, but I could "partly" recommend it:
It has the size of a phone, a built-in battery and - most important - lots of inputs (mini HDMI (HDCP), D-Sub (24-pin Universal), Composite Video/Audio (2.5mm 4-pin mini jack), micro USB (Typ AB), micro SD Card (SDHC)) + Audio out & speaker. It plays media from internal storage/SD card but that internal media-player is crap. It is however extremely mobile and together with movie players on modern phones like the S3+cast-dongle - or any tablet with HDMI-out or a device with Composite A/V out (e.g. old Nokias) - a nice device e.g. to entertain kids on travel or showing pictures while visiting the grandparents or alike. On the other hand, it is not really bright at all (actually you have to be in a very, very dark room to use larger screen areas) and the battery lasts often only 1/2 hour (but you can charge it with 5V from USBs or use it while on the mains adapter).
It works really nice with the S3 + allshare cast dongle (that's what I bought the dongle for in the first place), has a descent image quality (848x480 pixel) and accepts up to 1080i HD over HDMI as input signal for downscaling but for the dongle the input is of course limited 720p. It does NOT work with the S3 using the cheap (chinese) USB-MHL/HDMI-adapter with the long red cables (somewhere discussed here as well) since that one provides 1080p30Hz (at least to my TV - on which it works) and the projector obviously can't sync to that.
Back to the topic: that cheap HDMI-adapter for S3 works not very well with the Atrix Lapdock; you get an image but it is vertically squeezed. Again: the Lapdock and the S3 + cast dongle go together extremely well.
That led projector sounds pretty cool, I've waffle'd on buying one various times but can't say I've had a particular need other than for the fun of it hah
a32quaeler said:
Back to the topic: that cheap HDMI-adapter for S3 works not very well with the Atrix Lapdock; you get an image but it is vertically squeezed. Again: the Lapdock and the S3 + cast dongle go together extremely well.
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So I'm guessing you've tested this, but with the hdmi cable and the screen rotation turned on, the device still shows up in portrait? Unless I'm reading that wrong and you mean it's width wise video but looks like a 4:3 video on a 16:9 widescreen?
I wonder if that behavior is present with the official adapter...
So to return to the method of the allshare dongle, does it look like image 1 as i posted?
I recall you mentioned the dongle's hdmi signal is what triggers the docks micro usb port for kb/mouse control and charging, so for clarity i drew the wiring method up.
The next two wiring diagrams are what I'd expect to do as i finalize what the connection should/could look like...
I'm always in for feedback on streamlining the connections - the simple yet two part method will be just having the official smart dock, assuming it works with the s3, powered with one usb port, hdmi to hdmi mini and usb micro to the usb port, though maybe modify the output to delete charging power from the kb/m micro usb port...
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teshgnex said:
I recall you mentioned the dongle's hdmi signal is what triggers the docks micro usb port for kb/mouse control and charging, so for clarity i drew the wiring method up.
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Sorry, don't have much time and will have a look at your drawings later... The presence(!) of a device connected to the HDMI is detected by checking for a "Ground"-connection of one of the HDMI-pins (from googling I remember it to be HDMI-DDC/CEC) - that's what powers up the Lapdock (and activates the USB-Ports). No need for an already powered device on that HDMI port. The problem is however that there are many HDMI adapters/extension cables out there which do not pass that specific wire/connection and then the Lapdock will not react when using those. There is however no need to buy these overexpensive Motorola cable sets (those prices are unbelievable!)... my adapters & cables cost in total about 9 Euros.
+5V on the OTG-USB cable from the peripheral device (=Lapdock) to the host is not "liked" by most hosts (the S3 did not really react on it but it is probably not a good idea anyhow) so I cut the 5V red wire of the micro-USB(female)-to-micro-USB(male)-cable. On the latter you need something to signal the S3 the OTG mode (pin 4 grounded to 5). I do that quite stupidly using additional USB->OTG-adapters but you would have to take care of that in your MHL/OTC combi adapter with resistors etc. anyhow.
The "chinese" Adapter is vertically squeezed. The S3 goes into the correct HDMI-out mode including the (stock) homescreen to be usable in landscape mode - that is not a problem. Probably the 1080p30Hz mode is not well understood by the Lapdock and/or the adapter does not correctly "negotiate" the right resolution-/display ratio with the display or the quality of the sync signal from the adapter is really bad. That chinese adapter is not too bad for Full-HD TV sets but unusable for anything else. I did not try the official one. The Lapdock works however well with the dongle.
This info is much appreciated. I took the dive and ordered a lapdock from bensoutlet.com for $50 to play with. The regular one is $60 - but the keyboard that adds Hebrew letters was $10 cheaper. I figure the lettering doesn't hurt anything so I'd rather save the $10.
If anybody figures out how to simplify the connections, or perhaps someday enable MHL out + USB host with this thing - please post back.
Right now - I spent an additional $6 on dealextreme.com to get a microHDMI (female) to HDMI male adapter, and a micro usb female to male adapter so I can try to use the keyboard.
The result is going to be pretty cluttered, but I figure $50 is cheap for a portable, self powered HDMI monitor that could also power stuff from it's ports.
teshgnex said:
The next two wiring diagrams are what I'd expect to do as i finalize what the connection should/could look like...
