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I've just found this article, and was not happy to read it:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/confirmed-marketplace-will-be-the-only-way-to-get-apps-on-windo/
This left me very disappointed
Given that we pretty much knew that WP7 wasn't going to be backward compatible software-wise, this one is not that big of a deal. You wouldn't be able to run the old apps anyway. By forcing apps through the marketplace, Microsoft does a clean cut from the old and ugly apps.
What's this got to do with old apps? If you want to install a hack you first need to submit it to Marketplace? Oh! I forgot there's no hacks on WP7....
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What's this got to do with old apps? If you want to install a hack you first need to submit it to Marketplace? Oh! I forgot there's no hacks on WP7....
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You will still be able to load apps on to the device from Visual Studios. It will just require giving out the source to do it. So hacks and such that people don't want to go through marketplace will be able to distribute there code as long as they don't care that everyone will beable to see the source.
Update: Microsoft wanted us to clarify that enterprise customers will be able to deploy apps to employees outside the consumer-facing Marketplace -- details on that will be released in the future.
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Hmmmm. Interesting. Sounds like something that might be exploited by a jail-break procedure.
I think you just have to accept that WP7 never will be "hacker friendly". I'm starting to wonder if there would have been less whining over the WP7 platform if they'd branded it something completely different, like "Splonge" or "Zaarkoft", since its got virtually nothing to do with WP6.5. The community's expectations would maybe been more realistic.
What's sad is of course that the 6.5 series probably won't be developed further and few or no new devices with better hardware will come with 6.5 (or 6.6 or whatver), but I guess there always is ... Android? Or Openmoko or whatever it's called.
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Hmmmm. Interesting. Sounds like something that might be exploited by a jail-break procedure.
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I like this, hopefully we can get ahold of it and exploit it to it's fullest potential.
Idiocracy of the Mobile World
It seems everything is so dumbed these days...making things is a easier to do is fine but damn. For me I hear windows mobile I think mini pc but now it seems things as a whole are headed towards playskool sh!+ for adults. I blame newbies that dont/cant read manuals & use commn sense (u won a lottery u neva heard & u paying money to receive the winnings lol). I also blame the pos companies/people that push malware/spyware/phishing. Windows customization is gift for the tech savy but a curse for impatient eye candy lovers.
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By forcing apps through the marketplace, Microsoft does a clean cut from the old and ugly apps.
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As I see the Marketplace evolving I must state I've never seen so many new and ugly $1-apps. I'd better pay $20 for a well-designed with great UI and functionality or donate something to a as great freeware app than sponsor those marketplace whores that even don't offer a trial.
This is bad for small time developers, people like me (I'm a computer science student) who would never be able to pay the fees to put an app on the market.
At least with Android I can distribute APKs how I like and people can download and install.
Nilzor said:
Given that we pretty much knew that WP7 wasn't going to be backward compatible software-wise, this one is not that big of a deal. You wouldn't be able to run the old apps anyway. By forcing apps through the marketplace, Microsoft does a clean cut from the old and ugly apps.
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I'm not sure what your logic is here. There's no reason to want sideloading unless you want to sideload winmo6 apps?
How about wanting to sideload applications MS doesn't want to compete with or otherwise decides is unsuitable for my delicate sensibilities? How about wanting to sideload content made by indies that can't afford MS's regulatory scheme? How about wanting to sideload content so I can get it direct from my friendly neighborhood developer, with all the incumbent benefits and freedoms thereof instead of submitting myself to the whims of a markplace's DRM mechanisms?
Of course, I'm not exactly blown away by the news. Anyone with half a brain knew once the Zunies were in charge of WinMo this was the inevitable result.
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This is bad for small time developers, people like me (I'm a computer science student) who would never be able to pay the fees to put an app on the market.
At least with Android I can distribute APKs how I like and people can download and install.
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Students can get the fee waived with dreamspark. All you have to do is verify with your school e-mail. I've already done it.
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I've just found this article, and was not happy to read it:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/confirmed-marketplace-will-be-the-only-way-to-get-apps-on-windo/
This left me very disappointed
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I think we have another way...
quote:
Update: Microsoft wanted us to clarify that enterprise customers will be able to deploy apps to employees outside the consumer-facing Marketplace -- details on that will be released in the future.
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This is bad for small time developers, people like me (I'm a computer science student) who would never be able to pay the fees to put an app on the market.
At least with Android I can distribute APKs how I like and people can download and install.
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Ummm, if you're a student u get a free annual subscription. it's annual, Google has it too, but its $25 bucks to sign up while this is $99 like Apple's. If you can't afford $99 a year, you should probably get a job...
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Ummm, if you're a student u get a free annual subscription. it's annual, Google has it too, but its $25 bucks to sign up while this is $99 like Apple's. If you can't afford $99 a year, you should probably get a job...
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any student or do you have to be in that field?? cuz im just taking my basic ed classes so would i qualify?
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I'm not sure what your logic is here. There's no reason to want sideloading unless you want to sideload winmo6 apps?
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Flawed, I know. But I mean, we know up-front that we cannot sideload WP7 apps so It's not like we've been held in the dark here and wasted thousands of hours developing WP7 apps in the belief that we can sideload and distribute the old way. For those of us that still want a "hacker friendly" phone, we still got WP6.5 and competing platforms.
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any student or do you have to be in that field?? cuz im just taking my basic ed classes so would i qualify?
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Any University student (if your University isn't on the Dreamspark list, contact Microsoft)
Highschool students are also eligible (but they require their school to sign up on their behalf)
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Any University student (if your University isn't on the Dreamspark list, contact Microsoft)
Highschool students are also eligible (but they require their school to sign up on their behalf)
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thanks to bad im in community college, but my girl goes to sdsu so maybe i can get it in her name
nvm my school is on the list
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Flawed, I know. But I mean, we know up-front that we cannot sideload WP7 apps so It's not like we've been held in the dark here and wasted thousands of hours developing WP7 apps in the belief that we can sideload and distribute the old way. For those of us that still want a "hacker friendly" phone, we still got WP6.5 and competing platforms.
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I agree, that's a valid point. I don't even think we were in the dark from the first day of WP7s' introduction, before this little confirmation. The moment they sent their hipster zunies out to explain how great it was, at least half of us knew they were using Apple's playbook.
I began to come to terms with migrating to android on day 1, and the stench of betrayal has mostly passed on.
Update: Microsoft wanted us to clarify that enterprise customers will be able to deploy apps to employees outside the consumer-facing Marketplace -- details on that will be released in the future.
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There Will be alternate ways to load apps onto the device, gotten from an updated version of the same article.
Just got this via twitter:
http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-...itterwp&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitter
Microsoft and the ChevronWP7 unlock team are teaming up to produce a low-cost developer unlock tool.
The tool will make Windows Phone development more accessible and allow developers to avoid the typical $99 per year cost of becoming a full Windows Phone developer. “The service will require a small fee to offset costs,” says ChevronWP7. “We assure you it will be more affordable than the App Hub.” ChevronWP7 recommends that those who wish to write and publish apps immediately should sign up to the App Hub.
“One of our goals was to make Windows Phone development more accessible,” said a statement from ChevronWP7 on Friday. “Plans have recently solidified and we can now reveal a solution we’ve been working on.” The developers didn’t release too many details on the unlock tool but it’s thought that the tool will simply allow developers to unlock their devices and experiment with applications before signing up to publish apps. ChevronWP7 has launched a “labs” section on its website, where it promises more information soon.
Microsoft originally blocked the ChevronWP7 application that unlocks Windows Phone 7 devices for homebrew third-party applications. Microsoft representatives met with Rafael Rivera and Long Zheng of the ChevronWP7 team earlier this year to discuss the tool and Microsoft’s plans to support homebrew applications on Windows Phone 7. ChevronWP7 famously released their Windows Phone 7 “unlock” tool in late Novermber that allowed owners to side load home-brew applications. The tool, named ChevronWP7, used a method to trick the OS into registering itself as a Windows Phone 7 developer device with the application rather than Microsoft directly. Microsoft normally charges $99 a year for the privilege of loading developer applications. ChevronWP7 pulled the tool at Microsoft’s request just two weeks after it was originally released. It was later revealed that Windows Phone 7 devices “phone home” after around two weeks to re-lock unofficial developer devices, rendering the tool useless.