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Your drawing No 1 is what I use (see below). No 2 is how it should be indeed (but where is the "modded cable" coming from?). While No 3 will not help you since only the presence of a shortened HDMI-CEC pin (+ opening the display a bit) will power ALL the USB-ports including U1+U2 (that activity mode of the Lapdock is indicated by a small white LED next to the touchpad) - so there is no "pre-power" available. But (again) anything that provides that ground contact on the HDMI-plug will do the trick... I actually have one 90degree HDMI-adapter (don't know how to call it in English), which does exactly that and shortens those pin(s) and simulates to the Lapdock the presence of a device (I assume that is NOT on purpose but it works with a second, identical adapter as well). Don't take me wrong you do not need that one if you conect a device (any) directly to the microHDMI-to-HDMI adapter but it is needed when you use HDMI extension cables (etc.) that do not pass all wires to the HDMI device.
I attached some pics how I wire that thing. Pic 1: the micro HDMI plug on the Lapdock is turned by me by 180deg just to make a bit more room for the microHDMI(fem)toHDMI(male)-adapter. You may directly attach the dongle to it (it is relatively stable and easy to carry around - pic 2). That's what one could call "entertainment mode" since you may want to watch videos etc. this way. But than you have not enough space for the microUSB-cable for kb/mouse. That is what I use the 90deg-adapter for. This adapter alone signals already the Lapdock to power up (no other HDMI-cable or adapter I own does this). Back to pic 1: The microUSB(fem)-to-microUSB(male)-cable has the red 5V wire cut. The microUSB-to-USB + USB-microUSB-OTG(!) adapter is there only to signal the OTG-host mode for the S3. The stuff on the right are things you may use on the free USB-port.
That strange device with the mobile speaker attached to its headphone jack has to be explained: it is a (5 Euro) "USB sound card". That is a bit odd... the Lapdock has stereo speakers which are working well (but not great) and the audio-output via HDMI(cast) to the Lapdock works perfectly (sound is ok and in sync when watching videos & you can control volume etc. from the S3 or the Lapdock keyboard) but the allshare cast SW on the S3 does not allow you to plug in a headphone or connect a bluetooth audio-device to the S3 for output of the video(!)-sound. You can use headphones for mp3-player music while using an HDMI display etc. but when you switch on a video you have to remove headphones otherwise the allshare connection stops. There might be two reasons 1: HDCP, 2: there is a small lag in video display from the wireless transfer protocol and the audio stream is equally lagged on purpose to be well in sync with the video stream. You may want to bypass that artificial restriction because the Lapdock has NO headphone jack ... and you can by using such a "soundcard" which is fully supported by the S3 but the sound is then indeed a bit "in advance" of the video stream.
Less exotic devices you can attach are external disks/pen drives or even game controllers (all of them work)... Pic 3 shows you how I wire it for "productivity mode"
P0ll0L0c0 said:
This info is much appreciated. I took the dive and ordered a lapdock from bensoutlet.com for $50 to play with.
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Thank you. 50$ ! When they are as cheap go and get some (or better get many)! The Lapdock is really, really useful and works with many devices.
I originally bought it for the Raspberry Pi but I use it as well with an Archos A80G9 android tablet (not so often since the tablet is big enough anyhow) which has seperated (mini)HDMI and USB-OTG connectors (as it should have been done for all mobile devices including the S3) and used it for my "old" Nokia N8 (miniHDMI as well). In that case USB-OTG does not work since the N8 does not support USB hubs but you can chrge it and watch movies on the Lapdock display with it (in the train ...). The RasPi is powered via the same cable that is used for kb/mouse. In that cable I did obviously not cut the 5V wire. The power the Lapdock provides this way is sufficient to operate the RasPi (+ wifi dongle) ... about 1A is needed for that. So it should be possible to use that power via that OTG microUSB port for the S3 as well ...
What abot the EDD-S20E dock won´t that work with the lapdock ???
Problem is the dock is useless for my next device in 2 - 3 Years....
The allshare cast dongle might stay usefull even with the next gen of android phones....
Hey Guys,
I just found this cool Accessory at Best Buy its the Micro USB/USB Connector Model: EPL-AU10WEGXAR. Like many of you I wanted the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 to be a full fledge Computer with its super fast processor and Multi-Task capabilities. The way I have mine set up is as so. I bought the Moko Leather Case from Amazon flipped it around since don't really use the camera plug the Micro USB and then at the end is a Female USB that I use to plug in my mouse. I bought a HP Keyboard that I assume was meant for some windows device but I truly only got it because of the size. Like me I most of you guys know the struggle of not being able to find any accessories. The Adapter was only $20. Now I know we all could prefer the Samsung Media Dock with the 3 USBs PLUS charging to work but for now this a inexpensive workaround. Wired Mice are like $5, Bluetooth Keyboards go as cheap as $20 on Amazon, and the Adapter is only $20. So There you have $55 for the hardware not including the case. Im sure theres plenty of cheap options for cases. If you guys have any Questions feel free to ask.
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Hey Guys,
I just found this cool Accessory at Best Buy its the Micro USB/USB Connector Model: EPL-AU10WEGXAR. Like many of you I wanted the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 to be a full fledge Computer with its super fast processor and Multi-Task capabilities. The way I have mine set up is as so. I bought the Moko Leather Case from Amazon flipped it around since don't really use the camera plug the Micro USB and then at the end is a Female USB that I use to plug in my mouse. I bought a HP Keyboard that I assume was meant for some windows device but I truly only got it because of the size. Like me I most of you guys know the struggle of not being able to find any accessories. The Adapter was only $20. Now I know we all could prefer the Samsung Media Dock with the 3 USBs PLUS charging to work but for now this a inexpensive workaround. Wired Mice are like $5, Bluetooth Keyboards go as cheap as $20 on Amazon, and the Adapter is only $20. So There you have $55 for the hardware not including the case. Im sure theres plenty of cheap options for cases. If you guys have any Questions feel free to ask.
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Let's see some pics of the setup.