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Watch this site for more info:
http://labs.chevronwp7.com/
but the closed hole of chevron after two weeks wasn't "microsoft" per se, only till nodo did microsoft completely close the hole. Even the chevron group publicly said that...
otherwise I would be eager to try it if I didn't have a student account but 3 xaps is horrid
Why are you complaing? Its good thing microsidt are with them.
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Why are you complaing? Its good thing microsidt are with them.
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no one is complaining...
If your previous post wasn't a complaint, then I'm afraid I don't understand what you were trying to say.
An officially approved, permanent unlocking solution is coming very soon. The ChevronWP7 team has already confirmed that it won't be done through the App Hub (so it won't expire in a year), and the one-time small fee will go to the Chevron team, not Microsoft, and is only being charged to cover their hard work over the past several months. They did the work, not Microsoft.
The only thing this solution won't do is allow someone to publish to the Marketplace. That will still require a paid (or student) developer license.
I think its great that MS is supporting this and look forward to kicking a few nickels over to the Chevron team for their work.
I am impressed by MS and how cool they have become.
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Hey Guys,
my guess is, ms turned chevron to go white hat because they try to gain momentum in the app market and therefore have to present an appealing platform for devs by keeping piracy in check and making sure those pale, hardworking guys get their bucks rolling. As far as I understand, chevrons new and official unlocker will be a paid app to drag even those devs into the boat, which are unable or unwilled to pay for a ms dev account while on the other side keeping in check, that this solution wont be a backdoor to sideload pirated apps from the market. This approach would take some amount of security integration and maybe some new kind of app-drm or how ever you may call it. Till now this is mere speculation and just my two cents to the topic
Paid unlock feels totally wrong. Especially if it's just an unlock, without a service like Cydia. I personally don't mind paying for software and services, and it's not the $99 price tag that's stopping me from going the official route, but the paperwork hassle.
But requiring payment for jailbreaking is totally unacceptable, IMO.
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If your previous post wasn't a complaint, then I'm afraid I don't understand what you were trying to say.
An officially approved, permanent unlocking solution is coming very soon. The ChevronWP7 team has already confirmed that it won't be done through the App Hub (so it won't expire in a year), and the one-time small fee will go to the Chevron team, not Microsoft, and is only being charged to cover their hard work over the past several months. They did the work, not Microsoft.
The only thing this solution won't do is allow someone to publish to the Marketplace. That will still require a paid (or student) developer license.
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1. correction of the article which noted microsoft closed the hole 2 weeks later. They didn't until nodo [edit whoopsie misread that one]
2. I said openly I was intrigued by the idea, and even if I have a student account I'm still intrigued
With this I will can use File Manager with full access (more than documents, windows folders) for LG Optimus 7?
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With this I will can use File Manager with full access (more than documents, windows folders) for LG Optimus 7?
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I doubt it
what does evry1 here think they will charge? coz $1 to $98 is a huge range.
i would be more than happy to pay a one off fee of no more than £10.....
but then again if its a one off fee and the unlock is perpetual through all updates
i may pay a bit more..
ps. happy fathers day to all the dads
yeah but don't you have to pay to jailbreak now? IMO it's not worth it. i was hoping this would allow custom UI's and such but it just seems micro$oft found yet another way to milk the cash cow.
Great news!
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fixxxer2008 said:
yeah but don't you have to pay to jailbreak now? IMO it's not worth it. i was hoping this would allow custom UI's and such but it just seems micro$oft found yet another way to milk the cash cow.
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You should have read the thread completely. It's not Microsoft that charges the users for the tool, but the Chevron team.
I for one consider it a great possibility to pay a one time fee and then be able to write applications for my device and use them on it.
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You should have read the thread completely. It's not Microsoft that charges the users for the tool, but the Chevron team.
I for one consider it a great possibility to pay a one time fee and then be able to write applications for my device and use them on it.
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I know. That's exactly what I've been trying to tell people, but everyone around here seems so eager to jump on the extremely misguided "I've been betrayed! They're thieves!" train. I could go on about that particular topic, but what's the point. Let the bitter people enjoy their bitterness.
I'll gladly pay the one-time small fee (I think the Chevron team more than deserves it), and then I'll have a permanently unlocked phone. Even after Mango is released. Even if I have to hard reset some time in the future.
Thank You.
Thank you MS and the Chevron team for coming up with this solution. Good for you Microsoft.
sounds good but...
http://www.withinwindows.com/2011/06/20/short-windows-phone-mango-blocks-interop-services-apps/
I read this the other night and I would like to know what effect this will have on apps sideloaded with Chevronlabs.
It will most likely affect them in the exact same way it affects official app hub developer unlocked phones.
From everything they have told us so far, phones unlocked with the new Chevron service will behave exactly the same as app hub unlocked phones. The only difference will be that you won't be able to submit apps to the marketplace.
So, whatever works on an app hub unlocked phone will work on a Chevron unlocked phone, and anything that doesn't work on one, won't work on the other.
I've recently sideloaded kinectimals the sims 3 and PES2011. As i played those games i earned arcievements but only on DFT ROM 7720 v2.
Did somebody else had with these games Xbox live arcivements ?
You can look at my xbl account: joseastrada999
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tessut
Are you sure? this is great!))
Stop piracy!!!!
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nanoware said:
Stop piracy!!!!
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why are you saying that ?
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tessut
Are you sure? this is great!))
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try it out but do not post any xap's here in the forum !
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why are you saying that ?
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Sideloading a game sounds like the game is being pirated. There is no supported method to buy a game then sideload it in the WP7 marketplace.
The only way that this is possably legal is if the OP paid for the game, then sideloaded it but, even then it's questionable.
As I am wondering how this works, it's stil a questionable in a legal aspect, so I will not continue the discussion.
Personally, this promotes piracy (with the DFT rom you can still get achivements off downloaded Xbox live games) and this thread should be closed...if not deleted.
DavidinCT said:
Sideloading a game sounds like the game is being pirated. There is no supported method to buy a game then sideload it in the WP7 marketplace.
The only way that this is possably legal is if the OP paid for the game, then sideloaded it but, even then it's questionable.
As I am wondering how this works, it's stil a questionable in a legal aspect, so I will not continue the discussion.
Personally, this promotes piracy (with the DFT rom you can still get achivements off downloaded Xbox live games) and this thread should be closed...if not deleted.
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+1. Honestly, I can't comprehend why people - running a round with a device worth a couple of a hundred dollars - refuse to pay 2 or 3 dollars for a game or app. That's just weak.
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+1. Honestly, I can't comprehend why people - running a round with a device worth a couple of a hundred dollars - refuse to pay 2 or 3 dollars for a game or app. That's just weak.
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ok i agree with you but if you paid a game and on the other account you did'nt buy it idont think that you will buy a game twice ?
I use DFT V1, installed DFT V2 and now i am using ansar mango rom as for now but i need more time i like more ansar mango roms since in the about and on screens looks more like the original rom
In before the close. yea sounds like those games were pirated to me. while i do agree with buying games i do not like to buy apps because something better will always come along AND it might get baked into future updates.
JustinTV773 said:
In before the close. yea sounds like those games were pirated to me. while i do agree with buying games i do not like to buy apps because something better will always come along AND it might get baked into future updates.
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And that makes it okay? Gtfoh, these developers bust their asses to deliver great products to us, and some of you guys believe the world should be free. It must be nice envisioning a communist society, some of you even live in one. But, considering I'm not a communist or socialist, I think the arguments to support piracy on this forum are ridiculous. I really hope those new encryption updates by Microsoft stop this BS and ban anybody's gamertag who used a stolen game.
FiyaFleye said:
And that makes it okay? Gtfoh, these developers bust their asses to deliver great products to us, and some of you guys believe the world should be free. It must be nice envisioning a communist society, some of you even live in one. But, considering I'm not a communist or socialist, I think the arguments to support piracy on this forum are ridiculous. I really hope those new encryption updates by Microsoft stop this BS and ban anybody's gamertag who used a stolen game.
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no it's not ok but if microsoft would add a better payment system there were more app/game buyers on the Windows Phone Marketplace or how do you think ?
the games played on mango ssonic , bunker buster, armor voley , attack from the dead, alpha strike .....
tessut said:
no it's not ok but if microsoft would add a better payment system there were more app/game buyers on the Windows Phone Marketplace or how do you think ?
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In fact, the payment system records what games you have bought all through. Once you would like to install it again (on same Live account), they will ask you if you would like to installed it again now as you have already paid for that.
I haven't met the double payment for the same app so far.
Even pressing "buy" still doesn't mean you have already bought and paid, instead they will ask you if you really want to pay as there is no refund for it. You may have a try.
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no it's not ok but if microsoft would add a better payment system there were more app/game buyers on the Windows Phone Marketplace or how do you think ?
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Payment system works just fine. I've actually uninstalled and installed many apps that I've paid for. Nothing makes stealing okay.
FiyaFleye said:
Payment system works just fine. I've actually uninstalled and installed many apps that I've paid for. Nothing makes stealing okay.
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not everybody have a creditcard i would apriciate it if microsoft would add payment with microsoft points
tessut said:
not everybody have a creditcard i would apriciate it if microsoft would add payment with microsoft points
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That still is not an excuse to pirate. Most banks offer pre-paid creditcard options for this type of stuff.
Now days if you open any checking account (at least in the US) you expect to get a debit card with a Visa/Mastercard logo on it.
As I 100% agree with you, everyone thought, Xbox live=Xbox points before WP7 came out. I would like the option myself but, it should not make you pirate.
If you can afford the collection of phones that you have had or have, I am sure you can afford a $2-5 game or app here and there. If you can not, sell your smart phone and go buy a fip phone. You should not be here in the first place.
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not everybody have a creditcard i would apriciate it if microsoft would add payment with microsoft points
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Look up Virtual/Disposable credit cards, they can be very useful even if you do have a credit card because you can get them for one time uses.
xHausx said:
Look up Virtual/Disposable credit cards, they can be very useful even if you do have a credit card because you can get them for one time uses.
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i just bought a t-mobile Card so i can Pay With my sim Card
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Nokia just gave 25k Lumia 800's to registered developers with them, ordered mine last night. I imagine some of the people here in the running would have been registered?
Nokia Lumia Live ft. deadmau5 lights up London with amazing 4D projection
Tweeqit2 said:
Nokia just gave 25k Lumia 800's to registered developers with them, ordered mine last night. I imagine some of the people here in the running would have been registered?
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This is very intresting! Where can I register to be a Nokia Developer?
I know that the Nokia Lumina 800 & 710 are just 2 of menny great Devices Nokia plans on releseing Running the WP7 OS.
The best devices are yet to come!
I entered 2 of there giveaways on facebook but did'nt win =(
I did'nt know about any developer giveaways. That is realy cool That thay are taking care of there developers like that!
Along with the show in London & all the other promo's Nokia is just amazing
The heck outa me right now! that show in London was Wonderful!
I am no recognised developer hear much like alot of the other developers who have entered the contest but hopefully I will still be consitered.
I can dream another day anyway!
Hopefuly this is a good link to post. just incase you guys missed it.
Enjoy...
Nokia Lumia Live ft. deadmau5 lights up London with amazing 4D projection
http://youtu.be/SX2Gd-kqV5s
Please dont coment on this as I am not trying to derail the thread just wanted to share the Awesomeness!
Where did you see that ?!
ebay
should be chock full of nokias very soon, this is good news for folks looking for a deal !
ohgood said:
should be chock full of nokias very soon, this is good news for folks looking for a deal !
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I've been looking for weeks. I'm ready now.
Guys, if you weren't registered as a Nokia developer before October 26th, forget about it. That is one of the requirements to receive a free phone.
bmstrong said:
I've been looking for weeks. I'm ready now.
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Give it a few days after they're delivered. Devs always sell the freebies after ces/macworld/whatever and enjoy the nice ca$h bonus for christmas or a new phone of their preference.
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Nokia just gave 25k Lumia 800's to registered developers with them, ordered mine last night. I imagine some of the people here in the running would have been registered?
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Im waiting on mines also. I ordered the same day as you and wondering if Nokia changed your shipping status yet?
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Im waiting on mines also. I ordered the same day as you and wondering if Nokia changed your shipping status yet?
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Status is still the same, I sent the DDP an email earlier today so I'll let you know what they say if there has been a delay or something.
Also to those interested in joining their program the link is here: https://www.developer.nokia.com/Developer_Programs/Launchpad.xhtml
As a member of Nokia Developer Launchpad, you will receive additional benefits like:
Early and exclusive access to e.g. technical information and materials on upcoming technologies.
Two free technical support cases pushed to your account when the membership is activated.
Company members have access to the Device Distribution to purchase Nokia devices at discount for development and testing purposes.
Get invited to key regional and global Nokia events and trainings.
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Keep in mind for this specific give away you had to be registered since at least May to be eligible. I personally joined as soon as I saw the announcement MS scooped them up and they were going WP7.
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Give it a few days after they're delivered. Devs always sell the freebies after ces/macworld/whatever and enjoy the nice ca$h bonus for christmas or a new phone of their preference.
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Ready and waiting for some to pop up. Money is just sitting. The trick is to find one for a resonable price.
i have one...
yglup said:
Im waiting on mines also. I ordered the same day as you and wondering if Nokia changed your shipping status yet?
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Got a response from DDP earlier today:
thanks for your email.
Please note the delivery time is estimated to be around two weeks at the moment.
We have huge number of orders to process and this is the time of public holidays too.
Please be patient, you will be notified once the device is ready to dispatch.
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Looks like we wont have to wait much longer than that.
Just a quick word. people that order the free devices are supposed to give it proper use. Specifically, this particular program is aimed at giving Nokia developers the opportunity to migrate of create new apps for Windows Phone.
If you are not interested to keep the device and do just that, then you are basically taking advantage of a situation that can create a precedence to the point that Nokia may stop making such offerings in the future. I'm not an affiliate from Nokia or work for them btw.
The best way to show Nokia that it is good investment to continue to deliver free or discounted devices to developers is to actually do what you have set to do when you pressed the order button.
Also you should check if you are not in violation of your agreement when you ordered the device. I dont have any idea if its allowed or not to resell the device. I would be surprised if it is.
My 2 cents.
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Just a quick word. people that order the free devices are supposed to give it proper use. Specifically, this particular program is aimed at giving Nokia developers the opportunity to migrate of create new apps for Windows Phone.
If you are not interested to keep the device and do just that, then you are basically taking advantage of a situation that can create a precedence to the point that Nokia may stop making such offerings in the future. I'm not an affiliate from Nokia or work for them btw.
The best way to show Nokia that it is good investment to continue to deliver free or discounted devices to developers is to actually do what you have set to do when you pressed the order button.
Also you should check if you are not in violation of your agreement when you ordered the device. I dont have any idea if its allowed or not to resell the device. I would be surprised if it is.
My 2 cents.
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I know people have posted that they want to buy them, I don't know if anyone talked about selling theirs(from the program). I personally am signed up as a developer because I am, and that is just what this phone is going to be used for. I am developing cross-platform applications to broaden my targetable client base so getting a free phone to test on is a god send because I don't actually have the funds to purchase my own.
In any case I do agree with what you said.
joaocardoso said:
Just a quick word. people that order the free devices are supposed to give it proper use. Specifically, this particular program is aimed at giving Nokia developers the opportunity to migrate of create new apps for Windows Phone.
If you are not interested to keep the device and do just that, then you are basically taking advantage of a situation that can create a precedence to the point that Nokia may stop making such offerings in the future. I'm not an affiliate from Nokia or work for them btw.
The best way to show Nokia that it is good investment to continue to deliver free or discounted devices to developers is to actually do what you have set to do when you pressed the order button.
Also you should check if you are not in violation of your agreement when you ordered the device. I dont have any idea if its allowed or not to resell the device. I would be surprised if it is.
My 2 cents.
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When Microsoft handed me and Lumia 800 "for free" they basically wrote on the contract: "loan for 2 years" and that it shall be returned after that which would prevent me from selling it if I ever wanted. Probably something similar for you guys.
Like you said as well; Nokia is showing a lot of good-will and wants to get WP7 off the ground so it would be sad if some of the "devs" would try abusing it.
SvanteH said:
When Microsoft handed me and Lumia 800 "for free" they basically wrote on the contract: "loan for 2 years" and that it shall be returned after that which would prevent me from selling it if I ever wanted. Probably something similar for you guys.
Like you said as well; Nokia is showing a lot of good-will and wants to get WP7 off the ground so it would be sad if some of the "devs" would try abusing it.
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Didn't realize nokia had a contract with the devs in order to receive the free phone. Are there NDA's involved too ? Is a credit card involed or is this tied to the devs payout account from the market (app sales) in any way ?
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Didn't realize nokia had a contract with the devs in order to receive the free phone. Are there NDA's involved too ? Is a credit card involed or is this tied to the devs payout account from the market (app sales) in any way ?
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Honestly I have no clue, I got my phone through a Microsoft programme as part of a deal that whomever managed to get 3 certified apps on the market within a month were to recieve a new Lumia 800. I had to sign a 2-paged contract and the relevant point in it was that you "borrowed it" and wasn't allowed to sell it on.
Nokia might want to protect themselves as well and not just giving out free money to some people, one way is to have a contract that screws over any dev if they sell it.
Just a quick reminder to everyone, any transactions that take place through XDA must happen in the Marketplace forum in a Public thread. This is one thing that is strictly enforced and is for the protection of both parties, as well as XDA.
Please read the Marketplace Rules and then check out the XDA Marketplace if you are looking to buy or sell a device.
Has anyone else that was in on this gotten theirs shipped yet? It's been a little over 2 weeks since they told me 2 weeks but still sitting at 'new order'.
Looks like I spoke too soon! just got my shipping notification, its being sent from TURKU - FINLAND. On another note I looked over the agreement for getting the phone and it looks as if it is treated just as I purchased the phone myself so resale is ok, I still however plan to use the phone for dev.
http://wmpoweruser.com/chevronwp7-shuts-down-handsets-to-be-re-locked-in-120-days/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1598050
What the hell man, this is just crazy what is Microsoft thinking? This will only drive more people away from the platform and will keep phone sales at the rate they are now or lower. Who in the world wants to pay $99 a year just to be able to customize a phone? I personally do currently pay the $99 but will stop soon this is just a death sentence for Windows phone, really someone over at MS gets fired over this.
do you realize that most people would not care about these stuff, and we only nerds that like to hack our phones will matter. Maybe microsoft has something better in store? possibly in apollo we will get sideloading capabilities and other power user functions.
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do you realize that most people would not care about these stuff, and we only nerds that like to hack our phones will matter. Maybe microsoft has something better in store? possibly in apollo we will get sideloading capabilities and other power user functions.
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I sure hope you are right my friend. Maybe Apollo won't have all this Apple style locked down crap.
what it means, in practice?
In practice, what this means for me?
I've a Samsung WP unlocked by Chevron. So, I've installed Nokia Drive, Nokia Maps... this means that after the 120 days, theses apps won't work in my phone?
So basically MS and the Chevron team just ripped off everyone that went and bought a token? I thought the token was forever, was there ever any metntion that it would expire in the future? if not this sounds like a scam, well for those who paid. I see a law suit.
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What the hell man, this is just crazy what is Microsoft thinking? This will only drive more people away from the platform and will keep phone sales at the rate they are now or lower. Who in the world wants to pay $99 a year just to be able to customize a phone? I personally do currently pay the $99 but will stop soon this is just a death sentence for Windows phone, really someone over at MS gets fired over this.
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seen the latest articles about lumia sales lately? I'll assume not since you insisted on posting this.
Side loaded apps
Like most people, I just want to know if apps already side loaded will continue to work after the tokens are revoked? If they do work, it may be possible to keep it unlocked through a Registry Editor, Root Tools etc.
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So basically MS and the Chevron team just ripped off everyone that went and bought a token? I thought the token was forever, was there ever any metntion that it would expire in the future? if not this sounds like a scam, well for those who paid. I see a law suit.
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I don't see any law suits as Microsoft as offered to refund $99 and swap Chevron unlock for App Hub Developer unlock.
However, interesting thing would be how many $9 unlocks are from non-supported countries!?
Surely out of 10,000 there are at least 100 people who paid $9 and don't have access to App Hub - those can go for a law suit unless Microsoft is going to make up for it in any other fashion in a separate announcement.
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So basically MS and the Chevron team just ripped off everyone that went and bought a token? I thought the token was forever, was there ever any metntion that it would expire in the future? if not this sounds like a scam, well for those who paid. I see a law suit.
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Yeah, I'm pissed that I was only renting the unlocker....this was definitely a hose job....these dudes are re-locking already paid for phones.
Side-loaded apps will probably cease to work, just as they do if you were to relock your device now.
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In practice, what this means for me?
I've a Samsung WP unlocked by Chevron. So, I've installed Nokia Drive, Nokia Maps... this means that after the 120 days, theses apps won't work in my phone?
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Yes, probably lol.
Pathetic.
MSFT is giving away free APP HUB accounts for these users. Is no one else reading it?
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....the app hub is yearly, so we got a year long account for $9...what was I complaining about
/sarcasm.
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In practice, what this means for me?
I've a Samsung WP unlocked by Chevron. So, I've installed Nokia Drive, Nokia Maps... this means that after the 120 days, theses apps won't work in my phone?
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You're one of the people who make me disgusted at this community. Nokia apps (and other OEM apps) are device specific. You need to buy those devices to get those apps, as those apps on other devices is called stealing. Yet, this entire community insists they are entitled to things they have never paid for... Most of you don't want these accounts to "develop" or contribute, you want these accounts to sideload apps you have no way of paying for/getting.
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You're one of the people who make me disgusted at this community. Nokia apps (and other OEM apps) are device specific. You need to buy those devices to get those apps, as those apps on other devices is called stealing. Yet, this entire community insists they are entitled to things they have never paid for... Most of you don't want these accounts to "develop" or contribute, you want these accounts to sideload apps you have no way of paying for/getting.
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My point! Thanks!! Hence $9 for whatever time it was unlocked for + a year of sideloading stuff (not developing anything) - more than enough!
I don't mind the side loading. I mind the people coming in here to ***** about not having any way to load stolen software into their phone... Its just pathetic. I would understand if you're developing your ass off, but you're stealing... C'mon...
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i did the chevron unlock than used the interlop unlock will i be affected ?
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You're one of the people who make me disgusted at this community. Nokia apps (and other OEM apps) are device specific. You need to buy those devices to get those apps, as those apps on other devices is called stealing. Yet, this entire community insists they are entitled to things they have never paid for... Most of you don't want these accounts to "develop" or contribute, you want these accounts to sideload apps you have no way of paying for/getting.
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I could be wrong, but didn't Nokia release these apps in the earlier versions for other non-Nokia devices? Of course (now) Nokia is claiming that their updated apps will be only for Nokia devices. Not condoning piracy here, but I don't see a problem with side loading device specific apps on other Windows Phones. These apps are free to the the users anyway right? -Well most of them... As we all know, each manufacturer has its own collection of apps for their devices. -And we can all agree there are apps that are better than others in each manufacturer app store. If the apps are free, I find it a little ridiculous to say that Windows Phone users would have to go and buy a certain WP just to be able to use a device for a specific free app on their phone. -Now if each manufacturer released their apps to EVERY WP device with the apps being free for that specific device and had a paid version for non-specific devices, my argument would be irrelevant here. -But we know this is not the case.
Anyway, yes I do agree somewhat that some users want their phones dev unlocked just to sideload apps that they themselves didn't develop or buy, but I have to say that I believe some/most members here on XDA contribute to some form or fashion to the development/modding/hacking phone world. I myself became a Windows Mobile/Phone developer because I was amazed at what I could do with my phone when I first started getting into flashing roms for Windows Mobile. I kept on coming back to this forum to see what I could do next with my phone. I finally realized that I couldn't wait for the next thing to come out for my phone, so I started learning the development side of the phone. As the years kept rolling on, I became very familiar with the development process and even made quite a bit of money on my apps. -So the point is, calling people out on wanting the dev unlocks just to sideload restricted apps on their phones is sort of unfair. You and I do not know the motives of the other users on this forum.